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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: g.clarke4 on Wednesday 12 March 08 11:11 GMT (UK)
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Good morning,
I wonder if anyone can help me with the mother of Susanna(h) or Susan Ashdown, born circa 1841, brother Lewis (born circa 1834). She was living with her Grandparents William and Susanna (nee BEANY) at the time of the 1851 census but I can find no trace of either of her parents.
Many thanks
Graham
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There is this family in 1841:-
W Ashdown, 56, Blacksmith, Y
Susan Ashdown, 60, Y
Susan Ashdown, 25, Y
Mary Ann Ashdown, 20, Y
Lewis Ashdown, 8, Y
Living in Chapel Street, Hythe, Kent
HO107/478/6/4
Sue
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Hello Sue,
Many thanks for your reply. I have looked at this family but not with the detail you have found. It certainly looks like the group. Do you have any indication whether the 25 year old Susan is widowed or not married?
Graham
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Sorry Graham but that sort of info is not given on the 1841 census, nor are the relationships stated unfortunately :(
Sue
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snap Sue (although its taken me a lttle longer to find!)
Graham if you get one of the childrens marriage certs it will tell you the fathers name providing the child is not illegitimate.
a birth cert will obviously tell you both parents names again if the child is not illegitimate although some are listed on an illegitmate childs birth certs, there was nothing prior to 1875 from anyone just saying so and so is the father and thus being named on the birth cert.
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Many thanks Toni.
Graham
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1851 HO107 1633 581 30
only William, Lewis & Susannah on here :-\
Grandfather, Grandson Grand dau.
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Hi again Toni,
Yes I found the 1851 details. Interesting that both daughters and grandchildren have the Ashdown surname.
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i was looking as i have both Beany's (and variants) and Ashdowns in my tree
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Hi Sue, many thanks for looking. Graham
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Hi Toni,
I am fairly sure that the grandparents William Ashdown and Susannah nee Beany are mine. THey appear to have married at Icklesham in 1805 which is where many of my Clark ancestors lived. I have looked up the birth cert info on ancestry.com for Susanna born circa 1841 but can only find one born in Maidstone, Kent. ALthough this is the next county its is not yet too convincing! Do any of your Ashdowns/Beanys come from that area?
Graham
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my Ashdown / Beany's all originate (so far) in Sussex
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Oh well back to the drawingboard! Many thanks for your time Toni and Sue, if I get any further I'll keep you posted.
Graham
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Hello Graham and all
You may want to look at the actual 1851 image yourself; it doesn't say that the Susanna listed is William's grand-daughter, it says William is still married and Susanna is his wife, born Hastings! The age could be 10 or 70. I suppose it is possible that the census taker combined two lines when transferring the information from the original census papers (which were all destroyed), or that this is all that were in the household.
If you PM me (there's a button in this reply that says something like "send this person a personal message" with your e-mail address then I can send you the image; we can't do it directly through Rootschat. DON'T put your e-mail address on this board!
Kind regards
Gaie
No, got that wrong, it's the green scroll thing to the left of the posting
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Hello
There is a birth for a Susan Ashdown, June Qtr 1843, Lewes 7 372.
Kind regards
Gaie
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Hello Gaie,
Will try to answer your question about Susanna and get back to you later. Have to go off line for a while.
Graham
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Ok!
For the benefit of other Rootschatters I asked Graham why he thought a Susan/Susanna Ashdown was this William and Susanna's grand-daughter.
Kind regards
Gaie
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i think its cos the image doeslook as though she is 10 but as you said eariler it could well be 70 , she is certainly listed prior to lewis who is the grandon
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Yes, you'd expect a younger Susan(na) to be listed after Lewis. What's more to the point is that the Susanna is listed as wife, and William is listed as married not widowed, so unless Grandma Susanna was in another household that night....
Kind regards
Gaie
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Gaie, I have checked my sources and cannot find my original data which pointed to this family. Having checked the 1861 census I find Susan Wood nee Ashdown visiting her family which is a quite different bunch!! I kn ow my Susan(na) married Chrisopher George Wood and her age in the 1861 census matches so it looks as though I have some re-thinking to do. Sorry if I have wasted all your time but thank you for asking the obvious question.
Graham
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No, you haven't wasted anyone's time at all, you've tested out your information! This is what this site is about. And no-one has to look anything up for anyone, it's all voluntary.
In the 1861 where does it say your Susan Wood was born?
Do you have her marriage certificate/parish marriage record to Christopher Wood? Is there a father named on there, and what was his occupation? Every little helps!
Kind regards
Gaie
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I agree Gaie, we do the look-ups because we want to ;D
Sue
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Yes, Sue ;D
But I wanted to post a bit from the census image on here and I still can't do it! :-\
Never, mind, practice makes perfect....
Gaie
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Hello again. You are both very kind.
I am now pursuing Susanna's mother as Ann Ashdown and have checked the 1851 census where I find that susanna is listed as Susanna Carpenter! So another twist! Here her birth place is given as St Mary Magdalene, Hastings.
By co-incidence an elderly uncle has just telephoned and I mentioned the quagmire I had got myself into and her remembers talk of the Ashdown family and of them coming from Kent, although he can't recall where exactly. All grist to the mill I guess!
I am just going to explore the Sussex Marriage Index to see if I can trace the Ashdown/Carpenters.
Thanks again
Graham
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Hello Gaie,
I think I have traced Susanna's mother. :)
I believe she is Ann Wilson who was born at Bexhill in abt 1813 and married William Carpenter at Hollington on 23 August 1831. Ann had 3 children, Henry (abt 1837), Mary (abt 1839 and Susanna (abt 1841). So Susanna's birth name was Carpenter, although she changed it in later years.
William Carpenter died in 1843 and Ann remarried William Ashdown between 1843 and 1851. They had three more children, Alfred (abt 1851), George (abt 1855 and Edward (abt 1857). Phew!!
I guess it is still possible that William Ashdown is the son of William and Susan Beany but I have no corroboration yet.
Sorry to go on a bit but I thought you might find some of it interesting?
Regards
Graham
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Hello Graham
There's this family in the 1841:
HO107 1107 10 28 13
Shepherd Street, Hastings, Sussex
William Carpenter 30 Mariner
Ann 25
William 9
Henry 4
Mary 2
All born county
So, although the 1841 doesn't give relationships, it looks like there's another child to the ones you've already found ie William c 1832. No Susanna, but she probably wasn't born at the time this census was taken.
Kind regards
Gaie
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Possible marriage for William & Ann:
Jun Qtr 1848 Battle 7 407
amongst a host: ::)
William ASHDOWN
Ann CARPENTER
Looks likely...
Kind regards
Gaie
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Hi All
Found these baptisms in the Hastings Registers:
All Saints - 16th April 1834 - John, son of William & Ann Carpenter, All Saints parish, Sailor
St Clements - 15th Oct 1831 - William, son of William & Ann Carpenter, Mariner
Weslyen Methodist - 25th Dec 1841 - Susannah, daughter of William & Ann Carpenter,
It kind of confirms some data for you
Chris in 1066
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Hello Gaie,
Many thanks for the 1841 data and the possible marriage reference. I'll pursue the marriage cert I think as this may give more detail about Ann's parents.
Graham
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Hi Chris,
Many thanks for the Hastings Register data. As you say they confirm and augment some of the information to hand. Very helpful - thanks again.
Regards
Graham