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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: smokeydownunder on Wednesday 12 March 08 07:21 GMT (UK)
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Robert Stewart born 1800 + or - two years at Garth, Perth, as stated in the 1851 census Edinburgh Midlothian. Could some kind person please do a lookup for this man - nothing in the Fische other than lots of 'Robert' & no mention of Garth for Perth. TIA ::)
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Sorry to sound stupid but what exactly would you like looked up?
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Sorry,late at night for me when request sent. :-[
Would like a Birth /Baptism/or Christening for the above gentleman. From the 1851 Edinburgh Census his sons were Robert, Henry, John & Mathew [my direct line], later a daughter called Margaret. As with most family history's the request to Perthshire is a big ???.
Regards & TIA :)
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Hi I'm looking at the Edinburgh Census 1851 and I see Roberts Stewart born 1799 Garth - a railway porter living with his wife Isabella and daughter margaret in Rose St - same person?
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Found same person in 1871 in Fife? Retired railway worker born 1803 Garth.....
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Found in 1861 too - railway porter living with wife and all the kids you mention - in Rose St Edinburgh says he was born 1793 in Gask! Bit of a variation eh? Will see if I can get his dob for you...
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hi all
could be findo gask perthshire
ev
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Hi Ev
I think you're right! Found 2 possibilities - 1798 and 1802 in Findo Gask....
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Ev
not quite the 2 legged kind but still cute
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WOW
Thank you both so much, does it mention his wife Isabella & the daughter Margaret? I also have this family living at Cowgate in Lady Yesters. Can I get really excited yet!!!! :) :) :)
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Argh I have to go to WORK now so can't continue exploring this - which I'd rather do! Will see if I can help further later....
Val
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hi all
could be either one
found on 1841 robert & isabella with a barbara mckay age 14
now on the 1871 census robert is living with a barbara mckay age 43
i think isabela mckenzie ,robert stewart's wife, had barbara c1827
before marrying robert stewart c1830
away to check IGI
ev
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hi
barbara mckay born 19th july 1827 edinburgh parish edinburgh midlothian
parents william mckay & isabella mckenzie
robert stewart & isabella mckinzie married 12th september 1830
edinburgh parish edinburgh mid lothian
1841 census
156 rose street edinburgh st george midlothian
robert stewart 40 chair master(?) born outside census county
isabel stewart 40 born midlothian
mary stewart 9 b. midlothian
margaret stewart 3 b. midlothian
barbara mckay 14 b. midlothian
mary stewart born 18th may 1832 edinburgh parish edinburgh
parents robert stewart & isobella mackenzie
margaret stewart 28th may 1838 edinburgh parish edinburgh
parents robert stewart & isabel mackenzie
ev
ps daughter margaret on 1851 census age 12 180 rose street
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hi
don't think we've got the right one here ???
where are the sons robert henry john & mathew ?
ev
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Hi Ev
My Robert married Isabella KEAY in 1824 Midlothian, I didnt find the rest of the family until I tried to find my Mathew Stewart in the 1841 Census & Births via Scot/People, if this is any help.
I get so frustrated because I am stuck here in Australia with limited & expensive resources & have to rely on great people like yourself & then I dont get all the info correctly for the other people. ::)
SDU
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hi tia
yes not isabella mckenzie :(
i did see isabella keay on the igi
mathew mitchell stewart baptized 30th april 1839 canongate edinburgh
parents robert stewart & isabella keay
ev
ps see them now on 1841
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Hi I'm back!
I see them on the 1841 as well.... have you found the family in 1851?
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In 1851 I have only [so far] found Robert, Isabella & Margaret BUT I did find a Mathew Stewart [right age group], scholar, as a boarder at Bridge End, East Linton[where is East Linton].
As for this Isabella's last name I will assume at this stage that the census taker misheard & wrote ?McKenzie.
I note Margaret is around the same age as Matthew.
Do you know if 'Mathew' is an unusual first name for that time & place, as it has been carried forward to the present day? :)
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Hi Ev & Valr
Just did a search for East Linton re Mathew Stewart b.1839.
Its certainly odd for this young man to be so far from Midlothian at this age.
The Stewart/McKenzie link is certainly confusing. The Mathew Mitchell is my link to the present. I have his OPR record showing Robert & Isabella [Keay] Stewart as parents. No other info.
Robert Stewart has me stumped as does his father-in-law Hugh Keay. ::)
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hi tia
stewart/mckenzie and stewart/keay are two seperate families ,
they are both on the 1841 census so i think we can safely say that
stewart/mckenzie is not your family
this also means that the robert , isabella , and margaret that we found on
the 1851 census are probably not your family if margaret age 12(1851) and
margaret age 3(1841) are the same person
the mathew stewart is a possible(but hard to prove)
http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/frames.htm?shop_id=290&mapAction=gaz&gazName=pc&gazString=EH40+3AJ
i wonder if something happened to robert stewart(senior) and the family broke up ?
the three older sons could have went their own way
what is the family link to australia ?
ev
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Hi Ev
My father arrived here in 1939 with his Grandmother & Uncle [skeleton in the cupboard we found out when he - my dad - died]
Our family -Stewart - has been traced back to the 1860's in Wilton Dean [Hawick] BUT Mathew Mitchell was born in Midlothian to Robert & Isabella [Keay] Stewart.
Another curiosity is that Mathew was not born till 1839 but his parents were married in 1824, this makes me think that the family which includes the boys is the correct family WHICH in turn leaves me still looking for Robert. ::)
Is 'Mathew' an unusual forename?
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hi tia
only 4 mathew stewarts(born 1839 +/- 2years) on 1841 census scotland
although it is sometimes spelt with 2 t's
only one in midlothian one t or two t's
ev
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;D
Totally confused now!
I think Matthew was relatively uncommon back then - certainly this is the firts time I've come across it in Scotland around that time and if you do a search relatively few come up (compared for example to Donald or Robert etc!)
I know its a pain.. but could you possible set out all the info you are entirely sure of with sources etc.. and we can try again? It's bugging me now and I'd like to get to the bottom of it!
Val
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Hi Ev
We'll get this sorted I'm sure but I have to go work again soon so will have to leave it until later....
Do you fancy having a go at my brick wall as well ;D - Donald/Daniel McFarlane - I started a thread about it here.....
Val
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hi valr
matthew mitchell stewart married jane brydon 11th june 1869 wilton
roxburghshire
they had children isabella(1869) jemima(1871) matthew(1873)
they have another daughter on the 1871 census esther(1867)
on the 1871 matthew stewart is age 32 born edinburghshire
tia has obtained his parents names robert stewart & isabella keay and
found them on the 1841 census(as you have seen)
then the family seem to break up/disappear on the 1851
tia found a possible match for matthew on the 1851
now on the 1861 census i've found matthew stuart age 22 born edinburgh
living wilton roxburgh
he's listed as brother but head of household is john rodger ???
maybe another skeleton
ev
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Hi Ev
The Mathew in Wilton is mine.
SDU
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9.45pm I'm off to bed.
Thank you both so much for your help. ;)
SDU
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hi sdu
looks like matthew stewart died 1872 wilton roxburgh
his wife jane listed on 1881 census as general servant
with children esther , jemmima , matthew
on 1891
wilton dean
jane stewart age 49 laundress
jemima stewart age 19 hosiery mender
matthew stewart age 17 wool hosiery warehouseman
matthew stewart marries mary ? 1896 hawick
has robert(b. c1896) , agnes(b. c1898) , matthew(b. c 1900)
possible - jane stewart(nee brydon) b. c 1842 died 1928 hawick
ev
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Hi Ev
Matthew b. 1900 is my GGrandfather as far as I can work out.
SDU
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STEWART
Matthew Stewart [my father]
b. circa 1926 d. 1994
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Thomas Townsend Stewart – Margaret Black Menzies [not married]
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Matthew Stewart - m. 1896 – Mary Scott
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Matthew Mitchell Stewart – m. 1869 – Jane Brydon
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Robert Stewart - m. 1824 - Isabella Keay
Matthew Stewart & Mary Scott – m.1896
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Robert Agnes Matthew Thomas T.
Matthew Mitchell Stewart & Jane Brydon m. 1869
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Esther Brydon Isabella Jemmima Matthew
b. 1867 b. 1869 b. 1872 b. 1873
d. 1872
Robert Stewart m. Isabella Keay 1824
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Mathew
b. 1839
15 year gap from marriage to the birth of Mathew in 1839
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hi sdu
from scotlandspeople
matthew stewart born 1927 hawick roxburghshire
think this could be your father
also thomas townsend stewart born 1906 hawick roxburgh
ev
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Thanks Ev
Have sent a brief set up of the family links, & the 1927 is my dad.
SDU
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Hello, I'm new in town, not use to doing the chatroom thing, I am looking for some help with my "STEWART" line.
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Hi
Most of my 'Stewarts' seem to be Border people from the 1850's onwards. My Perth search was just another stab in the dark at trying to knock my brick wall down.
Will help if I can but a lady called 'Ev', [if we are still lucky enough to have her help] is much, much, much better than I am.
Beth
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Hi, thanks Beth, we are back in the 1400's-1600's, trying to get an answer to names, who they were son and daughter to with dates, got just about everything before Walter Stewart amd Marjorie Bruce, and some coming forward, then a gap to fill down to my line of FREER, just a couple of names to confirm, but finding it hard.
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GOOD LUCK ;)
Beth
beautiful northern NSW
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At least it's a little cooler up there, we are Central west lopes and plains.
stinkin hot at just 40
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Hi Flogged
Were your Scottish Stewarts from Balquhidder and if so which branch of the family? Mine were Gartnafuaran, of the Glen Ogle branch.
Can you give me some names and dates for Scotland and I will cross-ref with my tree?
Cheers
Val
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ps
sorry for hijacking thread!
Will get back on to Garth Stewarts later.....
off to work now!
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Hi Valr, my Stewarts are;
Robert II and Elizabeth Mure of course, then,
Alexander Stewart Lord of Buchan-Lord of Badenoch,
Alexander Stewart Earl of Mar,
have been given;
Stewart of Garth, with David son of
James Stewart of Fincastle, (end at this point coming forward),
then going from now til then it is;
Isabel Stewart married John Blair 8th of Ardblair;
her father said as James Stewart 1st of Ladywell.
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Hi Flagged
Sorry but I'm not following you!
Can you give me some names of your direct ancestors with places and dates of birth in the 19th century (if in Scotland)? If they had emigrated by then can you give me your most recent Scottish ancestor from the 18th century?
I am descended from 3 lines of Stewarts all in Southern Perthshire (where I was born and brought up myself), and so have a big database to check.
Look forward to seeing if you fit in!
val
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Flogged not Flagged,; anyhoo,
all from c1660 to 1900 were FREER, begining with George Freer, ordained minister at Lethendy, married Helen Blair 26 Dec 1699, my line is of 1st son Adam Freer 1704, but going the other way, Helen Blair's father was John Blair 8th of Ardblair, John Blair married Isabel Stewart daughter of James Stewart 1st of Ladywell.
Also given the name of Stewart of Garth,
James Stewart of Fincastle, I have little on dates and location, only names at present, confirmed by Stewart Society and Gordon Macgregor.
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I am very interested in your Margaret Black Menzies. I have one of that name who was born in 1899 to Archibald Black Menzies and Jessie Yuill. Could this be the same person?
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I am very interested in your Margaret Black Menzies. I have one of that name who was born in 1899 to Archibald Black Menzies and Jessie Yuill. Could this be the same person?
Hi, I only have one "Menzies" in my list name of Janet Menzies of early 1500's. Married to James Stewart, down from Robert II King of Scotland.
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First off
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE & ALL FROM AUSTRALIA :-* :D 8)
My late paternal G/mother was Margaret Black Menzies.
Margaret Black Menzies circa 1910
child of Alexander Scott MENZIES & Elspeth Black FAIRBAIRN
Wilton / Hawick
Roxburghshire
Scotland
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Info for flogged
Gordon McGregor's Red Book of Perthshire has all the information you are looking for.You have to pay to download it but it is worth the investment.
My interest is where one of the lines of your family marry in to the Aysouns of Tulliemet :)
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And a joggy golly gosh Merry Xmas at you all from Down Under.
These are the names I have worked out with the "STEWART" line;
Going backward from FREER, BLAIR and into STEWART.
Helln Blair c1680-1751,daughter of John Blair 8th of Ardblair c1650
and Isobel Stewart, daughter of
James STEWART 1st of Ladywell, and Margaret Moncreif,
James is son of;
John STEWART 3rd of Fincastle c1600 & Margaret Cairwood,
John is son of James STEWART 2nd of Fincastle & Unknown,
James is son of;
Robert STEWART 1st of Fincastle & Agnes Gray,
Robert is son of;
John STEWART & Unknown,
John is son of;
David STEWART & Unknown,
David is son of;
James STEWART & Janet Menzies,
James is son of;
Alexander STEWART Earl of Buchan, The Wolf of Badenoch, and
Mairead Ingean Eachann,
Alexander was 4th son of Robert II King of Scotland.
What we have are the names plus most siblings of the people mentioned here,
we would like to try and find at least the year theses were born and a more comfy location rather than just "Scotland", these names and titles were provided by the Stewart Society in Scotlandthe information in the pages sent to me was for particular events and the locations of the events but not for births or deaths.
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Info for flogged
Gordon McGregor's Red Book of Perthshire has all the information you are looking for.You have to pay to download it but it is worth the investment.
My interest is where one of the lines of your family marry in to the Aysouns of Tulliemet :)
Thank you Cambron, yes I have had contact with Gordon but things did not look good at that time to employ him to do the research at that time, things are starting to pick up and I will be in touch with him again soon.
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I will look about for the papers sent from the Stewart Society to see if I can find the clan/clans of the siblings noted in the papers.
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Ah, well, not the same Margaret Black Menzies. Thanks for replying. Meanwhile, Merry Christmas to all from icy, snowy, windy southern Missouri.
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Hi Flagged
Sorry but I'm not following you!
Can you give me some names of your direct ancestors with places and dates of birth in the 19th century (if in Scotland)? If they had emigrated by then can you give me your most recent Scottish ancestor from the 18th century?
I am descended from 3 lines of Stewarts all in Southethern Perthshire (where I was born and brought up myself), and so have a big database to check.
Look forward to seeing if you fit in!
val
Hi everyone, I'm new to this site and just wondered if my ancestor Janet Hutton (nee: Stewart) from Perthshire is related at all to any of your ancestors mentioned in this forum. I also see that ev you have the surname Hutton listed as one of your family names so wondered if linked to my Hutton's ancestors.
All I know is that Peter and Janet (nee: Stewart) Hutton had 3 children who emigrated to Otago, New Zealand from Perthshire, Scotland in 1860's. James (born 1842), my great grand mother Mary (born 1845) and Peter Hutton. Peter Hutton (senior) was a government official in Scotland.
I'd be grateful to hear from anyone who might know more about these Huttons or whether my Janet Stewart is related to any of your Stewart ancestors on this forum. Many thanks Rachel
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Hi rachelnz, I personally have follow backward with a great deal of help from everyone in many sites, therefore one the one line only, I have not looked at branchouts, coming forward from Robert II King of Scotland with his son Alexandra there is very little information with marriages and children, but if you make contact with Gordon MacGregor who has put together the "Red book of Perthshire" he may be able to help, Stewart Society in Scotland can give some help but they also refor to Gordon for help.
He can be found with a simply net search.
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Many thanks flogged, your info and message is much appreciated. Cheers Rachel
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Hi Rachelnz, I have found that with branchouts there is little information held so far as royal ties, only those that where of the main line had stuff kept on record, anything else was done by family if at all. I have had correspondence with Gordon and he is helpful to the best of his ability, he researched all the families of the areas. hence "The Redbook of Perthshire"