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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Banffshire => Topic started by: Rickr on Tuesday 11 March 08 18:40 GMT (UK)
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I have traced my family to John Raeburn of Inverurie who was married in Monymusk in 1850. I can't find details of his birth. Does anyone have any ideas?
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Hi
What was his birthyear from either census info or his marriage cert? Aren't his parents names shown on his marriage certificate?
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Hello Rickr
So, Your John was obviously the one married to Christina Fraser on 12 May 1850 (IGI, 'extracted'). www.familysearch.org
If you've got his marriage -you ? have his death entry with age of death. Whch country did he die in?
The more info you give the more 'lurkers' like me can help.
Regards, Steve :O)
Off to get children in case you don't have them :O)
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From the IGI
Can only find 2?
Both born Inverurie, Aberdeenshire - both 'extracted' - meaning copies can be obtained on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (PPV site)
1. Robert Raeburn b. 23 Nov 1855 - this cert has to be downloaded as it will have unique info on it - being the first year of national registration. Mother is down as 'Christian'.
2. James Raeburn b. 07 Feb 1858
Regards, Steve :O)
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Hi
What was his birthyear from either census info or his marriage cert? Aren't his parents names shown on his marriage certificate?
Hi
His birthdate is given as 1820, but no parents listed.
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Hello Rickr
So, Your John was obviously the one married to Christina Fraser on 12 May 1850 (IGI, 'extracted'). www.familysearch.org
If you've got his marriage -you ? have his death entry with age of death. Whch country did he die in?
The more info you give the more 'lurkers' like me can help.
Regards, Steve :O)
Off to get children in case you don't have them :O)
Hi,
I've got marriage and I've traced children directly to me, but I can't get any further back as I can't find a birth record or parents names.
Thanks for your help so far.
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From the IGI
Can only find 2?
Both born Inverurie, Aberdeenshire - both 'extracted' - meaning copies can be obtained on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (PPV site)
1. Robert Raeburn b. 23 Nov 1855 - this cert has to be downloaded as it will have unique info on it - being the first year of national registration. Mother is down as 'Christian'.
2. James Raeburn b. 07 Feb 1858
Regards, Steve :O)
Thanks Steve, Robert is my g grandfather.
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Hi Rick
You would have probably looked at that birth cert that Steve refers to for Robert b. 1855. Did it show how many children they had following their marriage - alive/deceased. Did it also confirm his age and place of birth? Have you looked at wife Christina's death cert to confirm the names of her parents?
Regards.
Monica
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This looks to be John's 1851 census entry:
John Raeburn 28, innkeeper, b. Chapel, Aberdeen
Christian Raeburn 27, b.Woodside, Aberdeen
Ann Bisset 18, servant
Isabella Chisholm 18, servant
James Cran 26, servant
William Dunbar 58, lodger
Address: Raeburns Inn, Inverurie
And in 1861, everyone showing as born in Inveriny (Inverurie most likely):
John Raeburn 40, spirit dealer
Sarah Raeburn 9
John Raeburn 8
Bertina Raeburn 6
Robert Raeburn 4
James Raeburn 3
Sarah Fraser 26, servant (is this a sister to wife Christina?
Address: Browns Close, Edinburgh High Church
Monica
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Hi,
This is fantastic, I'm very new to this and had not found the census entries. Robert Raeburn was my g grandfather, but I can't get any further back than John. No sign of any birth record that I can find.
Rickr
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Rick
I think at least you might get another bite at the apple in terms of knowing who his parents were. I get the feeling from what I am seeing that Christina Fraser may have died before the 1861 census. There is this entry in 1871, indicating that perhaps John Raeburn may also have died before the 1871 census:
1871:
Elizabeth Coburn (Lawson) 27, head, lodginghouse keeper, b. Greenock Edinburgh
John Raeburn 18, step son, b. Huntly, Aberdeen
Robert Raeburn 16, step son, b. Huntly, Aberdeen
James Raeburn 14, step son, b. Huntly, Aberdeen
Alison Lawson 56, mother, , b. Greenock Edinburgh
John Geddes 31, l odger
John Jamisson 22, lodger
Michael Obrien 29, lodger
Address: 154 Cowcaddens St, Glasgow Barony
And a marriage:
JOHN RAEBURN Marriages:Spouse: ELIZABETH LAWSON
Marriage: 08 FEB 1865 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Monica
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This looks a possibility for mother Christina's death:
1859 RAEBURN CHRISTIAN FRASER U CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/03 0287
Monica
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Thanks Monica,
I've looked on the Scotland's people site and I can't find any likely death record for John between 1861 and 1871.
Any suggestions where else I might try?
Regards,
Rickr
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:) This is his death entry on SP:
1870 RAEBURN JOHN 52 MILTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/07 0508
You are going to have fun and games :P with this one. His birth was illegitimate.....
Monica
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Rick
This is the closest that I can see on the 1841 census for John which may connect with what you'll see on the death cert for John:
Barbara Raeburn 55, Independent
Jas Raeburn 50, farmer
John Raeburn 20
Jane Stewart 85, Independent
Christian Craw 18
Ann Duncan 14
Address: Denhead, Chapel of Garioch
Monica
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:) Monica, this is fantastic! I'll pursue the James Raeburn link and keep you postedon the result.
Thanks once again,
Rickr
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Rick
If you do manage to establish the link to this James Raeburn, he and his sister Barbara (and maybe mother Jane Stewart?) were from Banff. There are a number of entries for James R in the Wills & Testament section on SP.
Good luck with searches :)
Monica
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Hi Monica,
Thanks for the help. I've managed to confirm the link to James and found his parents - Robert Raeburn and Anne Grant. His birth was recorded in 1794 in Gamrie and Macduff parish, Banff.
The next step is to try to find Robert's parents, it never ends!
Rickr
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Rick
Not wanting to pop any balloon ::)....have you actually looked at James Raeburn Snr.'s DC. Only that birth places on the censuses up to his death indicate different places of birth:
1851: Fowgel, Banffsh (I think you need to look at the original to confirm what this actually says, maybe Fordyce)
1861: Inverury
There is an entry on IGI for a Barbara Raeburn that might fit for his sister:
BARBARA REBURN Christening: 06 APR 1783 Fordyce, Banff, Scotland
Parents: JAMES REBURN and ISABEL STEUART
Following James R's death it looks like a son, James, took over the farm at Denhead. He shows there in 1871. Born 1824, he also shows a Fordynce birth place....
Might be worth verifying James R's death on SP if you haven't done so already.
Regards.
Monica
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Hi Monica,
The death certificate gives parents as John Raeburn and Anne Stewart, with no place of birth.
James never married and I think that the James who took over the farm must have been his grandson.
I've looked on sp and I can't find any birth that matches the parent's name. Am I doing something wrong.
Also what is IGI?
Thanks,
Rickr
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Hi Rick
You are not doing anything wrong, just getting the hang of this type of research :) Have a read of this post from Pam here on RootsChat: www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html which provides a useful overview and will give you some background on the various resources available for research. IGI stands for International Genenealogical Index which is on this site www.familysearch.org. It includes basic entries from the Old Parish Registers and is particularly good in Scotland for the period post the start of official registration in Scotland from 1855 with the Scottish records on IGI tailing off around 1874/5. You will see also that some of the records are submitted by members rather than actual extract from the OPRs which you need to verify elsewhere. Most importantly it is a fantastic research tool and it's free to use ;)
In respect of James Raeburn Snr, the 1841 census entry I posted probably includes a family member from his mother's side by the look of it:
Barbara Raeburn 55, Independent
Jas Raeburn 50, farmer
John Raeburn 20
Jane Stewart 85, Independent
Christian Craw 18
Ann Duncan 14
Address: Denhead, Chapel of Garioch
Now, on to the question of James Raeburn's parents, I think this is where you are going to begin to experience some of the highs and lows of research, when parents' names don't seem to match the facts.
James died in 1877. Did he die in Denhead? Who reported his death? I ask this because his sister Barbara died in Denhead in 1868:
1868 RAEBURN BARBARA F 75 CHAPEL OF GARIOCH /ABERDEEN 179/00 0010
Her parents were as I showed earlier from the IGI entry, James Raeburn and Isobel (a variant of Elizabeth) Stewart (I've had a look at her death cert to confirm). So the OPR extract on IGI in Fordyce would look to be the correct one.
Other children showing to this couple are, from the OPRs on SP:
1 21/04/1781 REBURN JEAN JAMES REBURN/ISABEL STEUART U Fordyce /BANFF 153/ 0030 0055
2 19/06/1785 REBURN MARGARET JAMES REBURN/ISABEL STUART U Fordyce /BANFF 153/ 0030 0080
3 06/04/1783 REBURN BARBARA JAMES REBURN/ISABEL STEUART U Fordyce /BANFF 153/ 0030 0069
4 14/10/1787 REBURN ELSPET JAMES REBURN/ISABEL STUART U Fordyce /BANFF 153/ 0030 0101
5 14/08/1790 REBURN JAMES JAMES REBURN/ISOBEL STUIART M Fordyce /BANFF 153/ 0030 0198
I think you probably need to do a little more digging! Maybe the next stage is to look at the Will & Testament documents available on line at SP for James?
Raeburn James 19/12/1877 residing at Denhead of Aquhorties, Parish of Chapel of Garioch Will Aberdeen Sheriff Court Wills SC1/37/80
Raeburn James 19/12/1877 farmer, Denhead of Aquhorties, parish of Chapel of Garioch, co of Aberdeen, d. 17/11/1877 at Denhead, testate Extract Inventory Aberdeen Sheriff Court Inventories SC1/36/81
Regards.
Monica :)
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Hi Monica,
I looked at the will and death certificate for James Raeburn. He died at Denhead in 1877, the death was notified by his son, James Jnr, and everything was left to James Jnr, apart from a few small bequests.
The only mystery is that James senior was single and I've not identified the mother of James Jnr.
However James senior is definitely the father of John Raeburn, so I'll mark my original post as 'completed' and set about trying to find out more about James Raeburn and Isobel Stewart, the parents of James senior.
Thanks for all your help, I would never have got this far without you.
Rickr :)