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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Margie on Friday 02 April 04 15:18 BST (UK)
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Hello to all out there.
Am at my wits end trying to find info on my Neeson family in Ballybollen. I paid for two reports to be done by Ulster Ancesty and the questions I wanted answered were not!
This is what I have maybe any of you can help. John Neeson born 1864/1865 I have his marriage certificate which states his father was also a John Neeson mother Catherine??. This father John was a labourer and lived at 4 Ballybollen Road with supposedly his father a James Neeson. Son John a weaver,married a Jane Mulholland on 1 Oct 1887 in Ahoghill RC Church and in April of 1888 they had a daughter born named Rose. When Rose was born John her father was in Port of Glasgow working and Rose was born at her grandparents that of Charles & Rose Mulholland of Aughterclooney.
Am trying to find John's birth info from 1864/1865 also what his mother Catherine's maiden name was???? I have been working for years and years on this family and still these questions above are not answered.
There seems to be no info anyplace on Johns birth 1864/1865 and for his mother Catherine she is very elusive. Any help will be most appreciated.
I have written to the parish church in Ahoghill have all the birth, death certificate pertaining to this John and Jane once they emigrated to the states as well as all info on the family from that point. Its the Ireland side in Ahoghill that is totally elusive.
Thank you kindly I hope to hear from some of you on where to go from here on this research. This John & Jane were my Great Grandparents.
Thank you, Margie
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Margie,
I hadn't a clue where "Ballybollen Road" was, so my search on Google found it possibly to be:
Ballybollen Road,
Ahoghill,
Ballymena,
Co Antrim
Is that the same Ballybollen Road as you are asking about?
Trystan
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Yes, you are correct, that is the "exact" address!!! Margie
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Hi Margie,
I too have been trying off & on over the years to trace my Neesons, I have noticed a couple of your posts on different websites. My Gt. Grandfather was Charles Neeson from somewhere in Ireland? His death cert. states his father was Francis & his mother was Alice Kane.
Charles moved to Scotland where he married Eliza. McReynolds in 1860 in a place called Milngavie(near Glasgow). I was wondering if you had come across any of these names in your search, by the way, my grandfather William was born in the same year as your John 1864. Any info. would be apprec. From one Neeson to another & thanks. Bill Neeson
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Charles Neeson who married Elizabeth McReynolds are in my family tree. John McCreadie
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The address "4 Ballybollan Road" is only relevant in recent years since roads were given names. Having lived on Ballybollan Road until I was married I know the area. I would suggest there is no such address as No. 4, the first dwelling on the road in the dates mentioned would have been the first laneway on the left coming from Glebe Road.
I believe that townland would be Ballymacilroy.
Margie mentioned having contacted the parish Church, is that the Church of Ireland or the Roman Catholic Church.
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Charles Neeson and Eliza McReynolds are my Gt Gt Grandparents Eliza had 4 sisters her father moved the family to Milngavie. Their daughter Alice is my Gt Gran
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Margie :)
I have a GGG Grandfather John Neeson married Catherine 'Lafferty' in 1856 in Bellaghy Roman Catholic Church, Ballyscullion, Magherafelt, Co Londonderry. John and Catherine emigrated to Australia after their marriage to live in Victoria. Born in Antrim, Ireland in 1834, Catherine married John Neeson and had 6 children. Catherine passed away in 1887 in Tarrayanta correct spelling is "Tarrayoukyan", Victoria, Australia. I have the names/details of all Neeson's buried in this cemetery. Catherine is registered in emigration documents as Laverty. If anyone has more information on the Neeson's from Aughterclooney or Derry or Rose Scullen whom I believe to be Catherine's mother/sister ? or Titus Neeson whom I believe to be Johns father/brother ? I have come to a stand still.
Sharon
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Unfortunately Margie hasn't been online since 2004 and her email address is no longer working.
Since 2004 lots of new Irish resources have come online (many of them free).
There's a Titus Neeson (age 50) died 1874 Ballymena district (too young to be John's father) but also a Titus Nesson, age 81, died 1897 (so born c1816). Of course, a Titus Neeson could have died before the start of civil registration of deaths in 1864. There are actually a lot of men called Titus Neeson in Co. Antrim over the years and for the dates you need it may be difficult to find the correct one.
Have you tried searching for the Neesons in Bellaghy church records?
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I have been working on the Neesons of Aughtercloney and surrounding townlands for years and particularly over the past month for my wife and another Neeson in England. My wife's great grandmother was a Neeson and I live in Aughtercloney. I have a Neeson chart compiled about 1910-20 by some of my wife's ancestors which shows the lineage from Titus Neeson and wife (probably mid-1700s). The family and their relations, in-laws, are a nightmare to place and trace because many of the same Christian names were used from generation to generation and intermarriages took place e.g. Neeson marrying Neeson 2nd cousins etc. If I can be of help, I'll try.
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A slightly belated welcome to RootsChat, TD :)
Do you spell it as Aughtercloney where you live, because here's Aughterclooney townland in the civil parish of Ahoghill.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/ahoghill/cloghogue/aughterclooney/
Here's all the Neesons in Aughterclooney in the 1911 census.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qyt/
KG
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A slightly belated welcome to RootsChat, TD :)
Do you spell it as Aughtercloney where you live, because here's Aughterclooney townland in the civil parish of Ahoghill.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/ahoghill/cloghogue/aughterclooney/
Here's all the Neesons in Aughterclooney in the 1911 census.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qyt/
KG
I have also seen it in records as Watercloney.
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A slightly belated welcome to RootsChat, TD :)
Do you spell it as Aughtercloney where you live, because here's Aughterclooney townland in the civil parish of Ahoghill.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/ahoghill/cloghogue/aughterclooney/
Here's all the Neesons in Aughterclooney in the 1911 census.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qyt/
KG
I have also seen it in records as Watercloney.
Seem to be a lot of old form variations, Elwyn
http://www.placenamesni.org/resultdetails.php?entry=5092
KG
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I have searched birth/baptism records for John Neeson and Jane Mulholland in Ahoghill and neighbouring parishes as well as a general search in various genealogical sites without success.
1. John’s father was also John but I don’t know his mother’s name. There was a John Neeson, born 1829 in Aughterclooney, who married a Catherine Laverty in May 1856 but they sailed for Australia on 11 Nov 1856 and had a son John born 1877 (she was 44 at the time). So they are not the above John’s parents.
2. Another John, born 1876, married Catherine Neeson, born 1882. They went to England. His father, also John, son of Titus Neeson (2nd) and Betty Devlin, married Mary Mulholland 29 Nov 1873.
3. Another John, born 1834, son of James Neeson of Ballybollen, born 1786, and Rose Mulholland. His DOB would tie in with having a child in 1864. James (uncle of Titus 2nd) was the son of Titus Neeson (1st) and Susan Hardy which is as far back as I can go.
This brings me to Ballybollen and Griffith’s Valuation of 1862. Numbers on the valuation refer to properties on Griffith’s map occupied by tenants of a landlord and may not be in any particular order. They’re also hard to make out on the original maps. They are not house or road numbers so, for example, no 4 in Ballybollen townland is not 4 Ballybollen Road. The townland straddles several different roads so access to the property could be from a completely different road. Another complication is that part of Ballybollen is in Ahoghill parish, the other part in Drummaul parish. So a 4 in one parish and a 4 in the other in the same townland could be close together with the parish boundary between them.
John Neeson of Ballybollen lived at property No.4 on 3 roods of ground (not even a farm) in Ahoghill parish. Access was via the Clooney Road. His father James had a farm of 16 acres but no house at property No.4 in Ballybollen in Drummaul parish about half a mile distant. Access was via the Ballybollen Road. So it can be quite complicated to identify your ancestor’s homesteads and Griffith’s online maps don’t even show the properties for Ballybollen.
The John Neeson (born 1829) who married Catherine Laverty (sometimes Lafferty) was the son of Paddy Neeson and Nancy Darragh. Paddy was the brother of the above Titus Neeson 2nd . According to the Australian Neeson family tree Catherine was the daughter of James Laverty and Rose McIlhatton, Ballyscullion. Just to confuse matters, there is another James Lafferty and wife Rose Scullen, Ballyscullion, who had a daughter Catherine born on 12 Feb 1865.
All the Neesons of Aughterclooney and surrounding townlands stem from Titus 1st. The townland had many variations in spelling since the early 1600s. The main ones are Watercloney, Aughtercloney and Aughterclooney. They're all derived from the Gaelic language and mean the same thing. Today it's just called Cloney.
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I live in Ahoghill so I know the area. Up until the roads were named, probably around 1975 the spelling was Aughtercloney. After that time what I knew as the Cloney Road was renamed the Clooney Road. The Ballybollan Road confused me as it was only named as such around 1975, before than we only talked about townlands, an address could have been Ballybollan, Ahoghill. I was very friendly with a man who was very much into Irish and townlands etc. He told me that when the Government was naming roads etc they went back into the Irish language but many of their spellings were wrong. I know of one road which has one spelling at one end and a different spelling at the other end.
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Agree, the reference to Ballybollen would be to the townland only in 1864, no house or road names existed till 1970's.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/ahoghill/cloghogue/ballybollen/
http://www.placenamesni.org/resultdetails.php?entry=5124
Further to the Drifter's comments the coloured maps on Askabout Ireland are some 10-20 years later than the printed books, the originals can be accessed in PRONI and later map revisions. One can come across numbers on the printed Griffiths that do not show on the coloured map for the same entry. But people never knew of or referred to these numbers, they were often illiterate and were for official tax purposes only. They are handy for us today as enable us to match a name in a Townland with specific fields & house.
https://www.johngrenham.com/blog/2018/11/05/more-maps-than-you-can-shake-a-stick-at/
For the Republic counties only FindMyPast has a separate collection entitled Griffith's Surveys Maps and Plans, 1847-1864 apparently of the original maps but are faint black and white images.
EDIT: didn't look at date of 1st post, see now was 2004
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If you look up Ballybollen (Ahoghill) on this site, you'll find about 20 different spellings over the years:
http://www.placenamesni.org/index.php