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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: debbie b on Friday 07 March 08 19:31 GMT (UK)
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Hi All,
Would anyone know of any books or publications I can look at to connect my "Stacey" family to the "Vickers" family of Sheffield.
My 4 x Gt Grandfather was John Vickers Stacey b abt 1795 Ecclesall Bierlow. He was married to Caroline (No surname for her).
1841 he was listed as a metal smith, 1851 a bookmaker and 1861 he was a former manufacturer.
I have looked at some trade directories but didn't find John and have no idea what he may have manufactured (if he did).
One of their sons was James Vickers Stacey b 1823 and married Ann Lockwood 1841.
This James Vickers Stacey was NOT the Britannia Metal manufacturer
though they were only born 5 years apart and similar area.
I am trying to trace where Vickers appears in the Stacey line as it continues all the way through to my Grandad but we don't know where it came from.
I would also like to try and track a connection to the "Other" Vickers-Stacey family.
I know it's a long-shot but the name might trigger a memory from a book someone may have read or an article.
I haven't tracked any Stacey graves in Sheffield either - not sure where to start and I would also like to try and find a marriage record for John and Caroline (1815 - 1820 apx they married).
Any pointers in the right direction would be gratefully accepted - please.
Many thanks for taking the time to read this - Thankyou - Debbie
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Hi Debbie.
I can't help you with the connection but there is a marriage on the IGI for John Vickers STACEY and Caroline COWLISHAW at Mattersey Notts 12 April 1814.
From the 1851 census Caroline puts her place of birth as Mattersey.
I also found these burials at the General Cemetery, Cemetery Road Sheffield.
Section H2 grave 154.
Died 23 /Oct /1861 Bur. 28/Oct /1861 James Vckers STACEY aged 38 Commercial Traveller of Attercliffe Common.
Died 13/Jun/1867 Bur 17/Jun /1867 John Vickers STACEY aged 72. Gentleman of Pomona St.
Died 15/Feb/1869 Bur 18/Feb/1869 Caroline STACEY aged 75. Widow of Harwood St Sharrow Lane.
Died 14/Jan/1885 Bur 19/Jan/1885. Ann STACEY aged 57 wife of Late James V STACEY. Traveller of 55 Pomona Street.
According to the Grave Register there is a Monumental Inscription for this family.
Tuppie
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The IGI also has the baptism of John Vickers Stacye
born 8 Sep 1794 baptised 1 Feb 1798 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield
parents John Stacye and Hannah
John Stacye married Hannah Vickers 1st April 1781 or 3rd Sept 1781 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield
so there's your Vickers connection
IGI also has baptisms for these children at Sheffield, all with parents John Stacye/Stacey and Hannah:
GEORGE STACEY 25 Sep 1811
HENRY STACEY 3 Mar 1822
MARIA STACEY 29 Oct 1802
ELIZABETH STACYE 1 Feb 1798
JOHN STACEY 3 Apr 1805
LYDIA STACYE 1 Feb 1798
WILLM. STACEY 19 Jun 1814
Barbara :)
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The 'other' James b 1828 - Britannia Metal Manufacturer was the son of Ebenezer Stacey.
Family search (IGI) also has him as a son of John and Hannah- born 1800- your two James would be cousins.
1851 HO107; Piece: 2339; Folio: 764; Page: 54 transcribed as Hady.
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Tuppie, Barbara and Heywood
Thankyou you SO MUCH for your help - YOU'RE WONDERFUL.
There seemed too many coincidences in family names for the two Vickers Stacey families not to be connected or the other thought was that mine quite liked the idea of being connected to the
manufacturer's family they decided to add Vickers to the name, then again I had tracked it back to John (1795) which was prior to James V manufacturing Britannia Metal.
Tuppie - I am guessing that Sheffield General cemetery is quite large ? There were a lot of STACEY children I'd like to find too - could I grave search it in a day ?
I though I had checked the IGI as well - I didn't do a good job did I.
You have all helped me enormously and now I have many more lines to work on.
Thankyou, Thankyou, Thankyou - a very grateful Debbie
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Hi Debbie
You're very welcome, and thank you for letting us know it all fits together for you, it's always good to know things work out well
Kind regards,
Barbara
:D :D
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Hi Barbara.
This is information taken from the Sheffield and District FHS, message board www.sheffieldfhs.org.uk The cemetery is huge and believe me it well worth contacting the friends as they will also take you to the grave. I have had two attempts at finding a grave for my ancestor and have now made an appointment for next Thursday 13th March.
Also check out http://www.gencem.org/ the first 6000 burials are searchable on this site.
A few things that may make your research easier (and maybe help the existence of the Gen Cem too - I hope). The volunteers here run a historical research service into the families and grave sites of the cemetery, and for £5 (currently) we can do research into who was buried where and when, using our own and the local archival records. We find this is an extremely useful service for people outside Sheffield in particular.
For people visiting from abroad or who who live nearby and want to visit also for £5 we can arrange to take them round the site and show them the gravesite and any monuments or gravestones that still exist. The cemetery at 15 acres in size was designed in 1836 in a gardenesque style with many winding paths. It is complex to get around and some areas have become overgrown and difficult to negotiate. So its often helpful to have someone to show the way.
All money goes into the upkeep of the site and running the Gatehouse where we have our little office. For more details contact Janet or Nancy here at the office on 0114 268 3486. The Gatehouse itself is at the end of Cemetery Avenue (off Ecclesall Road).
Kind Regards
Tuppie
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Hi Tuppie,
That was meant for Debbie, not me, but what an excellent site that is, thank you very much for the link, I'm sure it will come in useful to me too!
Barbara :)
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Thanks Tuppie for the cemetery information. Mmm - I couldn't search a 15 acre site in a few hours. I will definitely contact one of the friends and see if they will do a search for some of my other Stacey relatives. I think I would still like to visit and see the graves you find in the register for me.
I will also check the websites too so thankyou once again for all your help.
Many thanks - Debbie
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Just saw this exchange & was interested because of my Stacyes.
First could I just mention that the family of John & Hannah is a bit extended because for most we don't know which are the children of John & Hannah nee Vickers & which the children of John & Hannah nee Spawford (m 16/10/1796); also Henry is almost certainly the son of John S & Ann Walton, m 28/9/1817.
My gggm Sarah Hunter was the dr of John Hunter & Hannah Stacey. Hannah was 69 when she d in April 1864, so she was probably the dr of Joseph & Sarah Stacey bp 4/1/1795, or else of Joseph & Mary, bp 20/6/1794; curiously she appears as Ann on her marriage record, so she might additionally be Ann dr of Robt & Jane bp 25/2/95. One of her witnesses was a John Stacey.
I think she was probably related to the Vickers-Staceys, as on the '51 census John & Hannah are living next to Jas Vickers Stacey & his family in Brammall Lane.
Has anyone managed to get further than I with sorting out this rather complicated family?
Regards,
Geoffrey. :)
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Hi Geoffrey,
I haven't really done much research as yet on the earlier Stacey/Stacye line so I can't add anything else at this stage.
All I'm able to say with certainty is that all the males in my family have Vickers as their middle name which was why I was trying to figure out when Vickers became part of my Stacey family.
I have the marriage certificate of James Vickers Stacey (1846) to Ann Lockwood which lists his father as John Vickers Stacey, so Vickers had to appear earlier than John whom was born abt 1790's.
I also have a copy of the deathy duty register for James Vickers, who was the father of Hannah Vickers who married John Stacye so the timing for this marriage and the name Vickers being added to the Stacey males fits the time frame.
Have I confused things even more? I had no reason to follow the lines of John Stacey and Hannah Spawford as her surname doesn't appear in my direct line plus they didn't marry until 1796 and John and Hannah (Vickers) children were born between 1782 and 1800.
If I can help you in anyway let me know though it sounds like you've done pretty extensive research into the Stacey name yourself. It definitely sounds like there is some connection betwen them all.
Kind regards - Debbie (Nee Stacey)
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Hi Debbie
only just found your query. It would seem we are both researching the same line. John Vickers Stacey was my 3x gt grandfather.
I don't know how far you have got since but you may want to try this link
www.youle.info/history
In particular Sheffield in the 18th century Chapter IV and
Reminiscences of old Sheffield Chapter VIII
You will find Britanniaware by James Vickers and Ebenezer Stacey & Co being sold on the internet.
I'm fairly certain that the James Vickers Stacey you have been researching is the commercial traveller. I have tried searching the General Cemetery but most of the graves have been removed.
Do you know if John Stacey is related to the Staceys of Ballifield Hall?
Regards
Russell
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Hi Russell,
Wow - A cousin !
I'm afraid I can't help with Ballifield Hall I haven't come across it. Thank you so much for the Link too, that's a really interesting website and when I have some "me" time I will absorb that information.
My Stacey family is still very much in it's infancy. My Dad (Ron Stacey) just casually "asked" if I knew where his family came from. I have spent many years on my in-laws tree and haven't really chased my paternal line so it's only the last few months I have been dabbling.
My Gt Gt Gt Grandfather was James Vickers Stacey who married Ann Lockwood. He was the commercial traveler (not the manufacturer). James and Ann's son was Arthur Vickers Stacey, Arthur's son was Dennis Arthur Vickers Stacey who names HIS son the same - my grandfather.
Between 1891-1901 census records - this part of the family move to Blackpool where My Grand Dad Dennis (Known as Arthur) meets my grandmother who also happens to have been born in Sheffield but moves to Blackpool for work.
I'm in Derbyshire for a few days next week and was hoping to call into the Gen cemetery in Sheffield on my way back to see what I could find.
Have you done much researching on this line yourself? Are you descended from one of James brothers? Richard. Elijah or Enoch ? I have them in my file pending further investigation but haven't had too much time to persue.
Kindest Regards - Debbie
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Hello Debbie
I'm just revisiting this side of my research, & wondered if you'd got any further. Would you mind looking up Ann Lockwood's marriage certificate, to see if her father was William? If so, I believe her mother would also be an ancestor of mine!
Best wishes,
Geoffrey
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Just seen this and doubt that they would be related to the Stacye's of Ballifield hall as suggested in a previous post as it was a different spelling. They were quakers and some are burried in the quaker burial ground at Handsworth Sheffield.
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They were Quakers, but a lot of the early baptisms and marriages are in the Handsworth St Mary's registers, including Mahlon STACY who was baptised in 1638.
He with his wife Rebecca sailed from Hull in 1678 and settled in an area up the Delaware River now known as Trenton. There is a memorial plaque in Trenton to Mahlon STACY.
There are numerous variants on the name in the Handsworth parish registers.
STACIE, STACEY, STACY, STACYE, it would all depend on how the incumbant heard it and wrote it down.
Tuppie
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I wouldn't trust spellings before 1900, never mind 1800. The Stacies I know are in my family tree seem to have spelt their name -ey, -ye, -ie or just -y, or else the parish clerk didn't ask them.
Geoffrey
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Hi Geoffrey
I finally replied to you - only a year late!
I am also revisiting my Stacey roots and have been allocating ALL the James Vickers Stacey's and John Vickers Stacey's to the rightful parents - not an easy job but at least I know they are all connected now (brothers and cousins etc). Next job is to get them all on the tree.
I'm just working on the generation of John Vickers Stacey who married Caroline Cowlishaw. I'm just seeing if I can locate any further marriages etc for his siblings so I'm floating around late 1700's and early 1800's.
Do you still need the info from James Vickers Stacey Marriage certificate to Ann Lockwood?
Kind Regards - Debbie
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Hello Debbie
Thanks for getting back! a brief transcript of that Stacey-Lockwood marriage, especially her parentage, would still be appreciated.
'Bye,
Geoffrey.
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Hi Geoffrey
I can't be much help.
Her Fathers name and profession are blank !
They married 13th October 1846 at Brunswick Chapel (Wesleyan), Ecclesall Bierlow.
Ann was a 20 year old spinster.
In Her address field it reads: 58, Duke Street, Sheffield. but now moved to 51 Southbank (or Southworth) Terrace, Nether Hallam.
James V Stacey address details: 1, Clarence Street, Ecclesall Bierlow but now moved to 51 Southbank Terrace, Nether Hallam.
Witnessed by William Lockwood and Martha Capper
I see your problem with trying to locate her parents. It could be a number of them. I have just had a quick look and can't find the same parents to Ann, James or Joseph.
I wonder why (if she was baptised) her fathers names isn't on her marriage cert?
Kind regards Debbie
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Thanks, Debbie.
At first when I saw that her father's name was left blank, I thought Ann must be some waif we hadn't picked up on the baptism registers; but no: on the '41 Ann daughter of James is with her widowed mother Arabella in Duke St (No 56 according to a trade directory). James died in '34 & Arabella in '45, so she would be given away by her uncle Wm, husband of my gggg-gm Hannah Hunter, who was mother-in-law to Hannah Hunter nee Stacey, Jas V Stacey's aunt. Simple really!
Geoffrey. :)
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Hi Geoffrey
What a tangle!
Do I have the following correct:-
Ann Lockwood (B 1828) is the daughter of James and Arabella.
James's brother is William Lockwood (who is listed on the marriage certificate)
William Lockwood marries Hannah Hunter (Bptd July 1831) and this Hannah is the daughter of
John Hunter & Hannah Stacey?
Phew - I think I get it.
Kind Regards - Debbie
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Ann dr of Jas & Arabella Lockwood b 18/10/1825, bap Sheff P Ch 27/11/25.
Jas (1796-1834) was brother of Wm Lockwood (1781-1851)
Wm married Hannah Hunter (1781-1854) at Rotherham P Ch 7/7/1799.
Hannah dr of John Hunter & Hannah Stacey died aged 2.
I probably ought to see more original documents before I can say we've really got to the bottom of it all.
Geoffrey.
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Hi Geoffrey,
Just a thought on Hannah Stacey (who married John Hunter). I've had a question mark over this Hannah being the daughter of John Stacey and Hannah Vickers and as you pointed out in a previous message - your Hannah could have been the daughter of any of the other 3.
The reason I don't believe she is the daughter of John Stacey and Hannah nee Vickers is:
All their other children Elizabeth, Esther, Lydia and John Vickers Stacey AND John Stacey (Snr) were
all baptised together on 1st February 1798, even though their births went back to 1782.
I've puzzled as to why Hannah was baptised 6 months before the rest of this family (21 Aug 1797).
I know this doesn't solve her parentage but I guess we can rule out John S and Hannah (nee Vickers) as being her parents.
I'll let you know if I come across anything else.
Take care - Debbie
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Hello there,
I am a direct descendant of John Vickers Stacey and Caroline Cowlishaw, through their son, Elijah. As you can see, the Surname has endured right down that line to me. If I can be of any assistance, please get in touch with my via email.
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Hi Debbie
I've just joined Roots Chat and caught up on the Vickers Stacey chain. I am a 1st cousin 5 times removed of John Vickers Stacey (born 1794). His mother Hannah (born Vickers) was the sister of my great great great great grandfather John Vickers. I have a lot of information on the Vickers line but just the names and dates of the children of John Stacey and Hannah Vickers.
Paul
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Hello Debbie B
I don't know if you still follow this link. it's about 8 years old.
However, I was just in my car park in Sheffield town centre and there is a grave in it. Ebeneezer Stacey is on the gravestone! I believe it's one of the Stacey's you are looking for
Thanks
Sarah
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Hi,
I am GGrandfather is Arthur John Stacey 1855-1906. He moved down to Dorset when he was ill with his wife and children.
Son of William Turnton Stacey and Rose Etchells.
Williams father was Ebenezer Stacey (The well known Britannia metal maker and silver plate company).
Williams brother was James Vickers Stacey b1828 to 1868. There were several brothers and sisters
The whole family were from Sheffield area.
I have the family tree going back to around 1600's and it is very large!
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Hello Everyone!
After my 1st requests (back in 2012 under the name of Debbie B) I am now back on the Vickers-Stacey trail! I change my e-mail and had issues getting back on here hence the change of name.
I have done a bit of work on the Vickers-Stacey line and on the Lockwoods and I think I have separated the children of John Stacey & Hannah Vickers and John Stacey & Hannah Spawford.
Sarah - Thank you for the grave information for Ebenezer :)
I'm happy to share the info I have found if any of you guys are still out there and still doing your trees.
Stay safe
Debbie
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Hi Debbie,
Welcome back you are better off using your original profile as this has all you old topics and notification switched on - if you can not remember your password etc I can help you access your old account.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Sarah
That's very kind of you. It's my old e-mail address that is linked to this site that's the problem (it closed down so no one has access to any e-mails sent there). My "old/original" user name was DebbieB - I need to link that with my new e-mail address if that's possible? - Many thanks - Debbie
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Hi Debbie,
I can use your new email address to update your old profile, you would need to log off as I would have to delete this new profile. Once I had updated your old profile I would then send you a new password so that you can then log into your old profile.
Hope that all made sense.
Regards
Sarah :)
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Oh thank you Sarah - yes that will be great. You should be able to see my new e-mail address on the Debs9 profile. I can send it to you if not.
I will log out now - thank you :D
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Hi Sarah
Thank you so much for all your help.
I think I'm now listed as "Guest" but I can see all my old messages and replies etc
Can I change my user name back to Debbie B?
You are so helpful - it's very much appreciated
Debbie
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Hi again Sarah,
You don't need to answer that last question - I can see you've changed it back for me ;D
Thank you once again
Take care
Debbie
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Hi again!
I'm still working on the Vickers/Stacey family tree (Sheffield)
Whilst I have the information I previously needed, I wondered if anyone following this thread knows if the Vickers (white metal manufacturer) family is connected in anyway to the Vickers/Naylor family? Same surname, similar professions, same years (or, just a coincidence?)
I have done a little bit of research and can't find a connection or common ancestor.
I have gone back to James Vickers 1737-1809 for the manufacturer (who is the son of James Vickers born about 1710).
For the Vickers/Naylor family, I have gone back to John Vickers b. 1723, the miller, who was the son of Edward Vickers (b. 1688) & Mary Rawson.
Is anyone tracking/tracing either of these families that far back?
Many thanks
Debbie
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Hi Debbie, just come across these posts by googling James Vickers Stacey.
I have recently started to trace my own family history on my Mothers side after she passed away. Her father was James Vickers Stacey (born 1901 and died 1981) and I believe his father was of the same name (1875-1965) and possibly his father was Arthur Vickers Stacey??
Could this be the same branch? If so, I had no idea that the Vickers Stacey was once a hyphenated surname!
All from the Sheffield / Blackpool area.
I look forward to hearing from you!
Regards, Vicky