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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: poppyann on Monday 03 March 08 12:24 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for the parents of James Hickman b abt 1779 in Sussex the only information on hi is that he was married to Sarah Gander 3/10/1807 in Chiddingly. Any help would be very much appreciated.poppyann
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Ooh, poppyann, some scandal attached to the family later in the 19th century - I need to dig out the articles in SFHG magazine.
A James Hickman was named as the "other man" in a murder story - the Onion Pie Murder. Sarah French murdered her husband William in 1852. She was apparently infatuated with James, who worked for his great uncle George Gander at West Street Farm in Hellingly. Sarah was found guilty at the subsequent trial but James was not punished.
Nell
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The article about the Onion Pie murder was in the September 2007 issue and there was a reference to it in the latest edition which contains an article about the Hickman/Hickmer family. The author is stuck at the same point as you!
If you would like her contact details, let me know and I'll send you a pm.
There is a marriage for Thomas Hickman to Sarah Vernon in Hailsham in 1777. Thomas was recorded as being of Fletching.
There is also a settlement certificate for Thomas Hickmer and his wife of Westham dated 1780 in Hailsham parish records.
Nell
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ooh poppyann that is my OH family
but i only go back as far as James , with Sarah Gander (his wife) i can go back further
will PM you
Toni
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Thanks toni
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Hi
I'm new to this (this is my first post) so help me along here please.
I am researching Hickmans. James & Sarah were my 4 times great grandparents.
Another cousin and I are up to our necks in Hickmans because we are trying to work out who the parents of James are.
We have a couple of candidates, but we really need to find anyone that can verify some of these peole for us.
How do we go about sharing info?
Carol
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Hi Carol, I am very sorry James is the only Hickman I have. Have you looked on Genes Reunited. Regards Poppyann
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Hi Carol and welcome to Rootschat :D
I too have a Hickman who married in Chiddingly and I have been unable to verify him. He was called Richard and married Phillis Funnell.
Would you be able to put down all details you might have for your James and someone might be able to help you.
Best wishes
Kerry
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Hello Kerry
Thank you for your welcome.
I have lots of Hickman information so I'll try to be brief.
I have Richard Hickman married to Ann Thomas who had a son James born in Hellingly c 1779.
We have now discovered that William & Mary (Baker) had a son James born in c1771.
Our basic problem at the moment is which of these James married Sarah Gander.
After delving into this family for this information it has bought up quite a few other queries.
So we now need to investigate the Lewes lot as well, although that is another day. (Which may help with Richard & Phyliss Funnell, Kerry. I have Funnells in my family as well).
How do I correspond with people through personal message? Is that the safest way to give out email addresses etc.?
Regards
Carol
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Hi Carol
Yes the safest way to swap emails is by PM, the Mods will delete them from the public boards. If you click on any name such as kerryb where it is highlighted in blue beside any of messages it will take you to a page about me, you then pick send this rootschatter a personal message, its towards the bottom of the page.
Kerry :)
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Hi Kerry
Thanks for that. If you would like me to keep you informed about findings just let me know. If you have excel I could send you information that way.
I shall be spending the afternoon trying to sort out all the emails I have received in the past week to try and add a bit of order to latest finds.
I'll be back. If you have anything about any of the Hickmans from Chiddingly, Heathfield, Lewes, Hellingly that might be relevant, feel free to send it.
Regards
Carol
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Hi Poppyann
Are you descended from James & Sarah?
Carol
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Hi Haryc
my OH is descended from James & Sarah
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Hi Toni
Do you have any other details?
Carol
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Hi Carol, Sarah's father Richard was brother to John who was my 3 x great grandfather. Regards Poppyann
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Aah so your Gander/Paine yes.
James Hickmans' parents could be either
Richard and Ann (Thomas) Hickman
or
William & Mary (Baker) Hickmore
We are still trying to discover as much as possible about the families to try and decide who is who.
It would appear that the Hickmans may have started in Waldron then moved to Heathfield and then some on to Chiddingly.
Carol
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no not yet for James but working on it!
lots for Sarah Gander
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Hi Toni
Do you have excel? I could email you my charts of Richard & Louise and Edward & Mary.
Carol
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Hi Kerry
Have you discovered the parents of Phyllis yet?
I have two possibles
John & Mary or Joseph & Lucy.
They both had Phyllis's born in Chiddingly and bap there in 1800.
Carol
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Hi Kerry
One other thing there was a burial for a Philly Funnell in Chiddingly in 1809, Inf. Maybe that was the other one. No way of knowing which is which though, is there?
Carol
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i'll PM you
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Hi Kerry
Have you discovered the parents of Phyllis yet?
I have two possibles
John & Mary or Joseph & Lucy.
They both had Phyllis's born in Chiddingly and bap there in 1800.
Carol
Hi Carol
Phillis was the daughter of John Funnell and Mary Willard and was baptised on 15 November 1801 at Chiddingly. I found that on the parish registers on my last visit to ESRO. Phillis went on to have an illegitimate son, John in 1819 who was great great great gradnfather. She then married Richard Hickman and in 1842 they emigrated to Tasmania with their seven children.
The only information I have about Richard Hickman is that he was either born in Hellingly or Mayfield, about 1794 according to burial record and census returns.
Kerry
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So she definately doesn't belong to Joseph & Lucy Funnell,
baptised 30 NOv 1800 in Chiddingly?
Carol
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Hi Carol
No and I wonder if that was the one who was buried in 1809?
Kerry
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You said in an earlier message about Richard & Phyllis emigrating in 1842.
I have found a passport application for a Richard Hickman in 1851.
Would they definately have gone in 1842 or did they hang about for a bit before they finally went?
Carol
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Hi Carol
No they definitely went in 1842, I have the passenger list as well as details of their arrival in Tasmania and their lives there.
Tasmania archives are extremely helpful ;D
Kerry
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Hi Kerry
How do I find out about earlier immigration please?
I have Henry Hickmer and wife Ann missing after 1841 in one family
and Henry and wife Harriet missing in another.
I know the records are on findmypast after 1890 but I need them around 1840-1850.
Many thanks
Carol
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Hi Carol
There are some immigration records on Ancestry but I am not sure what years they cover. I think I googled and came up with the Tasmanian archives site because someone told me the family I was looking for had gone there.
Kerry
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Cheers I'll try that.
Caro
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I hope this finds someone that can help me.
I have been researching the surname Hickmore and found Hickmer, Hickman and others in this. This thread lists some people I have in mine or I know would be in mine with the right connections and hoping someone might be able to help me and fill in some gaps I might have.
My website for this surname is : http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=carnage&surname=H
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Richard Hickman married to Ann Thomas is my 5th Great Grand Uncle.
Cheers
Brendan
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Hi Brendan
Welcome to Rootschat, hopefully you will find some of your queries answered here. :)
Is there anyone you are looking for help with in particular?
Kerry
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Well Haryc had the person listed that I have in my database and he says in the thread that he has a lot of information on Hickman so I thought he might be able to help me fill that line out. I also have so many names that perhaps others with Hickman in their database might have ones that I do.
My line starts with my Grandma who is a Hickmore and going back the name has changed to Hickman, Hickmer, Hickmor, Hickmar, Hichmett.
The furthest back I have is Richard Hickmar/Hichmett born abt 1690 Waldron Sussex
Brendan
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The name does seem to be interchangeable doesn't it, I am beginning to think my Richard Hickman was not baptised Hickman as despite several parish register searches he cannot be found.
I even bough the parish register for Mayfield so I could go through it with a fine tooth comb but that didn't find him either.
Well done for getting back so far and an interesting tree. :)
Kerry
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It's been quite fun, one of the people I have had three different surnames in their lifetime and quite alot have two so it can be hard. I just happened to come across this site on a quick google search and did not think it would find anything.
Everytime I see Hickmore/Hickman/Hickmer I'm pretty sure we are related somehow, just got to try and connect the dots.
I was lucky with the research as someone in Canada had seen me post a few years ago and provided information their spouse had conducted over his life and had only recently died so he deserves the credit. I just want to fill in the information he didn't have and hopefully find more cousins etc I didn't know about.
Also Richard Rayment at www.hickmore.org (http://www.hickmore.org) helped out also as he has quite a bit of information also.
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I've not seen that site before, thank you.
Kerry
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JAMES HICKMER
Baptism 29 Nov 1772 Name James HICKMUR Father's Name William HICKMUR Mother's Name Mary HICKMUR Parish Heathfield All Saints
or
Baptism 11 July 1779 – Hellingly
Father Richard Hickmar
Mother Ann IGI Source
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James Hickman who was involved with Jane Piper and it was alledged involved with her sister Sarah French nee Piper leading to Sarah poisioning her husband with arsenic in onion pie on Christmas day 1851 although he didnt die until 7th Jan 1852
This James Hickman was the great nephew of George gander whom he lived and worked with in Hellingly - across the border of Chiddingly and i think was in his 20's at the time of the murder therefore he cant be James Hickman b. circa 1779 who m. Sarah Gander
or am i wrong?
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How is everyone going with the link of James Hickman/Hickmer to parents and spouse?
Kerry and I are looking for the same Hickman line.
A "Who do you think you are?" expert, Stephen Thomas, suggested a link.
The James christened 11 July 1779 is the son of Richard Hickmer and Ann Thomas.
His siblings are Mary chr 1769, Abigail chr 1772, Eliza Chr 1773, Ann Chr 1774, Sarah chr 1776, Philly chr 1777, James and then Jane chr 1782.
I don't have sources for Richard and Ann's marriage or their birth/christening dates only their children
The suggestion is that Philly and Sarah both had illigitemate children named John.
Sarah's was chr 1792 and Philly's in 1798. One of these may have changed their name to Richard to avoid confusion with their 1st cousin. I am yet to determine which one, if any. Sarah's John from Stephen's research is not found on the 1841 or 1851 census at the time our Richard emigrated to Australia.
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Hello - I have come across this chat after a random search of my surname. The James Hickman referred to in the onion pie story was my great-great grandfather.
I probably don't have much information to offer but I am interested in the research that has been done on the family, and will look forward to any developments.
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The information I have is
Richard Hickmore (1690)=Elizabeth Mills
son
Richard Hickmore (1718/1720)=Elizabeth Lassender
son
Richard Hickmore (1742)=Ann Thomas brother William Hickmore (1747)=???Mary Baker
son James Hickmer (chr 11 July 1779) son James Hickmer (1787)=??Sarah Gander
son Richard Hickmer (chr 2 July 1815) chiddingly
If you have any evidence of names and dates
of William Hickmore and wife
James (1787) and wife
and Richard (1815) and wife that would be marvellous?????
I'm descended hopefully from Richard Hickmore and Ann Thomas so our common ancestor
would be Elizabeth Lassender and Richard Hickmore (1718/1720)
Our family's issue is we can't verify whether any of the John Hickmer's changed their name to Richard Hickmore (Hickman) which was the name of my great-great-great grandfather who emigrated to Australia in 1841.