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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: scurlockgirl on Sunday 02 March 08 15:09 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for a WALKER family in Belfast. The daughter, Elizabeth Ann, married Stephen DAVIDSON in 1907. On the marriage cert Elizabeth says she was at 52 Elm Street and a street directory prior to 1907 shows an Eliza at no 52, whom I take to be her. I have absolutely nothing on her family at all, but her father was a John WALKER, sailor. Eliza must have been born around 1880-1890. The bride's witness was a Maria MORRISON, but I have no idea who she was. Would love to make contact with anyone connected to WALKERs in Belfast.
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I can confirm the following info for you : 1907 Belfast Street Directory @ : www.lennonwylie.co.uk
Elm Street 52. Walker, Eliza
Marriage recorded at www.emeraldancestors.com
Date of Marriage 23 Oct 1907
Groom Name stephen frederick donald DAVIDSON
Bride Name elizabeth anne WALKER
Church Saint Mary Magdalene Church of Ireland
Parish Shankill
Civil District Belfast
County Antrim
Cant find anything on her birth in N.Ireland or Scotland.
OTTO
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Thank you for confirming the marriage details and the entry from the 1907 directory. I have nothing further on Elizabeth's origins and don't know if she was actually born in Ireland. Stephen DAVIDSON and Elizabeth had at least one daughter - Eileen Victoria DAVIDSON - who was born January 1918, possibly in Belfast.
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Hi Elizabeth
I am also looking for info on the Walker Family of Belfast,my GGgrandfather was James F(Ferris) Walker married Deborah Morrison 19Nov1862 Belfast.Here is something that was sent to me as a personal message a couple of weeks ago by a member.
"Wonder if this any connection to your Walker's-Gravestone Inscriptions Belfast vo.1 Shankill Graveyard;Erected by John Walker in loving memory of his wife Jane who died 13May1861 age 33.Also Ellen one of there children who died in infancy.Also sister Agnes died 24dec1868 age 28.Also his son who died in infancy.Also his neice Maggie who died 31May1888 Age 22 daughter of Ferris,also her sister Agnes who died 24Feb1890 age 19"
This may not have any connection i just thought i would pass it along
Hughie
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Hi.
Elm Street was off Conduit Street which was off Donegall Pass, which runs from Ormeau Road to Shaftesbury Square. Most of that area has been redeveloped, so these streets may not exist anymore, at least as they were.
St Mary Magdalene Church of Ireland, refered to by Otto, would be the local C.o.I. church, still operational. The area would be in the Parish of Shankill.
I think the local Presbyterian Church would be Great Victoria Street Presb., Ch.
Regards,
Dixie
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Thanks Hughie and Dixie for your help with the WALKERs and Elm Street. Unfortunately I don't have any information on my John WALKER at all. I only have the marriage of his daughter in Belfast. I'm estimating John was born sometime between 1840 and 1860. I don't have a wife or any other children for him. I don't have a match for John in the 1901 census either and can't be sure that these WALKERs originated in Belfast.
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Hi,
I am also researching Belfast Walker's. Unfortunately I can't see a link between my Walker 'branch' and any of the details given here. The following is therefore for information purposes only.
George Walker (b.1842 Hillsborough) married Margaret McDowell (b.1850 Donaghadee) in 1871. Around 1888-1891 they lived at 15 Walnut Street which adjoins Elm Street. They had previously lived at St Andrews Square, Rotterdam St, and Spruce St. After Walnut St the family moved to the Templemore Ave/Mount St/Willowfield area of East Belfast.
Best wishes with your research.
John
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Going through older posts and came across this one. By now you might have been able to find more information but if you haven't done so the following might be of interest.
The 1901 and 1911 census are now both online. The 1911 census shows an Elizabeth Walker in Elm Street but she's a 69 uear old widow so not likely to be the Eliza who married Stephen Davidson in 1907.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Cromac/Elm_Street/159659
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Thanks, yes I have come across this Eliza and I believe she is the mother of my Elizabeth Ann WALKER as Elizabeth's daughter was born in Elm Street, Belfast.
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Hi Scurlockgirl,
I note some confusion here in the posts above. I know my Walker relatives from both Spruce Street and Elm Street via my mother who is in her late seventies now in Belfast.
She use to visit her Great-Grandmother Eliza's grave in Bangor was she was born (1841) also (Eliza Eddy). She married (26jul1861) John Walker (born 1831 Belfast and a sailor, widowed on his marriage certificate to Eliza Eddy) who indeed was from Belfast who spent some time in Liverpool via merchant navy. I have some old photos but I'm still deciphering who is who in them. Eliza has three children in the 1901 census and is widowed. My mother's Grandmother was on of them, Mary Josephine born in Liverpool in 1878 as was Robert John (born 1882) and Eliza Anne "Lizzie" too (born 27Aug1884). However there is other siblings, Andrew born 1865 and went to America, John born 1867, James born 1869, an 1871?? sibling?? and Mary Isabella born in 1874.
I'm not sure your Elizabeth Anne is Lizzie or not because I'm on the Mary Walker line.
There are other Eliza Walkers from Cairo Street in the "Holyland" in Belfast and maybe Walnut Street in the Donegall Pass also, but I'm not sure about them.
If this is the Walker family you are after then keep in contact as I'm still researching them via navy links on HMS Terpsichore.
Hope this helps you and other Walkers.
Robbo
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Just in case anyone else is researching the family...
Children of John Walker & Elizabeth Eddy born Belfast:
- Andrew (1865) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPYD-Y29
- John (1867) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F512-NJ5
- James (1869) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPB2-PXP
- daughter (1871) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPB7-F89
- Mary Isabella (1874) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPB4-QQ2
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I was delighted to see your post Robbo.
Since leaving my information I have filled in some of the WALKER family tree and believe that my husband's Lizzie (Eliza Ann) and your Lizzie are the same. I have not been able to find a birth in Ireland for my husband's great grandmother Lizzie, but did locate a suitable birth in Liverpool on 27th August 1884 and a baptism on 5th September 1884 at St Mathias, Liverpool. 2 other children were born in Liverpool - Mary (your line), who was not baptised with the name Josephine and Robert. I too have the other siblings you mention, all born in Ireland.
I found a marriage between Eliza EDDY and John WALKER and penciled this in on my tree and even found the widowed Eliza in 1901 and 1911 in Belfast. I had no idea where she was buried until seeing your post. My husband's grandmother was born in Belfast in 1918 but was subsequently given up for adoption back in London, so lost all contact with the family. Her mother was Eliza Ann(e) WALKER, who married Stephen Frederick Donald DAVIDSON in 1907.
Eliza Ann had 2 further children - Bernard and Josephine. I am sure that the younger sister's name shows another connection with your Mary Josephine. I have no idea why our Eileen was given up for adoption but subsequent children remained with the family.
In 1881 A John WALKER, ship keeper, is in Liverpool with 2 children (Andrew and Mary) and wife Johana. I think the wife's name is a mistake and it should read 'Eliza'.
I found the 3 young WALKERs in Liverpool in 1891, living with William and Elizabeth KENNEDY. I thought that Elizabeth was possibly Eliza WALKER (nee EDDY) who had subsequently remarried a William KENNEDY. It then looked as if the family returned to Belfast, where Eliza WALKER is recorded as a widow.
I hope this is of interest to you and you might be able to confirm some of the above.
Scurlockgirl
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Thank you Aghadowey. I have those children of John and Eliza WALKER from Familysearch on the tree.
Best wishes
Scurlockgirl
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Thanks for that Scurlockgirl,
I concur. and did wonder about the Johanna thing (mistake?). The death of John Walker remains a mystery for me still.. between 1881 and 1891? I have a photograph of who we believe to be him pre-1901 dressed as a sailor in Maryport (printed as a postcard with Walker and Elm Street, Belfast, written on it).
I'm working in Liverpool now as I type this and funnily enough Gt Howard Street (St Matthias' Church not there now) cropped up in conversation reminding about one story on Mary Josephine, because your Kennedy link might explain how we were told as children that Mary's future husband (James Mangan - Sailor) was previously a lodger in her house near the docks (where she was the landlady). Goodness knows when they moved to Belfast then where he later resided around the corner from Elm St in Spruce St (he previously lived in Lindsey St as a sailor from Co. Meath).
I'm still trying to narrow down the death of John Walker so any help would be appreciated.
Ta,
Robbo
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Hi Robbo
I estimated John WALKER died between 1881 and 1891. My Elizabeth's baptism does not record her father as deceased, so this would narrow the death to between 1884 and 1891. I thought John might have been buried at St Mathias, Liverpool, but currently there is no online access to these records so I haven't been able to check. There are a few possible John WALKER deaths on FreeBMD, but this one looks the most likely:
Sep 1887 quarter aged 58.
Of course he could have died elsewhere, being a sailor, or even have died at sea.
William KENNEDY married Elizabeth WALKER Sep 1890 Liverpool district.
This marriage does not appear on http://www.marriage-locator.co.uk/ website so may have been a registry office marriage.
I have Eliza EDDY(s) father as James and John WALKER's father as Andrew WALKER. I'm not sure where this information came from - possibly from their marriage details. Maybe you can confirm whether any of this is correct Robbo. Do you know the name of John WALKER's first wife? I've come across a few possible marriages, but haven't confirmed anything.
Kind regards
Scurlockgirl
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Hi,
His first wife may have been Johana Williamson. Indeed he is shown as widowed on his marriage certificate - dates are m26jul1861 & m16dec1869.
According to my mother Eliza died in Bangor and never re-married after John's death.
Note in 1881 census the reference to his wife being Johana may be in error because certainly on St Matthias actual baptismal record Eliza is on it for Mary Walker's insert and the address marries up with the census and my family's story about our roots in Liverpool.
As far as his death in 1887, have got that death certificate yet. If not then I'll apply for it and we can corroborate information.
Ta,
Stephen