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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex => England => Essex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: scobie79 on Friday 29 February 08 17:58 GMT (UK)
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Hello all in Essex.
I am after lots of bits of information - dates and places mainly. I have found as much as I can from BDM, census returns & I.G.I. so now need checks in parish registers.
Starting with William Wade born c.1805 (which is why his middle name sometimes appears as Nelson) at Grays, married date & place unknown to Lucy born c. 1805 at Orsett.
They had 10 children at regular short intervals, so I think I have them all, unless there are any before or after the following list.
John(athan) born c.1831 at Chadwell or West Tilbury (various censuses)
died unmarried in 1877 in Orsett district
Stephen born c.1833 Chadwell or Tilbury or South Ockendon
married Susan(nah) Smith 1853 in Orsett district
died 1894 in Orsett district
Jane born c.1835 South Ockendon -
does not appear after 1841 census so perhaps died young
Charlotte born c. 1835 South Ockendon -
does not appear after 1841 census so perhaps died young
George Golden Radley born c.1836 at Chadwell or Tilbury
married Elizabeth Sarah Wilson in 1860 Orsett district
died 1902 Orsett district (bur. at West Thurrock?)
Alfred born c.1837 West Tilbury -
does not appear after 1851 census so perhaps died
Elizabeth Ellen born & died 1839 at South Ockendon
Sarah born 1840 at South Ockendon
married George Smith 1858 Orsett district
died between 1871 & 1881
Lucy born c. 1843 at South Ockendon
married Thomas Smith 1861 Orsett district
died 1899 Orsett district
Eliza born 1845 South Ockendon - died 1848 Orsett district
Thanks for looking. If anyone can fill out any full dates & places at all I am very grateful. Does anyone know if any monumental inscriptions have been transcribed?
I know I am asking a great deal , so many thanks for bearing with me.
Regards,
Scobie
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Charlotte WADE
Date of burial: 18 Sep 1842
Age at death: 6
Place of burial: South Benfleet
St Mary the Virgin
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Thank you so much, Suffolk Sue.
I must admit that Jane & Charlotte Wade are the two members of the family about which I have some doubts. They were included in another person's tree, but I have been unable to find any reference to them - perhaps they were cousins. However, I decided to include them at this stage (a) because they fit in so neatly between Stephen & George Wade & (b) because more information on them (eg baptisms) could hopefully confirm or eliminate them.
The burial about Jane that you have given fits in well with the information I have as regards age & area (also it does not appear in the BDM).
I do appreciate any help I receive, & hopefully there will be more information forthcoming.
Best regards,
Scobie
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Hi Scobie, I am searching the Radley's from Orsett and can possibly help you. The Lucy bc1805 is I believe Lucy Radley b1803 the parents are John Radley b1769 at Orsett and Lucy Radley b1780. If this is the same Lucy then I cannot see why they would name a child George Golden Radley in 1836,the family is very mixed so who knows ! Do you have documented proof that he was her son ? I would like to know so that I can enter it in my records.
Incidentally another Wade, John was in partnership in 1821 with Mary Radley as a blacksmith in Ilford,there might be another lead to follow up.Regards Chris
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Hello Chris.
Thanks for your reply. I can confirm that George Golden Radley Wade was the son of William and Lucy Wade, although he does not use the 'George' part of his name for some reason (I found that confusing to begin with). Golden Wade appears as a son in William and Lucy Wade's family in the 1841 and 1851 census, and appears in the 1871 census, a married man by then, as Golden Radley Wade. Your Lucy Radley has to be the lady that I am looking for - the 'Radley' part is too much of a coincidence to ignore.
George Golden Radley Wade married Elizabeth Sarah Wilson in 1860 and among their eight known children was George Radley Wade born 1864 at North Ockendon.
I also have William Wade (b 1805) as buried 08/05/1858 at South Weald, Essex, but that needs to be confirmed.
As for the John Wade in partnership with Mary Radley, this is completely new to me, and something to be looked for in the future. At the present time, I have no information on William Wade's (b 1805) siblings and parents at all.
As you are the man on the spot, as it were, I would appreciate any information and dates regarding Lucy Radley, her immediate family and her antecedents, if you can.
Again, many thanks for the information that you have supplied.
Regards,
Scobie
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Hi Scobie, I can understand now, its obvious when you add the Wade surname, I was reading your original posting and just saw the name Radley and assumed it was the surname.
The info I can give at present is as follows:
John Radley b1780, d 1841 Orsett (although I have been told by another source 1846)
In 1841 he was an agric.labourer in Orsett.
Married to Lucy b1780,d1842.
Children were:
1. Lucy b1803 Orsett
marr. to your William Wade (see posting).
2. William Robert b1813 Orsett,d1880 Orsett
marr. to Mary b1816 Orsett
1841 census,an agric.lab at Orsett ,2 children Robert b1837,William b1839
1871 census,an agric.lab at Orsett, 2 more children Henry b1858, Elizabeth b1855.
There are other children but this is part of ongoing research, I have the details but they need claryfying.This all leads onto my self in the chain.
Prior to John b1769 I have 3 possible connections from Orsett/Brentwood areas but they are proving hard to make the right link, I shall be having a look at the parish records at ERO soon and may find something,I will post anything I find out.Regards Chris
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Hello again, Chris.
In the light of the information you supplied, I have tried to find a bit more on the internet. What follows you may already have, but I pass it on in case.
First, I checked the I.G.I. and found the following children of John and Lucy Radley baptised at Orsett.
John Radley bap. 25/12/1799
Jesse Radley bap. 19/04/1801
Lucy Radley bap. 09/10/1803
Charlotte Radley bap. 04/09/1808
No mention of son William Robert Radley, although he appears clearly enough in the census. From the census, I have John Radley (b 1799) as married to Sarah A. Radley and, from BDM, his death as (probably) Oct quarter 1854 Orsett 4a 74.
As for the death of John Radley (b 1769), BDM gives two possible options, Jul quarter 1841 Orsett 12 109 or Apr quarter 1846 Orsett 12 123. Parish records should hopefuly separate the two.
Have a good Christmas.
Regards,
Scobie
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Hi Scobie , a great bit of research, I havn't got John's birthdate, I had estimated 1800 so was very close, Jessie and Charlotte are new to me,thanks for those as somebody else is looking for Charlotte Radley details so that helps them.
The one I am really looking for now is John Radley born in Orsett about 1713 - 1725. I have his sisters Susannah b1713 and Marie b1714,married 1749 both born Orsett, the parents are John and Mary who married in 1713 Orsett and he or the missing son John was a church warden at Orsett in 1756 for one year only. The earlier John had a brother Robert who married Sara Murrel in 1719 at Widford, I have their line up to 1764. I think the difficulty in finding John is because the parish records are badly damaged for those years, perhaps I will find a later link next time I go to the ERO.
Regards, Chris
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Hi Chris.
I had another look at the I.G.I. for any Radleys, but the only ones mentioned are those I've already found. There may well be many more in the parish registers, but not covered by the I.G.I.
I also have had problems with some parish registers being damaged or so faded as to be virtually illegible. Occasionally I have only been able to work out names and dates by knowing the christian names and/or surnames of parents or offspring that I am looking for and barely deciphering them that way. But there are always going to be those that are just impossible to make out and are probably lost forever.
Good luck with your future research.
Regards,
Scobie
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Hi, I know this post is old. But I’ve only just been given my family tree and came across this chat my g grandmother was Ada Rosetta Morley George golden radley Wade was my ggg grandfather kind regards meme
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Hi, I know this post is old. But I’ve only just been given my family tree and came across this chat my g grandmother was Ada Rosetta Morley George golden radley Wade was my ggg grandfather kind regards meme
Hello Meme, Very good to get a reply after all those years, I guess we are related through our great grandfather John Radley 1769-1841 and Lucy Alliss 1780-1842 his wife. Since the early messages I posted I have managed to progress with the tree to such an extent that I am now back to the Domesday Book with the finding of the location that led to the name Radley being formed in Essex (very different to Radley's of other areas in the UK) How far have you got with their daughter Lucy marrying William Wade?
To be honest my research is done in a different way to many genealogists, I only follow the male line and so my research has only traced the Radley name, it is partly a one name study which has come into its own once you get past the 1500's when parish registers stop. Beyond this period what I call forensic genealogy takes over and only by gathering info on all Radley's in Essex and analysing location, very old documents, land transactions and so much more that the family line can be traced back.
If you need any help or are stuck on taking the tree back beyond John and Lucy (Alliss) let me know and I can probably help you out. I don't have a tree that can be sent as it started with Windows 95 and has been copied many times over the years onto new operating systems that are now incompatible with the newer pc's. Chris