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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Valry on Thursday 28 February 08 10:06 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Please, is there anyone who could help me by looking for any information on:
Geoge Thomas Forfar (b 1891 Lancs)
May Dorothy nee Palmer (b 1894 Cardiff)
Dorothy E.C (b 1915 Cardiff)
Douglas M (b 1920 Cardiff)
George Thomas (b 1922 dis Edmonton)
who sailed for Melbourne from London on the S.S. Beltana 29th March 1923
Many thanks Valry
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Hi Valry
From Victorian BDM
George Forfar died 1923 75 years SMelb Reg no 6994
Father and Mother: Unknown
George Thomas Forfar died 1954 65 years Park Reg no 4954
Father: James Mother: Harriet Honney
May Dorothy Forfar died 1962 68 years Cob Reg no 14265
Father:Thomas Palmer Mother: Elizabeth Dean
George Thomas Forfar died 1979 57 years Cob Reg no 13163
Father: George Thomas Mother: May Eustica Palmer
Victorian Electoral Roll
George Thomas Forfar (Boilermaker) and May Dorothy Forfar (Home Duties)
1924 168 Nicholson Street Brunswick North
1931 328 Reynard Street Pascoe Vale
1936 55 Hawthorn Street Coburg
Raylen
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Australia archives recordsearch shows that both George Thomas Forfar b. 1922 and Douglas Maitland Forfar b. 1920 served in WWII.
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ResearcherScreen.asp
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Well, thank you both so much for the information. From your info Raylen, I have now found their cremation dates at Fawkner Crematorium including one for a Gloria Forfar who possibly was George jnr's wife.
Thanks also for your info jorose, after fumbling my way around (not very good searching the net) found the military records for Douglas and George plus sister Dorothy. Bonus here was that full names were given also Douglas's record had been digitalised so have a complete copy of his enlistment papers.
As usual one thing leads to another. Two more queries if anyone can help please.
Is there anywhere I can look for marriages, probably 1940's +?
Douglas Maitland Forfar enlisted in August 1938 and discharged in February 1939 with comments 'R.O. 39 - Exel (or excl) in R.A.G.A. - any ideas please?
Many many thanks, far more todate than I imagined - Valry
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Hi Valry,
The last Victorian Marriages Index goes to 1942, and no Forfars appear in it, I'm afraid.
.....dee
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Hi Valry
Service details for -
Dorothy Eliz Cecilia Forfar
Service number: VX112631
Date of Birth: 19/11/1915 Cardif
Date of Enlistment: 17/10/1942
Date of Discharge: 29/4/1947
Rank: Private
2/5 Australian General Hospital
Raylen
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Thanks ..dee, appreciate your comments.
Thanks Raylen, is '2/5 Aust. Gen Hosp' part of her service details, if so could it mean she was discharged to Hospital? Sorry to keep on - Valry
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Valry
2/5th Australian General Hospital is the last posting served prior to
discharge.
Raylen
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Could these photos be of Dorothy? (they do say she was of Coburg, Victoria).
http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/016975
http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/016974
http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/016976
http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/097939
- and one group photo in which there is a G. T. Forfar of Coburg, Vic.
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Thanks Raylen. Jorose, what can I say - absolutely amazing photographs, yes they tie in beautifully. I would never have thought such information was available nevermind knowing where to find it. Thanks so much.
I have had a 'bad patch' with Family History and was ready to put it all to sleep and really wondered why I was doing it but I now know, the buzz has returned thanks to you all.
Another query if you don't mind - have found 2 enlistment entries - also, any ideas what is R.A.G.A please
FORFAR DOUGLAS MAITLAND : Service Number - VX974 : Date of birth - 26 Sep 1919 : Place of birth - CARDIFF WALES : Place of enlistment - EAST ST KILDA VIC : Next of Kin - FORFAR MAY
FORFAR DOUGLAS MAITLAND : Service Number - 449077 : Date of birth - 26 Sep 1920 : Place of birth - CARDIFF WALES : Place of enlistment - MELBOURNE : Next of Kin - FORFAR GEORGE
Thanks again for your help - valry
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R.A.G.A = Royal Australian Garrison Artillery, probably?
http://www.ozatwar.com/ozatwar/abbreviations.htm - big list of abbreviations here.
It looks to me like the record for Douglas that has images online is related to him joining up shortly before WWII, and then there's presumably a second set of records relating to his WWII service.
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Valry,
How lucky are you that jorose found those photos! :)
Good find jorose!!
The only way you can get any more information on the 2 records for
Douglas Maitland Forfar is to order a copy. Details are on the site.
R.A.G.A. - not sure what it means. Was wondering if it had something
to do with the other entry for Douglas M Forfar VX974 regarding a court martial in 1940.
Maybe someone with a bit of knowledge in this area will help out.
Good luck
Raylen
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Thanks again both for you input. The photos are an amazing find.
I have just re-read his attestation papers and he was previously in 59 Bn Cadets. He joined the 59th BN in August 1938 and was discharged in Feb 1939 then I think it probably says "'enl' in R.A.G.A". Now knowing what the letters mean helps it to make sense. It would have helped if I had read it all properly in the first place. I did look to see if I could get a copy of the CM but it is closed, but perhaps that is being just a little too nosy.
Hats off to you both - Valry
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Thanks again both for you input. The photos are an amazing find.
I have just re-read his attestation papers and he was previously in 59 Bn Cadets. He joined the 59th BN in August 1938 and was discharged in Feb 1939 then I think it probably says "'enl' in R.A.G.A". Now knowing what the letters mean helps it to make sense. It would have helped if I had read it all properly in the first place. I did look to see if I could get a copy of the CM but it is closed, but perhaps that is being just a little too nosy.
Hats off to you both - Valry
the CM is listed as "not yet examined". You can request it be examined
http://www.naa.gov.au/info/forms/acc-form.aspx
And once this has been done, it will probably be available
There would also be mention of the court marial in his WWII record which is also currently "not examined"
Trish
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:)
Valry, Are you still looking for information?
George Thomas Forfar is on my family tree; I have ancestor details if you are interested.
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Hi Kastanea, Have sent a pm to you - Valry
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Hi Valry,
I have been in contact for several years with Ann Forfar who lives in Victoria and is the daughter of Dougland Maitland Forfar. Her grandfather George Thomas Forfar was the brother of my grandfather James Honney Forfar. Are you in contact Ann? She is undertaking a 1 name study project on Forfars worldwide.
She has a wealth of info on the family but I have also given her info on the Forfars left behind in S.Wales. Would be happy to share my info with you or put you in contact with Ann.
Roger Jones
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Hi Roger,
I have stepped into the 'Forfar' family through the marriage of Ann's Grandfather Geo Thomas Forfar to May Dorothy E. Palmer - the Palmer's being my line of research. I would appreciate if you could put me in contact with Ann as I have no information after the 1940's when all three offspring (Dorothy, Douglas and George) joined the Army during WW2 and it would be good to tie up the family. I just may be able to help her in return with her grandmothers side.
Many thanks for contacting - p.s. noticed the surname. I have Jones born Haverfordwest who moved to Swansea - have now lost them!!!!
Valry
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Hello Valry
Sorry not to have replied earlier but have been overseas.
I have a family tree of Forfars going back to Thomas Forfar b. 1805 in Scotland (not sure where possibly Dumfreisshire). He was married to Mary ? (Kirkpatrick??) and their first son was James, born 1826 (possibly in Annan, Dumfreis).
James married Margaret Simons and their first son was James Alexander Maitland Forfar. He was born 15.4.1853 in Toxteth Park, Liverpool, and married Sarah Harriet Honney in 1873.
James and Sarah's third son was George Thomas Forfar, born 13 June 1891 in Toxteth Park, Liverpool, and who married May Dorothy Eustatia Palmer on 16 November 1914. George also lived in Cardiff, Wales, emigrating to Melbourne in 1923.
My link to this is through my maternal grandfather, William Forfar, born 1886 in Toxteth, son of William (b. 1857) who was the brother of James Alexander Maitland Forfar. He and his family lived in Cardiff, Dover and Southampton. The name Maitland seems to have been a family name as I have an uncle and cousin on my mother's side who also have Maitland as a second name.
If you would like the names of other ancestors I will be happy to give them to you.
I have not used Rootschat before, not sure what a pm is - yet! I hope the information is of use to you.
Best wishes
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Hi Kastanea,
I'm not sure if you saw my note to Valry in the last few days but my grandfather was James Honney Forfar and was the son of James Alexander Maitland Forfar. My grandfathers' middle name came from his mothers' maiden name, as was the custom in those days. I have traced the Forfars' back to ~1690 and agree with your names going back to 1805.
I have info on the Australian Forfars from Ann Forfar, the granddaughter of George Thomas Forfar. George and May Dorathy Eustatia Palmer had 6 children, 3 of whom were born in U.K., the 4th in Oct 1923, and the others in 1926 and 1933 respectively.
I am happy to share my data if you are interested, but Ann Forfar is the expert through her 1 name study project.
Best Wishes
Roger Jones
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Dear Roger
Thank you for your reply.
I have been collecting names and putting them into an Excel spreadsheet by families in date order (marriages then births), but it is very hard to connect families up. I have been acquiring lots of information before visiting Scotlands People so I don't waste too many credits!
I am really interested in the Scottish, Welsh and English Forfars, and presently I am trying to find the connection with Robert Forfar (mar. Margaret Roy in 1788 in Canongate, Edinburgh) and Thomas Forfar b. 1805. This Robert Forfar's grandson, Patrick Thomson Forfar b. 124.5.1829 in Orwell, Kinross, had a son called John Maitland Forfar, so I presume there must be a connection there.
I would be willling to share what I have, and would appreciate any information.
Thanks for your interest - nice to have contact with family members!
Best wishes
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Hi This link may help your lancs lookups
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
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Hi Dobfarm
Thankyou for that!
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