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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: Les de B on Monday 25 February 08 13:48 GMT (UK)
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Is it possible for some to check church records for the marriage of;
John WEST to Augusta MICHELL
1 April 1834
St. Michaels Bristol, Gloucestershire
This information was obtained from LDS but there are no references. I'm hoping if I can find a record of it, it may provide witnesses, fathers, or occupations, that may confirm its the marriage I want.
Thanks
Les
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Is this your family in the 1841 census?
1841 HO107/972/4 fol.38 p.19
Tauntfield Cottages, St Mary Magdalen, Taunton, Somerset
WEST
John 30 Wine Merchant
Augusta 25
Hannah 30 Ind.
John 5
Cyril 2
Guy 1
Elizabeth BEAL 25 F. S.
Ann PARSONS 23 F. S.
all except Augusta born in county
Just thought it might help with birthplaces, in 1851 the same parents (I think) show John born Taunton and Augusta born Sidmouth Devon
Barbara
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The Bristol & Avon Marriage Index 1813-1837 confirms the date and place of the marriage but gives no other information other than both bride and groom were of the parish and that the marriage was by banns.
If someone can look up the entry for you at the Bristol Records Office they would find the entry in:
St. Michael Marriage Register 3(e) 1826-1836 page 269 number 790
pritch
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To Barbara
Thanks for the Census info. I did have that, plus the other Censuses up to 1881 (including when they moved to Scotland for a short time). But while on the subject of the 1841 Census, what does "Ind" after Hannah, and "FS" after Anne and Elizabeth stand for?
I was thinking "Independant Means" and "Foreign Subject", but probably wrong ???
To Pritch
Thanks also for your reply. I tried Bristol Records Office, however, their research assistance is unavailable until end of 2008. I emailed the Bristol Family History Society with the references you supplied, and hopefully they may be able assist. If not, I can always put make another request here for a Bristol local to assist.
Les
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Hi Les,
Ind means of Independent means, F.S. is Female Servant
Does your later census information also confirm the birthplaces I mentioned? That should help to find their baptisms, parents, etc, which is why I gave those details.
Barbara
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Ind means of Independent means, F.S. is Female Servant
Does your later census information also confirm the birthplaces I mentioned? That should help to find their baptisms, parents, etc, which is why I gave those details.
Thanks Barbara for those meanings of the 1841 Censuses.
The 1861 Census is the one when the family were living in Scotland, and only shows birthplace as England. In saying that, John West, wasn't living them at the time, with the occupation of Augusta West indicating "wife of Mr West he is living in England" He was working in Scotland for the Electric Telegraph Company and presume he was in England as part of that job during the Census. I never followed him up in the 1861 English Census - maybe I should?
The 1871 Census has him a widower (wife Augusta died 1868) living with three of his children. He is still working for the Telegraph Company. Unfortunately, my notes don't indicate his place of birth as recorded on this Census.
The 1881 Census has him as a superanutee with GPO, and born in Taunton, Somerset (1810). He has remarried (1878), ironically, to another Augusta, some 27 years his junior!
Is this information any help?
Les
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Hi Les,
All census then give John's birthplace as Taunton, except for 1871 which curiously seems to give Winchester Somerset which surely must be a mistake.
Barbara
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All census then give John's birthplace as Taunton, except for 1871 which curiously seems to give Winchester Somerset which surely must be a mistake.
Barbara, thanks again for your help. Although I'm not a "local", I too thought Winchester was not in Somerset, but I've just found a possibility when doing a Google Map search for Winchester, Somerset ie; "Winchester House, Winchester Street, Taunton". The 1871 Census therefore may be correct for his birth?
Can I ask for one more favour if you can assist? Were you able to find him anywhere in the 1861 Census? As I previously indicated I found his wife and children in the Scottish 1861 Census, with his wife's occupation indicating "wife of Mr West, he is living in England".
Hopefully, a search for John West b.1810 (+ or - a couple of years) in Taunton(?), Somerset, should narrow it down. From at least 1858 he was working for the Electric and Telegraph Company (according to his occupation on daughter's Scottish Birth Cert), and 1864 (according to his occupation on son's Scottish Marriage Cert). The Post Office took over that company in 1870, and after that year, every other occupation (according to other related certificates) indicate he was working for the Post Office.
Thanks again,
Les
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Were you able to find him anywhere in the 1861 Census? As I previously indicated I found his wife and children in the Scottish 1861 Census, with his wife's occupation indicating "wife of Mr West, he is living in England".
Hopefully, a search for John West b.1810 (+ or - a couple of years) in Taunton(?), Somerset, should narrow it down.
Hi Les,
Have been looking in 1861 census but not found so far (using all variations!) - there are quite a few John Wests, none specifically born Taunton, so am going through them one by one. Will let you know if I find him
Barbara
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I see that in 1851 he was a 'Partner in a French Leather Manufactory in France' - perhaps that's where he was in 1861? Still unable to find him
Barbara
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I see that in 1851 he was a 'Partner in a French Leather Manufactory in France' - perhaps that's where he was in 1861? Still unable to find him
Yes, I saw that, but I think he was in England with the Electrical & Telegraph Company (E&TC). Here are his occupations after 1851;
1856 Superintendant E&TC - living Glasgow (son's Death Cert)
1857 Superintendant E&TC - living Edingburgh (daughter's Birth Cert)
1864 E&TC - living London(?) (son's Marriage Cert)
1868 Officer E&TC - living Kentish Town, Middlesex (wife's Death Cert)
(1870 General Post Office takes over E&TC)
1871 Solicitors Office, General Post Office - living St.Johns - (Census)
1878 Gentleman - living Hansworth, Warwick (his 2nd Marriage Cert)
1881 Superannuated GPO Solictor's Dept - living Folkstone, Kent (Census)
So in the 1861 Census I would presume he would with the E&TC, but where?
If you are having too much trouble trying to find him, don't worry. As you can see, I do have a bit on him and his family, though I do get frustrated with "missing pieces of the jigsaw puzzle".
Les
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Hi Les
I've seen you've posted on another thread about Michells in Cotleigh. I've done a fair bit of research on them, and there might be something useful for you there.
If you're interested, drop me a line!
Jamie