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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: katrina42 on Monday 25 February 08 13:15 GMT (UK)
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hi my gggg grans surname was either goztello or costello apparently greek origin,can anyone help me with this surname from ireland please
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There are no births on SP for this name pre 1855.
Between 1855-1860 there are 17 births mainly in the Glasgow area
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perhaps my gggg gran came from glasgow,my mother says we have greek roots and i thought that perhaps that is where the name came to ireland from, my romany heritage ?
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What info do you have? birth death or marriage.
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Hi this is the information i have found in the paisley marriages. catharine goztello or costello married owen horan at least i think it says owen i got this from the wedding cerificate of margaret horan and peter marren 1897 and was 22 when she married usual place of residence west dykebarr paisley.peter lived at 2 duke street paisley.
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Hi Katrina
There is a submitted entry on IGI for Margaret:
Margaret Horan Birth: 13 APR 1875, Mayo, Ireland
Parents: Owen Horan and Catherine Costello
Regards.
Monica :)
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I think this might be Peter and Margaret in 1901 with the surname mis-transcribed:
Peter Maxton 34, Steam Engine Maker (hitter), b. Kilbarchan, Renfrewshire
Margaret Maxton 26, b. Ireland
Mary Maxton 4, b. Paisley
Catherine Maxton 2, b. Paisley
Address: 19 Underwood Rd, Paisley
Monica
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I think someone has been researching this line already Katrina :) Also from IGI:
Catherine Costello Birth: About 1842 Of Cloonmine,Coontia, Lowpark, Mayo, Ireland
Marriages: Spouse: John Horan Marriage: About 1864 Of Cloonmine,Coontia, Lowpark, Mayo, Ireland
Whether father/husband's name was John or Owen, not sure at this stage how you would verify.
Monica
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hi monica i am confused with this post?
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hi monica i am confused with this post?
sorry monica didn't see last thread oops
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Also see other thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=288865.new
Link:
http://towns.mayo-ireland.ie/WebX?14@@.ee8792c
Hi Katie!
Can you please post up the full details of the 1897 marriage certificate - including all Peter's details and the witness'?
Aside from the surname spelling - Does the Census Monica found match what you know of them?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Also see other thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=288865.new
Link:
http://towns.mayo-ireland.ie/WebX?14@@.ee8792c
Hi Katie!
Can you please post up the full details of the 1897 marriage certificate - including all Peter's details and the witness'?
Aside from the surname spelling - Does the Census Monica found match what you know of them?
Cheers
AMBLY
yes what monica says matches perfectly
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Hi Katrina
So, we have the right family in 1901. We also have Margaret's birth place confirmed as Ireland (Co.Mayo from submitted IGI records). There is a submitted entry for a Catherine Costello born in Co. Mayo who married a John Horan. The reason I asked whether you were sure if the name of Margaret's father was Owen, is because of this birth/marriage record for Catherine Costello. If the writing on the 1998 marriage cert. is hard to read, it would be worthwhile you contacting SP so that they can send you out (via email these days) a clearer copy of the image.
Alternatively, you could look at Margaret's death cert to reconfirm father's name. You could also, as Ambly suggested earlier post the relevant section of the MC here on this thread for people to have a look at in order to help. Finally, if they followed Scottish naming pattern, you may well see the use of John rather than Owen in the naming of their sons (hard to say as censuses stop at 1901 at present).
As I mentioned earlier, it would appear that someone has already been researching this family given the number of submitted entries on family search.org. There are also further children showing for John Horan and Catherine Costello on IGI, all actual extracts from the records:
1. HONORIA HORAN Birth: 24 DEC 1865 0574, Lowpark, Mayo, Ireland
2. JOHN HORAN Birth: 31 MAY 1868 , Mayo, Ireland
3. PATRICK HORAN Birth: 26 NOV 1870 , Mayo, Ireland
4. Winefred Horan Birth: 05 JUL 1873 , Mayo, Ireland
It certainly feels as if this is Margaret Horan's family.
Regards.
Monica :)
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Katrina
As Ambly suggested, can you post the names of Peter's parents from the MC? I am curious about the accuracy/changes to his surname. I think the spelling of the 1901 entry is not incorrect. From IGI births:
PETER MAXTON 25 SEP 1866 Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland
Parents: JAMES MAXTON and CATHERINE MCDONALD
Are these the names showing on the MC for Peter's parents?
Regards.
Monica
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Katrina
I think we are going way off line here. The 1901 Census entry is not your Margaret. That 1901 entry is certainly for a Peter Maxton married to a Margaret xx but not Horan. The parents for this Peter Maxton were as I showed.
Your Peter's parents take us straight back to Co. Mayo with the surname MARREN:
Children to Patrick Marren and Mary Gallagher:
1. JOHN MARREN Birth: 24 JUL 1864 0483, Lowpark, Mayo, Ireland
2. PETER MARREN Birth: 23 SEP 1865 0486, Lowpark, Mayo, Ireland
3. PATRICK MARREN Birth: 23 SEP 1868 , Mayo, Ireland
4. HONORIA MARREN Birth: 17 JAN 1872 , Mayo, Ireland
Patrick and Peter are often interchangeable. Going by his age at marriage (27) in 1897, your Peter could actually have been born in 1868 and christened Patrick but also used the name Peter (quite common). This would assume that the Peter showing above b. 1865 had died early. Alternatively, your Peter was b. 1865, as above, as was just vague about his age (again quite common).
In conclusion, both lines MARREN and HORAN look to have their origins in Co. MAYO with a particular connection to LOWPARK, which I think is where you probably need to focus on your research.
Regards.
Monica
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There is an entry in the 1891 Census for a Peter Marren, 25, b. Ireland, dock labourer lodging with the Linchey family (also from Ireland) in Ardrossan, Ayrshire. Could well be your Peter having already come to Scotland.
Monica
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Katrina
I think we are going way off line here. The 1901 Census entry is not your Margaret. That 1901 entry is certainly for a Peter Maxton married to a Margaret xx but not Horan. The parents for this Peter Maxton were as I showed.
Your Peter's parents take us straight back to Co. Mayo with the surname MARREN:
Children to Patrick Marren and Mary Gallagher:
1. JOHN MARREN Birth: 24 JUL 1864 0483, Lowpark, Mayo, Ireland
2. PETER MARREN Birth: 23 SEP 1865 0486, Lowpark, Mayo, Ireland
3. PATRICK MARREN Birth: 23 SEP 1868 , Mayo, Ireland
4. HONORIA MARREN Birth: 17 JAN 1872 , Mayo, Ireland
Patrick and Peter are often interchangeable. Going by his age at marriage (27) in 1897, your Peter could actually have been born in 1868 and christened Patrick but also used the name Peter (quite common). This would assume that the Peter showing above b. 1865 had died early. Alternatively, your Peter was b. 1865, as above, as was just vague about his age (again quite common).
In conclusion, both lines MARREN and HORAN look to have their origins in Co. MAYO with a particular connection to LOWPARK, which I think is where you probably need to focus on your research.
Regards.
Monica
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On Katie's behalf, these are the details off the marriage certificate:
District of Paisley, County of Renfrewshire
14 Sep 1897, St Mirrin's Church, Paisley after Publication according to the forms of the Catholic Church
Groom:
(signed) Peter MARREN 27, General Labourer, Bachelor, of 2 Duke Street, Paisley
Father: Patrick MARREN, Farmer (dec), Mother: Mary MARREN, ms GALLACHER
Bride:
(signed) Marget (sic) HORAN 22, Farm Servant, Spinster, of West Dykebar, Paisley
Father: Owen HORAN, Farmer (dec), Mother: Catherine HORAN ms COSTELLO
Witness:
(signed)
Patrick KILLORAN
Ann BOYLE
A bit of history on the Church:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mirin's_Cathedral
Cheers ;D
AMBLY
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hi there
i cant beleive i came across this post. The witnesses at this wedding were Patrick Killoran and Ann Boyle- this was my great grandparents!!!! :)
you have made my day
cheers
barbara killoran
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hi there
i cant beleive i came across this post. The witnesses at this wedding were Patrick Killoran and Ann Boyle- this was my great grandparents!!!! :)
you have made my day
cheers
barbara killoran
I just wish i knew more about them myself Barbara but i am so glad it has made your day as you know where abouts they were in that era.I am stuck with trying to find out more about my past ..good luck with yours.
wishing you all the best
katrina
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Just came across this post, so hope it's not too late to answer!
My grandmother Kate (Catherine) Curley was born in a farm house in West Dykebar, Paisley in 1902. Her father Patrick Curley born in Doocastle, Co Mayo was a Ploughman on the farm in the 1911 census.
In the 1901 census in Great Hamilton St., Paisley, the boarder staying with Patrick Curley and his wife is Patrick Killolan, born Co Mayo (could be Killoran), age 24.
I think the Marron's, or any other way you wish to spell the name, were related to the Curley's in Doocastle. The reason for this being strong evidence! A lot of the above Patrick Curley's nieces and nephews all born in Doocastle, Mayo, gave the final destination when sailing to America as being Cooke, Illinois. Also had some cousins by the looks of it called Marron, sailing on the same ship,. And to stay with their Uncle Mr. Marron.
You can find this on The Ellis Island website, think it's 1915 with the keywords Kate Curley.
Hope this helps somebody out there.
Ray
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Thank you for getting back to me, i need to look further into this connection i will start with the link you sent.
king regards
KATRINA
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Hi Katrina,
Looked up Ellis Island records today. The link may be Annie Curley of Doocastle, sailed to US 1920, she's Kate's sister. The other sister Bridget went over also at some point to Chicago.
It has been a few years since I've looked up the records for these, sure there's a link to your family though!
Have you looked up the 1901 and the 1911 census, for Balindoo or Doocastle in Co Mayo? The small village is awash with M*r*n's, Horan's, Killoran's, Curley's, Gallagher's etc. Was lucky enough to find my 2x gr. parents in both census's. You might get lucky!
Would imagine at that time, a lot of the families in such a small community, would be all inter-related!
Good luck on your quest,
Ray
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I will see if I can access the Irish census tonight and get back to you.thank you kindly for the information.
Katrina
Posted on behalf of Katrina who had clicked on the wrong button ;)
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Sorry about that i don't understand how that happened as i replied to the above via my email ?
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Hi Katrina,
If you reply to the notification the email simply comes back to RootsChat. To reply you need to click on the link and press the reply button.
Regards
Sarah :)