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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: szwena on Monday 25 February 08 11:07 GMT (UK)
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Hi there,
I would really appreciate if someone with access to free info could look stuff up for me. I'm from belfast and discovered i have a number of relatives who moved to Sydney australia around late 1850s early 1860s I know one of them peter francis hart was an alderman in the Sydney council in the 1870s and 1880s and was a property developer. I also know he had a brother (don't know name) who moved from belfast with him. Both would have born late 1830s and early 1840s and both would have been in the carpentry building trade.
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Hello and welcome :)
What were you wanting to find out in particular?
Raylen
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Hi,
I found a mention of Peter Hart on the following website:
http://www.therocks.com/sydney-Discover-Heritage_History-The_Port_City.htm He's mentioned near the bottom of the page.
The Rocks was the first area in Sydney to be settled. For a while it was a real rough area. The area was to be demolished in the 1970s, but a ban by the Builders Labourers Federation preserved the area. It is now a fantastic place to visit with heaps of great pubs, restaurants, cafes, art gallerys and shops.
I just had a re-read of the article. I know Hart's Pub, though I haven't been in there. If I get a chance in the next few days, I'll go take a photo for you.
Debbie
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Found some photos
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02tg/
Think there are 3 all up. Hit Next at the bottom of the page.
Debbie
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From the City of Sydney website.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02th/ (http://www.rootschat.com/links/02th/)
Need to scroll down. The names are in alphabetical order.
Debbie
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Another mention.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02ti/ (http://www.rootschat.com/links/02ti/)
Also mentions daughter Maggie and niece May.
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Just some more quick bits before I go home.
The following are all from the NSW BDM site with parents Peter and Elizabeth.
Births
1874 HART, Marian born Gundagai
1877 HART, Elizabeth Hanora born Gundagai
1867 HART, Peter F born Berrima
1870 HART, James born Gundagai
1871 HART, Margaret born Sydney
Marriage
1865 HART, Peter and MURRAY, Elizabeth at Berrima
Debbie
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Hi Debbie,
Thanks for doing all that work, i found the websites after i posted the message, doh! But you managed to find photo's that's terrific and a list of children. A great start for me!
If anyone reading this has any connection with these names, give me a shout. Once again thanks Debbie and if you need any look ups in Belfast give me a shout.
Szwena
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Could some kind person look some info up for me if they have access. Mary Jane Smyth married Peter francis hart in Sydney in 1900. But im not sure if she married Peter F Hart Jr born in 1867 or his dad Peter Francis Hart born Belfast 1840. i just need details of the grooms age and father and mother, that will solve a big mystery for me.
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Hi Szwena,
Marriage of snr in 1865
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13102150
Death of Elizabeth wife of snr
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14057272
Well here's all mentions of Peter Francis Hart in family notices in SMH but I can't see that 1900 marriage announcement. Still looking ...
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?l-title=35&q=%22peter+francis+hart%22~2&l-category=Family+Notices
cheers,
Ros
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The marriage is registered under SMITH not SMYTH.
9401/1900
HART Peter F
SMITH Mary J
Registered at Paddington
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistory.htm
Leanne
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At death of Peter Francis Hart JP in 1920 he is husband of Mary Jane Hart and he was aged 52 years
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16869856
cheers,
Ros
Adding : and he was known as Frank
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Hi,
1875 Sydney Directory.
Hart Peter F., builder, Hart's buildings, off Glousceter St.
Regards
Gerry
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Perhaps this is his arrival:
Assisted passage
Peter HART, 19, labourer, native place: Antrim, can read and write, Roman Catholic
On the Palmyra arr 27 May 1859
No other HART listed on that voyage.
Just for your interest, Berrima (where the marriage was registered) is a lovely old (for us here in Oz) village with many buildings from the 1830s-1850s. http://www.berrimavillage.com.au/
Judith
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Hi Ros,
would appreciate that. There was some confusion because in the sydney biographes of their aldermen, they mention a possible marriage between Peter senior and Mary Jane Smith but it wasn't confirmed. I looked it up on the NSW BDM and they have a marriage between Peter and Mary listed but it ddn't give all the details. I was just hoping someone has more info or had free access to those records
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Sorry didn't see the rest of the replies there.
Thanks everyone for the info.
Ros you have definately solved the mystery, Mary jane must have been married to the Peter the son, because Peter the alderman died in 1917. Does the JP stand for justice of the peace or do you think thats suppossed to be JR?
Just wish i had the money to visit Sydney there seems to be lots of terrific places to visit that are connected with my family.
Thanks again!
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Hi Szwena,
I think it is JP for Justice of the Peace.
Here is an obit to P F Hart in jan 1918
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15781237
cheers,
Ros
And here is the death announcement (referred to in the obit)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15789255
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And here is the 1900 marriage announcement :)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14348659
HART—SMITH.—October 22, 1900, at St. Francis' Church,
Paddington, by the Rev. J. Joyce, O.S.F., Peter Francis
(Frank) only son of P.F. Hart, J.P., Sydney, to Mary
Jane, eldest daughter of W. T. A. Smith, Paddington.
cheers,
Ros