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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: beansgram on Sunday 24 February 08 05:22 GMT (UK)
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hello fellow chatters i am trying to verify or disprove some info in my file the earliest burts in my file
edward burt birthdate and parents unknown
married janet hadstoun [not sure of surname spelling] may 2 1648 dunfermline
she was born march 6 1625 where unknown
children...
james 1649
andrew 1651
john 1652
janet 1662
isobel 1665
edward 1668 all supposedly born in dunfermline but am not positive of that beans
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Christenings on SP
17/12/1649 BURT JAMES EDWARD BURT/JONET HADISTOUN FR658 M Dunfermline /FIFE
24/08/1662 BURT JONET EDUART BURT/JONET HADSTON FR760 F Dunfermline /FIFE
08/01/1665 BURT ISSOBELL EDUARD BURT/JONET HADSTON FR776 F Dunfermline /FIFE
16/04/1668 BURT EDWARD EDWARD BURT/JONET HADSTOUN FR799 M Dunfermline /FIFE
There is 1 possible entry for Edward going by the naming tradition
02/04/1626 BURD EDWARD born to JAMES BURD/CRISTIANE FURD FR392 U Falkirk /STIRLING
Also the marriage record you have
02/05/1648 BURT EDWART married JONET HADSTOUN/FR647 M Dunfermline /FIFE
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Good morning
I am descended from the Burt family. My great-grandfather migrated from Scotland to Dunedin, New Zealand around 1906. He was James Burt. My grandmother was his second child. I understand that great-grandfather's parents were Andrew Burt born 28th November 1813 i Falkirk, Stirlingshire and Mary Murray born C.1812 in Dunfermline. I have contradictory evidence that she (Mary Murray) married Andrew Burt born 21st March 1816 in Dunfermline.
Others, researching the family ties with Falkirk, would take the former line - I do not know what to believe.
As well I am trying to establish a connection between the Burt family and the Milne family because of a recurring mention of Milne in given names of grandmother's generation onwards and have found a connection via Mary a daughter of Andrew Burt and Mary Murray who was born in Dunfermline 18th January 1846.
If you have any clues I would be grateful for assistance.
Regards
Barrie McBride
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Hi Barrie this is a Headstone inscription from Layes Road Cemetery Dunfermline BURT / MILINE photo attached
1406 Erected by Isabella MILINE in memory of her husband
George BURT who was killed at Lochside Mine
23.6.1909 age 40
Norrie G
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Thanks for that.
Great picture.
Barrie
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Hi Barrie,
One of the Mayer connections to your tree, Allison Scott Mayer, married a Robert Ballantyne in Portobello, 1896, Robert's Mother was Isabella Milne. Perhaps the origin of the Milne name in your side, other Mayers also have Milne as second forenames.
Cheers,
Duncan.
P.S. They were connected to Robert Burt 1855 by marriage.
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I've also Burt's from Fife - my 6/7th? G G/Mother was
a Janet Burt - who married William Rutherford - Rutherford's
where from Wester Weymss and Scoonie.
Other connections in/around that area Tarvitt (sp) Horsburgh,
Simpson.
Happy New year to all.
Anne - Edinburgh
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I have been following your correspondence about the Burt family with great interest. I am researching an ancestor named Robert Burt and am hoping you may be able to help me. From ScotlandsPeople, and censuses, I know that he married Margaret Watt in 1823 in East Lothian and that they had five children: Andrew, David, Elizabeth, John and Robert. The OPR of Robert's death (1859, Edinburgh) gives his parents as Andrew, a weaver, deceased, and Nancy Williams, deceased. I understand that the names Nancy and Agnes are interchangeable, so I think that he may be the son of Andrew Burt and Agnes Williamson, born Baldridge, Fife in 1801.
I have read another series of posts about Burt History and there is some correlation between what I have and the information posted. I am confused however by discrepancies between the IGI and ScotlandsPeople. Although both agree on Robert's marriage date and place, they differ on the birthdates of his children and I can't find any records on ScotlandsPeople for the birth of Robert to Andrew and Agnes. Does any of this ring a bell for anyone? Would you have a suggestion for how I might resolve this problem? I live in Australia so am unable to see original documents in person.
Grateful any assistance or advice anyone could give.
Cheers
Earl
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HI Earl,
There are two Robert Burts who died 1859 in Edinburgh, which district was the one you think correct, Canongate or St. George?
Duncan.
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Earl
Robert Burt, widower, 61 y/o upholsterer, whose death is in Canongate District in 1859 is given as the son of Andrew Burt, weaver, and Nancy Williams. Informant son Robert H. Burt. Cause of death is a bit novel - exhaustion after intemperance!
The other Robert Burt who died in St George district, Edinburgh 1859 was the 6 mo/o son of George Burt, nailer, and Margaret Marshall.
Andrew Burt, nailmaker, 72 y/o husband of Helen Leatham, died in St Giles District, Edinburgh in 1886. He was the son of James Burt, nailmaker, and Mary Mitchell. I think Helen was Andrew's 2nd wife. He was previously married to Mary Murray.
Dod
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Earl
Meant to say that informant at Andrew's death in 1886 was son Robert. Name and relationship of informant is often useful.
Dod.
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Dear Duncan and Dod
Thanks very much for your responses and for confirming my understanding of the details of Robert Burt's death. My Robert Burt is the St George (intemperate!) one.
My problem remains finding a record of his birth that matches the details given on his death certificate (ie for Robert Burt, son of Andrew Burt, a weaver, and Nancy/Agnes William/Williams/Williamson, around 1801). The confusion comes with the different information provided on the IGI, which could be completely wrong, another person altogether or a misreading/misrepresentation of details related to this Robert (case in point - Nancy and Agnes being interchangeable). I think the key piece of information to confirm in any record of birth will be that it is a record for a Robert Burt, son of Andrew, a weaver. Does this sound reasonable to you? Important to note is that I can find NO record of such a person on ScotlandsPeople, which would suggest that I have run out of options. Have you had any similar experience of this kind of a problem and how did you get around it?
Kind Regards
Earl
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Earl
You could start with the Scottish Census 1851 for Robert Burt of approximately correct age i.e. around 53 (I see there are only 2 hits). Although not 100% acurate if might give you a pointer to birth place and birth year. Surname may have been mis-spelled on transcription of OPR or forename not given. Children found on census might give clue to grandparents via naming pattern. You may have to get children from 1841 Census which is less detailed than 1851. Once you are happier with birthplace a detailed look at the appropriate OPRs might yield a result.
George
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The 1851 Census image for Robert Burt (52) upholsterer master employing 2(?) people, is very poor quality. Birthplace has been corrected. Looks like "Fifeshire, D???????" (could be Dunfermline or, less likely as far as I can see, Dysart. Wife Marharet (50) born Haddington (East Lohian), Whittinghame as is older son David (27), journeyman tailor. Younger son Robert (14) born Midlothian Edinburgh. Location at Census is Maxtons Court, Pleasance, Edinburgh. Since marriage was in 1822 there could well have been other children who had moved on by 1851.
Neither of the 2 Robert Burts aged 40 in 1841 Census seem to be correct family. Looks like you are stuck with a laborious search through Fife births around 1799.
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Dear Dod,
Yes, the 1851 Census for Robert Burt is a horror! I agree that I need to look at births in Fife and, based upon the census information and that of Robert's death record on SP (son of Andrew, weaver, deceased and Nancy William(s)) I have been looking for births over a period covering both. The only birth I have found is for 1801 to Andrew Burt and Agnes Williamson (IGI). As ScotlandsPeople advises that Agnes and Nancy are interchangeable names I think this is a strong possibility. However I can find no record of it on Scotlandspeople. Should I therefore be concerned about the validity of the record? I would welcome your advice.
Regards,
Carmen
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Carmen
The (about) 1801 birth is a Submitted Record and I think these should be treated with caution. Can you get details of this submission?
There is an Extracted Entry - Christening: 11 JAN 1795 Dunfermline Associate Session, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland for a Robert Burt to Andrew Burt and Agnes W along with several others to Andrew Burt and Agnes THOMSON. Worth a closer look. The 1795 date is a bit earlier than suggested in the death and Census records. Maybe a pre-deceasd Robert. Cherck Fife Deaths?
Sorry I can't be more helpful. I'm not researching Burts so my knowledge is very limited.
Dod
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Marriage on SP
30/06/1787 BURT ANDREW and AGNES WILLIAMSON at Torryburn /FIFE
Baptisms from OPR's on SP
11/03/1798 BURT JOHN son of ANDREW BURT/AGNES WILLIAMSON at Dollar /CLACKMANNAN
19/10/1800 BURT WILLIAM son of ANDREW BURT/AGNES WILLIAMSON at Dollar /CLACKMANNAN
There is a large thread on the Burts here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,288275.0.html
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Hi Carmen,
Scotlandspeople OPR Birth record for that parish might not go that far back, IGI records have to be proven elsewhere as most are family remembered history that far back and not always correct.
Found this don't know if it relates to your Burts:
1851 Census: CSSCT1851_88:
Dysart, St.Clairton, Fife:
Robert Burt, Head, 43years, Hand Loom Weaver, Dysart, Fife.
Margt. Cusin, (Margt. Kay), Wife, 40years, Stayning, Sussex.
Catherine Burt, Daur., 11years, Hand Loom Weaver, Dysart, Fife.
Margaret Burt, Daur., 10years, Scholar, Dysart, Fife.
Janet Burt, Daur., 7years, Scholar, Dysart, Fife.
Alexr. Burt, Son, 4years, Dysart, Fife.
Mary Burt, Daur., 1year, Dysart, Fife.
Catherine Kay, Mother-in-law, 59years, Bobbin Winder, Dysart, Fife.
Most of the other Dysart, Roberts were Miners or Masons/Quarriers, that I checked through.
Regards,
Duncan.