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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Oxfordshire => England => Oxfordshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: woozle on Saturday 23 February 08 18:09 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
I'm hunting for the existance of any children born in STANDLAKE to Thomas Stevenson and Mary Gibbs between 1747 when they married and 1759.
Is there a kindly soul who would have a look for me?? ;D ;D.
Cheers
Woozle
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Hi Wozzle,
I cannot find any on the IGI born in Standlake, Oxford.
Its a long shot but all I could find. :-\
Thomas Stevenson ch.1.10.1749 Lissington, Lincoln
Father thomas Mother Mary.
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I have checked parish registers for Standlake cannot find any births or their marriage at Standlake.
Sorry Regards
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IGI Marriage of
Thomas Stevenson b about 1722 Standlake Oxford. spouse Mary Gibbs 21.2.1747
Buckland , Berkshire.
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Thanks Patrish, Toby
It was a long shot that would have made my day but if they weren't there they weren't there. I though I'd found a long (very) lost Robert Stimpson under the name Stevenson but to prove it i had to find T&M producing kids outside of Buckland. 'Twas not to be.
Thanks again for your help.
Regards
Woozle
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Hi Woozle,
Perhaps all is not lost. I have Stevenson ancestors who lived in East Hanney, Berks. The names Thomas and Robert
appear in every generation. It is possible that your Robert
might be one of my lot. I don't have details on all the sibling
marriages, but if you give me whatever information you have,
I'll take a look and see if I can find any likely candidates. Feel free to send me a PM. If I can't help, I may be able to
put you in touch with someone who can.
By the way, the real Buckland marriage appears to have been that of a Thomas STEPHENS and Mary Gibbs. The IGI entry which you saw and Patrish quoted above, was a submission from an LDS church member, not an extraction from the parish register. The IGI also has the Stephens-Gibbs marriage ( extracted from PR), but it does not come up
if you search for a Thomas Stevenson marriage. I searched for Mary Gibbs and found the two marriages, same day, same place. Of course, you would need to see the original
record (fiche or CD) to be absolutely sure that the name really is Stephens and not Stevenson.
Regards,
Carmela
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Hi Carmela.
Thanks for your reply. I though I'd write here just in case the problem rings a bell with anyone else reading it.
Here goes.
I have a marriage of Robert Simpson to Martha Buckingham in 1787 in Abingdon. Robert was given as coming from Buckland. There is one family of stimpsons only producing children in Buckland, thomas and Mary but with no Robert. Robertand Martha produced their children elizabeth, William, James, Hannah and Barnet in Fyfield and Tubney and most of them carried on living there. Unfortunately there is no death in any of the records for Robert or Martha (save one in Appleton for Martha) so i have no dates for their births.
I read a post by someone who had Stevenson as a variation of stimpson so more for something to do than anything else i typed Robert Stevenson in the IGI and came up with one born buckland 1758 t thomas and Mary and everything fits, parents names, place, date. Oh I was a happy bunny! 8 years of searching at an end. Until.. i found this out of place thomas Stevenson marrying Mary. Depression.
So I though if I could find them producing other children elsewhere than maybe everything would fallinto place.
That is about all i can tell you.
Let me know if you need any other info.
Thanks a lot
Woozle
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Hi Woozle,
I have not had much time today, but I did turn up a
a marriage that might be of interest, if you don't already have it: Thomas Simpson
Mary Clemson
married 16 May, 1750, Appleton with Eaton
Your mentioning that Martha died in Appleton made me think that there might be a possibility that these are Robert's parents, however I did not find any children for this pair, but then I have no idea where they lived after the wedding.
I don't think that it is very likely that your Robert Simpson was really Robert Stevenson. Stimpson and Simpson were
variants of Stevenson, but it's still quite a leap from Stevenson to Simpson. I think the transition was from Stevenson to Stimpson and then to Simpson. Stimpson seems to have been the way Stevenson was pronounced
in the local dialect/accent and over time it came to be written
as such. My Stevensons retained the name as Stevenson and I have never come across it being written as Stimpson.
I'll give your problem some more thought and see if I can find anything else. May be a few days before I have time.
Cheers,
Carmela
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Hi Carmela
Lovely, thank for replying. I agree that Simpson to Stevenson was a bit of a long shot. But I ran out of ideas a while back. As Robert was from Buckland it seemed logical that Thomas Simpson and Mary Clemson were his parents (they were the only Buckland Stimpsons at the time. Just haven't been able to prove it hence my considering Thomas and Mary Stevenson.
After the wedding they went to live in Fyfield/Tubney and then disappear and I have found no death for Robert in N.Berks so far.
Have now started to examine transportation to colonies, prison, insanity, extra-terrestrials and holy orders.
If you have any ideas they would be most welcome as I have a large and unsightly bump on my forehead due to the constant banging of it against brick walls.
Thanks again
Regards
Woozle
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Hi - I have just got chance to have a bit of a look at this. I checked the Appleton transcripts to see what info there was on that marriage entry - it gives
marriage May 16th 1750
Thomas Simpson of Buckland to Mary Climson wid
So this is pretty definitly the marriage of the Buckland couple, interesting that Mary was a widow, there are no other Climson/Clemson entries in the Appleton registers.
I then checked the baptisms in Buckland for Thomas & Mary's family and found
1750 James s/o Thomas & Mary Simpson
1752 William s/o Thomas & Mary Stimpson
1761 Elizabeth d/o Thomas & Mary Stimpson
1763 William s/o Thomas & Mary Stimpson
I am sure you have seen these and noticed the gap, 52 - 61 looking through the baptisms year by year I found
1758 Robert s/o Thomas & Mary Stevenson
Now there are no other Stevenson entries in the Buckland registers at all at this time, and with the names of the parents being the same and it fitting neatly in the gap, and bearing in mind your comments about the pronunciation of the name I still think that this is a very good candidate for the baptism of 'your' Robert, I am not sure why you have discounted it quite so quickly?
Debbie
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Hi Debbie.
Thanks for hunting for me. Still here looking for expletive Robert.
In short, to answer your question about discounting Robert, exasperation. As Carmela found too there is an unfortunate Thomas and Mary Stevenson marriage in Buckland in 1747(?) which doesn't come up normally, but it is definitely there. If they hadn't been there then i would have accepted it immediately but they are there albeit only for the wedding. Hence my reason for searching for children of Thomas and Mary Stevenson. If I found other children, or any children born to them elsewhere it might put Robert back in the frame, especially if they had a child, say in 1757/8/9.
It seems strange that they marry in 1747 and disappear for 11 years and come back to Buckland and have just one son. Thomas Stevenson was from Standlake but we've discovered that they weren't there.
Carmela made an interesting point though which i have been chewing over most of the day, that Stevenson was perhaps pronounced Stimpson. As a result I though just because I'm hard headed, to try to find the incumbents/parish clerks for the period to see if coincidentally at the end of the seventeen fifties the incumbent changes for a less literate one. You never know.
I'm really clutching at straws at the mo as I can't find my Robert's death. Jamaja has also found a connection to his wife Martha Buckingham and she can't find his death either.
In the light of this, have you any ideas? ANY, even the most outrageous would be very welcome. Perhaps between you and Carmela (fresh blood as it were) something will emerge to trigger a new path. Here's hoping.
Thanks Debbie
Woozle
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Hi
According to my transcripts (OFHS) that marriage was for a Thomas Stephens (not Stephenson) of Standlake, and looking at Standlake registers I can see a baptism
1756 John s/o Thomas & Mary Stephens so it looks as though Stephens is correct, though there are also baptisms around that time for children of Thomas & Elizabeth Stephens which is a bit confusing
I will mull it over a bit more and see if I can come up with anything else
Debbie
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Thanks Debbie.
What a mess! Seriously thinking about changing my name by deed poll and getting a whole new set of findable ancestors.
Cheers
Woozle
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Hi Woozle,
Sorry I had to disappear for a while, as real life has been interfering with my genealogical pursuits. I have now looked through my files and nothing there fits with your people. I have also reviewed the posts on here and can see no obvious (or not so obvious) solution to your problem.
Before I go any further, I should point out that the second
Buckland marriage that I found, suggests that there was no
Thomas Stevenson marriage (except perhaps in the wishful thinking of who ever submitted that entry to the IGI). In the more trustworthy extracted entry, the name is Stephens, not
Stevenson. There were people named Stephens/Stevens in
nearby villages and that Thomas probably belonged to one of those families. So, I would dismiss the Buckland marriage and any connection to Standlake and concentrate on the Stimpsons/Simpsons.
The parish register entries found by Debbie indicate that the vicar or clerk did confuse Stimpson and Simpson, so perhaps
Stevenson was yet another mistake. I think it is likely that your Robert was a child of Thomas and Mary Simpson or Stimpson, born in that 10 year gap. The only problem is , how on earth do go about proving it ? A will would be nice.
You might check to see if Thomas Stimpson or Simpson did leave a will. I don't know what he did for a living, but even
small tradesmen or craftsmen sometimes made wills. It's worth looking.
I am going to send you a PM with contact details for a most helpful person, who is doing a small one-name-study of the names Stevenson, Stimpson, Stimsom, Simpson, et. al. in Berks/Oxon. I hope he can help you.
Regards,
Carmela
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Thanks Carmela
I haven't been on for a while either.
We've been hammering away at PRs with no luck so maybe expansion wouldn't go amiss.
Thanks for your help.