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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: welshspencer on Friday 22 February 08 21:53 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
Iam trying to find the marriage of George Cain born c 1828 Greenford/Perry Wate, Middlesex, England married to Fanny c 1834 Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, England.
they have 9 Children
Annie 1857 Middlesex, England
Jane 1857 Ealing, Middlesex, England
Fanny 1860 Ealing, Middlesex, England
Amos 1865 Ealing, Middlesex, England
William 1868 Ealing, Middlesex, England
Alice 1870 Ealing, Middlesex, England
Mary Ann 1873 Ealing, Middlesex, England
Edwin George (known as George) 1874 Ealing, Middlesex, England
Harry 1880 Ealing, Middlesex, England
and if possible the marriage of his parents
George Cain b 1795 Yateley, Hampshire, England married a Jane 1794 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
having trouble finding the births of george 1828 and George 1795...
I know Edwin George married Jane jones 6 oct 1897 Llandovery,Breconshire, Carmarthenshire
Kind Regards
Russell
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Hi Russell,
What do you think?
George Cane Born 2 March 1795 Christened 15 March 1795 Yateley Hampshire
Parents George Cane and Dinah
Possible Siblings
Mary Christened 20 February 1791 Heckfield
Elizabeth Born 2 January 1793 Christened 13 January 1793 Yateley
Mary Born 2 January 1793 Christened 13 January 1793 (asume first Mary died?) Yateley
Frances :)
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Hi Russell,
Dinah's surname looks odd, I will see if I can find her.
George Cane married Dinah Baiyly 31 January 1791 Heckfield
FHL Film 1041307
Frances :)
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Extracted record from the IGI
George Cane married Fanny Matthews 2 January 1854 Christ Church Ealing
Frances :)
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1851 census HO107 1699 folio 75
Greenford Road Ealing Middlesex
Richard Cane 54 Head Married Farm labourer Greenford Middlesex
Sarah Cane 52 Wife Married Acton Middlesex
George Cane 23 Son Farm Labourer Greenford Middlesex
Caroline Cane 20 Daughter Ealing Middlesex
Alfred Cane 18 Son Farm Labourer Ealing Middlesex
Fredrick Cane 11 Son Ealing Middlesex
Frederick's birth certificate would give you his mother's maiden name
Births Mar 1840
Cane Frederick Brentford 3 8
Regards
Valda
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FREDERICK CANE
Christening: 02 FEB 1840 Saint Mary The Virgin, Perivale, London
Father: RICHARD CANE
Mother: SARAH
ELIZA CANE
Birth: 20 MAR 1835
Christening: 26 APR 1835 Saint Mary The Virgin, Perivale, London
Father: RICHARD CANE
Mother: SARAH
ALFRED CANE
Birth: 01 NOV 1832
Christening: 09 DEC 1832 Saint Mary The Virgin, Perivale, London
Father: RICHD. CANE
Mother: SARAH
CAROLINE CANE
Birth: 19 OCT 1830
Christening: 21 NOV 1830 Saint Mary The Virgin, Perivale, London
Father: RICHARD CANE
Mother: SARAH
MARY ANN CANE
Christening: 30 APR 1826 Saint Mary The Virgin, Perivale, London
Father: RICHARD CANE
Mother: SARAH
Regards
Valda
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1841 census HO107 689/9 folio 37
Greenford Road Ealing
Richard Cane 40 Ag lab
Sarah Cane 30
John Cane 15 Ag lab
George Cane 12
Caroline Cane 10
Alfred Cane 9
Eliza Cane 6
Fredrick Cane 1
all born Middlesex
next household
William Cane 35 Ag lab
Mary Cane 30
Thomas Cane 11
Emma Cane 8
Edward Cane 7
Susan Cane 5
Harriet Cane 1
all born Middlesex
1851 census HO107 1699 folio 158
Matlock Lane Ealing Middlesex
William Cane 51 Head Farm Labourer Married Greenford Middlesex
Mary Cane 41 Wife Married Berkshire N K
Thomas Cane 20 Son Farm Labourer
Emma Cane 18 Daughter
Edwards Cane 16 Son
Susan Cane 12 Daughter
Harriett Cane 8 Daughter
Sarah Cane 5 Daughter
George Cane 4 Son
Louisa Cane 1 Daughter
children all born Ealing
There is no coverage of Greenford parish registers on the IGI
Regards
Valda
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Hi All
Thank you for all your help.
Frances its great you found the birth of George Cain/Cane as I could not find it on the IGI?? and still can not....were did you find it?
George Cane Born 2 March 1795 Christened 15 March 1795 Yateley Hampshire
Parents George Cane and Dinah
The only one I could Find is
GORGE CANE 01 MAR 1795 Basingstoke, Hampshire, England
Parents James and Elizabeth
Basingstoke is 12 miles from Yateley, so i thought this to be a good match, until you found the George Cane Christened in Yateley.
But Valda has thrown up a Problem. I had the parents of George 1828 Greenford/Perry Wate, Middlesex, England as being a George and Jane because I found a Birth for a George Edward Cane 28 FEB 1830 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England Shoreditch is 11 miles from Greenford. so then I assumed that Georges Father was George 1795 yatley.
But Valda has produced Census showing the correct George cane born 1828 at Greenford to be the son of Richard and Sarah Cane. so it looks like i went of a wild gooose chase with the George b 1795, as I should be looking for a Richard.... it so easy to go up the wrong line. this website is great as it has put me back on track a number of times.... Two mind are always better than one....
I hope this makes sence..... whats your thoughts
Regards
Russell
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And as the Greenford reg are not covered by the IGi that would explain why I can not find george 1828 Birth..
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' so then I assumed that Georges Father was George 1795 yatley.'
Assumed in family history terms basically means I don't know, or at best I have little or no evidence to prove it. Which if you are not careful means 'I will shoe horn' something into fit anyway.
If somebody says they are born in Greenford that really isn't the same as Shoreditch which is now in the East End of the centre of London, but was then just outside the square mile of the City of London. Greenford Middlesex is way out on the west side of Greater London towards Heathrow airport.
Neither is Basingstoke the same as Yateley.
They really are not good matches and pursuing family history this way just means inevitably you will begin to research someone elses family or families' history.
The IGI is a very imperfect index with coverage of some of these Middlesex parishes none existant. Coverage of Hampshire parishes for instance pre 1813 is at best around 43% of some parishes which are covered for some periods. In other counties the coverage drops as low as 2%. In others it is much higher.
Just because you haven't found a match from the IGI doesn't mean there isn't a baptism to find it just means it isn't on the IGI.
Regards
Valda
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Russell,
As per Valda's find "Perry Wate" should in fact be Perivale ...
And Valda's find of the family in 1851, I think should read Mattock Lane ...
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Thank you all
I am back on the right path.... are the greeford bap reg still at the Church, as there only seems to be ref to the marriage records of that parish..
Regards
Russell
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Contact the London Metropolitan Archives and see whether the registers have been deposited.
Regards
Valda
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Thanks Valda ;D
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' so then I assumed that Georges Father was George 1795 yatley.'
Assumed in family history terms basically means I don't know, or at best I have little or no evidence to prove it. Which if you are not careful means 'I will shoe horn' something into fit anyway.
If somebody says they are born in Greenford that really isn't the same as Shoreditch which is now in the East End of the centre of London, but was then just outside the square mile of the City of London. Greenford Middlesex is way out on the west side of Greater London towards Heathrow airport.
Neither is Basingstoke the same as Yateley.
They really are not good matches and pursuing family history this way just means inevitably you will begin to research someone elses family or families' history.
The IGI is a very imperfect index with coverage of some of these Middlesex parishes none existant. Coverage of Hampshire parishes for instance pre 1813 is at best around 43% of some parishes which are covered for some periods. In other counties the coverage drops as low as 2%. In others it is much higher.
Just because you haven't found a match from the IGI doesn't mean there isn't a baptism to find it just means it isn't on the IGI.
Regards
Valda
Hi I am Greenford Based - 'man and boy' lol
Greenford is in fact 13 miles west of the City of London in the heart of Middlesex. If you wish to contact the parish church just google ' Greenford Magna' and top of the list is is the parish website - contact: Rev. Neil Richardson. Second on the list should be my Greenford website.
Greenman
PS. Mattock Lane is in Ealing Broadway, W5 Just south of the Uxbridge Road.
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The parish registers for Holy Cross Church Greenford are still with the church and have not been deposited or filmed.
I've got the name and address details of the parish archivist, if you need them please let me know. Although he does look-ups, it's a nice idea if you make a donation to the church for doing so.
Dawn