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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: gormangenealogy on Tuesday 19 February 08 19:51 GMT (UK)
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How very sad. As far as I know, there is a rule that after a certain number of years a grave can be deemed to be "empty" to allow for further burials, but I thought that applied where families wanted to use a grave that had been used for the maximum number of burials.
Is Glasnevin in the care of the Corpo? Perhaps a complaint to your local Councillors might prompt them to reconsider, although looking at the photo it just might be too late. If you knew the precise location of your grandfather's final resting place, maybe the could be persuaded to let you buy the plot?
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Hi Noel
This does seem sad, doesn't it? You seem to have done better onthe second attempt though.
I looked at this the other day before I saw youur Thomas Hoey photograph, and I just had a feeling about Glasnevin!
You must have read my mind. I didn't have the gaul to ask if there were anyI Hoeys there without any details! Thank you anyway!
Emms
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Hi Noel, I hope you are well. At the end of last year I finally found the grave of my G.grandmother in Glasnevin cemetery, this, after a four year search! I have to say the people in the office were most helpful in searching the records. I had no idea what date she died, all I did have was the address she had lived at. I was giving a print out of the date the funeral took place (Oct.1925) the day, and yes, even down to the time! This information enabled me to get her death certificate. I was also given a very precise map as to the situation of the grave. It was explained to me she had died in th "Union" and as they (the family)were unable to afford their own grave she was interred in a plot which has since been purchased by another family. In effect she is buried beneath this family and, as they are the graves owners we were informed we would not be allowed to place anything on that grave.
Bridget x
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I was in Glasnevin Cemetery today. Never realised how big it is, but must congratulate them on their records. Good to see the cemetery being tidied up too. I was there with someone visiting a Holy Angels plot which is very untidy. A very kind gentleman showed us the earlier Holy Angels plot that has been tidied up. I hope they do a similar job on the later plots. There are thousands of babies buried in those plots, not all of them stillborn. It occurred to me that many of these babies could have been counted in the "number of children born" on census forms and family historians could be searching for them in local cemeteries unaware that babies who died before the mother left the maternity hospital were not always buried in their home parishes.
We wandered over to the Republican Plot later. Such a strange feeling seeing the last resting place of so many of our patriots. I didn't realise they actually have a tour of the cemetery, which could be quite interesting. (How sad am I to be interested in a cemetery tour?).
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Hi Frazer,
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That's the old Angels Plot that the gentleman showed us yesterday. It looks a lot nicer than the Angels' Plot at the other end of the cemetery where my sister's twins were buried in 1969. I hope they do a similar job on the other Angels' Plots.
I was impressed by the craftsmanship that went into making some of the very elaborate monuments in Glasnevin.
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I have just found out that my grandparents are buried in an unmarked grave thanks to a very kind Rootschat member.There are 2 others in the grave.
I have been given the ref no. NC101 St Paul's, I would love to see a picture of the grave if any kind person is visiting Glasnevin, as I am unable to get to Dublin in the near future.
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I'll keep an eye on this thread til I get up next time Draigoch. I was up only two weeks ago. I plan on going back in the next few weeks so if no one else does it by then I'll have a look for you.
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Thank you so much Alicat84, It would mean so much to me.
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Just reading over this thread.... I was at a talk recently on Glasnevin. Those buried in the 'poor grounds' could be up to 15 interments deep. The private plots could have up to 6 persons. There were variations according to the topography They never turned away a burial on account of money. Babies might be just left in the office to be buried later with others. The wealthier subsidised the cost of the poorer ones and any profit left over went towards local schools and institutions. In more recent years, profit went towards acquiring land for new graveyards in the Dublin area.
Meanwhile it was heartening to hear that they had kept the records of every person buried there and in the earlier graveyard of Goldenbridge = up to 1.7 million records.... of which 800.000 are in unmarked plots or 'poor ground'. It is one of the biggest cemeteries in terms of burials and covers 128 acres.
The records for 1832 to 1898 are presently being scanned and will go online next easter when the newly refurbished cemetery will be reopened. It will have a museum and two new entrances including one from the Botanic gardens.
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Thank you for the info about records up to 1898 being scanned. I am looking for my Great Grandparents Susan Boshell died 1882 and John Edward Boshell died 1887.
Kooky
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Hi Thank you again for telling us about the records being scanned.
Best wishes
Emms
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my grandfather is buried in Glasnevin in a shared grave.
could anybody tell me if there are the names of those who are buried there on the gravesite or just in the records office. i can't visit until i am over there next year.
michael
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I think you will only find details in the office. Unless it is a private plot that was 'shared' and someone went to the trouble of enscribing a gravestone. The term to describe group burial used by Glasnevin is "poor ground" rather than pauper's plot - a bit more dignity to be just poor rather than pauper. I know of one of these areas in Glasnevin and it a large raised area of several acres of grass with no markings. Another reason that people might have been buried in communal plots apart from poverty, was because of frequent epidemics such as smallpox. Dublin had a poor public health record in Victorian times with poor housing stock and overcrowding.
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thank you Anne.
i only know he is interned with 9 other persons. so it looks like i will only see the area he is buried in unless they have opened it as a new grave. i believe everything has rotted away after 100 years. i read this somewhere.
michael :(