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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: veebareeba on Sunday 09 January 05 15:34 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone have access to marriage records in Mcr Cathedral or is it possible to write off for details? Have discovered that my gt gt gparents were married in Mcr Cathedral on 25th December 1847 - Thomas Sweeney and Ann Corcoran. They were Irish Catholics as far as I know.
Does anyone know if it was usual for other denominations to be married in a C of E church in those days? Also, I suspect that Ann was unsure of her age on the 1871 census or was underage at her marriage .... The thick plottons!
Any advice will be very much appreciated.
Veebareeba
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It was quite usual for Catholics to be married in Manchester Cathedral in those days and these were recognised by the Established Church.
Also, I think it became quite the fashionable thing to do in early Manchester.
A marriage certificate would give you the Father's name of the bride and groom. The reference for this could be listed on the Lancashire Births, Marriages and Deaths, and may confirm for you the bride's name, unlike FBDM site where you have a choice!
Hope this helps,
Patk
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The record for Manchester Cathedral are held at the Manchester Central Library,
http:// www.manchester.gov.uk/libraries
I have seen messages posted that the library will look for your request, but not sure if that now applies. as they were inundated with requests.
I have also seen messages for the Library look ups on the
Manchester forum page at. http://genforum.genealogy.com
Hope this helps
Regards Marj
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It was quite usual for Catholics to be married in Manchester Cathedral in those days and these were recognized by the Established Church.
Also, I think it became quite the fashionable thing to do in early Manchester.
A marriage certificate would give you the Father's name of the bride and groom. The reference for this could be listed on the Lancashire Births, Marriages and Deaths, and may confirm for you the bride's name, unlike FBDM site where you have a choice!
Hope this helps,
Patk
God I love this site, always learning stuff from it without even looking for any particular info.
I was assured by my mother that her mothers line were catholic and then I found that gggrandparents had been married at cathedral and thought she was definitely wrong. Convinced both of us that they must have come to Catholicism through marriage. It would seem that getting married in Manchester Cathedral does not necessarily mean they were C of E.
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Will look this marriage up for you as I am going to Manchester Library next Monday.
;D
Audrey
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You will find 18 marriages for Sweeney at Manchester Cathedral between 1846 and 1850 also a number of Christenings. Most Irish Sweeneys came in via Liverpool
and you will find a lot more being married / Christened at Liverpool Cathedral
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Thanks so much to all of you for the information. :) :) :) Very interesting stuff! Thanks for the tips. I will keep trying the Lancs BMD site to see if they have added my family yet.
Audrey, that would be fantastic if you could look up this marriage for me. As I mentioned, I would be particularly interested in the ages of the wedding party!! And I know from past experience that witnesses etc can often provide another link to the family. Can't wait to hear from you.
Yes, this is a brilliant site - my husband has even become interested in tracing his Yorkshire roots because of it.
A question for Charlieralph - how did you find this info on the Sweeney's? Sounds very promising.
Veebareeba
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Details of the marriage after banns on 25/12/1847
Thomas Sweeney - minor - bachelor - sawyer - lived Newton - father - Michael Sweeney - labourer
Ann Corcoran - minor - spinster - lived Newton - father John Corcoran - labourer
Thomas signed his name/Ann marked with a cross
WitnessesThomas Durkin/ Jane Stretton
Hope this helps.
My own ggg grandparents married here in 1840 and I was unable to find any baptisms until I realised they were catholic. I found them at St Pats.
Good luck
Audrey ;)
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Audrey thank you so very much! :)
As I suspected Thomas and Ann were "minors" and the extra information is fantastic - takes me back another generation. Do you know just how "minor" you can be to get married? Before I found this site I was at a dead end with the Sweeney family after a few fruitless visits to Salford and Manchester records offices. So thank you once again.
I visited St Patricks's Livesey St last time I was in Mcr as Tom and Ann's son (also Thomas) was married there in 1883, and was a bit disappointed to find the church had been rebuilt since those days. Time marches on of course.
Thanks once again and best wishes with your research.
Veronica
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Not a problem. If there is anything else I can look up for you at Manchester Library please let me know. As long as you know the date I will gladly do it.
Glad it helped.
Audrey
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Does the library have records going back to 1827?
Looking for the marriage of George Wilson & Sarah Taylor married on January 5, 1827 in Manchester Cathedral. I would like to know if the record will give me the bridesgroom's birth location or county and maybe his father's name.
Dave
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Dave,
to quote Audbailey
Details of the marriage after banns on 25/12/1847
Thomas Sweeney - minor - bachelor - sawyer - lived Newton - father - Michael Sweeney - labourer
Ann Corcoran - minor - spinster - lived Newton - father John Corcoran - labourer
Thomas signed his name/Ann marked with a cross
WitnessesThomas Durkin/ Jane Stretton
Yes it should give the address of the father but not where born only where lived !
Sarah :)
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Dave
Yes these records are kept at Manchester although the earlier marriages do not have the father's name.
I am not sure when they started to include this info but will look for you next week.
Audrey
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Hi Aud,
I have read your info re Manchester Cathedral marriages.
My gggrdparents on my Moms side were married there. I have tried to get the certs but being in Canada and that do not take phone requests I have been reluctant to send my Visa etc #s to them.
If you are going to search there and if it is convenient, I would like to ask you if you could look up the marriage record. I am most interested in the parents of the groom and bride, I understand usually the father only is listed.
the couple are.
John Dolan and Elizabeth Merner married 1840
Manchester Cathedral
Reg. at Manchester.
ref CATH/14/51
If you could do this I would be very grateful, if you dont have the opportunity dont worry about it, and thanks anyways.
Ted
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Hi Audrey,
I was wondering if you could do two lookups for me at the Cathedral whenever you get the time. I would really like the copies of the certificates if possible.
When I contacted the records department I was told that they weren't able to do any lookups at the moment and I can't get there myself unfortunately.
The first one is a marriage on 23rd October 1810 between Thomas Duxbury and Jane Baron, and the second is the baptism of their son William on 28th July 1813.
I know that the earlier records don't have much information on them but I would really like copies if possible as I know for certain that Thomas and Jane are my gggggrandparents.
I am willing to reimburse to you for any expenses you may incur as well as travel expenses to and from Manchester.
Meanwhile, if you need anything looking up in Liverpool, please let me know.
Regards.
Viv.
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Ted and Viv
Will look these up for you with pleasure and let you have details.
Viv
Copiers are a bit hit and miss as to whether they work or not but if possible will get a copy of marriage certificate. The baptism will only be from parish registers so won't be as detailed as a birth certificate.
Will get details this time and if you still want a copy will get it again.
Audrey
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Thanks so much Aud.
If there is any cost let me know so I can re imburse you.
Ted
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Hi everyone
here are the details you are waiting for
George Wilson bachelor of this parish, labourer and Sarah Taylor, spinster married by banns in this church by G D Wray, chaplain on 5/1/1827.
Both marked with a cross.
In prescence of Robert Hilton (signed name) and John Bunn or Burn 0marked with a cross)
Thomas Duxbury of this parish and township of M/c, gentleman and Jane Baron, spinster of M/c married by Joseph Brookes.
Both signed names.
In prescence of Mary Baron, John Baron and James Heath.
Baptism on Wednesday 28/7/1813
William son of Thomas & Jane Duxbury of M/c.
I the column for trade, profession it had deceased and above this A Horney.
Baptised by J Brookes chaplain.
I have no idea what this means.
Marriage on 20/1/0840 after banns
John Dolan - full age - bachelor - spinner - 24 Bloom St- father William - labourer
Elizabeth Merner - full age - spinster - 6 Major St - father James - bricklayer
Both marked with a cross.
Witnesses Mary Merner (marked with a cross)
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Sorry about this but the other witness to the Dolan/Merner marriage was Thomas Dolan (signed his name)
Hope this helps you.
There was something amiss with the only copier working today so I will get a copy of the Duxbury/Baron marriage next time if you really want one. let me know if you want a copy of the baptiam also.
Audrey
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Hi Aud,
Thanks so very much for the information. I know this is a lot to ask but could you get a copy of the cert. if there is one there? If so you could email me at dungannon@mts.net
I do some photo restorations so if you have any old photos you need restored send a high resolution(800) copy to me and I will see what I can do. It seems this is all I can do for a return favour.
Thanks so much again.
My brich wall has crumbled some more due to your very generous help.
Ted
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Ted
Will do that for you next week if copier is working.
I only manage to go on my day off which is Monday or Tuesday.
I think it costs 50p to copy so if you want to put some stamps in the post to me that will do fine.
Will give you my address when I get the copy.
Will certainly look at my old photos to see if there is one that could be improved on...thanks for the offer.
Audrey
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Hi Aud,
I certainly will send you stamps.
I look forward to the photo to restore.
Thank you again.
Ted
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Hi Aud,
I have a map of Manchester from 1896. Thanks to your wonderful efforts I now have the address of the my ggggrdparents when they were married. I had the address of my ggrddad from a previous document. Now I can see a bit of their movements. I would like to ask one question though. You gave me the address of Bloom Street and Major Street, the question I would ask of you is do your street numers go from lowest east and highest west or reverse of that?
Sorry to be a bother.
Ted
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Ted
Not 100% but I think lowest east.
Aud
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Thanks for the marriage info. I would love a photocopy of George Wilson's marriage, but the only stamp I can get is Canadian ones. Any other alternatives?
Dave
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Hi Aud,
I am afraid I am in the same predicament that Dave is in and would need an alternative.
Ted
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Can't think of one, don't worry about it.
Didn't realise you were in another country.
Audrey
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Hi Aud,
Do you have a scanner by any chance. If you do you could send it to my email addy.
my email is:
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Yes I do have a scanner, will do when I get a copy.
Aud
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Hi Aud,
THank you so much.
Ted
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Hi Aud,
Sorry I haven't been in touch before now to say "Thank You" for the Duxbury details, I've had a few problems with the internet cutting off every few minutes.
If you could possibly copy the marriage certificate, I would be so grateful, and will reimburse you, either by cheque or by sending you postage stamps if you prefer.
I know that Thomas Duxbury was a solicitor by profession and I think that he had possibly died by the time William was baptised, hence the details in the "Profession" column. I have searched for Thomas's death between 1810 and 1813 for a few months but haven't found anything yet, although I think he may have had a funeral service at Manchester Cathedral.
I think that A. Horney could have been either the solicitors firm that Thomas worked for or the person who had some connection with the burial of Thomas.
I think I'll put a message asking if someone has access to the Manchester Gores Directory to see if anything turns up.
Once again, thanks for all your help.
Regards,
Viv.
:)
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:) :) :)
As lots of my relatives used Manchester Cathedral, I thought you might like to see a photo of it (if you haven't done so already)
:) :) :)
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Ted
I have got your certificate for Dolan/ Merner but it is printed on A3 paper which is too big for my scanner.
I will have to scan both ends and hope you can put it together at your end. I will try to get it to your email address later today.
I thought I knew which ones I wanted but whn I looked at the 4 or 5 I did last week I didn't. I have copied the Sweeney and Corcoran one by mistake so if you would like a copy let me have your e mail address.
Audrey
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Do not despair descendants of George Wilson and Thomas Duxbury will get yours next time.
I have written down the ones I want so I won't get there without knowing which ones again.
Aud
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Here is a handy link for this forum
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/Libraries/arls/registers/prlista.htm
on the right hand side click on Manchester (Ashley Lane to St David) for Manchester Cathedral
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Hi Aud,
I see you have been inunndated with requests about Manchester Cathedral! I hate to add to it but I wondered if next time you go you could look up one for me? I am originanlly an Oldham girl now living in Australia which means I rely on the internet and the kindess of others for info. The marriage I am looking for is my GGgrandparents: Catherine Ryan to Thomas Taylor, 28th Aug. 1867/8. His name was actually George Thomas but everything else fits in. I don't know their father's names, so any info. would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Wendy
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Hi Audrey,
I have just come across these messages.
Would it be possible for you to look up the marriage of Jesse Warhurst and Charlotte Smith on 6th July 1848 at Manchester Cathedral?
Thanks
Pippa
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Wendy & Pippa
Will look these up next week.
Will gladly do lookups but not copies due to the time taken to find a machine etc. I will do copies for the 2 I have promised but I have to say they are very time consuming as I only get chance to go to do my own research one day a week.
Hope you all understand.
Aud
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Aud,
Thank you very much, I will be happy just to have the information you can get.
Wendy
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Thank you very much for doing the lookup for me. I only need the info not a copy. I hope it's not too inconvenient, I greatly appreciate your help.
Pippa
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Hi Aud,
Thank you for taking the time to look up my Duxburys, I know you are inundated with requests at the moment, so whenever you get the chance to copy the details is fine.
Good luck with your own research.
Viv.
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Hi Aud
I hope I am not going to give you a headache but I wonder if you could put your deerstalker on and do a bit of detective work for me. I have this baptism record;
23 March 1856 (born 8 August 1854) Harriet dau of Henry & Ellen McBRIDE,
Hulme, Joiner
This is from manchester cathedral I wondered if you could check out what it says about the marital status of the parents. I thought they didn't get married until 1859, I've been told that it wasn't uncommon for children to be born outside of marriage, they had two!! But, this transcription has them down as Henry and Ellen McBride(she was an Elliot).
If you do have time this would be great but I see you are a bit snowed under at the moment. Any folio reference would be great so I could send for a copy of the birth cert my self.
Regards Jane
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Jane
Will try to look this up next week.
Marriage 6/7/1848
Jesse Warhurst - 40 - widow - labourer - Hart St - father James - carpenter
Charlotte Smith - 34 - spinster - Ardwick - father William - card maker
Both signed with X, witnesses James Drape X, Jane Roles signed.
Wendy
The marriage you asked me to check I could not find on the date you gave me, please check the exact date and let me know.
Thomas Duxbury marriage and George Wilson marriage let me have your email addresses and I will send copies.
Audrey
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Thanks
Dave
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Aud,
Thank you so much for looking, but I have to apologise profusely, I did have it wrong! I don't know where my brain was at the time. I wrote the 28th and on checking it is actually the 26th.
So if you have time next time you go. It is Catherine Ryan marriage to Thomas Taylor, 26th August 1867. Definately right this time I double checked!
I do have the 1871 to 1901 census if you need anything looked up there?
Thank you
Wendy :-[
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Not a problem, will do it next week.
Thanks for the offer of census info, will bear it in mind.
Aud
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Hi Aud,
Thank you very much for looking up the wedding for me. It is much appreciated.
Pippakit
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Wendy
Here is the info you requested
marriage at M/c Cathedral 26/8/1867 after banns.
Thomas Taylor - 20 - bachelor - collier - Collyhurst St - father William - collier
Catherine Ryan - 19 - spinster - 8 Clough St - father Thomas - excavator
Both marked with a cross.
Witnesses George Hilshowe/Mary Lomas, both signed
Pippa
Checked out the baptism for you but it revealed no more info than you gave me. The parents were listed as though they were married but whether they had to prove this or not I do not know for sure.
Usually in the Cathedral registers it was marked as illegitimate if that were the case. There were also some where the parents were not married and both surnames appeared.
If you have found a marriage later then they obviously were not married at the time of this child's birth.
If you want to apply for a birth certificate you will need to contact Manchester Register Office direct.
Audrey
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Hi Aud,
Thank you so much! you have just added another generation to two branches of my tree. I hope with all your hard work you have been able to gain a lot of information on your own family. it must be fascinating actually looking at the records or to have them all in the same place.
thanks again
Wendy :)
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Hi Aud,
How are you? I was wondering if you could do me another favor if you get back to the Cathederal?:)
I wanted to make sure that I have the righ family of my ggrandmother Catherine Ryan so I was hoping you could look up her sister's marriage. I asure you these are my only relatives (that I know of) who did anything at the Cathederal.
The marriage is between Hannah Ryan and David Daniels it took place on :
13th June, 1870 at the Cathederal.
I also wondered if you could answer two questions for me: Could anyone get married there? my family were working class and it seems very fancy?
Does it mean that my anscestors were Church of England?
Thank you very much Aud.
Cheers
Wendy
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Wendy
I will look it up next week, no problem.
I think I am right in saying that anyone could get married there and there were a lot of working class did do, mine amongst them.
I did hear that it being the parish church was entitled to fees from the parties marrying at any other church so they would have had to pay twice which occassioned most people choosing the Cathedral.
How true this is I am not sure, maybe someone can confirm or deny this?
It was C of E but marriages took place there of mixed denomination too. One of the parties could have been RC and unable to marry in a catholic church as the other wasn't.
Audrey
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Hi Audrey
I was wondering if possible if you could lookup the marriage Details of this Couple
Samuel Bottomley
Elizabeth Hesketh
15th May 1853 Catherdral Manchester Lancashire
Any Information would be greatly Recived
Regards
Iria
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Yes will do that next week.
Audrey
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Hi Audrey,
Are you still doing Manchester Cathedral lookups ? I would be so grateful if you could give me any background info on this IGI I found on LDS site. William Newell marriage to Mary Moors 14th June 1792 Manchester cathedral. Especially grooms father's name. My Newell, Newall, Newel, Newhall variants married and had their children baptised in the Cathedral for several generations and lived in the Deansgate area.
Do you look at baptisms as well? I have an IGI for Samuel Newell christened 04 Mar 1810 Parents William Newell and Mary. The only problem is that there are two William Newell/all marriage IGI's at Manchester Cathedral the other is William Newall to Mary Hill 22 Aug 1804. I am presuming the Newell/Moors marriage is mine, but would love to be sure.
Even if you can't help, I'd like to say how much your kindness is appreciated
Regards
Suzanne
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These early marriage registers do noy have father's name on I am afraid. I will look it up for you but the most you will get will be groom's occupation.
Likewise the baptism but will check.
Audrey
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Hi Aud
If you are still doing the cathedral look ups, I'd be really grateful if you could look at the marriage between Solomon Turner and Hannah Shimwell on 3rd April 1844.
Any information from the register would be wonderful
Thanks
Lou
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Here are some of the details you wanted
Marriage Daniels and Ryan after banns
David Daniels - 21 - bachelor - collier - Church St, Newton Heath - father John - collier
Hannah Ryan - 19 - spinster - 757 Oldham Rd, Newton Heath - father Thomas - labourer
Both marked with a cross, witnesses Henry Bruckshaw (literate) and Hannah Fox (marked a cross)
The only info on the Newell and Moors marriage was the fact that both were able to sign their names and both were from Manchester. William was a bachelor and a ????? finisher. The word looked like rate or late but neither makes sense.
The witnesses to the marriage were John Williamson, Robert Holdgate and James Kerkwick( all literate) Unusual to have 3 witnesses but there you go.
The baptism likewise, not much info ...the entry was one line only and read
4/3/1810 Samuel son of William and Mary Newell born 31/1/1810
Turner and Shimwell marriage after banns
Solomon Turner - full age - bachelor - puddler - Roger St - father William - puddler
Hannah Shimwell - full age - spinster - 27 Roger St - father James - farmer
Both were literate, witnesses Eliza and Samuel Spruce.
Iria
Apologies I ran out of time and didn't get your details, it is at the top of my list for next week.
Audrey
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Audrey
Many many thanks
Lou
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Thank you very much Aud for all the info. It is the right family! Another branch is added to the old tree. Good luck with all your research. thanks for your kindness.
Wendy
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Thanks Audrey,
The ancestors and I are very grateful
Suzanne
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Hi Aud
Next week will be fine .. ;D
Regards
Iria
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Iria
Apologies for the delay, here are the details you are waiting for
Marriage at Cathedral on 15/5/1853 after banns
Samuel Bottomley - 25 - bachelor - dyer - Bradford Rd - father John - smith
Elizabeth Hesketh - 21 spinster - 4 Halls Place, Naylor St - father Thomas - weaver
Samuel signed with a cross/Elizabeth signed her name.
Witnesses Edward and Eliza Taylor/both marked a cross.
Hope this helps you
Audrey
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Hi Audrey
Many thanx For the Information.. Brilliant news as well it is my Samuel and Now i can go back a few More Years..
Many thanx for the Great Work You do its most apprecated
Regards
Iria
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This probably should not be on this list but I seem to remember I did a look up in M/c and someone said if I needed any in Liverpool they could do this for me.... problem is I can't remember who as I did so many look ups at the time.
I would like details of a marriage in St Nicholas Church, Liverpool on 8 December 1856 between Stephen Bailey and Jane Turner.
Also baptism of Arthur Bailey on 27/3/1859 at Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England. Need to confirm this is their son as he was actually born in Salford. Long way to go for a baptism but as Jane was from Liverpool I am hoping this is the right one.
Many thanks
Aud
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Aurdrey I was just browsing this post when i came accross someone who has A Duxbury,Baron ,Hornby & ? and a Jane same as me but in the 1920's thought i was onto something there :'( Re you last Post that might be Floridagirl she does lookups in Liverpool.
Celia
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Hi. Re Catholics marrying in Manchester cathedral. Two of my ancestors also married in Manchester Cathedral, one of them on Christmas day, in fact. Apparently it was quite common in those days.
Regards
Mary
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Hi Audrey
Can you please do a lookup when you are next at Manchester Cathedral?
I have a John Broadhead who married Ellen Moston on 24 December 1846 at Manchester Cathedral.I have the Marriage Certificate which states he lived in Gt. Ancoats St and was a farmer. It also states that John's father was called John Broadhead too.I don't know what his age was when he married.
I would like to know when, where, and to whom he was born.
My guess is that it would be about 1820.
Can you help me?
Thanks
Leatham
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I would gladly look up a baptism for you but I need the date and the name of the church.
The info you are requesting would be available on John's birth certificate which can be obtained by applying at local register office.
Hope this helps.
Audrey
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Hi Audrey
I don't have a birth date, so I can't apply for a Birth Certificate. That is what I'm trying to find out. I think he was probably baptised in Manchester Cathedral as all later births and marriages were held there by the family.
If he was married in 1846 I would estimate that he was born around 1820 approximately or up to 1828.
Hope this is of some help. Do you have any other suggestions as to how I can find out when he was born or where to look?
Regards
Leatham
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Hi
You wouldn't be able to get a birth certificate, I just realised when he was born it was before 1837 when civil registration began here.
The only entry on IGI for a John has father called Hugh so it doesn't look like he was baptised in Cathedral as this is included in IGI.
Without the date and church it is virtually impossible to find. I am sorry not to be able to help more.
Audrey
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Hello Audrey:
Could I impose upon you to look up the marriage record of John Barlow to Alice Turner that occurred on June 4, 1835 at Manchester Cathedral.
John Redfern
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hi audrey, could you do a lookup of a marriage at manchester
cath., please the marriage is Elizabeth Chantler to James unsworth 1844.
Thanks Kate
Australia.
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I will not be able to do this till end of June as I am away on holiday till 20th and will need the exact date to look it up.
Audrey
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John
Will gladly do it after 20th June when I return fron holiday.
Audrey
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dear audrey, thanks i've finally found a date 11th november,1844 for James Unsworth and Elizabeth Chantler.
a lookup would be greatly appreicated thanks kate
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Kate and John
Here are the details you asked for
Marriage at M/c Cathedral on 4/6/1835
John Barlow Jnr, bachelor of this parish and township of Ardwick, gentleman and Alice Turner spinster of Cheetham were married by licence.
Both signed the register.
Witnesses Mary Barlow, Richard Doncaster ?Harriet ?arder, John Barlow, Ann Barlow and Thomas Warner.
I have never seen a marriage with so many witnesses before and am not certain that Richard's name was Doncaster but that is what it looked like, likewise harriet's surname, couldn't make out what the first letter was.
Unfortunately, no fathers name was given in early registers but it does show where both parties lived. Hope it is of some help.
Unsworth & Chantler.
Found nothing on the date you gave me but found it on 24/11/1844.
James Unsworth - full age - bachelor - joiner - 20 Portland St - father James - wheelwright
Elizabeth Chantler - full age - spinster - 16 Booth St, Chorlton on Medlock - father Thomas - miller
James was literate/Elizabeth was not.
Witnesses George heap and John Howgate who were both literate.
Hope this helps you both a little.
Audrey
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wow, thanks so very much for the look up audrey, it certainly does help think you have just helped me find my
elizabeth chantler.i was hoping it would give fathers name and occupation it certainly looks like it is her.
Thanks kate
australia.
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Hi Audrey:
Thanks for the Barlow lookup. I am still trying to figure out the multiple witnesses.
John
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Kate
It does give her father's name and occupation, it was Thomas and he was a miller. I think you were so excited you missed it.
Audrey
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yes was a bit excited :), iwas wandering if you would mind doing a few more lookups next time you go ?
i'm trying to find elizabeth's brothers john and james,
i have found a couple of marriages that could be them,
James chantler to Alice Jackson 1 august, 1847 at manchester cath.,
John Dale Chantler to sarah marsden 10 march 1847
john Chantler to mary spencer 24 dec, 1848.
I think john may of died fairly young possibly had two children before dying.
I have a marriage certifcate of a thomas chantler witnesses are james chantler and alice chantler.
I hope this wouldn't be a bother to you i would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks kate lloyd
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Kate
Will do it next week for you.
Are they all at the cathedral?
Audrey
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Just a little information for all of you to confirm that prior to a certain date two fees were due if you married at another church within the parish of M/c cath.
this is from the archivist at Manchester;
The
ancient Parish of Manchester was very large, covering all the outlying
townships. The Collegiate Church - later the Cathedral - owned the rights to
fees for all marriages within the Parish. If people chose to marry in their
local church, then a fee would be payable both to the church and to the
Collegiate Church, hence most people cut out the middle-man and came direct to
the Collegiate Church, from miles around. This is how Joshua Brookes came to be
the most prolific baptiser, marrier, and burier in the Country.
This caused great unrest, as you can imagine, and by 1850, a Rectory Division
Bill was passed through Parliament following a large petition from the
Parishioners of Manchester. This ordered the dividing of the ancient parish
into smaller parishes, leaving the Cathedral with the Residual Parish - being
just the area around it. Double fees were still payable until 1878, however, as
the 1850 Bill allowed for the current holders of the Clerkships to retire before
removing their income.There are numerous pamphlets and small books published around 1850 arguing forand against the Rectory Division Bill, eg. Mr Turner's letters to the Bishop,
published in 1850 by James Ridgway, Piccadilly, London, and Simms & Dinham in
Manchester. There is a later one, however, published around 1886, looking back
on the arguments which were still continuing. This booklet publishes the Bill
in full, with notes saying how the Bill was being abused by the Cathedral. I
was reading this only the other day at Chetham's Library, and I will email you
again tomorrow with a reference for it.
Yours sincerely,
Christopher Hunwick
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dear aud,
yes i do believe they are at manchester cath, thankyou so very much for doing the lookups.
thanks
kate lloyd
australia.
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Dear Audrey
Would really appreciate a look in Manchester Cathedral, whenever you go and have some free time, as I see you do have many requests, and I do not mind waiting. It is very kind of you, as so much additional information can be acquired from the witnesses etc.
10 November 1845 William Bird and Harriet Faulkner Manchester Cathedral
also:THOMAS INGHAM
Spouse: JANE BEBBINGTON Family
Marriage: 14 NOV 1858 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire,
I know Jane's parents, but I am hoping to confirm Thomas' father, and any witnesses if that is possible.
Thank you very much for all the work you are doing, and if it has become too much I will understand.
Pat
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Kate
Here are the details you wanted
M/c Cathedral after banns on 1/8/1847
James Chantler - full age - bachelor - miller - 38 John St - father Thomas - miller
Alice Jackson - full age - spinster - 6 Thomas St - John - packer
James literate/Alice not
Witnesses John Whitehead & Elizabeth Davies (both literate.
M/c Cathedral after banns on 24/12/1848
John Chantler - 21 - bachelor - miller - 34 John St - father Thomas - miller
Mary Spencer - 21 - spinster - 14 Peter St - father William - labourer
John literate/Mary not
Witnesses James & Alice Chantler (both literate)
The onther one for John Dale Chantler had a father called Thomas but a coach builder so I didn't bother with it. If you want details let me know and I will do it next time.
Pat
Will do the lookups gladly on my next visit but I may not be able to make it till the week after next.
Audrey
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Dear Audrey,
Thank you so much, there is no hurry, but I must tell you that after going completely up the wrong tree I am more cautious now, and this research you may do for me will put it beyond doubt, so a very big thank you and as I said there is absolutely no hurry, just when you are able to will be fine.
Kind regards,
Pat
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Pat
Just to let you know I could not go to Manchester this week due to work commitments but will do your look up next time.
Aud
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Dear Audrey
Thank you so much, there is no hurry for you to do this, I am grateful if you can , and I hope it is not too much of an imposition, especially as you have to work too.
Thank you again,
Pat
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Pat
It is no problem at all to do the lookup.
Aud
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Dear Aud,
Thank you so very much.
Regards,
Pat
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Pat
Details you wanted
10/11/1845 M/c Cathedral after banns
William Bird - full age - widower - marble mason - 39 Buxton St - father John - marble mason
Harriet Faulkener - full age - spinster - 29 Chester St, Hulme - father Charles - straw bonnet manufacturer
William literate/Harriet not
Witnesses Richard Latham/Mary A Faulkener (both literate)
14/11/1858 M/c Cathedral after banns
Thomas Ingham - 23 - bachelor - carter - 15 Back Newbery St - father Joseph - carter
Jane Bebbington - 23 - spinster - same address - father George - bricksetter
Thomas literate/Jane not
Witnesses Willam Darbyshire (literate)/Emma Bebbington (illiterate)
Hope this helps a little.
Aud
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I would be extremely grateful for a look-up of a marriage at Manchester Cathedral on 20 June 1841, between Thomas Clough and Sarah Wilkinson if anyone is visting the library in Manchester.
Thanks in anticipation.
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I will look this up for you next week.
Aud
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Hi Aud.
Thank you very much for your help. It is really appreciated.
I will willingly return the favour when and if I can.
Very best wishes, Shirley.
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Dear Aud,
I am hoping that this will catch you before you next go, and if you have the time of course. I would really appreciate it if you could look up:
JAMES MC CORMICK
Marriages:
Spouse: HANNAH HIGGINS
Marriage: 06 JUN 1843 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England.
I have my Granddad's Marriage certificate, but it only gives his father's name as James, and I cannot find him on the census, I have at last found a birth registration in 1844, on 1837 on line, so I am hopeful that the above marriage may be his father and his mother.
If you do not have time, don't worry, it is so kind of you to have done so many.
Kind regards,
Pat
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Pat
No problem, will look it up next week.
Aud
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;D ;D
For anyone interested - here is an old print of Manchester Cathedral circa 1760's
;D ;D
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Thank you so very much Aud, just when you can will be lovely.
Kind regards,
Pat
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For Shirley and Pat, here are the details you wanted.
M/c Cathedral 20/6/1841
Thomas Clough - full age - bachelor - brewer - lived Deansgate - father John - joiner
Sarah Wilkinson - full age - spinster - lived Deansgate - father John - tailor
Thomas was literate, Sarah marked a cross & witnesses were David Bowker & Eliza Wilkinson who were both illiterate.
M/c Cathedral 6/6/1843 by special licence number 28619
James Mc Cormick - full age - bachelor - tailor - 8 Allen Street, Chorlton- on - Medlock - father Patrick - shoemaker
Hannah Higgins - full age - spinster - 13 Allen St as above - father William - labourer
Both illiterate and witnesses were Winifred Toaffe(s) and Thomas Janeson or Jamson??
Hope this helps you both
Aud
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Hi Audrey.
Sincere thanks for your assistance and your time.
I think it may well be my relative although I was expecting the groom to be a joiner rather than his father.
You are doing wonderful service to all of us who cannot get to Manchester. You are a star !!!
Best wishes, Shirley. :D
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Dear Aud,
Once again thank you so much, do hope that you managed to do this without too much trouble. It is most appreciated, as I feel I can now get a birth certificate from a choice of four!, as I know his father was called James from his son's marriage certificate.
Hope you are enjoying the lovely Manchester sunshine,
Kind regards, and again many thanks for all the work you have done,
Pat
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Dear Aud
After years of research and getting no where I think I found my GGParents marriage, and I was wondering if and when you have time and you are researching your family would you look up this one for me?
JOSEPH MURGATROYD
Marriages:
Spouse: MARY QUIGLEY Family
Marriage: 11 MAY 1845 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
If you are too busy I will understand, but I must tell you that all you have done for me has now been entered into my family history and has been substantiated with other records, so I really have appreciated your help in more ways than I can tell you.
Kind regards,
Pat
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Pat
I will gladly do this for you but it may not be for some time as I am going on holiday next week for 3 weeks. I have been visiting Tameside local studies and not Manchester for the past 4 weeks and will still need to go there when I return.
I have put your query in my book and will do it on my next visist to Manchester.
Glad to help.
Audrey
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To all you patient people.
I finally managed to get into Manchester and have these details
11/5/1845 after banns
Joseph Murgatroyd - of full age - bachelor - coachmaker - Oxford Road - father Joseph - smith
Mary Quigley - of full age - spinster - 223 Oxford Road - father Peter - shoemaker
Joseph marked a X/Mary signed
Witnesses James Norbury/Ann F or J orcs? Quigley
Unsure about middle name.
18/6/1838 after banns
James Fish - of full age - bachelor - bricklayer - Percival Street - father Richard - weaver
Lettice Hayhurst - of full age - spinster - Percival Street - father John - grocer
Both marked with X
Witnesses Charles Walmsley/John Carr both signed.
2/6/1831
Joseph Stead bachelor of this parish, spinner and Mary Lee married by licence
Joseph was able to write his name but Mary marked with a X.
Witnesses Catherine Goulding/Frederick Hardacre both marked with a X.
Hope this helps you some.
Happy New Year
Aud
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Dear Aud
Thank you so very much. I did not mind waiting and I know it is an imposition on your time. I am so grateful as this confirms for me another set of my grandparents.
I wish you happiness, good health and a successful 2006.
Kindest regards and appreciation.
Pat
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Audrey,
As one of the colonist (California), I could sure use your help. I'm trying to find out who is the father of an Edward Cramsie. He married an Ann Clark on 29 Aug 1925 at Manchester Cathedral. Can you help? Thanks and Take Care!
Bill
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Bill
Will be happy to look this up for you and send transcription Will hope to go one day next week,
Audrey
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Audrey,
Super! I look forward to your findings.
Bill
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Bill
Will be happy to look this up for you and send transcription Will hope to go one day next week,
Audrey
Could you possibly look a marriage up for me too?
I have a family bible that states my gt-gt-gt grandparents marriage as:
Joshua Mitchell
Married
Elizabeth Coppock (may be Coppart or Coppock - I have both spellings on documents !)
Married at Manchester Cathederal on 20 May 1869.
I think from info I have that they may have lived in the area known as "Clock Alley" by the cathederal.
Any information would be wonderful!
Gaille
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Will be pleased to look it up next time I go.
Audrey
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Will be pleased to look it up next time I go.
Audrey
Thank you Audrey.
I appreciate anything you can add onto my 'bare bones' info.
Gaille
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Hi Audrey
I would be grateful for a look up too. It was a marriage between Hiram Wallwork and Emily Bradshaw at Christchurch, Pendlebury, First Quarter 1870 film MFPR 1452 1970 C13/1/163
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Have put it on my list but will be next week before I go,
Audrey
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Thanks Audrey.
Jen
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Managed to get to the library for a couple of hours today.
Firstly there was no marriage at M/c Cathedral for Edward Cramsie on 29/8/1925.
Sorry
The other two I did find..
20/5/1869 after banns at M/c cathedral
Joshua Mitchell – 29 – bachelor – 38 Chapel Street – John Mitchell – spinner
Elizabeth Coppart – 21 – spinster – no occupation - same address – John Coppart – tailor
Joshua signed his name/Elizabeth marked with a cross.
Witnesses Richard Ashton who signed and Mary Ann Coppart who marked with a cross
Note as neither of the Copparts could sign they would not be able to correct any wrong spellings.
14/3/1870 after banns at Christ Church, Pendlebury
Hiram Walwork – 22 – bachelor – engineer – Pendlebury – James Walwork – gentleman
Emily Bradshaw – 19 – spinster – weaver – Pendlebury – Timothy Bradshaw – engineer
Both signed their names and the witnesses were Robert Wallwork and either Mary or May Ann Bradshaw.
Note the entry on marriage certificate was spelt with one “l”
Both the signatures had 2 .
Hope these help.
Aud
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Thanks Audrey- This is the correct marriage and the father was James but he must have made a lot of money selling beer because he now says he's a gentleman!
Jen
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The other two I did find..
20/5/1869 after banns at M/c cathedral
Joshua Mitchell – 29 – bachelor – 38 Chapel Street – John Mitchell – spinner
Elizabeth Coppart – 21 – spinster – no occupation - same address – John Coppart – tailor
Joshua signed his name/Elizabeth marked with a cross.
Witnesses Richard Ashton who signed and Mary Ann Coppart who marked with a cross
Note as neither of the Copparts could sign they would not be able to correct any wrong spellings.
Hope these help.
Aud
Aud, thank you SO much! I realy appreciate the time you took to do this for me:)
I had a feeling it might have Coppart instead of Coppock, I have the same spelling on other documents.
I am kind of surprised to see Joshua was a spinner he must have been a bit of a 'go getter' cos 2 years later he had his own buiness.
2 new names to add to my tree :D
Elizabeth named her daughter - my gt-grandma - Mary ann, now I know who she named her for :)
(Wonder if thier mother was Mary Ann too......)
Thank you for looking them up for me Aud :)
Gaille
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Thanks Audrey- This is the correct marriage and the father was James but he must have made a lot of money selling beer because he now says he's a gentleman!
Jen
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Audrey,
The date for the Edward Cramsie marriage was 25 Aug 1825 vice 1925 or was that just a typo? If you looked up 1925 date would I be pushing my luck to request you look up the 1825 date next time you are in the neighborhood? Thanks for your efforts to date!
Bill
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Hi Dave,
I've got a George Hugh Wilson married to a Sarah(?) based in Manchester, in my family history. I wonder if there is a connection. Do you know any family details at all?
Best Regards,
David Howard
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Audrey,
I was wondering if you are still doing look ups? I am based in Australia, but will be visiting England in June/July. We are trying to gain as much info before getting there!
The last direct family link we know of is Charles Brown. He was married at Manchester Cathederal in 1811.
This is the look up if you could.
Marriage - Charles Brown to Ann Shelmerdine - Jan 27 1811.
Regards,
Jon.
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I'm finding difficulty in accessing the cathedral records. I can't visit in person.
Could anybody check a marriage for me?
Thomas Simpson to Catharine Carney at Manchester Cathedral.
23rd October 1838.
All available details, such as witnesses, might help establish my great, great grandmother's identity.
I am willing to pay any expenses incurred.
Please help.
brilliantjoan
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Hi,
Welcome to Rootschat :D.
At the moment there is no access to the records as they are being re-located due to Central Library being closed for refurbishment.
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/448/archives_and_local_studies/4584/temporary_closure_of_manchester_archives_and_local_studies/2
I think they will be available again from 28 June at Elliott House.
From the time to time Rootschatters do visit and will do look ups. If there isn't anyone going soon, the Library used to do a postal service for a small charge (I think it was £2.50 and may be a bit more for overseas postage). This service is currently suspended due to the closure but hopefully once they open again it will be resumed.
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?categoryID=448&documentID=464&pageNumber=4
Luzzu
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Thanks Luzzu,
Might be able to go myself as will be visiting Manchester towards the end of July.
Meantime I'll keep checking on the link you have given me.
Should hate to toddle off down there and find them still closed.
Will the archive section be moved from central library permanently?
Maybe, with the new home will come some new equipment for reading micro fiches. Hope so.
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If you do go in person, I think whilst they are at their temporary home you have to book a microfilm/fiche reader in advance. I think they are going to be busy when they open.
I think Central Library re-opens in 2013. That is probably when they will invest in new equipment (or let's hope so). It should be state of the art but I hope they will refurbish sympathetically so as not to spoil the original features of the building.
Luzzu
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Here are some of the details you wanted
Marriage Daniels and Ryan after banns
David Daniels - 21 - bachelor - collier - Church St, Newton Heath - father John - collier
Hannah Ryan - 19 - spinster - 757 Oldham Rd, Newton Heath - father Thomas - labourer
Both marked with a cross, witnesses Henry Bruckshaw (literate) and Hannah Fox (marked a cross)
Henry and Hannah R my ancestors :)
The only info on the Newell and Moors marriage was the fact that both were able to sign their names and both were from Manchester. William was a bachelor and a ????? finisher. The word looked like rate or late but neither makes sense.
The witnesses to the marriage were John Williamson, Robert Holdgate and James Kerkwick( all literate) Unusual to have 3 witnesses but there you go.
The baptism likewise, not much info ...the entry was one line only and read
4/3/1810 Samuel son of William and Mary Newell born 31/1/1810
Turner and Shimwell marriage after banns
Solomon Turner - full age - bachelor - puddler - Roger St - father William - puddler
Hannah Shimwell - full age - spinster - 27 Roger St - father James - farmer
Both were literate, witnesses Eliza and Samuel Spruce.
Iria
Apologies I ran out of time and didn't get your details, it is at the top of my list for next week.
Audrey
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hi I am also looking for a ma ???rriage in 1847 a miss Eliza Moore to a William fox im interested in there fathers names to see if im on the right track any information would be much appreciated :D Eliza was born in Ireland so finding it dificult to confirm her parents names i think her father is geraldum Moore and her mother winfrieda Bradley both Irish .and as for William fox his a big mystery as doesn't live with Eliza and there children in census records she's always the head of family but nerver a widow just married
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My husband's 2 x g.grandparents were married at Liverpool Registry Office, she was definitely not RC, but I image he was as he came from Dublin and his father re-married in a Liverpool RC Church.
However, they had their daughter baptised at Manchester Cathedral.
If anyone is going sometime soon, would they be kind enough to look up the baptism of Emma Connor on 8 August 1852, and more importantly Jessie J Connor on 7 September 1862.
Many thanks.
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Hi I have the marriage certificate .joseph father is Joseph Clegg his occupation I think workhouseman or something houseman .jo is 22 at time of marriage 16 January 1912 and is a machine fitter living 6??? Well street miles platting and the witness are ash Haworth and Harriet Haworth .lily is sewing machinist I already know about her father Henry bruckshaw .