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Title: Ocupation looks like 'Tape M S'
Post by: Molly Atkin on Monday 18 February 08 21:11 GMT (UK)
I've an ancestor in the 1841 census who's occupation appears to be something like ' Tape M S' or it could be M F or even M J. There are others with the same occupation but still others described as 'cotton  M S' (or the above variants). I know that he went on to work in a silk mill but don't know if this occupation is related. Can anyone help?

The reference is HO 107/119/2 p11 (Congleton Cheshire).

Many thanks

Molly
Title: Re: Ocupation looks like 'Tape M S'
Post by: stanmapstone on Monday 18 February 08 21:28 GMT (UK)

The reference is HO 107/119/2 p11 (Congleton Cheshire).

Many thanks

Molly

Hi Molly,
For an 1841 Census reference you need HO107, piece, book, folio, page

Stan
Title: Re: Ocupation looks like 'Tape M S'
Post by: Pels. on Monday 18 February 08 21:33 GMT (UK)


Hi Molly,

I hope this can help someone decide ..

(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5737/1841bt1.jpg)

Kindest regards,

Pels
Title: Re: Ocupation looks like 'Tape M S'
Post by: stanmapstone on Monday 18 February 08 21:37 GMT (UK)
Hi Pels,
How did you manage to find that :) MS usually means Male Servant

Stan
Title: Re: Ocupation looks like 'Tape M S'
Post by: Pels. on Monday 18 February 08 21:45 GMT (UK)



Hi Stan,

I'm hoping the person in question was named either John Bayley or Matthew McDonnell .. fingers crossed .. but I don't suppose it matters either way ..

Pels  :)
Title: Re: Ocupation looks like 'Tape M S'
Post by: cheshiremog on Friday 22 February 08 00:07 GMT (UK)
I wonder if it is
Tape M. J.

Tape
M. = maker
J. Journeyman?
Title: Re: Ocupation looks like 'Tape M S'
Post by: Pels. on Friday 22 February 08 07:23 GMT (UK)



I wondered about the M standing for Maker .. but not sure about the Journeyman. 

There did appear to be quite a cottage industry going on and even the female family members had the same occupation initials .. following the word Tape?

I wonder if Stan has come up with anything yet?  :-\

Pels
Title: Re: Ocupation looks like 'Tape M S'
Post by: stanmapstone on Friday 22 February 08 10:34 GMT (UK)
I wonder if it is 'f' for Tape Manufacture ??? At one time there were more than 20 working mills in and around Congleton, producing the silk ribbons and bows.


HO 107 piece 119 book 2 folio 10 page 14 will get a page showing same entries.


Stan
Title: Re: Ocupation looks like 'Tape M S'
Post by: Tati on Friday 22 February 08 10:42 GMT (UK)
I wonder if it is
Tape M. J.

Tape
M. = maker
J. Journeyman?


I'm with Cheshiremog  :)
Title: Re: Ocupation looks like 'Tape M S'
Post by: stanmapstone on Friday 22 February 08 12:45 GMT (UK)
The number of people employed in the 1841 census for Tape-manufacture (all branches) were males 20 yrs. and over 421, males under 20 yrs.149, females 20 yrs. and over 285, females under 20 yrs.141, a total of 996.

Stan
Title: Re: Ocupation looks like 'Tape M S'
Post by: Suziesmith37 on Saturday 23 February 08 07:56 GMT (UK)
Possibly Mule Scavenger or Mule Spinner?

Or if applied before he worked in the factories - maker of smallwear?


Su
Title: Re: Ocupation looks like 'Tape M S'
Post by: JenB on Saturday 23 February 08 09:55 GMT (UK)
HO 107 piece 119 book 2 folio 10 page 14 will get a page showing same entries.

But on this page, the same character seems to appear after the occupation 'taylor' (William Wright aged 18). Presumably this would be interpreted as 'Journeyman'?

On folio 12 page 9 it appears again after the occupation of 'joiner' (John & Ralph Eaton), which again I think we would interpret as 'Journeyman'. A few lines above it appears after the occupation 'cotton spinner'.

On this basis, I agree with Cheshiremog and Tati that its Tape Maker/manufacturer Journeyman.

Jennifer

Title: Re: Ocupation looks like 'Tape M S'
Post by: Molly Atkin on Saturday 08 March 08 20:55 GMT (UK)
A big thank you to all those who offered suggestions to my question (I've only just picked up this up so apologies for not saying thanks before). I think tape making is a distinct possibility - I hadn't made the connection between tapes and ribbons.

Many thanks again

Molly