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I have been told that a long dead relative was related to a High Sherriff and was a decendant of HARRISON of Temple Laughem, Worcestershire.
The relatives name was HARRISON but what is or who was Temple Laughem ?
Where would I look for info on High Sherriff's.
Many thanks in anticipation,
Brian (in Oz)
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Hi Brian :)
This page gives a bit of info about High Sheriffs in England - a Royal Appointment, apparently:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Shrievalties
What period of time are we talking about for your ancestor?
Prue
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And here's another site which looks very useful:
http://www.high-sheriff.org/
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Hi Prue,
I do not have a date of birth but Jane HARRISON died in 1867. She married a William HORTON in 1812 and had a son William the same year so I would guess her bith date could be approx 20 years earlier. Her son was my wife's 2nd Gt grandfather who came to Aus in 1866. We have hints of Coats of Arms for Harrison and Horton besides the High Sherrif bit so you can see I am interested in many ways and not easy from here. I will have a look at those sites you gave me and thanks very much for your reply.
Brian
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Hi
It would seem that your references are all "word of mouth" and alsorts of distrotions can manifest over the years that way.
I wonder if Temple Laughem could be in fact Temple Guiting which is just over the border in Glos.
It is by a long way the nearest location to Worcestershire with Temple as the beginning of it's name.
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How about this?
'In Lower Broadheath which is just outside Worcester, there is a place called Temple Laugherne. Laugherne is the name of a brook which runs though the area and the prefix Temple is the obvious clue that it was once a Templar preceptory.'
http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/temple2.htm
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There's a Temple Laugherne Farm
http://www.mylocalservices.co.uk/Worcestershire/Mixed_Crops/798596/Daniel_Lloyd.html
Temple Laugherne Farm ~ photos here:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/53883
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/523475
This might be Temple Laugherne House ~ not sure:
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:Zem0PAerbZwJ:www.countrylife.co.uk/property/details/property/81501%3Flang%3Den_GB+fishing+lake+%22temple+laugherne%22+-motor+-Motorsport+-Motorsports&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk
Mentions here:
http://www.worcestervista.co.uk/lower-broadheath-remembered.htm
http://www.worcestervista.co.uk/old-names-in-lower-broadheath.htm
Another mention here ~ click on the map and you will see where it is.
http://archive.worcesternews.co.uk/2007/6/5/468149.html
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Hi There
I know there is a book in Worcester History Centre that names most of the high sherriff's of Worcestershire - I know as an ancestor of mine was one of them
All the very best
Phil
Weston-super-Mare
ps I have a photo copy of this page somewhere & if I can locate it I'll let you know more details
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Hi
Apologies for the Temple Guiting mislead.
Using the OS map on http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/getamap/ it is possible to see the current buildings it is SE of Lower Broadheath
If you look at http://www.old-maps.co.uk you can find images from the late 1880s onwards and see the extent then, Magnification is available on the 1:10650 scale.
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Thanks Tricia 2, the White Dragon site was very interesting re, the Templars and I now know where Temple Laugherne is and where Jane HARRISON was from.
I have a copy of the will of William HORTON who married Jane HARRISON and it shows a coat of arms for Horton and a coat of arms for Harrison. Jane Harrison was a relative (?) of Richard HARRISON, High Sherriff.
Did the coat of arms originally belong to Richard and where was he High Sherriff of. These are questions I would like to find answers to. Any info or advise would be welcome.
Phil, if you do manage to find that list of Sherriffs I would appreciate a look at it.
Thanks all,
Brian
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A couple of possibles:
'John ‘Longitude’ Harrison was buried in the churchyard of St John at Hampstead. All his money (worth over £2 million in today’s values) passed to his son, William. And William never made another watch. He became a gentleman of leisure and High Sheriff of Monmouthshire, and did good works.'
http://www.flamsteed.info/fasanniv06_files/page0003.htm
'Previous High Sheriffs of Leicestershire'
'1873 Isaac Harrison, of Newfoundpool'
http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/your_council/about_leicestershire/leicestershire_lieutenancy_index/leicestershire_lieutenancy_high_sheriff.htm
And some more general info to add to the sites given above:
http://www.privy-council.org.uk/output/page29.asp
http://www.somerset.gov.uk/somerset/council/officeofhighsheriff/
Perhaps you could contact one of them for info.
There are quite a few sites giving details about High Sheriffs ~ note the spelling, though, to find them more easily. :)
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Hi Brian
I had the house upside down looking for that photo copy this morning but do you think that I could find it - I put it in such a safe place that I cant lay a finger on it - I shall have to get another copy the next time I'm in Worcestershire (April this year)
All the very best
Phil
Somerset
ps I have to locate the book again before I can get another copy & cant remember the title
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Hi
Here's some more information about Richard Harrison:-
Coat of Arms and Crest
Coat of Arms - Azure, three demi-lions rampant or.
Crest ; A demi–lion rampant argent, holding a laurel wreath proper.
He was High Sheriff in 1787.
from Grazebrooks “The Heraldry of Worcestershire”
Volume 3 of the Victoria County History of Worcester gives information about Temple Laughern.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43160&strquery=Temple%20Laughern
The Harrisons apparently lived at Temple Laughern from the early 1800’s until 1840
This is probably a reference to him on the Access to Archives website
Worcestershire Quarter Sessions
Catalogue Ref. 1
Quarter Sessions Rolls - ref. 1/1
FILE - Sessions 1779 Easter - ref. 1/1/477 - date: 1779
item: Easter 1779: Statement of Assets to qualify as JPs by:- John Durant, Hagley Rectory. Joseph Cartwright, Dudley Vicarage. Thomas Ward, land in Hallow & St. Clements. Samuel Sandys, land in Powick. Richard Harrison, land in St. Johns in Bed. John Dandridge, land in Great Malvern & St. Michael in Bedwardine. Thomas Holbeche, land in Dodderhill. Richard Hudson, land in Wick near Pershore. Henry Cecil, land in Hanbury. - ref. 1/1/477/9-17 [n.d.]
HTH
Nemo
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Ah yes, that's more like it.
It looks as if the Harrisons I found are totally unconnected! Sorry!
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Hi Nemo, My word, your last posting was perfect and the description of the coat of arms matches the photocopy (without colour) that I have, Thank you very much. The rest of the info is great and confirms that we have the right bloke this time. Tell me, after Richard Harrisons name it says "Land in St Johns in Bed". The word 'Bed', is that Bedfordshire or Bedwardine which is another listed name there ??. Cannot find Bedwardine on the map.
I must now try to establish the relationship between Richard and Jane Richardson now that we know they lived in Temple Laughern.
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Tricia 2, Many thanks for your efforts and don't be sorry, it's all in the game.
regards,
Brian
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Ooops ! I meant HARRISON not Richardson
Sorry.
Brian
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Hi Brian
St John bedwardine is a parish of Worcester
All the very best
Phil
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Did you notice that St John Bedwardine was mentioned in the Templar article I mentioned earlier?
'In Lower Broadheath which is just outside Worcester, there is a place called Temple Laugherne. Laugherne is the name of a brook which runs though the area and the prefix Temple is the obvious clue that it was once a Templar preceptory. In this case the Master and Brethren of the Temple are known to have purchased the Manor for £100 in 1249ce from William, son of Miles. It passed to the Hospitallers in 1311 as part of Temple Balsall in Warwickshire, the preceptory to which it had become attached. (10) The nearby site in St John in Bedwardine actually relates to a house mentioned as belonging to the 'passheon's'. (11) As there are no extant records of the order of passionists in Worcester, and the other possible translations of the word relate to 'passage' or 'ferry', John Noake speculates in his The Monastery and Cathedral of Worcester (among other possibilities) that it might have been a reference to a sub-house of the Templars at nearby Temple Laugherne (12) (pilgrims often travelled in Templar ships). It remains to be established whether or not this is the case. '
Notes:
10. Worcestershire Victoria County History (hereafter WVCH), vol III, p505 and Hereford and Worcester Site and Monuments Record (hereafter SMR) no 1322
11. Noake, John - The Monastery and Cathedral of Worcester , 1866, Longman & Co, London p187
12. Noake - ibid p187 n
http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/temple2.htm
Some items that might be useful:
A vision of Worcester St John Bedwardine County CP
http://vision.edina.ac.uk/unit_page.jsp?u_id=10349473
British History Online ~ 'Parishes: St John in Bedwardine', A History of the County of Worcester: volume 3
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43160
Welcome to The Parish of St John in Bedwardine
http://www.stjohninbedwardine.co.uk/
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Looking more closely at British History Online ...
'William Gower, who bought the second moiety of Temple Laughern in 1544, was also the owner of Boughton or Boulton (q.v. infra), and his property in Laughern afterwards became known as the manor of Boulton Colemarsh. (fn. 163) It followed the descent of Queenhill in Ripple (fn. 164) (q.v.), and was still held by the Gower family in 1766. (fn. 165) They sold it early in the 19th century to the Harrisons, who held it till about 1840, when it was sold to the Munns. On the death of the last brother about 1900 it was bought by James Best, whose widow now lives there. (fn. 166)'
'n 1852 Mary Harrison, by her will proved 19 May, left £50 for the benefit of the Sunday school. The legacy is on deposit in the Post Office Savings Bank; the income of £1 5s. yearly is applied to the Sunday schools.'
From: 'Parishes: St John in Bedwardine', A History of the County of Worcester: volume 3 (1913), pp. 501-510. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43160. Date accessed: 20 February 2008.
Victoria County History
Publication ~ A History of the County of Worcester: volume 3
Year published ~ 1913
Pages ~ 501-510
Citation
'Parishes: St John in Bedwardine', A History of the County of Worcester: volume 3 (1913), pp. 501-510. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43160. Date accessed: 20 February 2008.
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Hi
2 parishes in Worcester itself, St John Bedwardine and St Michael Bedwardine.
Info here http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WOR/Where/index.html#B
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Hi
Checked out the A2A reference I mentioned in my previous message, nothing interesting to be gleaned from it. Just Richard Harrison in effect swearing that he had a bona fide “Estate in Law or Equity to and for my own use and benefit consisting of Messuages Lands Tenements and Hereditaments as do qualify me to act as a Justice of the Peace for the County of Worcester in accordance with the true Intent and meaning of an Act of Parliament made in the 18th year of the reign of His Majesty King George the Second”………………….”which said Lands Tenements and Hereditaments are situate lying and being in the Parish of St John in Bedwardine in the County of Worcester.”
I had better luck with the will of Richard Harrison which was proved on 9 September 1795 his wife Mary being the sole executrix. Estate "did not amount to £2000". No time to read the full 7 pages, but a quick skim to get family members names.
1) Daughter Elizabeth wife of Richard Yeomans of the Tything, Worcester
2) Son Robert and wife Elizabeth and their six children- Emma Clara, Sarah, Thomas, William, John Christopher and Henry.
3) Son John William
Another grandson Richard Hopkins Harrison
Thomas Tolley and son-in-law Richard Yeomans to farm Temple Lawn (sic)currently in the occupation of Stephen Barber. There wasn’t enough time to read why and for how long they were to farm the estate. Richard also owned Writers (?) Mill and Ambrose Mill in the same parish - St John in Bedwardine. This was a very large parish at that time. I think others have already given you useful references for that.
It appears that the Harrison family may have been doubly related to the Yeomans. Grazebrook mentions:-
Yeomans of Worcester; as borne by William Yeomans who married Margaret, daughter and co-heiress of Rowland Berkeley, of Cotheridge. The heiress married Harrison of Temple Laughern – Sable, a chevron, between three cronels of spears argent.
Can you just clarify how you know that Jane Harrison who was married outside Worcestershire (in Birmingham) was connected to the Harrisons of Temple Laughern. Did Jane and William Horton marry by licence?
I expect you know that a lot of people used Crests and Coats of Arms in the 19th century that were not actually granted to their family or were fictitious. We have a an old family bookplate and a wax impression taken from a ring with a supposed family Arms and Crest. The advice given 50 years ago by the College of Arms was that the Arms and Crest were of identical design to those born by a 17th century family in London with a different surname, and those to were "Arms that were not allowed"!!!
Nemo
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Tricia, I probably read the ref to St Johns Bedwardine in the article you mention but did not relate it until Nemo came in with his wealth of info. I now know I must pay more attention to detail. Thanks for your great efforts. I also now have a lot of reading to do.
Nemo, I am still working back from William Horton born 1843 whose father William born 1812 was the son of William Horton born 17?? and Jane Harrison.
William and Jane were wed in 4/1/1812 at St Martins, Birmingham, as yet I do not have any marriage cert for that event. Their son William 1812 later moved to Manchester and his son William 1843 migrated to Australia in 1866.
I have a copy of the will of William 1812 (died 1893) showing two coats of arms for Horton and Harrison. A friend of the family also doing some research passed some info to me which had a note saying "Jane Harrison was a decendant of Harrison of Temple Laughem and Richard Harrison was a High Sheriff". To be honest it is only on the strength of this note I am trying to folow up this lead and this is as far as I have got. I think perhaps I should get some birth and marriage certs if they are available to set a few points straight.
Thank you for all the info you have provided, it gives me a lot to think about before my trip to the UK in June/July this year.
Cheers,
Brian
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....William and Jane were wed in 4/1/1812 at St Martins, Birmingham, as yet I do not have any marriage cert for that event. ...
I believe that you would need to check the parish registers, for confirmation of this, because it's prior to 1837. I think that they are in the archives at Birmingham Central Library.
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If you want to see a picture of St Martins, at that time, look here:
http://www.georgeglazer.com/prints/citytown/birmingham.html
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"St Martin’s Church as it stands today is largely a Victorian rebuild of 1872."
Quoted from:
An Urban Cemetery: Excavations in St. Martin’s Churchyard
http://www.arch-ant.bham.ac.uk/bufau/projects/BullRing/St%20Martins.htm
Pics of the remodelled church:
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/GenerateContent?CONTENT_ITEM_ID=1860&CONTENT_ITEM_TYPE=0&MENU_ID=13452
http://postcards.vefur.is/uk017.html
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/GenerateContent?
http://www.westmidlandsprepared.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/10-M/y-/birmingham-bullring-and-st-martins.jpgCONTENT_ITEM_ID=58323&CONTENT_ITEM_TYPE=0&MENU_ID=5249
http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119&page=2
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Hi
That's a good idea. Perhaps someone will do a look-up? The parish register will show witnesses which might be useful. If the couple weren't married by banns then they would have had a marriage licence.
Here is the website where you can ask the Lichfield Record Office in Staffordshire to do a search for the marriage licence allegation and bond relating to marriage at St Martins Birmingham. Lichfield holds the Diocesan records. I don’t know if they have a Marriage Index. I only have experience with Worcestershire licences, which have been indexed and can sometimes give useful clues as to where people were from and relationships etc - other times - no help at all!
http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/8A6731E6-618B-4478-B2D5-A99076F791FE/32990/LROResearchServiceFormnewMBsNov05.doc
Regards
Nemo
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Many thanks to everybody with all the help you have given me on my search for Jane Harrison and possibly her dad Richard. I will chase after the Parish registers and anything else I can find. I will also keep an eye on this board.
Thanks again,
Brian in Queensland. Aus.
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Hi Brian
At last Ive found my photocopy of the High Sherriffs of Worcestershire from 1837 to 1928 & am sorry to report that the name Harrison is not one of them - if you would like to give me your e mail address I can send you the list that I have
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All the very best
Phil
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Hi, I've just done a Google search for Temple Laugherne and found this website and forum.
I've lived at Temple Laugherne House for 24 years and I'd be more than willing to help you with any information you might need.
Temple Laugherne Was built in 1133 by the Knights Templar and was the headquarters for their activities in Mercia. The immediate estate was approx 3,600 acres and the original building was capable of housing 1,300 Templar Knights and associated staffing at any one time. The property has been reduced in size over the years (a good place to see it is Google Earth) and although it still has all its charm and is a sizable property, it's nowhere near its original size.
Folklore claims there is an ancient tunnel that links Temple Laugherne to Worcester Cathedral, but to date no tunnels have been found at Temple Laugherne's end. Worcester Cathedral's Library holds extensive information on the property, including past owners and associated coats of arms.
The "St. John in Bed" that you mention is St. John in Bedwardine, Bedwardine being a very old name for the area, now referred to as "St. Johns". This is the closest housing area to Temple Laugherne, approx a mile or so from the property.
A good place to start researching past High Sherriffs of Worcester would be to Worcester City Council. We have had high sheriffs in Worcester until just a couple of years ago (not sure if we have one now) but the last person to hold the position was Andrew Grant, a well respected and very successful estate agent in the area.
I hope this helps you a little,
All the best.
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A list detailing all former High Sheriffs of Worcester is located within the Shire Hall, a window is dedicated to each.
I live in the Lodge for Temple Laugherne house, which I assume would have been the manor house.
Regards
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I knew there was a plaque in the shire hall but never knew the sherrifs each had a window dedicated to them - I must go & have a look on one of my visits to Worcestershire as one of the sherrifs is on my tree - cant remember the christiaan name of the top of my head but the surname is Holliday (he was also one of the lord chamberlaians of Worcestershsire
All the very best
Phil
ps I have a photocopy made at the History Centre of the sherrifs of Worcester if anyone is interested I will send them the details (but not in scanned format)
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Hi, I've just done a Google search for Temple Laugherne and found this website and forum.
I've lived at Temple Laugherne House for 24 years and I'd be more than willing to help you with any information you might need.
Temple Laugherne Was built in 1133 by the Knights Templar and was the headquarters for their activities in Mercia. The immediate estate was approx 3,600 acres and the original building was capable of housing 1,300 Templar Knights and associated staffing at any one time. The property has been reduced in size over the years (a good place to see it is Google Earth) and although it still has all its charm and is a sizable property, it's nowhere near its original size.
Folklore claims there is an ancient tunnel that links Temple Laugherne to Worcester Cathedral, but to date no tunnels have been found at Temple Laugherne's end. Worcester Cathedral's Library holds extensive information on the property, including past owners and associated coats of arms.
The "St. John in Bed" that you mention is St. John in Bedwardine, Bedwardine being a very old name for the area, now referred to as "St. Johns". This is the closest housing area to Temple Laugherne, approx a mile or so from the property.
A good place to start researching past High Sherriffs of Worcester would be to Worcester City Council. We have had high sheriffs in Worcester until just a couple of years ago (not sure if we have one now) but the last person to hold the position was Andrew Grant, a well respected and very successful estate agent in the area.
I hope this helps you a little,
All the best.
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i also lived in this house from early 1962 to 1968 along with the godsell family the story of the tunnel is extremely intriguing as i can remember their being a flight of stairs at the back of the house which went down beside the large backroom where the well is these stairs were always flooded and we always thought this was because the water was coming in through the side wall off the well
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I am Ann Godsall would you like to say who you are when we lived there there was clive, marion, dawn michael, malcom, sissons, linda and gordon, and jennifer and my sister lesley
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Hi Brian
I posted a message on here about Richard Harrison of Temple Langhern and was directed to this thread.
I have been trying to establish a link between the Harrison family and the family of a friend for whom I do a lot of research.
Members of my friend's family have certain items in their possession, one is a silhouette of a gentleman with Richard Harrison, High Sheriff of Worcester written on the back. Also another family member has a painting on his wall of a very distinguished gentleman in military uniform who I believe is John Christopher Harrison.
Yet another family member gave my friend an envelope containing papers connected with William Henry Harrison (1866-1916). William was married to Annie Chown and two of his sons, Victor William Harrison and Cyril Henry Harrison were in the Royal Flying Corps in WW1, Cyril being killed in action. There were also several daughters.
So far I have not found any connection between my friend's family and the Harrisons and there is only one person with the name Harrison in the family tree. She was Elsie Constance Harrison whose second husband was Godfrey Creswick Jackson (my friend being descended from the Jackson family). Coincidentally, Godfrey and Elsie lived in Australia for a while and Elsie's 3 sons from her first marriage, took the name Creswick. After Godfrey's death, Elsie remained in Australia and her sons married and had families there.
There must be a connection otherwise why would my friend's family have these items. One cousin was brought up believing these people were her ancestors but has no other information.
As you are researching Richard Harrison of Temple Langhern, I am wondering if you know are connected to the Harrisons mentioned above?
I am happy to communicate by private message if you prefer.
Thank you.
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Its worth looking for your ancestor who was high sherriff's funeral as in Berrows Worcerster Journal as there may well be a list of all the mourners which could at least let you know if someeone of the name you are seeking to link was at the funeral. This worked for me when looking at the funeral account of Charles James Holliday a descendant of mine who was also a High Sheriff of Worcester
Good Luck
All the very best
Phil
Weston-super-Mare
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Thanks for that tip, Philheeks.
I expect I will have to go to the local record office to search that.
Carole
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Hi there
Did you ever manage to have a look at that book with the high sherrifsof Worcester in them
All the very best
Phil
ps at least I've moved you back to the top of the list again
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I wondered if anyone knows , Which year Lower Temple Laugherne farm was built and who by!
Was it Katherine White and William White of Temple Laugherne who later lived in a newly built house in 1664.
if William Gower and Richard Goodyear had Temple Laugherne in 1544.
Where did Robert Stanford fit in.....Did he owned Temple laugherne or lower temple laugherne farm .
When was Oldbury farm builted. and who owned it in the mid 16th century!
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Hi, I'm researching the Harrisons of Temple Laughern, which is today close to the village known as Lower Broadheath. Richard inherited the freehold estate at Temple Laughern in 1769 from his uncle Robert. Does anyone know precisely where this freehold estate was located.