RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Oxfordshire => Topic started by: masha on Sunday 17 February 08 16:54 GMT (UK)
-
Can anyone suggest where I look for my Gt Gt Gt Grandfather and his family?
I can find him, Edward and his wife Ester, listed as the parents of my Gt Gt Grandfather, Thomas, at his baptism in Enstone, 15th May 1831 (parish record)
There is no record of the family on any of the census returns. I know that Thomas married Rebecca, they were both 18, and I can find them on the census returns. Thomas died in Enstone in 1898 and Rebecca is listed on the 1901 census living with her son and family.
I would love to know where Edward and Ester(possibly Hester) came from and where they lived.
Any suggestions as to where I can look, or as to why I can't find the family on 1841 etc census?
Many thanks
Masha
-
Hi Masha,
Unfortunately Thomas isn't with his parents in 1841 :-\
1841
HO107/878/11 5 5
Enstone, Oxfordshire
Thomas Herbert, 64, Ag lab
Jane, 66
Thomas Huckin, 10
Have you checked possible deaths yet? :-\
-
Hi Masha ...
From the OFHS's Oxfordshire Marriage Index (1538-1837):
20 NOV 1823 - Edward HUCKING to Hester HERBERT at Enstone
And from the IGI, two children baptised at Enstone:
14 OCT 1827 - Eliza HUCKINGS
15 MAY 1831 - Thomas HUCKING
Also on the IGI, could this be father Edward:
Parish of Chadlington - 27 APR 1788 - Edward HUCKIN, s. William and Mary
As you will see from the map at http://searches.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/pardata.html, Enstone and Chadlington are almost adjacent.
It may be worth checking the Chadlington PRs to see if this Edward continues to live in the parish (marrying, producing offspring, etc.). FreeBMD has a death for an Edward HUCKIN (aged 83) in 1871. The death is registered in Chipping Norton (which incs. Enstone and Chadlington), so this is almost certainly the Edward baptised in 1788 above.
On Tati's 1841 census entry, it would seem that Thomas is with his maternal grandparents. I can find no sign of parents Edward and Hester, or sister Eliza, on this or subsequent censuses, so it may be that the rest of the family died. Have you checked the Enstone PRs for any burials? If nothing turns up there, then you can have a search done by the OFHS of the Oxfordshire NBI.
I also checked the OMI/FreeBMD to see if Hester had remarried, but couldn't find anything to confirm this.
Not sure if this is any help ... or not!
Pennie
NB All surnames spelt as recorded.
-
Many thanks for this information. I know that the Huckin family is inter-related across various parishes in Oxfordshire, so I definitely need to check Chadlington. Perhaps the family did die before the 1851 census, but then the death of an Edward in 1871 would suggest that he at least was alive, but where? The mystery deepens.
Your help is much appreciated and will give me more leads for my next trip to the local libraary.
Regards
Masha
-
Morning both :)
The Edward born 1788 Chadlington is found in Chadlington through census until 1871. He's married to a Martha. :-\
-
Hi
From the register transcripts of Enstone
burial 1831 Oct 8th Edward Hucking gaed 35 otp
the marriage of Edward to Hester in 1823 was witnessed by Edward Bennett & William Herbert
Although Edward is 'otp' he was not born there, the first Huckin (and varients) entry in the transcripts in the marriage in 1823
but at least now you now that you are looking for the baptism of an Edward Huckin about 1796, and why you can't find him on the census - not sure what happened to Hester though, there is no burial or remarriage for her that I could see in the parish
:)
Debbie
-
All this info is really helpful, many thanks. Thomas was only a few months old when his father died if this information is correct and that could explain why he is living with his maternal grandparents in 1841, by 1851 he is married with his own family. Perhaps Hester moved away and married someone from another parish. I'll keep looking.
What a fantastic service from Rootschat people and early in the morning as well - glad to know that I'm not the only one accessing the site at these early times.
Regards
Masha
-
Hi Masha.
Thomas was my Gt Grandfather. Edward did indeed die shortly after Thomas' birth. I am Ian Huckin, born 1955.
This next part is Huckin Folklore from Thomas' youngest son - Walter. Hester, Thomas and Elizabeth moved to somewhere in Northants, but Thomas came back to live with relatives.
There was another Daughter - Ann (shown as Hutchins in Baptism Records, but she was certainly their's) who married Stephen Taylor, landlord of the 'Crown Inn', Church Enstone.
What happened to Hester and Elizabeth, no-one knows. Where Edward was born is also a mystery. He could have been illegitimate and changed his name (there was a George born about that time); never baptised; or could have been from Combe - another hotbed of Huckin's, and their records for that time were destroyed in a fire.
I have a quite comprehensive and up-to-date tree if you wish to share, and I also have an Aunt who remembers almost everyone from 1927 onwards (she has all her marbles). I live in Enstone, as does my Aunt.
-
Hi Masha ...
Following on from Ian's information (above), just wondering if Hester could have remarried in Northamptonshire? Possibly worth checking the Northants. MI!
Pennie
-
Hello Ian
Thank you for the information. I have puzzled over this family for the last few weeks. I'm more than happy to share my tree, just let me know how we can do this.
I used to stay in Enstone during summer holidays, I stayed with my Gt Aunt, Gertrude Hawtin, she lived in Cleveley Road I think. As you will probably know, the Huckin and Hawtin families are linked in a number of generations.
Thank you also to Pennie - I haven't had a chance to look at other records, I had wondered if Hester moved to Banbury and remarried, but Northants is just as likely.
:) Masha
-
Well, guess where I live in Enstone!!! Yes indeed, the Hawtin's are still around. I see some of them regularly. Lil, who lived in Cleveley Rd, died less than 3 years ago. Her husband was Henry, and her mother-in-law was Ethel Huckin.
By the way, I have checked Northants Census' for Hester and Elizabeth, but no joy. Maybe BMD would show Elizabeth marrying?
Have you thought about joining the Banbury Geanlogical list? A nice friendly bunch, and not too much rubbish. Type Banburyshire in google and it will take you to the website, which will give you the link to that list. My e-mail address is irhuckin@aol.com if you wish to contact me directly.
Ian
-
Hi,
Newbie here... :-)
Edward is my 4th great-grandfather and like Masha I'm drawing blanks before him. Well, direct line blanks... there's lots of parallels but nothing direct. Ancestry.co.uk tried to put William Huckin as his father, but the DoB they gave meant he would have been 9 at the time... however, I wondered if William might actually have been a brother...
I can find *a* William that married Mary Ann Newman on 24/1/1765, then he married Mary Gardner on 3/6/1784. Can't find any children from this yet.
I started a tree on My Heritage that's got a little out of hand with 1500+ people in it for both myself and my wife ( her sides goes back indirectly to 1591). Decided to start again and only put "significant" people in on Ancestry.co.uk, then will upload to MyHeritage once it's where I'd like it.
I was born in Sheffield, moved to Hull, then to Lancashire in 1999. We now live near Preston which ironically is where my grandfather was born, but I never knew. Trying to work/find out why the only branch of the Huckin tree we ever kept in touch with (and that was very rare) was my father's sister June who was his step sister from his mother's first marriage. Despite his father (Eric Walter) being part of a bigger family, we never saw any of them. Found out that some of them died in this area in the last 15-20 years...
Also... according to the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Baptism, Marriages, and Burials, 1538-1812 (page 17 of 72) Hester's parents were Nicolas and Mary, so perhaps Thomas Herbert is an uncle?
Ann Huckin seems to have been born in 1824 and died in 1861, Eliza seems to be 1827-1880
Tym
-
Hi
From the register transcripts of Enstone
burial 1831 Oct 8th Edward Hucking gaed 35 otp
the marriage of Edward to Hester in 1823 was witnessed by Edward Bennett & William Herbert
Looking further at this page of the marriage register, Edward Bennett was witness at 3 of the 6 weddings on those pages. Fanny Bennett was witness at 2 and Thomas Bennett was witness at 1.
Begs the question of whether the Bennetts were the go-to family for wedding witnessing if parents were not around...?
This implies that both Edwards Huckin's parents died before November 1823. The only records of Huckins who died before 1823 (and not to old to father Edward) were out of county.
Sorry to add (again) to a rather old thread, but I'm hoping someone will still pick this up and run with it.