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Quick Annie before the Mods move it ;D
Just look what I found in Philips Park Cem today - I was out looking for Carey graves and came across this treasure.
So as well as a Rorkes Drift VC survivor, a Mesopotamia VC survivor we also have a member who took part in the "Charge of the Light Brigade"
Ken
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Oh WOW !! ...... oh wow !!
That's wonderful Ken ... isn't it ?? ooh ... what can we find out ??
Thank you so much for finding it !!
Annie :)
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I'm whispering this .... but I found a list of Yorkshire men ::)
This is the list of those in the 11th Hussars ( Yorkshire men ! ) who Rode in the Charge of The
Light Brigade at Balaclava
BENTLEY William Sgt Kilnwick 1835 at Beverley
816 Mar 1st 1891 cwm+casps
Saved by Lt DUNN from Russians. Died at 2 Cresent Groves
Yks, Buried York Cmty as Troop Sgt Major, 'one of the 600'
BROWN Samuel Charles Pte Leeds 1845
1824 cwm+claps
Warehouseman
LEVETT Robert Pte York 1846
1820 cwm+clasps
Labourer
Killed Apr 5th 1854 Wife Sarah of Howden
MILBURNE Silvester Pte Leeds 1833
1824 cwm+clasps
Wounded in The Charge Received his medal from
Queen Victoria
WARD David Pte Leeds 1839
1820 cwm+clasps
Slubber Killed Apr 5th 1854 cannon ball in chest,
wife Sarah of Farnley, Leeds
WILLIAMS James W Cpl Leeds 1831
1820 cwm+clasps
taken prisoner, Father James of Deptford
Kent, Known as Old Taffy
WILLIAMS Thomas Pte ? 1850
cwm+clasps
known as Young Taffy, signed Loyal
Address
Notes:-
This Regimental records show, in most cases, full date of birth. I have only
included the year
MR date of Muster Roll
Medals. cwm = crimea war medal
Death. Name/Location of Next of Kin shown
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/YORKSGEN/2004-11/1101685927
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Me WOW too Ken !!!
Thanks for posting.
Wendi :)
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I'm touched by the poppy ! :'(
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Here's another soldier died in Manchester Ken !! :) wonder if he's at Philips too ?? wouldn't that be something ??
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02qs/
Somewhere I have pictures of the first banquet ...... I'm looking for them .... put them in a safe place ..... ::) ( where's Mack ?? )
Edit ... I didn't read it properly he's at Weaste Cemetery !!
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I guess I have to buy the book !! ;D
The story of the famous charge was told from the point of view of a local historian in "The Way to Glory" by James W Bancroft, published in 1988 by Neil Richardson, 375 Chorley Road, Swinton, Manchester ISBN 1 85216 024 1. The following notes are from the introduction:
While doing research for a book about the battle of Balaclava in the Crimean War, I came upon an article in the Manchester Evening News about a show which had been performed at the Free Trade Hall on 21st May 1890, to raise funds for the survivors of the famous Charge of the Light Brigade who were living in the north of England. The entertainment was provided by the Hulme Committee and the Court Amateur Players and raised nearly two hundred pounds. The names of seventeen beneficiaries appearing on the stage were reported: 17th Lancers: Sergeant-Major Nunnerley, Sergeant-Major Williams, Sergeant Butler, Corporal Marshall and Troopers Holland, Pearson and Wright. 11th Hussars: Sergeant Brown and Troopers Glanister, Jamieson and Richardson. 8th Hussars: Sergeant O'Donoghue and Troopers Hogan, McCausland, Mortimer and Palframan. 4th Light Dragoons: Trooper Palin.
I was intrigued by these men and the feasibility of their having local connections, so I embarked on a project to try to find out more about them. Some of my researches proved fruitless, but most of them were fascinating and led me to yet more of the region who went "into the jaws of death"
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Oh WOW !! ...... oh wow !!
That's wonderful Ken ... isn't it ?? ooh ... what can we find out ??
Thank you so much for finding it !!
Annie :)
1567 john richardson
11th hussars
born at carlisle in 1827,he enlisted in the 11th hussars in oct 1852,
he reached the russian guns at balaclava and while fighting,he recieved 2 lance wounds in his left arm,his horse was shot from under him
at the battle of inkerman eleven days later,he came under a barrage of russian shells,the man next to him was hit in the head and killed and both their horses hit.
apart from a spell at scutari in april/may 1855,he served throughout the campaigne.
he recieved the crimea medal with clasps for alma,balaclava,inkerman and sebastopol.
while quartered at hulme barracks in 1862,he went 6 days absent without leave and when confronted by the adjutant on his return,his behaviour was considered as insubordinate
the adjutant was a strict officer,who victimised pte richardson,he was sentenced to fifty lashes in the riding school and given a prison sentence.
however,the flogging was so severe,that it put him in hospital for 28 days
his father wrote to the duke of cambridge,who ordered that he was to be liberated at once and discharged.
he was discharged for misconduct and recieved no pension
the flogging was also brought to the attention of the duke of connaught.and pte richardson was the last man to be flogged at hulme barracks
in 1863 he went to america and joined the new jersey volunteers and fought against the confederates at pittsburg.
he returned to england in 1865,married and settled in manchester.
member of the balaclava commemoration society.
his experiences were published in spy magazine on 25-6-1892.
by that time,he was blind in one eye and partially sighted in the other,he was forced to pawn his medals when his wife died.
he was admitted to crumpsall workhouse,he died there in late july 1897,the same year that the t.h roberts fund was started,so he did not benefit from the fund.
he was given a worthy funeral with military honours,organised by major ballentine,the master of the workhouse.
mack
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Imagine going through all that and dying in the workhouse.........It doesn't sound right does it. Poor man. :-\
Barbara
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Thanks Mack ... I knew you would know ...... !! :)
Breaks your heart doesn't it ? ..... he couldn't even keep his medals for consolation ...... wonder where they are now ? ... probably in somebody's collection :-\
What a life ..... God love him !! ..... too many old soldiers ended up in the workhouse I'm afraid ! nobody caring whether they lived or died ..... makes me very humble reading these stories !
Annie
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If he was in Pittsburg ... I think this might be him !!
Union New Jersey Volunteers
27th Regiment, New Jersey Infantry
Organized at Camp Frelinghuysen Newark N. J. and mustered in September 3, 1862. Left State for Washington, D. C., October 9, 1862. At East Capital Hill till October 29 and near Alexandria, Va., till December 1. Attached to 2nd Brigade, Casey's Division, Defences of Washington, D. C. to December 1862. 2nd Brigade 1st Division 9th Army Corps Army of the Potomac to March 1863, and Army of the Ohio to June, 1863.
Service
Moved to Fredericksburg December 1-10. Battle of Fredericksburg, Va., December 12-15. "Mud March" January 20-24, 1863. Moved to Newport News, Va., February 11-13, thence to Suffolk Va., March 18 and to Lexington and Nicholasville, Ky., March 19-28. Operations against Pegram's forces till May. Expedition to Monticello April 25-May 8. Monticello May 1. Camp near Somerset till June 3. Moved to Hickman's Bridge thence to Cincinnati Ohio June 15. Volunteered services in Pennsylvania during Lee's invasion of that state after term had expired. On duty at Wheeling, W. Va., and at Pittsburg, Pa. and vicinity till June 26. Moved to Harrisburg Pa. June 26 thence to New Jersey and mustered out July 2 1863.
Regiment lost during service 1 Officer and 93 Enlisted man by disease - Total 94.
John Richardson
Regiment Name 27 New Jersey Infantry
Side Union
Company L
Soldier's Rank In Pvt.
Soldier's Rank Out Pvt.
Film Number M550 roll 19
http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/soldiers.cfm
Annie :)
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Annie/Mack
Amazing
Here is your next challenge ;D - Migky sent me a link to Philips Park cemetery, this is an extract
The cemetery also contains a number of graves of historic interest. These include two survivors of the 1854 Charge of the Light Brigade in the Crimean War, a soldier who received the Victoria Cross for bravery at the battle of Rorke’s Drift in 1879 (famously dramatised in the 1964 film ‘Zulu’), and a family who perished during the 1915 sinking of the liner Lusitania, an act that would contribute to the United States’ decision to enter the First World War.
I wonder who the other was?
http://www.philipspark.org.uk/PhilipsPark/About/Cemetery/Default.aspx
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Hi Ken !
I was wondering if it might be our South Lancs boy !! ....... he died in Salford but I don't know where he's buried !! :-\ but he wasn't in the "Charge " :-\
The 19th December was the 150th anniversary of an incident during the Crimean War for which local man William Norman was awarded the Victoria Cross. He was the first Warringtonian to be so honoured.
Born in Bank Quay in 1832, Norman joined the local militia in February 1853. In May 1854, after the outbreak of the Crimean War he transferred into the Royal Fusiliers. On 19 December 1854, Private Norman was on duty alone in a remote ravine when he was confronted by three Russian soldiers who took him prisoner. He managed to turn the tables on them, killing one and capturing two, and as a result was nominated for a Gallantry award. This award was the newly created decoration for valour, The Victoria Cross. On 26 June 1857, in Hyde Park, William Norman and several other recipients received the Victoria Cross from Queen Victoria in what was the first such ever award ceremony. William Norman continued his army career for nearly 11 years, and served as a Corporal in India during the time of the Indian Mutiny.
On returning to Warrington, he worked as a Carter, but retained his military connections by joining the 1st Volunteer Battalion of the South Lancashire Regiment. In later life, he moved to the Salford area where he died on 13 March 1896.
Here's your Rorkes Drift soldier !!
http://www.rorkesdriftvc.com/vc/jones2.htm
Wish I had that book !! maybe it was one of these !!
17th Lancers - Sergeant-Major Nunnerley, Sergeant-Major Williams, Sergeant Butler, Corporal Marshall and Troopers Holland, Pearson and Wright. 11th Hussars - Sergeant Brown and Troopers Glanister* Jamieson and Richardson. 8th Hussars - Sergeant O'Donoghue and Troopers Hogan, McCausland, Mortimer and Palframan. 4th Light Dragoons - Trooper Palin.
* Weaste Cemetery
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17th Lancers - Sergeant-Major Nunnerley, Sergeant-Major Williams, Sergeant Butler, Corporal Marshall and Troopers Holland, Pearson and Wright. 11th Hussars - Sergeant Brown and Troopers Glanister* Jamieson and Richardson. 8th Hussars - Sergeant O'Donoghue and Troopers Hogan, McCausland, Mortimer and Palframan. 4th Light Dragoons - Trooper Palin.
* Weaste Cemetery
Annie
Have you any first names on these soldiers?
Ken
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The short answer is "no" I'm afraid .... ::) but the author of the book said .......
I came upon an article in the Manchester Evening News about a show which had been performed at the Free Trade Hall on 21st May 1890,
Wonder if they would be named there !! :)
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Think this is it Ken !! .... just need to look 'em all up ! :)
http://www.chargeofthelightbrigade.com/allmen/indexallmen.html
Annie :)
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:o :'( :o :'( :o :'(
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Annie
I have just emailed them - see if they have any idea who the other soldier is
Fingers crossed we may get a photo yet ;)
Ken
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Whhaatt ?? ::) ..... you want me to look them up ?? ;D ;D
I will later .... I have to get out of here for a bit ... got a meeting !! ::) ::)
Annie :)
Edit ... why didn't I think of that ?? :P ..... I've got segs on me eyeballs looking for them !!
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aaarrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
email bounced back
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
info@chargeofthelightbrigade
Unrouteable address
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Hi Ken
Try sticking .com after the email address.
Dave
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Well spotted Dave
The error is in the website link "Contact us at info@chargeofthelightbrigade.com" it only puts info@chargeofthelightbrigade into my Outlook Express
I should have looked.
Ken
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So do you want to try again Amigo ? .... or do you want me to go through the list while you're snoring ?? ;D
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:P I resent soon as Dave spotted the error :P
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Here's a few interesting pieces !! :)
http://www.runet.edu/~wkovarik/class/history/treasury/300.russell.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9905E4DC173EE73BBC4850DFB767838C669FDE
( John Levick is on the list !! :) )
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/guides/halloffame/historical/edwin_hughes.shtml
http://www.layton-friends.org/news.htm#alexander
October 4, 1907 issue of the Bayfield County Press:
AGED JUDGE DIES
Samuel Brisley Passes Away at His Home in Ashland
Judge Samuel Brisley of Ashland, aged 86, a veteran of the Crimean War, died in that city Wednesday morning.
Judge Brisley spent three years in the Crimea, having previously served in putting down the Irish rebellion. He was shipwrecked at Sebastopol and fought in the battles of Inkerman, Alma and Valla Valla. He also witnessed the charge of the Light Brigade. He was an artilleryman and while he was loading his gun, the Cossacks charged the British lines and he was struck in the face by a saber by a Cossack rider. He was in the hospital at Carma when the famous English nurse, Florence Nightingale, arrived there.
He was a resident of Ashland for twenty years and at various times was acting judge of the municipal court. For ten years he was the bailiff in the circuit court. All the prominent Catholic bishops and churchmen throughout the state were his personal friends. He was a member of the Order of the Jesuits. Mr. Brisley was a prominent Prohibitionist and one of the best known men in the northern part of Wisconsin and throughout the state. He was the father of eighteen children and was very wealthy.
Contributed by John Griener
Brisley isn't on the list but I thought it was interesting about the shipwreck !! :)
Annie :)
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I think somebody is trying to tell us something ....... ooh eee ooh !! ::)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=287228.msg1701980#msg1701980
Annie :)
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Another Rootschatter has William Bentley in her tree see:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,127521.0.html
Pinetree
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The link for the Yorkshire Press article about him is now:
http://archive.yorkpress.co.uk/2005/4/4/226884.html
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Thanks Pinetree .... I hadn't seen that post !!
How wonderful it would be - to have them actually part of your family !! :)
I'm enthralled with these soldiers ..... and what they went through ..... all I can do is sigh and shake my head ...... they were brave men .... that's for sure !!
Not so sure about their leaders though ... who apparently ate a champagne lunch /dinner afterwards !! :P
Annie :)
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Annie/Mack
Amazing
Here is your next challenge ;D - Migky sent me a link to Philips Park cemetery, this is an extract
The cemetery also contains a number of graves of historic interest. These include two survivors of the 1854 Charge of the Light Brigade in the Crimean War, a soldier who received the Victoria Cross for bravery at the battle of Rorke’s Drift in 1879 (famously dramatised in the 1964 film ‘Zulu’), and a family who perished during the 1915 sinking of the liner Lusitania, an act that would contribute to the United States’ decision to enter the First World War.
I wonder who the other was?
http://www.philipspark.org.uk/PhilipsPark/About/Cemetery/Default.aspx
pte 1153 richard brown
born malton,yorks,may 1925
occupation.farmer
enlisted in the 11th hussars at york,on 19-4-1843
servant to LT/colonel douglas,who led the 11th hussars in the charge
description of pte brown
6ft tall
dark+handsome
honest model soldier who never apeared in the defaulters book
crimean medal with clasps for alma,inkerman,sevastopol and balaclava
turkish medal.
4 good conduct badges
promoted cpl 13-12-1860
sgt 1-6-1863
recieved a severe rupture, and discharged as unfit for further service on 5-7-1864.at newbridge,ireland after serving 21yrs,3mths
his intended place of residence,was trafalgar square,york,but he went to live in manchester.
he helped to dig the manchester ship canal,but rheumatism prevented him from any more work.
at one time,he ended up in the workhouse but later lived in lodgings at 87 renshaw st,hulme[1890]
on 16th aug 1890 he was admitted to the union workhouse at withington suffering from undernourishment due to neglect,
he died on 20th aug 1890,aged 65
he was buried in a subscription grave in phillips park cemetery,grave No941.
mack
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Macks come throught again with the goods
Dying in a workhouse would make me think paupers sections of Phillips park, we would be very luck to find the grave. But will have to give it a go.
Ken
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Thanks Mack .... this is really very heart rendering stuff isn't it ? .... we need to do something with this info Ken .... don't you think ?? ... but what ? ::) ::) ::)
mack said ...... "he was buried in a subscription grave in phillips park cemetery,grave No941"
So do you think it will be easier for you to find ??
I'm looking forward to the photos ... if you can get them Ken !! :)
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I'm looking forward to the photos ... if you can get them Ken !! :)
As are we all I should imagine ;D ;D
Barbara
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:( No photo until we can find the section he is in :(
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Well I've got him to here .... :) 1890 Richard Brown ...... but I don't have an account do you ??
http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/RegList.asp
Annie :)
Edit .... well it's not showing what I had .... :-\ heres what I had !!
Register Search Result
1902 Richard H Brown Philips Park
1880 Richard Brown Philips Park
1907 Richard S Brown Philips Park
1919 Richard A Brown Philips Park
1925 Richard Browning Philips Park
1906 Richard Brown Philips Park
1936 Richard Brown Philips Park
1897 Richard Brown Philips Park
1891 Richard Brown Philips Park
1906 Richard S Brown Philips Park
1927 Richard Brown Philips Park
1890 Richard Brown Philips Park
1946 Richard James Brown Philips Park
1872 Richard Brown Philips Park
1910 Richard Brown Philips Park
1885 Richard Brown Philips Park
1879 Richard Brown Philips Park
1896 Richard Brown Philips Park
1923 Richard A Brown Philips Park
1932 Richard Brown Philips Park
1903 Richard Brown Philips Park
1919 Richard J Brown Philips Park
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Hi
Would it not be possible to ring up the relevant Cemetery Office and ask them to put
a marker on the grave for you.
I have been trying to get through to them but no reply yet.
Sandy
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Hi Sandy
We have a bit of a contentious issue in Manchester relating to the burials in council run cemeteries >:(
Until recently you could go to the research room at Blackley crem to look at all the burials in the council cems, then in there money grabbing ways put them online (see annies link) and closed the reseach room, so now you have to purchase credits to get this information :( >:( .
The real sad part of it is a hugh quantity of burials are not online which has been escalated up to the highest level in Manchester council by another rootschatter. The website is so poor you can lose credits without even knowing it which dont help either. >:(
But apart from that little hiccup we will find this burial site, and if no stone is in place demand one be put up, a presidency has been set in Phillips park because they did that for the Rorkes drift survivor.
Ken
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Gosh that is really bad.
Here is a clip from the Manchester City Council page.
If you have a grave reference number (which you are given when you purchase a private grave), cemetery staff can locate a grave whether it is marked or not, because all grave areas are carefully surveyed before being brought into use.
Therefore in Northamptonshire you can ring the office and ask for a marker to be placed in the plot the person is buried in.
Sandy
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Found the section, will go look later this week ;) :) :D ;D
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Woohoo !! ....... good for you Amigo !! ;D
That is wonderful !! ..... can't wait now !! ::)
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Guess what I found ;D
This is a paupers grave which the headstone has been split in half on purpose by the looks of the cut on the piece laid down.
Looking at the disturbance of the soil around this grave it has not been that long uncovered.
The scroll stonework is that badly worn, no words at all can be made out :(
What next Annie?
Regards
Ken
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Thank you Ken !!
What a shame !! but how nice ! ..... I must say I'm quite surprised that you found a headstone at all !! :) Wonder if the scroll stonework pertained to him even ?? maybe it didn't !!
Wonder if they know anything at the office at Philips ? if they have any paperwork etc ??
It would be really nice to do something special for these old soldiers now you've found them - I'm trying to think what we could do ! what do you think ?? any suggestions ?
Annie :)
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Annie
Phillips park does not have an office, it is all controlled by Blackley Crem and like I said earlier they closed the research room and from my experience of them now, they will not help one little bit.
Just tried to find him in the 1871 census, this seems the best fit for him
RG10/4016; Folio: 137; Page: 31
This Richard married into a mature family setting, you will see what I mean if you take a look, is it him ??????????????????????
Ken
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I'm pretty sure that's him !! .... wonder what happened to the marriage if he had to live in the workhouse 20 years later .... wonder if the family did too ??
I bet he was a handsome man .... 6 foot tall .... a bit of a hero .... a little tanned !! :D I can just imagine him !!
Wonder if there's any photos in the paper or any write ups about him ??
Annie :)
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The order that launched the Charge of the Light Brigade, 1854
The Gallant 600
The Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava on 25 October 1854 has come to symbolize both the bravery of the British soldier and the incompetence of the Army commanders during the Crimean War (1854-1856). In one of the most notorious military blunders in history, over 260 men out of the 673 who attacked the Russian guns were killed or wounded. The order, written by General Airey and approved by Lord Raglan, the Commander-in-Chief in the East, reads as follows:
‘Lord Raglan wishes the cavalry to advance rapidly to the front, follow the enemy & try to prevent the enemy carrying away the guns. Troop Horse Artillery may accompany. French cavalry is on your left. Immediate. R. Airey’.
Disastrously, Airey’s orders were misunderstood, some of the blame resting with Captain Nolan, who took the message to the Light Brigade. The horsemen charged in the wrong direction straight towards the entire Russian army, rather than towards the guns the enemy had captured earlier. The casualties sustained, along with the loss of 475 horses, meant that the Light Brigade was almost wiped out as an operational force. But the legend of the ‘gallant 600’ remains deeply rooted in the public mind today. It has taken its place in the British popular memory alongside other ‘heroic defeats’ such as Dunkirk in 1940 and Arnhem in 1944.
http://www.national-army-museum.ac.uk/exhibitions/shortVisits/iconic/page12.shtml
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Look what Tony from Blackpool sent me ..... he says theres two soldiers there and he'll get the other one this weeekend .... how cool is this ??
Buried in in Layton Cemetery Blackpool section 1.grave 138 is Sjt William Butler
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Dont you just love rootschat ;D Can more be found?
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Mack can you find any info on William Butler?
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Tony sent me some more stuff on Edwin Hughes ... I didn't realise he was "Balaclava Ned" !!
I invited him to put the stuff on here - but I honestly couldn't resist posting this !! ::) .... a horse that was in the Charge ( and Edwin on the left !! ) .... isn't he wonderful ??
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EDWIN Hughes ..... 'Balaclava Ned' was the last survivor of the infamous Charge of the Light Brigade.
Born:12 DEC 1830
Place of Birth: Wrexham
Biography: On October 25 1854 he rode in the infamous Charge of the Light Brigade, which occurred at the Battle of Balaclava during the Crimean War.
British forces mounted an attack on the Russian artillery which led to the deaths of 272 of the 673 British soldiers involved. The disastrous attack was immortalised in Tennyson's poem The Charge of the Light Brigade.
Edwin Hughes was born in Mount Street, Wrexham, the son of a tinplate worker. He became a shoemaker until 1852 when he joined the 13th Light Dragoons as a Private.
Hughes was injured in the charge and his horse was killed. However he survived and continued to serve in the Crimean campaign until being discharged in 1873.
He then enlisted in the Worcestershire Yeomanry Cavalry, serving with them until 1886. He married and had two sons and two daughters. After the death of his wife he went to live with his unmarried daughter, Mary, in Blackpool.
In 1923 he became the last survivor of the Charge of the Light Brigade. He died in Blackpool in 1927. Though he had moved away from Wrexham he often returned to the town and could be persuaded to tell the tale of his historic experience.
In October 1992, on the anniversary of the Charge, a plaque was placed on the house in Mount Street where Hughes was born.
PS I remember when his medals went on sale .... Tony tells me his medals sold for £16,000 !!
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I was surprised to see William Butler's headstone was in such good condition ........ but this must be why ! :)
Wednesday July 14th 2004 - The Visit of HRH Princess Alexander
CEREMONY TO REMEMBER HERO WHO TOOK PART IN CHARGE OF LIGHT BRIGADE
An emotive tribute ...... dozens of soldiers were joined by HRH Princess Alexander at Layton Cemetery yesterday to re-dedicate a memorial to a Blackpool man who fought in the Charge of the Light Brigade.
On October 25.1854 Sergeant William Butler was one of 137 soldiers in the 17th Lancers who took part in the Charge during the Crimean War - although he was badly wounded and had his horse shot from under him - he survived.
He was brought up in Preston but in later years, following the advice of his doctor to move close to the sea, he and his wife moved to South Shore. He died on February 13, 1901 aged 76.
The Princess who is deputy colonel-in chief of the 17th Queens Royal Lancers, went to Layton yesterday to lay a wreath on Sgt.Butler's grave to mark the 150th anniversary of the Charge of the Light Brigade. She was greeted by the Deputy Mayor of Blackpool, Coun.Susan Fowler - the Lord Lieutenant of Lancashire, Lord Shuttleworth and the Colonel of the Queen's Royal Lancers, Brigadeer Hurrel. Prayers and psalms were said by Reverend Jonathan Ball, the regiment's chaplain, and Reverend Stephen Brook, the vicar of Layton.
Retired captain Mick Holtby, who organised the event, told the gathered crowd about the life of Sgt Butler and after The Last Post and the Reveille, the Princess laid a blue and white wreath on the gravestone.
Article courtesy of 'The Gazette' Thursday July15 2004
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Tony sent me some more stuff on Edwin Hughes ... I didn't realise he was "Balaclava Ned" !!
I invited him to put the stuff on here - but I honestly couldn't resist posting this !! ::) .... a horse that was in the Charge ( and Edwin on the left !! ) .... isn't he wonderful ??
FYI ..... I was referring to the horse "Butcher " .......... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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A horse that actually survived..............now that's something......!! :o :o
I'm loving reading all this. It's fantastic what you're finding.
Barbara
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Can you see the bandages on his back Barb ? ... he was wounded too !!
I love getting all of this but what can we do with it .... that's meaningful ??
Annie :)
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Oh Annie, I've just noticed them........poor baby. :-\ :-\ :-\ He must have gone through hell and back.
You could put all the information in a small book.........or a large book, there's ALWAYS folk looking for stories like this one and Michels tags. Perhaps some govt. ministry would be interested in publishing as a commemorative book.
Barbara
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Can you see the bandages on his back Barb ? ... he was wounded too !!
I love getting all of this but what can we do with it .... that's meaningful ??
Annie :)
Annie
Check your email
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Hi Ken !
I love all of the suggestions in your email ....... do you want to expand on them on here ?? ::)
I think it's a worthwhile project to remember these soldiers !
Although books have been written about the 600 ..... it would be nice to do something a little bit different ... .... I'm thrilled you started this thread .... what journey we could take !! :D :D :D
Annie :)
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Check this out ...... I get so excited over this stuff ..... !!
Balaclava Ned's horse was shot from under him and trapped his leg and to get from under the horse he lost a boot then on returning to our lines he took one off a dead Russian soldier
Ned's horse was called GETUPHUGH !! :D
Here's more ........... :D
Sergeant-Major Edwin Hughes rode in the Charge of the Light Brigade, at the Battle of Balaclava ...... Hughes was injured and his horse was shot from under him as British forces mounted an attack on the Russian artillery which led to the deaths of 272 of the 673 British soldiers ...... however, he survived and continued to serve in the Crimean campaign until being discharged in 1873.
From then on he was known as Balaclava Ned.
According to press interviews he gave in later life he said that following the attack he was "damaged about the face and left leg but not seriously" ...... "We just did our duty without any thought of glory, and of course as in all wars many of our lot paid the supreme price."
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War horse's medal from Valley of Death up for sale ......... as the Light Brigade hurled itself to destruction against the Russian artillery in the most famous cavalry charge in British history, the casualties among the horses were even higher than the riders.
Out of almost 700 horses which galloped into a storm of enemy fire at the Battle of Balaklava in 1854, about 500 were killed, forcing many of the surviving soldiers to stumble back to the British lines on foot. Among the animals which survived the charge and the almost equally terrifying retreat was Drummer Boy, a six-year-old ridden by Lt Col Rodolph de Salis, second-in-command of the 8th Hussars.
De Salis was so impressed by the bravery and stamina of the wounded Drummer Boy that he decided the horse deserved a medal as much as the men who had fought in the heroic but disastrous attack. He acquired a campaign medal awarded to British troops who served in the Crimea and had the rim engraved with the horse's name and the fact that he had been born in Ireland in 1848. On the reverse is the inscription "Carried Lt Col de Salis 8th Hussars".
On April 30 this unofficial campaign award will be auctioned at Spink in London with an estimate of £300-£500, a fraction of the price paid for medals to men who charged with the Light Brigade. telegraph.co.uk 10 Apr 04
http://www.geocities.com/dco700/Britain3.htm
click on photo of the charge to view most of the men who took part,
http://www.nwtv.co.uk/pages/travel/britan/wales/wrex/ned.htm
8th Hussars
Lieutenant Colonel Rudolph de Salis served in the campaign of 1854 - 1855 including the Battles of Alma Balaklava Inkermann and Tchernaya and Seige of Sebastopol - also commanded the cavalry in the expedition to Kertch - in 1854 as Major of the 8th Hussars - in 1855 in command of the regiment
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Sorry Annie I obviously went offline too early last night ;D ;)
I love getting all of this but what can we do with it .... that's meaningful ?? Annie :)
Well this is a start at least !
Wendi :)
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The Battlefield - now and then
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Almost documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj5bilCQEDU
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Oh my !!
Thank you Mike for the pictures and the video ! ...... that is something else .... how fascinating !!
I wonder what happened to the Cossacks afterwards ?? ..... but that's another story ..... isn't it ??
Annie :)
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This just to show there was sadness on both sides ......... :-\
A Russian Cossack sits by his dead horse
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From http://www.militaryhorse.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=48846&sid=eba231c60a2058e95bae5cbcac835fc3
I just spent a short while thumbing through a couple of the Cavalry Journals I have. In issue no.4 of October 1906 there is a short article on the charge of the light brigade...issue no.4 being published on the anniversary of "Balaclava".
This was the first time I heard that at least 2 foreign cavalrymen had joined the charge, apart from the 3rd Chasseurs d'Afrique who joined in the charge supporting the left flank, and enabled survivors to return.
"..Lieutenant Mario Caccia writes from the Italian Cavalry School at Pinerola that it may interest our readers that two Italian Cavalry Officers took part in the charge - Major Govone and Liet. Landriani. The former in an account he sent home says : "We were on the right of the first line, but neither of us saw the finish, as Landriani fell 400 or 500 yards from the Batteries, and I had my horse killed under me 50 or 100 yards further on and was wounded in the shoulder. Landriani was made a prisoner; I retired on foot"...".
John.M.
John D Morgan
From the Russian book "Besieged Sevastopol" by M. Filippov:
Next to this ward there was another one, where French officers stayed, and among them there was Landriani, an Italian , adjutant of Canrobert. He was a handsome man, his leg wounded at Balaclava. In Sevastopol they wanted to cut his leg off, but Landriani saw Prince Menshikov and tearfully begged to intercede for him, as he had a bride and he could not live without a leg. Prince Menshikov ordered to use all efforts, and leg was saved. Now Landriani was recovering. French officers were introduced to the Russians and frequently they played cards together; Landriani started to learn some Russian. He greatly enjoyed words like "lozhecka" (small spoon), "bljudechko" (small cake-plate). He told that back at home he would call his bride such names.
Major Giuseppe Govone
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Govone
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Prince Aleksandr Sergeyevich Menshikov
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I remember reading this book years ago and I went and hunted it down ... I still have it ..... :D
" The Reason Why " by Cecil Woodham Smith was a brilliant study of the Charge of the Light Brigade
It became her most popular book, and afterwards she explained to a television audience how she wrote the Charge itself - working at a gallop through thirty-six hours non-stop without food or other break until the last gun was fired - when she poured a stiff drink and slept for two days ........ ( I think that's why I liked her !! :D )
James Thomas Brudenell, seventh Earl of Cardigan 1797-1868 was the only son of Robert sixth earl of Cardigan and his wife Penelope Anne Cooke. He was born on 16 October 1797 at Hambleden, Buckinghamshire.
It was unfortunate that he was destined to grow up in a world that was almost entirely feminine. He already had an elder sister, and seven more girls followed his birth, of whom six survived. He remained the only son, the only boy among seven girls, unique, unchallenged, and the effect on his character was decisive. He was brought up at home among his sisters, and he grew up as such boys do, spoilt, domineering and headstrong. No arm was stronger than his. No rude voice contradicted him, no rough shoulder pushed him. From his earliest consciousness he was the most important, the most interesting, the most influential person in the world . . .
It was to be expected that his parents and sisters should be passionately attached to him, and natural affection and pride were immensely heightened by the circumstance of his extraordinary good looks. In him the Brudenell beauty had come to flower. He was tall, with wide shoulders tapering to a narrow waist, his hair was golden, his eyes flashing sapphire blue, his nose aristocratic, his bearing proud ... the boy had a dash and gallantry that were irresistible. He did not know what fear was. A superb and reckless horseman, he risked his neck on the most dangerous brutes. No tree was too tall for him to climb, no tower too high to scale. He excelled in swordsmanship and promised to be a first-class shot. He had in addition to courage another characteristic which impressed itself on all who met him. He was, alas, unusually stupid; in fact [he was] an ass. The melancholy truth was that his glorious golden head had nothing in it
http://victorianweb.org/history/crimea/cardigan.html
It still just amazes me that after this terrible debacle ........ this man went to his yacht ( without a scratch ) and drank champagne ...... !! :-\
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How poignant is this picture ??
All that was Left of Them by Richard Caton Woodville.
The Light Brigade had 195 mounted survivors, leaving 113 dead and 134 wounded with 231 unhorsed men ..... after the Charge of the Light Brigade - the roll is shown being carried out.
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Quote Liverpool Annie
It still just amazes me that after this terrible debacle ........ this man went to his yacht ( without a scratch ) and drank champagne ...... !!
The last line of the article sums it up precisely Annie:
"The melancholy truth was that his glorious golden head had nothing in it.........."
And that says everything.
Barbara
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I know Barbara ! ....... :) .... awful isn't it ??
But these two men didn't have to line up with the British - but they did .... it would be interesting to find out what happened to them after the war .... and where they were buried :-\
As soon as the advance started, the Russians withdrew from around No. 3 redoubt, but this was going to have little impact on the firepower the British cavalry were going to face. Cardigan quickly moved into a trot, probably well aware of the dangers they were about to face. The regiments kept pace. One of the three outsiders (the other two being Sardinian officers, Maggiore Govone and Luogotenente Landriani, despite the fact that Sardinia had yet to enter the war)
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/battles_lightbrigade.html
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02un/
Mike gave us the url for Govonne but I can't read it !! ::) ::) and the name on the picture is different .... is it the same man ??
Oh wait ! maggiore means older ..... is that his rank ? .... maybe Major or something ?? .... I'm thinking out loud here .... I haven't the foggiest !! :P ... and is Luogotenente - Lieutenant ? So this guy is really Giuseppe ?? .... just look at all those medals ??
Joseph Gaetano Maria Govone .... after long and serious illness, committed suicide at his home in Sunrise in January 1872.
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Now .... I "get it " ....... !! ::) ::) ::) woohoo !
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02uo/
But now could somebody please find his obituary in the Times February 1st 1872 ?? :-\
Annie :)
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hi annie, i was only kidding when i said Ned's horse was called getuphugh ;D ;D ;D the photo is the valley of death looks grim in black and white. tony
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh Tony ..... I thought it didn't seem right .... but I thought "well Tony said it "!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You're right ! .... black and white photos always put a different perception on things !!
Annie :)
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Here's something interesting .... here's another Lancashire lad !! ;D ;D ;D ( well he's buried there ... so he has to be !! ::) )
The charge of the Heavy Brigade
The charge of the Heavy Brigade during the Crimean War of 1854-6 was successful but tends to be forgotten. Its leader, General James Yorke Scarlett, is buried at Holme Chapel near Burnley, Lancashire, and some of his weapons are in the local museum, Towneley Hall. In the charge of the Heavy Brigade at Balaklava, 600 men led by Scarlett routed around 2,000 of the Russian cavalry. Casualty figures were very low and the Russians in the end did not follow up the disaster which later that day - 25 October 1854 - befell the Light Brigade.
The British and French forces had begun the siege of Sebastopol on 17 October, and the attack on the British-held port of Balaklava was part of the Russian attempt to relieve the siege. There were three main actions in the Battle of Balaklava: the unsuccessful Russian cavalry charge against the 'thin red line' of British Highlanders, the successful charge of the British Heavy Brigade into the Russian cavalry, and the disastrous charge of the British Light Brigade. Julian Humphries of the National Army Museum explained that the Heavy Brigade was a grouping of cavalry units. It had six squadrons from the Royal Scots Greys, the Inniskilling Dragoons and the Dragoon Guards. The job of the Heavy Brigade was to smash through enemy lines and that is what they achieved.
North of Balaklava harbour is a ridge of hills, the Causeway Heights. These were defended by Turkish soldiers in six redoubts. On the morning of 25 October a huge Russian force attacked the Turks. Initially the attack was successful, the Russians captured some redoubts and pressed on. However, they were held up by the 93rd Highlanders under the command of Sir Colin Campbell. William Howard Russell, the Times correspondent described them as a 'thin red streak tipped with a line of steel' - later shortened to 'the thin red line'. The Highlanders drove off the Russian cavalry on their front, but 2,000 or so Russians came down the hill towards the British headquarters and the Heavy Brigade with its 600 men. Although heavily outnumbered, the Heavy Brigade made a charge uphill and within a matter of minutes had cut their way through the Russian forces who turned and fled.
Sir James Yorke Scarlett was the hero of the hour. He had been in the thick of the action and survived it with little more than a dented brass helmet. After the war he was made Adjutant-General and then Commander of the Aldershot Garrison. Later he moved to Lancashire where his wife's family lived. He became involved, not very successfully, in politics - he stood for Parliament but was beaten by the Liberal candidate. General Scarlett died in 1871, aged 72, and is buried in the churchyard at Holme Chapel. There is a story that his ghost, on horseback, rides in the grounds of his old home in what is now Thompson Park.
Tennyson wrote a poem about the Charge of the Heavy Brigade, as he had with the Charge of the Light Brigade. It was published 7 years after Scarlett's death.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/learning/index.shtml?survey=no&url=www.bbc.co.uk/learning/index.shtml&site=learning&js=yes
http://www.poetryarchive.org/poetryarchive/singlePoem.do?poemId=1571
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And here's something from the Irish Times that may interest people .............
The Valley of Death
David Murphy remembers their efforts 25/10/2004
A fifth of the cavalrymen in the Charge of the Light Brigade were Irish !!
Most people now remember the Crimean War only for the medical mission of Florence Nightingale or the disastrous charge of the Light Brigade. More than 660 men - 114 of them Irish - took part in the Battle of Balaclava's foolhardy cavalry charge. When the roll was taken after their ride through the Valley of Death at least 21 of the Irishmen were dead - others were "missing", wounded or captured.
In 1854 Irish soldiers made up about a third of the British army - it is estimated that more than 30,000 served in the Crimea, a peninsula between the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov, in southern Ukraine. This was the first war in which the Victoria Cross, Britain's highest medal for bravery, was awarded - Irish-born soldiers and seamen won 28. Master's Mate Charles Davis Lucas, from Poyntzpass, in Co Armagh, was awarded the first Victoria Cross, for throwing overboard a live shell that landed on the deck of HMS Hecla during a bombardment of the Bomarsund fortress, in the Baltic, in June 1854.
Many Irish civilians were also in the Crimea. When the war broke out a call was made for volunteers for the supply service (the Commissariat) and the medical services. Several Irish doctors offered to work in hospitals in Scutari, in Istanbul, where Nightingale was based, and Balaclava - Irish nurses and nursing sisters worked in them too. Several priests, including two Dublin-based Jesuits, Father William Ronan and Father Patrick Duffy, also served in the Crimea, to help alleviate a lack of Roman Catholic chaplains. Irish engineers and navvies built roads and railways on the Crimean peninsula, led by two Irish chief engineers, William Doyne and James Beatty.
One of the most unusual aspects of Irish civilian involvement was the participation of members of the Irish Constabulary and Dublin Metropolitan Police, who worked as military police with the Mounted Staff Corps and with the Commissariat. Hundreds of Irishwomen also travelled to the Crimea, as each regiment allowed a small number of wives to accompany their husbands. They washed and cooked for the men and, after each battle, helped with the wounded.
The Crimean War was the first conflict to be covered by war correspondents, the most prominent being the Dublin-born William Howard Russell. It is unique in the history of war reporting, as the correspondents operated without censorship. Russell's reports in the London Times, which often told of shambolic supply and medical systems, resulted in severe public criticism for Lord Aberdeen's administration and for military commanders.
For the first time the public was given regular information on the management, or in this case mismanagement, of a war. Russell's despatches destroyed the reputation of the British commander, Lord Raglan, and played a part in the fall of Lord Aberdeen's administration, in January 1855. Among the few war correspondents in the Crimea were two other Irishmen: Edwin Lawrence Godkin, born in Moyne in Co Wicklow, and James Carlile McCoan, born in Dunlow, in Co Tyrone. Both wrote for the Daily News.
Irish families followed the war with great interest, as many had relations serving in the Crimea. There were street celebrations every time the newspapers reported a success. When the south side of the city of Sebastapol, home to a key naval base, was captured, in September 1855, there were celebrations around Ireland. These were repeated when an armistice was signed in Paris in February 1856.
Perhaps the most extravagant public celebration was the Grand Crimean Banquet held in Dublin in 1856. On October 22nd that year 4,000 veterans of the war and 1,000 members of the public gathered in Stack A at Custom House Docks for what must have been the largest formal dinner in Ireland. The guests ate three tons of potatoes, 250 hams, 200 turkeys, 200 geese and 250 joints of beef. Each soldier was given a quart of porter and a pint of port or sherry. Such a conspicuous display seems incredible - just 10 years earlier Ireland was being ravaged by famine.
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Continued !!
We still have physical reminders of the war, in the shape of monuments and even trophy guns. More than 20 Russian cannons were placed around Ireland after the war, including on the steps of the courthouse in Tralee and on the East Pier in Dun Laoghaire.
Yet although the government hailed the end of the war as a great victory, the Irish had become fully aware of the inadequacies of the army's commanders and organisation. Most of the British army's 21,097 deaths had been caused by disease - only 4,774 soldiers were killed in action or died of wounds. Irish names feature prominently on the casualty lists, more than 7,000 Irishmen dying during the campaign.
Towards the end of the war Irish newspaper reports began to sound war weary, as it became increasingly obvious that thousands of Irishmen had paid for the army's lack of organisation with their lives. Many communities, urban and rural, had been destroyed. The parish of Whitegate in Cork, for example, lost 110 men. Thousands of casualties also returned to Ireland, in many cases to be cared for by their families. In others they were reduced to begging.
The Crimean War was, therefore, more than a footnote in our history - from an Irish perspective it was one of the most important and traumatic events of the 19th century.
Interesting I thought !
Annie :)
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Sorry ! .... I'm getting carried away here ... aren't I ?? :P :P :P
It's just that I'm finding all this stuff and I want to share it with you guys ........ !!
OK .... I'll be quiet for a bit ........ !! :P
Sorry again !!
Annie :)
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Don't apologise Annie, we're ALL finding it so interesting.
Barbara
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Mike gave us the url for Govonne but I can't read it !! http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Govone
Annie
Use http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr to translate the page from Italian to English
Ken
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I used Google translate ! :)
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/02vc/
Funeral of Sergeant Mustard of the 17th Lancers (from www.britishpathe.com)
Mike
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I was keeping this picture so I could get more information but you beat me to it Mike !! ;D
Thank you for the Pathe News ... I hadn't seen that ... terrific ... I just love this old man !! :)
ARCHIBALD STANDISH HARTRICK, RWS (1864/5-1950) PORTRAIT OF SGT. JAMES MUSTARD, 17th LANCERS AND THE LIGHT BRIGADE AT BALACLAVA, AT THE CORONATION OF KING GEORGE V Signed, inscribed and dated 1911, pencil charcoal and red chalk 29.5 x 21cm.
http://www.lawrences.co.uk/Catalogues/fa160503/page2.htm
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I sent an email to this guy but it bounced back ..... :-\ :-\ :-\
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/LANCSGEN/2000-01/0946866195
Would be interesting to talk to him to see what he knows wouldn't it ?
Just look at this face .....
http://www.twickenham-museum.org.uk/detail.asp?ContentID=10
Annie :)
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He looks like everybody's favourite Granddad......... ;D ;D ;D
Barbara
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If you enlarge the Casualty return .... you'll see there were 6 Staff ( well 7 including "you know who " - Cardigan !! ) 2 were the the Sardinian soldiers that Mike gave us ....... and the others I'll try and include !! but this from TNA is pretty cool !! :)
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/battles/crimea/charge.htm
Annie :)
8 Brudenell J.T. Major General Staff Led the Charge 28/03/1868
10 Govone G. Major Staff Rode
10 Landriani G. Lieutenant Staff Rode 1858
11 Maxse H.F.B. Lieutenant Staff Rode 08/09/1883
12 Mayow G.W. Lieutenant Colonel Staff Rode 01/01/1873
13 Nolan L.E. ADC Staff Killed 25/10/1854
14 de la TOUR L.G.A Colonel Staff Rode 11/11/1855
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Lieutenant-Colonel Sir Henry Berkeley Fitzhardinge Maxse KCMG (1832 Effingham Hill, England – September 10 1883 St. John's Newfoundland, Canada)
Was a Newfoundland colonial leader and a Captain during the Crimean War.
Maxse was commissioned Lieutenant in the Grenadier Guards in 1849 and transferred to the 13th Light Dragoons and then the 21st Foot in 1852. He was promoted Captain in 1854 and transferred to the Coldstream Guards in 1855. He was promoted Major in 1855 and Lieutenant-Colonel in 1863.
He was wounded at the Battle of Balaclava and received medals of honour for his service. He was lieutenant-governor of Heligoland in 1863 and appointed as governor the following year. Maxse became governor of Newfoundland in 1881. Maxse was instrumental in the construction of the Newfoundland Railway. Most of his term as governor was spent in Germany with his wife. A noted German-language scholar, he published an English translation of Bismarck's Letters to his Wife and Sisters. Maxse died as a result of the injuries he suffered at the Battle of Balaclava.
The Maxse letter
http://crimeantexts.russianwar.co.uk/topics/maxlet.html
Captain Fitz Maxse— adc to Lord Cardigan
Sir Henry Berkeley Fitzhardinge Maxse (1832-83)
Date Event Age
1832 Born. Son of James Maxse and Caroline (daughter of 5th Earl of Berkeley)
01. 6.1849 Lieutenant, Grenadier Guards 17
11. 6.1852 Transfer to 13th Light Dragoons 20
06. 7.1852 Transfer to 21st Foot
1854 Crimea, as aide-de-camp to Lord Cardigan 22
25.10.1854 Wounded in the charge of the Light Brigade
Invalided home
Order of the 5th class of the Medjidie
29.12.1854 Captain, Coldstream Guards
1855 Major 23
1863 Lieutenant-Colonel 31
1863 Lieutenant-Governor Heligoland
Feb 1864 Governor Heligoland 32
22.12.1873 Left the army 41
1881 Governor Newfoundland 49
10. 9.1883 Died at St John's 51
http://www.heritage.nf.ca/govhouse/governors/g52.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Berkeley_Fitzhardinge_Maxse
Bulletins and Other State Intelligence
Maxse Brevet Major HFB Order of the Medjidie
Maxse HFB Major unattached
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02uu/
March 1858 Promotions
Lieutenant and Captain and Brevet Major HFB Maxse of the Coldstream Gaurds to substansive rank
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02uw/
Bulletins and Other State Intelligence
21st Foot Lieutenant Henry Fitzhardinge Berkley Maxse from 13th Light Dragoons to be Lieutenant vice Jervis who exchanges
Dated 6th July 1852
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02uv/
To be Captain without purchase
21st Foot Lieutenant Henry Fitzhardinge Berkley Maxse
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02ux/
Dated 19th December 1854
Hart's Annual Army List Militia List, and Imperial Yeomanry List - Google Books Result by H G Hart - 1855 - Civil service
HFB Maxse, 21 F. Brigade-Major Brevet
Bulletins and Other State Intelligence Compiled and Arranged from ...
1860 - France 3049 Maxse, Brevet Major HFB Order of the Med jidie
1881, Sir H. F. B. Maxse, K.C M.G.
http://www.archive.org/details/yearbooknfld190500newfuoft
Foreign Office files for Japan and the Far East
Series One - Embassy & Consular Archives - Japan (1905-1940)
(Public Record Office Class FO 262)
Embassy and Consular Staff 1923
Tokyo - Third Secretary - H F B Maxse
Lt.-Col. Sir Henry FitzHardinge Berkeley Maxse
b. 1832, d. 1883
Lt.-Col. Sir Henry FitzHardinge Berkeley Maxse was born in 1832 - He was the son of James Maxse and Lady Caroline FitzHardinge Berkeley. He married Auguste von Rudloff in 1859. He died in 1883.
Lt.-Col. Sir Henry FitzHardinge Berkeley Maxse fought in the Crimean War. He held the office of Governor of Newfoundland. He held the office of Governor of Heligoland. He was invested as a Knight Commander Order of St. Michael and St. George (K.C.M.G.).
Children of Lt.-Col. Sir Henry FitzHardinge Berkeley Maxse and Auguste von Rudloff
Ernest George Berkeley Maxse b. 18 Nov 1863 d. 13 Mar 1943
Craven FitzHardinge Alexander Maxse b. 1865 d. 10 May 1926
Reginald Edgar Maxse b. 1869, d. 29 Jun 1945
http://www.thepeerage.com/p8306.htm#i83059
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Captain Louis Edward Nolan, 15th Hussars
http://www.silverwhistle.co.uk/crimea/louisnolan.html
The controversy that arose almost immediately after the charge lasted for some years. Among other things, it became widely accepted that Lord Cardigan was not even present at the charge, allegedly being on his yacht.
Exactly what Capt. Louis Nolan was trying to do at the start of the charge remains unclear - one theory has it - that he was trying to redirect the brigade's advance, having realised that the order he had conveyed had been misunderstood. Another has it - that he was simply an utter cavalry fanatic, which appears to have been somewhat the contemporary view.
At the charge itself the Light Brigade was some 673 strong - of which 195 officers and troopers were killed during the engagement - about 500 horses were killed ! Therefore somewhere in the region of 28% of the attacking force were killed. Added to this are those cavalrymen captured or wounded, and a figure of 35 - 40% casualties/losses is probably a reasonable figure.
Since the charge - misdirected though it was - reached and seized its objective, namely the Russian battery - can it therefore be said to have failed? As a cavalry charge in the mid-19th century it was a success. Tactically it achieved little, apart from perhaps making the Russians wary of British cavalry. The reason the charge has received the level of attention it has - both at the time and since - is because it was quite obvious to those there that it was a colossal error. It was for many the embodiement of the catalogue of blunders that characterised the conduct of the Crimean campaign. The British public were kept aware of what was happening through the uncensored reporting of such journalists as William Howard Russell of The Times
( I need to find the source for this ...... I put it in a safe place ! LA :-\ )
http://crimeantexts.russianwar.co.uk/backgrnd/biogs.html#nolan
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Trumpeter Martin Lanfried sound charge as was sounded at Balaklava 25th of October 1854, on that very same bugle
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02vh/
I PUT forward my great-great grandfather, Martin Leonard Lanfried (or Landfrey), regimental number 986, of the 17th Lancers, who rode in the Charge of the Light Brigade in 1854.
He was wounded and his horse killed. On his return to Britain, he was presented to Queen Victoria.
There is evidence to bolster his disputed claim to be the bugler who sounded the charge. The most remarkable is an original Edison wax cylinder recording made of him in 1890 giving a brief introduction and then playing the charge on the original bugle.
Those who want to hear this recording should go to www.gutenberg.org/etext/10204 After the war, he rose to the rank of trumpet-major before leaving the Army in 1885. Throughout his life, however, he continued to play the bugle at many events, and all were billed as being played on the original instrument.
He is buried in Hove cemetery and his gravestone confirms that he was the bugler at the Charge of the Light Brigade. I believe that, for some time, the instrument was kept at Hove Museum.
Paul Nertney, Pavenham, Beds.
The Daily Mail (London, England) (Nov 23, 2004): p.52.
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Mike, that was unreal...........totally unreal. The hairs on the back of my neck stood to attention.
Thank you.
Barbara
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Trumpeter Martin Lanfried sound charge as was sounded at Balaklava 25th of October 1854, on that very same bugle
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02vh/
Hard to believe isn't it ?? ..... amazing !! :)
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William Bentley - 11th Hussars
Memorial at York Cemetery, North Yorkshire - "In loving memory of Elizabeth the beloved wife of William Bentley who died June 24th 1858 aged 33 years. Also of William Bentley late T.Sergt. Major 11th Hussars and one of the Six Hundred at Balaklava 1854 who died March 1st 1891, aged 74."
The Mounted Troop - the Sound of Hooves
A riding school was built in the Depot in 1845 and extended in 1865 for the Mounted Troop of the Force.
John Mulcahy was the first appointed riding master on 15 June 1866. He was born in Co. Tipperary S.R. in 1828 He joined the RIC in January, 1858 as a sub constable, reg. No. 22742, having served with the 13th Light Dragoons in the Charge of the Light Brigade, in the Crimea. He was awarded the Crimean Medal and four Clasps for Alma, Balaklava, Inkerman, Sebastopol, the Turkish Medal and the Distinguished Conduct Medal.
He was promoted 2nd Class Head Constable on 1 January 1858, 1st Class Head Constable on 1 August 1858 appointed a 3rd Class Sub Inspector on 15 June 1866 and Riding Master at the Reserve in the Phoenix Park Depot. He died at the Depot on 10 June 1872, aged 44 years and he is buried in Glasnevin Cemetery, Dublin. (Grave No. XE 134 Garden)
http://www.garda.ie/pub/communiquedec2002.pdf
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Two letters and an envelope containing pressed flowers collected after the Battle of Balaclava in 1854 have been acquired by the British Library. The letters were sent to Captain Howard Goad, who was killed during the Charge of the Light Brigade. The flowers were picked on the battlefield in his memory. (November 11th)
History Today 53.1 (Jan 2003): p.9(1)
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How lovely that sounds Mike ...... was there a picture .... or are they too fragile ??
13th Light Dragoons
Captain Thomas Howard Goad - killed at Balaklava - 25th October 1854
Aged 27. Son of the late B. Goad and step-son of the late General Sir Thomas Bradford, GCB, GCH.
Cornet Hugh Montgomery - killed at Balaklava - 25th October 1854
Memorial at Harrow School Chapel - "Cornet Hugh Montgomery 13th Light Dragoons fell at the Light Cavalry charge at Balaklava on 25 Oct 1854 aged 24 yrs."
Captain J.A. Oldham - killed at Balaklava - 25th October 1854
17th Lancers
Cornet J. Chadwick - killed at Balaklava - 25th October 1854
Cornet Archibald Cleveland - wounded at Inkermann - 5th November 1854. Died 6th November
Aged 21. From Tapley Park, Devon. Charged with the Light Brigade.
Memorial at St. Johns Church, Instow, Devon - "To the memory of Archibald Cleveland Esq. Born at Tapeley May 10th 1833, Cornet in the 17th Lancers, accompanied his regiment to Turkey. On the subsequent landing of the forces in the Crimea he was present at the engagement between the advanced cavalry and a troop of Cossacks, and in the Battle of the Alma the following day. On the flank march to Balaklava his troop charged the Russian rearguard, when they took several prisoners and a quantity of baggage on the 25th October. He was one of the renowned 500 in the Battle of Balaklava, where he immortalised himself by his cool and dauntless bravery. After fighting through a large body of the enemy and when escaping to camp, 3 cossacks pursued him. He mortally wounded the three and arrived at camp leading his wounded charger, faint from the loss of blood. At the Battle of Inkermann he was mortally wounded by a shell from a Russian Frigate which burst close to him. He expired the following morning at 6 o'clock November 6th 1854."
Lieutenant John Henry Thomspon - killed at Balaklava - 25th October 1854
Aged 22. Son of Robert Thomson, of Camphill, Renfrewshire.
Captain Augustus Frederick Cavendish Webb - died of wounds at Scutari - 6th November 1854
Aged 22. Son of Frederick Webb, of Frederick Webb, of Westwick, Durham.
Wounded at Balaklava. Buried at Scutari - "S. M. Aug. F. C. Webb Capt. XVII Lancers wounded at Balaklava Octr. 25th Died at Scutari Nov. 6th 1854. Aged XXII."
Memorial at Newstead Abbey, Nottinghamshire - "In memory of Augustus Frederick Cavendish Webb, Captain 17th Lancers who died at Scutari 6 November 1854 of wounds received at the charge of Balaclava 25 Octover 1854 aged 22 years. Erected by his brother William Frederick Webb."
Captain J.P. Winter - killed at Balaklava - 25th October 1854
http://glosters.tripod.com/crimcav.htm
‘From Balaklava to Bangalore’
http://www.berksfhs.org.uk/events/MeetingSummaries/meetingsummary2007_09_19_balaklava.htm
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How lovely that sounds Mike ...... was there a picture .... or are they too fragile ??
No picture, just this information
Another piece:
BURGLARS fled with two valuable porcelain figurines from a Black Country home.
Royal Doulton pieces featuring a cavalryman in the Charge of the Light Brigade and Romeo and Juliet were taken from a house at Broadstone Avenue, Leamore, Walsall, during the early hours of Tuesday.
The pair were believed to be worth several thousand pounds.
The cavalryman figurine was a specially commissioned piece and signed by Michael Doulton.
Det Con Martin Hudson, of Willenhall CID, said the figurines were "very distinctive" and urged antique, fine art dealers and ornament collectors to be aware of anyone offering such items for sale cheaply.
Offenders forced a door at the back of the property in Leamore to gain entry between 2.45am and 9am.
Anyone with information about the figurines should call police on 0845 113 5000.
Birmingham Mail (England) (July 27, 2007): p.23.
Features:
* Limited Edition of 500
* Modelled by Alan Maslankowski
* Comes with a black ribbon-tied scroll of Lord Tennyson's epic poem
* Height: 20cm
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A Crimea Medal awarded to a soldier who survived the Charge of the Light Brigade fetched pounds 11,515 at Bonhams in London yesterday. Norfolk-born Private John Strutt of the 11th Hussars was only slightly injured in the charge in 1854.
Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland) (Sept 26, 2007): p.19.
A medal awarded to a soldier who took part in the disastrous Charge of the Light Brigade during the Crimean War sold at auction in London for Pounds 11,515.
Private John Strutt, from Holt, Norfolk, joined the 11th Hussars Cavalry in December 1848; he was 18. He was slightly wounded in the notorious charge on October 25, 1854. He died on February 1, 1855, and was buried in the Crimea.
The Times (London, England) (Sept 26, 2007): p.2
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A SOLDIER who survived the Charge of the Light Brigade but died in poverty to be buried in a pauper's grave was honoured yesterday in a ceremony attended by his modern-day Army regiment.
Thomas Warr was with the 11th Hussars when he was one of the noble 600 who charged the Russian guns in Crimea in 1854.
He remained in the Army for a further six years before returning to his home town, Dorchester, where he died in 1916, aged 87. He was given a full military funeral and people lined the streets, but he was buried in an unmarked grave.
A military historian from the Dorset town, Peter Metcalfe, discovered the sad end to Trooper Warr's life after visiting the Crimea two years ago.
He said: "The charge was one of those glorious British disasters. These men displayed rampant bravery in the face of death.
"For someone to have done what he did only to be completely ignored by his country was woeful.''
Yesterday, on the 152nd anniversary of the battle, the residents of Dorchester joined soldiers from the King's Royal Hussars to remember Trooper Warr.
Some soldiers dressed up in replica uniforms of the 11th Hussars from 1854 and the trooper's own account of the charge was read out to the congregation at St Peter's Church, along with Rudyard Kipling's poem the Last of the Light Brigade.
A horse-drawn carriage carrying two veterans of the 11th Hussars then led a procession to the churchyard where Trooper Warr is buried and a plaque was placed on his grave.
Mr Metcalfe said: "Many of these poor men were left on the scrapheap after leaving the service. Trooper Warr wasn't able to support himself and ended up in a workhouse to make some income. It was the most dreadful experience. As far as I know he didn't have any family.''
Daily Telegraph (London, England) (Oct 26, 2006)(
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INTO the "Valley of Death" he rode and lived to tell the tale for another 57 years.
Private Edward Hindley was one of only two Liverpool men to survive the famous Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava during the Crimean War 152 years ago.
Now the three medals he treasured for the rest of his life are set to fetch up to pounds 7,500 at auction later this month.
The Crimea Medal with four clasps, for Alma, Balaclava, Inkermann and Sebastopol, are being offered at Spink's in London on July 20 together with his Indian Mutiny Medal with one clasp for Lucknow and his Turkish Crimea Medal.
Also included are a portrait photograph of a white-bearded Hindley wearing his medals and an emotive letter from his widow in which she handed over his medals after his death in 1911 to the T H Roberts Fund for surviving "chargers".
Hindley, later promoted to sergeant, lived at 17 Granby Street, off Princes Road, and was with the 13th Light Dragoons at the time of the charge, which provided the inspiration for Lord Tennyson's immortal line: "Into the Valley of Death rode the six hundred."
In fact, it was 673 who rode into a maelstrom of shot and shell, of whom around 195 returned.
Unfortunately, exact details of Mr Hindley's part in the charge are lost in the mists of time. What is known is that he attended many annual dinners of survivors until 1910, a year before his death.
He received help from the Roberts relief fund, which paid for his funeral expenses when he died and also helped to support his widow. He bequeathed his medals to the fund as a token of his gratitude and part of the battered letter from his widow has survived.
It reads: "Dear Sir. My promise I have fulfilled. I herewith send you the medals belonging to my dear late husband. I feel sure they will be cared for and will always remain in your family. "It was his last wish that if anything happened to him you was to have them. He did pride himself with them when he was coming up to London."
Daily Post (Liverpool, England) (July 11, 2006): p.8.
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I feel like I've come full circle .... here we are ....... back in Woolton and St Peters !! :)
Edward Hindley
Literally a stone's throw across the road, with the Woodcroft pub on the corner is the erstwhile home of Private Edward Hindley at No.1 Woodcroft road. Built around 1875, the houses today are a little run-down but still retain that sturdiness common to most Victorian buildings ---when Edward Hindley lived there they would have been sought -after working class dwellings. Prior to his moving to Woodcroft, Hindley had lived in no 17 Granby Street. Despite clusters of medals and a distinguished career when Hindley died in 1911he was buried in an unmarked grave { C of E no h789 }.
http://www.geocities.com/johnhussey1@btinternet.com/woolton.htm
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THE medals of a North Wales soldier who survived history's most famous cavalry charge are expected to raise pounds 15, 000 at auction.
Wrexham-born former cobbler Edwin Hughes was the last survivor of the Charge of the Light Brigade in 1854.
The gallant soldier's campaign medals are set to attract massive interest when they are offered for sale by his descendants in London.
They are his Crimea medal with four clasps, army long service, good conduct, and Turkish Crimea medals.
The medals are expected to fetch up to pounds 15, 000 at auctioneers Dix Noonan Webb in Piccadilly on March 2.
Known as Balaclava Ned, he died in 1927, aged 96.
Only 195 of the 673 troopers who charged the Russian guns survived.
Mr Hughes was born in Mount Street, Wrexham, in December 1830, the son of William and Mary Hughes and one of eight surviving children. A shoemaker before his enlistment in the 13th Light Dragoons in 1852, he soon rose through the ranks to troop sergeantmajor.
Balaclava Ned was in the front rank during the charge. The sandy-haired dragoon was injured when his horse was shot from under him, trapping his leg.
He said many years later: ``I was damaged about the face and left leg but not seriously. ''
Helped on to another horse, he spent the rest of the day in charge of Russian prisoners.
``We just did our duty without any thought of glory and, of course, as in all wars, many of our lot paid the supreme price, '' he said.
``I was glad I was in it and I am glad that I am here to tell the tale. ''
After 21 years in the regiment and a spell as an instructor with the Worcestershire Yeomanry Cavalry, he moved to Blackpool to live with daughter Mary.
The war veteran regularly returned to Wrexham, touring pubs, regaling customers with tales of his exploits.
By 1923, he was the sole survivor of the charge and, with financial assistance running dry, was awarded a special grant from the War Office. Mr Hughes was buried with full military honours. His grave was restored and rededicated by his old regiment in 1992.
CAPTION(S):
Only 195 of the 673 cavalry men survived the Charge of the Light Brigade in 1854; Edwin Hughes (left) survived the Charge of the Light Brigade and lived to 96. His medals (above) are expected to fetch pounds 15, 000 at an auction
Daily Post (Liverpool, England) (Feb 11, 2005): p.11
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It reads: "Dear Sir. My promise I have fulfilled. I herewith send you the medals belonging to my dear late husband. I feel sure they will be cared for and will always remain in your family. "It was his last wish that if anything happened to him you was to have them. He did pride himself with them when he was coming up to London."
How sad this is ...... and how patriotic men ( and women ) of that age were ........ I just find it all so amazing .... !!
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JOHN Howes survived one of Britain's worst military disasters - but he now lies forgotten in a Birmingham cemetary.
Howes was buried in Lodge Hill cemetery, in Selly Oak, following his death on Christmas Day 1902, nearly 50 years after he became one of 'the gallant 600' who charged the Russian guns during the Crimean War.
Now, on the 150th anniversary of the Charge of the Light Brigade, which saw 157 British soldiers killed or wounded, a city councillor has urged the young to take pride in our military past and get the stones cleaned up.
Culture
Coun Peter Douglas Osborn (Cons, Weoley) said: 'The graves of our war dead give young people a sense of our culture.
'We need to make our youth proud of our heritage and the best way to start is by cleaning up gravestones and monuments such as this. I would really like to see a tribute and some recognition for a man who is one of our greatest local heroes.'
John Howes was a sergeant in the 4th Light Dragoons when he and his comrades launched their suicidal attack during the battle of Balaclava, headlong into Russian artillery while strafed from either side by cannon.
He later recalled: how he was one of the last to set out on the charge. 'It was not a fault of my own, it was owing to a brute of a horse I had, not my own,' he said.
'Apart from a slight cut to the head, occasioned by a set-to with a Russian hussar, I escaped without any serious injury.'
Sgt Howes later became a Troop Sergeant Major and the honorary treasurer of the Birmingham Military Veterans Association.
He lived in Spring Road, Edgbaston, and died of pneumonia, aged 73.
As official celebrations took place yesterday, the gravestone to another survivor of the charge who won the Victoria Cross for his bravery was unveiled at St Agatha's church, in Tamworth.
Samuel Parkes became only the second man to win the VC for killing six Cossacks to save the life of a bugler and his regiment's second in command.
A MEMORIAL plaque was unveiled in the home town of a Midlands soldier who won the Victoria Cross for bravery during the Charge of the Light Brigade.
Yesterday's service for Samuel Parkes, in St Editha's Church, Tamworth, Staffordshire, came on the eve of the 150th anniversary of the ill-fated manoeuvre during the Battle of Balaclava in 1854. Trooper Parkes, who was born in the town, was only the second man to be given the VC after he risked his life to save a regimental trumpeter and the second-in command of his regiment, the Queen's Royal Hussars.
But although the soldier survived the Crimean War, he died a pauper aged 49 in 1864 and was buried in an unmarked grave in London.
The service was a triumph for Peter Elkin, Parkes' great-great-great nephew, who has spent years researching his life story for a book, called Tamworth's Forgotten Hero.
Mr Elkin, aged 64, from Cheadle, Staffordshire, said: 'This is a significant day, not only because of he won the VC in the Charge of the Light Brigade, but also because it's the 150th anniversary. He also slipped into obscurity. Tamworth didn't really know of his existence.' The service was attended by members of the Queen's Royal Hussars and the British Legion.
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A bugle used in the Charge of the Light Brigade has returned to the Crimea to take part in a re-enactment battle ( via a Newcastle pub.
The horn which started the bloodbath was kept on display in the Percy Arms on Percy Street for more than a century until 1964, when it was bought by film star Laurence Harvey.
It was originally brought to Tyneside after trumpeter William "Billy" Brittain died in the battle.
Billy, who was originally from Ireland, settled in Newcastle and was responsible for sounding the bugle during the ill-fated attack on Russian troops on October 25, 1854.
He kept the bugle slung around his shoulder as he rode toward enemy lines along with more than 600 men of the 17th Queen's Royal Lancers.
Billy was seriously injured during the battle and died, despite being cared for by Florence Nightingale at Scutari Hospital.
The instrument is believed to have been taken back to Tyneside with his body.
The bugle was badly damaged on the battlefield at Balaklava in modern-day Ukraine, but experts at Lincoln University took on the painstaking task of restoring it in June this year.
Chris Robinson, senior technician in Conservation and Restoration at the Lincoln School of Art and Design, spent weeks conserving and preparing the bugle for this year's anniversary celebrations.
He said: "The bugle was in a shocking state, really.
"It was split, the metal was torn and twisted and it's been repaired at some time in the past with an epoxy adhesive.
"There was also a lot of dirt and polish residue and the copper was fragile from endless polishing.
"Visually it didn't look massively different because I had not done any restoration.
"I just conserved what's there to make sure it stayed together.
"I removed old repairs, strengthened some of the weaker pieces of it and removed the crust of polish residue which had built up in all the places where the polishing cloth wouldn't reach."
The bugle is now kept by the Queen's Royal Lancer's Museum in Grantham.
But it was taken back to the North Field at Balaklava yesterday, where it again sounded the charge.
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Do you think that this maybe a memorial to a Cossack who died during the Charge ??
http://www.whoo.net/balaklava/Balaklava-Crimea-Ukraine_new-picture23896.html
How beautiful it looks there ..... !!
Annie :)
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Do you think that this maybe a memorial to a Cossack who died during the Charge ??
No Annie, it is WWII monument
Monument to Russians who stood against Light Brigade was erected in 1904 on Arab Tabia Hill. During World War II a pillbox was made in the pedestal of the monument, and during the battle monument was destroyed.
New monument was erected in 2004.
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And here is British monument
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP-nUOspWtU&feature=related
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Those pictures of the monuments are great Mike ..... look at that blue sky ..... wonderful ! :)
Who is responsible for the upkeep .... do you know ??
Annie :)
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Highly Important Crimea Medal awarded to Private J.Strutt of the 11th Hussars who took part in the Infamous Charge of the Light Brigade in which he was wounded. He died in February 1855 - The Medal, Crimea 1854-56, three bars, Alma, Balaklava, Sebastopol, is officially impressed (J.Strutt. 11th Hussars.).
Private J.Strutt enlisted into the 11th Hussars in January 1849. He was slightly wounded in the charge but he died on the 1st February 1855 and is buried between Kadikoi and Karani.
Thomas Warr was one of the 'Noble 600' at the Charge of the Light Brigade, while charging the Russian Lines his horse was wounded by canon shrapnel and spears, rather than leave his horse in pain Trooper Warr dragged it back a mile to safety and the English lines and had it put down humanely!!
After the war he returned to Dorchester but lived in poverty and died in a workhouse in 1916. At his funeral hundreds of people lined the streets, he was given a military funeral but was laid in a unmarked grave.
Thomas Warr joined the 11th Hussars in 1850 and took part in the charge of 1854. He served with the Hussars until 1860, and as the writer says, he came back and as many of the poor men, 'were left in the scrapheap'. It is not known if he had any family and died aged 87 in 1916.
For his funeral, the Hussars took pity on him and sent 6 NCO's to act as pall bearers and soldiers from the Dorset and Gloucestershire regiments were the burial party.
Dorchester ......... Thomas Warr
http://www.dorset-opc.com/Dorchester/ThomasWarr.htm
ONE OF THE NOBLE SIX HUNDRED PRESENTATION TO TROOPER THOMAS WARR
Crimean Medal Restored
http://www.dorset-opc.com/Dorchester/ThomasWarrPresentation.htm
DEATH OF BALACLAVA CHARGE VETERAN - TROOPER THOMAS WARR 11TH HUSSARS
http://www.dorset-opc.com/Dorchester/ThomasWarrFuneral.htm
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This pdf is quite fascinating there's some more pictures too !
and here's something pretty wonderful ! .... James Mustard and William Butler are on this photo ... how cool is that ?? :D
http://www.medalcollector.co.uk/pdf/fhsample.pdf
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Mike and I keep finding this stuff .... but nobody's saying anything !! ::) except for cheer leader Barbara :D .....
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02vo/
Annie :)
PS Mick the Hippy would be good at this ............ :) but jump in ... the waters fine !! :)
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Keep finding it Annie, it's fascinating stuff....... ;D ;D ;D
Cheerleader ;)
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Hello All,
Do you mind if the Southerners amongst us have a bit of input? :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,16316.0.html
Phil
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Annie
Dont stop, I will jump in when I have finished this other project I am working on with Migky.
I have not forgot about the e-book project, which has a working title of "Lancashires Forgotten Hero's" but will generate a new posting on rootschat relating to this and what I am looking for.
Ken
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Hello All,
Do you mind if the Southerners amongst us have a bit of input? :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,16316.0.html
Phil
Those Southerners have eagle eyes !! :D :D :D
Thanks Phil ..... I love seeing the headstones ... now why didn't I look in search ??
( DON'T say a word !! :P :P )
Annie :)
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Annie
Dont stop, I will jump in when I have finished this other project I am working on with Migky.
I have not forgot about the e-book project, which has a working title of "Lancashires Forgotten Hero's" but will generate a new posting on rootschat relating to this and what I am looking for.
Ken
You won't need to have a new posting Ken .... all your info will be right here !! :D
We HAVE to do some good with this stuff ..... not just Lancashire ... don't you think ??
Annie :)
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George Orby Wombwell b.Paris of St. George's Middx London Born 23 November 1832 Died 16 October 1913
Sir George Orby Wombwell served in the 17th Lancers during the Crimean war, and took part in the disastrous but brilliant charge of the light brigade at Balaclava on the 25th October 1854, when 600 British cavalry charged an overwhelming number of Russians. He was taken prisoner by the enemy, but effected his escape in a most daring manner !
http://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armyunits/britishcavalry/17thlancerswombwell.htm
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9F01EEDC133FE633A2575BC1A9669D946296D6CF
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02vr/
http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Hunter/wombwell.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9402E3DB1E3BE633A25751C0A9679D946296D6CF
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/don.burluraux/100302.htm
( just as an aside .... son died Boer War ... enteric fever )
http://lafayette.150m.com/wom1401.html
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Talk about information Super Highway! You guys are amazing!
Trying to keep up honest. How do you process stuff so quick?
Su
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Fun ... isn't it Su ??
Amongst the Campaign Groups and Pairs is the Highly Emotive and Well Documented Crimea Group of Three to Sergeant Edward Hindley 13th Light Dragoons who charged with the Light Brigade at Balaklava on the 25th October 1854 before going onto serve in India helping to suppress the Mutiny three years later
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You know it really hurts me to see the amounts of money paid out by the "funds " ..... we see letters like the one written by Sgt Hindley's wife .... and their gratitude .... and then we see the prices paid for his medals ..... just heart wrenching !!
He received help from the Roberts relief fund, which paid for his funeral expenses when he died and also helped to support his widow. He bequeathed his medals to the fund as a token of his gratitude
Pensions
There were two funds set up to help the veterans of the Charge of the Light Brigade The Light Brigade Relief Fund (L.B.R.F)
In May 1890 a public scandal erupted when it was discovered that many veterans of the Charge of the Light Brigade were destitute. The Secretary of War stated in Parliament that he would not offer assistance and in response the St James’ Gazette set up the Light Brigade Relief Fund.
On the 30th July 890 Florence Nightingale, Alfred Tennyson, and Martin Lanfried, veteran trumpeter made a recording with the proceeds going to the veterans ... The funds so raised were administered by an influential committee.
In March 1889 a considerable part of the sum had been expended by the committee in grants to the most needy of the men whose cases came before them. A sum of over £3,000 however remained in their hands and they communicated with the trustees of the Patriotic Fund asking that they should take over the fund and in future distribute it. They proposed that it should be invested so as to produce during the lives of the beneficiaries the greatest number of annuities of £8.5.0, or one shilling per day for men that held no government pension and of such smaller sum as might be required to make up that amount in the case of men with pensions. It was thus estimated that about 00 men survived who would be eligible for annuities between the ages of 58 and 62 and it was calculated that from ten to eleven annuities could be safely granted. Shortly after the deed was executed on February 892 Parliament made pensions available to soldiers of 0 years service and upwards who served in the Russian War. This had an impact on the fund, the result being of the 9 survivors claiming the fund only four received the full 7/- per week, and the others on a sliding scale of payments. (National Archives TS 8/322)
The T.H.Roberts Survivors Relief Fund.
Mr T.Harrison Roberts was the proprietor of the “Illustrated Bits” magazine. Roberts had the idea of bringing together all the survivors of the Charge of the Light Brigade to view Queen Victoria’s Diamond Jubilee procession, from his offices in Fleet Street. Eventually with the help of the Balaclava Commemoration Society, 73 attended. Roberts was shocked to find that some of the men were living in workhouses, and others were destitute. In July 897 “The Balaclava Light Brigade Charge Survivors Relief Fund” also known as “The T.H Roberts fund” was started. 59 individuals had received payments between July 8 '97 and December 9, in the form of a 7 - 5 shillings per week pension with a total of £7,822 6s 8d being paid out during the period.
http://www.medalcollector.co.uk/pdf/fhsample.pdf
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Sgt Edward Hindley Woodcroft Rd, Liverpool, one of 2 survivors Liverpool in Charge of the Light Brigade Alma, Balaclava, Inkerman, Sebastopol, Mutiny, present at Lucklow
William Sewell Rose Lane, Mossley Hill, late of the 13th Light Dragoons ( Light Brigade ) rode through the Balaclava charge and was severely wounded.
http://www.old-liverpool.co.uk/Crimea.html
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Alexander Roberts Dunn, 1833
British Army officer born on Sept. 15, 1833, at York, Upper Canada; first Canadian awarded the Victoria Cross; 1854, as a lieutenant with 11th Hussars during the Crimean War, took part in the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava; with his horse shot out from under him, he seized another mount and saved the life of a sergeant by cutting down two Russian lancers; returned to aid a private in trouble, driving off the enemy with his sword; rose to rank of colonel and commanded the 100th Regiment of Foot (Prince of Wales' Royal Canadian Regiment); later served in India; killed on an expedition to Abyssinia when his hunting rifle accidentally discharged.
Globe & Mail (Toronto, Canada) (Jan 24, 2004): p.F8
Historical Plaque in Toronto: NW corner of Clarence Square Park, east side of Spadina Ave.
south of King St. W:
Born in 1833 a short distance north of this site, Alexander Dunn was educated at Upper Canada College and at Harrow, England. In 1853 he was commissioned Lieutenant in the 11th Hussars. A participant in the charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava on October 25th, 1854, he saved the lives of two of his regiment by cutting down their Russian attackers, and thus became Canada's first winner of the newly-created Victoria Cross. In 1858 Dunn helped to raise the 100th Royal Canadian Regiment, which he later commanded. In 1864 he transferred to the 33rd (Duke of Wellington's) Regiment, and four years later was accidentally killed while hunting in Abyssinia.
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Bro Colonel Alexander Roberts Dunn VC (Canada's 1st)
Mr Alexander Roberts Dunn, was initiated into Ionic Lodge in 1855. The first son of JH Dunn, receiver General for Upper Canada. Dunn attended Upper Canada College and then Harrow, one of England's famous schools. He joined the 11th (Prince Albert's Own) Hussars in March 1852. Bro Dunn was a 21 year old lieutenant (later colonel) on October 25, 1854, when the 11th galloped into history against Russian guns at Balaclava in the bloody ill-fated Charge of the Light Brigade. A non-commissioned officer riding a slow and exhausted mount began falling behind. The straggler's comrades began shouting, 'Sergeant Bentley's cut off!'. Suddenly, in the chaos of battle, Bro Dunn turned his charger back to rescue the sergeant , who was being pressed by three Russian dragoons, (heavily armed mounted troopers.) The rest of the brigade raced on, leaving Bro Dunn to spur his horse towards the first dragoon and sabre him out of the saddle, giving Bentley time to try to escape.
For his bravery and courage, Bro Dunn was awarded the British Empire's highest award for heroism for his courage the Victoria Cross. He was the first Canadian to be awarded the VC.
Members of Ionic Lodge have worked to have the remains of Bro Dunn returned to Canada. A Masonic service will be held a day prior to the full military funeral on Saturday, October 23, 2004.
(Initially was buried at Senafe Military Cemetery, Eritrea)
Bro Dunn was Initiated, Passed and Raised in Ionic Lodge
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Forgotten in Canada, the only evidence of Alexander Dunn is a marker in Toronto’s
Clarence Square near Spadina Avenue and King Street. Born in York (Toronto) on
September 15, 1833, Alexander Dunn was the son of The Hon. John Henry Dunn,
Receiver-General of Upper Canada (Ontario). Born into a privileged family, Dunn
attended one of Canada’s elite private boy’s schools, Upper Canada College, *where his
medals and portrait are still on display. Dunn’s sword and field-chair are at the Canadian
War Museum in Ottawa
PLAQUE #106
Location: On the NW corner of Clarence Square Park, east side of Spadina Ave.
south of King St. W.
http://www.waynecook.com/atoronto.html
His grave (in present day Eritrea) had been neglected for many years but was repaired in 2001 by a group of Canadian Forces engineers from CFB Gagetown.
*For over 50 years his medals were on display in the main foyer of his old school, Upper Canada College, in Toronto. In 1977, due to a number of recent thefts and "losses" of Victoria Cross medals the school replaced the VC with a copy and moved the original to their bank safety deposit box.
Burial - Military Cemetery Senafe, Eritrea
EDIT .....
http://www.civilization.ca/media/show_pr_e.asp?ID=810
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COUNCILLORS are rallying to preserve the memory of a Walsall man who was one of the few survivors of the heroic Charge of the Light Brigade.
The famous 17th Lancers were all but wiped out in the ilated assault on Russian guns in The Valley of Death which was immortalised in the poem by Alfred Lord Tennyson.
A mere 25 of "the 600" lived to tell the tale and one was Troop Sgt Major William Purvis, who lived for 30 years in Walsall and is buried in the town.
His horse was shot during the charge and it rolled on to him, breaking three of his ribs and leaving him unconscious.
When he came round he was too weak to get up but escaped the field by hanging on to the stirrups of a comrade's horse which dragged him clear.
His grave and memorial stone in Ryecroft Cemetery were repaired 10 years ago but they are now in need of further work and the borough council's environmental services committee will be asked tonight to set aside pounds 300 for the job.
Sgt Major Purvis, a native of Glasgow, was a private in the 17th during the Crimean War when the charge took place at the Battle of Balaclava in October 1854.
He went on to serve during the Indian Mutiny of 1858/59 and on one occasion captured five elephants which were carrying pounds 500,000 worth of treasure!
Sgt Major Purvis, described as a self effacing man who did not like to talk about his experiences, died on June 11, 1899, at the age of 71, and was buried with his wife.
He was afforded full military honours at the funeral and thousands of people turned out to mourn his death.
Huw Pritchard, archivist at Walsall Local History Centre, said today: "Sgt Major Purvis is one of Walsall's forgotten heroes and is a character people of the town should be proud of."
Copies of the soldier's military record and discharge papers are kept in the history centre and his medals are on display at the town's museum and art gallery.
Birmingham Evening Mail (England) (June 5, 1998): p.18.
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You know Mike ... I've come to the conclusion that even though all these articles say
"a man who was one of the few survivors of the heroic Charge of the Light Brigade"
we've found more than a few !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Annie :)
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You know I kept thinking ( or should I say wishful thinking !! ::) ) as I have a Hindley in my tree .... though pretty far out on a limb ! .... that maybe I could claim him .... but after reading this ... I don't think I honestly can !! :'(
http://www.chargeofthelightbrigade.com/allmen/allmenH/allmenH_13LD/hindley_e_1540_13LD/hindley_e_1540_13LD.html
Annie :)
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Look what Sarah found for me ........ :)
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4260337&a=31519002&p=70296042&f=0
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Annie
What a wonderful image - I can't quite make out the sign on the side of the wall?
Wonder what their names were?
Su
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Private Edward Hindley – 1540 13th Light Dragoons lived there at number 2 !! ;D ;D ;D
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That is so cool 8)
So when are you writing the book the Annie?
Su
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THE THIRTEENTH LIGHT DRAGOONS
Private 1452 William SEWELL
Born 1830 at Mickleham, Surrey. Employed as a coachman. Enlisted 1851-2. Severely wounded during the Charge on 25 October 1854. His horse was killed. Later promoted to Sergeant. Medal: Crimea (B&S). Married in 1860 to Mary McMillen at Liverpool. Died 6 January 1910 at 18 Rose Lane, Mossley Hill, Liverpool and was buried on 13 January 1910 at Woolton Parish Churchyard, Liverpool. A member of the Balaclava Commemoration Society in 1879, he attended the Annual Reunion Dinners in 1892, 1895, 1899 and 1906. He had been badly wounded in the head and a metal plate was fixed over its site, which he wore for the rest of his life. On leaving the army he worked as a coachman to the Earl family and married their cook. The uniform he wore at Balaclava is now at the National Army Museum in Chelsea, London.
http://www.sole.org.uk/lightbri.htm
And this is a surprise ... I didn't think there were that many !! :-\
LIVERPOOL cavalrymen, who rode in the Charge of the Light Brigade, are to be remembered on its 150th anniversary.
Eight city soldiers took part in the ill-fated charge during the Crimean War.
Three were killed when they rode into the 'Valley of Death' immortalised in a Tennyson poem and in Hollywood film starring Errol Flynn.
Now descendants of the Liverpool cavalrymen and others interested in the city's connection with the Light Brigade are invited to a commemoration on October 31 at the Royal Armouries Museum in Leeds.
Terry Brighton, from the Queen ' s Royal Lancers Museum in Grantham, said: "A number of Liverpool men are known to have ridden into the Valley of Death.
"Some didn't return - John Barry, James Larkin and Robert Layzell were killed by Russian cannon-fire.
"William Sewell was badly wounded in the head and taken to Florence Nightingale's hospital, where he had a metal plate fixed to replace the lost section of his skull.
" This must have been effective because he survived until 1910, when he was living in Rose Lane, Mossley Hill.
"James Glanister struck a Russian on the helmet with his sword and the blade snapped off. A musket ball then shattered his lower jaw, but he was led back to British lines.
"He recovered and in later life lived in Apple Terrace, Edge Hill. A notice of his death appeared in the Liverpool ECHO on March 27, 1901."
Other local men to return home included Andrew Nelson, who used his experience with horses by becoming a cab driver, Edward Hindley, who came home to Granby Street, Princes Park, and John Mortimer who lived in Court Union Street.
Mr Brighton said: "All who survived were welcomed back as heroes and a Light Brigade medal and good story of the Charge were worth a free quart of ale in any hostelry!"
Anyone descended from these calvalrymen who would like to take part should write to Mr Brighton at the Queen's Royal Lancers Museum, Lancer House, Prince William of Gloucester Barracks, Grantham NG31 7TJ or e-mail terrybrighton[at]btopenworld. com
Source- Liverpool Echo
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Not me !! .... I have 25 other books I have to write first !! ;D ;D ;D
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I reckon you should write a chapter on each thing and put them all in one book.........then on to another chapter on each subject - and put those in another book..........and here we'd be eagerly awaiting the next book in the series........it would be like waiting at the newsagents for those penny dreadfuls..........only serious!!!
Barbara
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Book One - Chapter One - ........
So what will it be then Annie?
I am very interested
Su
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Ermmmmm .......... !! ..... let me think ............ :D :D
http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/localhistory/mersey_times/issue_03/glanister/war_record.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/localhistory/mersey_times/issue_03/glanister/overview.shtml
http://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2106&page=43
James Glanister (one of the Light Horse Brigade)
Although not strictly speaking a Liverpudlian, having been born in Northamptonshire, James Glanister enlisted in Liverpool as a Private in the 5th Dragoons. At Balaclava, he reached the Russian guns and broke his sword upon the helmet of a Russian soldier. A Cossack then fired his pistol at Glanister, shattering his jaw. He was assisted back to the safety of the British lines by a Private Martin and later invalided out of the army later settling down in West Derby where he died in 1901 at his home in No 3 Apple Terrace. Buried in West Derby cemetery, his grave number is C of E, section 5, grave no. 193.
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Robert Martin (one of the Light Horse Brigade - rescues Glanister)
The bullet that hit Glanister narrowly missed Private Martin who despite his own arm being shattered helped Glanister back to the lines. But Martin was struck by another bullet and was lucky to escape with his life. He did lose his arm which was amputated at the Scutari hospital where Florence Nightingale plied her trade so well.
On his return home with a cluster of medals, the Liverpool M.P. Mr Horsefall helped him to gain employment at Hampton Court Palace where he also was received by Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. On his retirement he went to live in New Ferry on the Wirral and in his final days was taken to the Liverpool Royal Infirmary where he died in 1900. He was buried in Bebington cemetery --- also in a numbered grave.
There were several others who lost their lives at Balaclava but they are fast fading back into the obscurity they lived in until they took their places in the historic charge.
Botanic Park was once one of the finest gardens in the country and at the Picton Road entrance there stood two Russian cannon from the Crimea. It is an irony that having been taken away during the Second World War they were melted down to create armament and that somewhere over Europe in 1945, metal from the 1856 conflict would still be lethally dangerous.
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That brave soul had a slightly better quality of life when he came home than most I have read!
So the Liverpool Annie Collection - Published in 12 Leather Bound Volumes!?
May I start subscribing now please? ;D ;D ;D
Su
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http://www.soldiermagazine.co.uk/reviews/books.htm
Pte Robert Martin of the 11th Hussars
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Only 12 leather bound volumes Su..........I reckon there would be more.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm finding all this simply brilliant. I eagerly await the next bit.
Barbara
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Showing me age now but do you remember Sat morning flicks with the adventures of The Lone Ranger and Flash Gordon?
You always got that bit of the end of the episode where The Lone Ranger is hanging on by one fingernail, surrounded by 12 natives over a 500 ft drop and you heard 'Find out what happens in next weeks thrilling episode'....... :o
This thread is exactly like that - love it! ;D ;D ;D ;D
On a serious note though Annie I do hope you commit some of your knowledge to print for the Generations to come. Too much to be lost! ;)
Su
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Now just to go outside the box a bit ...... not quite the Charge ... but associated .... lets say ..... !!
Here's a fascinating woman
MARY SEACOLE 1805 - 1881
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Seacole
http://www.maryseacole.com/maryseacole/pages/aboutmary.html
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http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Walsall/StMatthew/picture4.html
June 16 1900 - Memorial in Walsall church to Charge of the Light Brigade hero Sgt-Major Purvis unveiled
A wall monument holds a medallion bust of William Purvis, a Walsall soldier who served in the 17th Lancers for 24 years, who was one of the small band of survivors of the Charge of the Light Brigade
but I can't find a picture !! :-\
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Sorry I got lost in the Seacole Story - What a Woman.
Re:Memorial Walsall Church I think this is it but not too clear - Su
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Wonder if Kenhar ... the miracle worker could help it ?? :-\
That's cool though Su ... I couldn't find it at all ! ... I was thinking about posting to see if anybody knew of a picture !!
Annie :)
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Here's a paragraph that gave me goosebumps .......... :P
Lord Cardigan, however, looking up the valley over the scene of the charge, could see no sign of his brigade. The valley was strewn with dead and dying; small groups of men — wounded or unhorsed — were struggling towards the British lines; both his aides-de-camp had vanished; he had ridden never once looking back, and had no idea of what the fate of his brigade had been. Nor had he any feeling of responsibility — in his own words, having 'led the Brigade and launched them with due impetus, he considered his duty was done'. The idea of trying to find out what had happened to his men or of rallying the survivors never crossed his mind. With extraordinary indifference to danger he had led the Light Brigade down the valley as if he were leading a charge in a review in Hyde Park, and he now continued to behave as if he were in a review in Hyde Park. He had, however, he wrote, some apprehension that for a general his isolated position was unusual, and he avoided any undignified appearance of haste by riding back very slowly, most of the time at a walk. By another miracle he was untouched by the fire from the Causeway Heights, which, although the batteries on the Fedioukine Hills had been silenced by the French, was still raking the unfortunate survivors of the charge in the valley. As he rode he continued to brood on Nolan's behaviour, and on nothing else. The marvelous ride, the dauntless valour of the Light Brigade and their frightful destruction, his own miraculous escape from death, made no impression on his mind; Nolan's insubordination occupied him exclusively, and when he reached the point where the Heavy Brigade was halted, he rode up to General Scarlett and immediately broke into accusations of Nolan, furiously complaining of Nolan's insubordination, his ride across the front of the brigade, his attempt to assume command and., Lord Cardigan finished contemptuously, 'Imagine the fellow screaming like a woman when he was hit'. General Scarlett checked him: 'Say no more, my lord; you have just ridden over Captain Nolan's dead body'
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And while we're talking of General Scarlett and the Heavy Brigade .... here's a sad story .... !
John Nichol
http://www.northeasthistory.co.uk/the_north_east/history/echomemories/darlington/404/061004.html
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Re: Purvis Memorial i did a g****e search on Walsall Church and it looks like it is underthreat of being demolished no mention of the memorial if it is the same church? Or if the memorial safe.
Just another NB
Su
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Catch you on the morrow
Su
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Ken ... a VC born in Eccles Manchester England 11 January 1833 :D
Joseph Malone VC (11 January 1833 -28 June 1883)
was an English recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces.
He was 21 years old, and a sergeant in the 13th Light Dragoons (later 13th Hussars), British Army during the Crimean War when the following deed took place for which he was awarded the VC.
On 25 October 1854 at Balaclava, Crimea (Charge of the Light Brigade), Sergeant Malone, while returning on foot from the charge, in which his horse had been shot, stopped under very heavy fire and helped a troop sergeant-major (John Berryman) and other sergeant (John Farrell) to move a very severely wounded officer (who subsequently died) out of range of the guns.
He later transferred to the 6th Dragoons and in 1858 was commissioned as a Riding Master. In 1881, along with other Riding Masters, he was granted the honorary rank of Captain.
His Victoria Cross is displayed at the 13th/18th Royal Hussars Museum (Queen Mary's Own) (Barnsley, South Yorkshire, England).
He is the great-grandfather of British actress Sally Ann Howes.
It was during the Charge of the Light Brigade that Corporal Joseph Malone won his VC, in assisting the wounded Captain Webb to safety. After the Crimean War Malone returned to Ireland, then to India and finally to Pinetown, where as Captain Malone he died in 1883 of typhoid. He is buried in St Andrews Churchyard, and although his gravestone can be visited, most of the Churchyard is now a car park: an inglorious resting place for a hero of the Charge of the Light Brigade. His descendants lent his medals to a relative who sold them for $250. They were, however, eventually bought by his regiment - now the 13th/18th Royal Hussars - at auction at Sotheby's in 1988, and are held today at the regimental museum in Barnsley, in the north of England
Joseph Malone - V.C won October 25th 1854, serving with the 13th Light Dragoons at Balaclava, Crimea, Charge of the Light Brigade - buried Kings Rd Cemetery, Pinetown.
Name - Joseph, MALONE
Rank - Captain & Riding Master
Force - 13th Light Dragoons (13th Hussars)
VC won - Crimea, 25 October 1854 *
London Gaz - 25 September 1857
Born - Eccles Manchester England 11 January 1833
Died - Pinetown Natal 28th June 1883
Grave - St Andrew's Churchyard, Pinetown
Location of VC - 13th/18th Hussars Museum, Barnsley
Remarks - * Charge of the Light Brigade
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Medals of the British Army - And how They Were Won
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02vx/
Sgt Nunnerley
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02vy/
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On my reply #130 there is a man named Andrew Nelson mentioned .... I can't find this man ... he doesn't seem to be on any lists !! ... can anybody else see him ?? ::) or is it just my eyes ??
Other local men to return home included Andrew Nelson who used his experience with horses by becoming a cab driver, Edward Hindley, who came home to Granby Street, Princes Park, and John Mortimer who lived in Court Union Street
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Rhys
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William
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11th H
Cathays Cemetery, Cardiff
William Llewellyn Rhys
This memorial to William Llewellyn Rhys is one of many in the cemetery recalling brave deeds
in the service of military duty. Rhys, a vicar’s son from Llantrisant, had a mixed army career,
achieving the rank of Troop Sergeant Major but being demoted twice. After going to America
to fight in the Civil War, Rhys returned to Cardiff and entered the steadier career of
accountancy, becoming Chief Accountant with Messrs. Insole and Son, Shippers. If we can
interpret the quote from Alfred Lord Tennyson’s poem which appears on Rhys’ memorial, it
would appear that Rhys was one of the few survivors of the Charge of the Light Brigade at the
battle of Balaclava during the Crimean War.
The inscription reads:-
“When can their glory fade?
Oh the wild charge they made!
All the world wonder’d
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred
EDIT ........ this is padding .... ;D
One of most significance to the development of Porth was George Insole.
Insole was the owner of a shipping company in Cardiff that had specialised in coal. Seeing an increasing demand for bituminous coal he decided to become a producer rather than just a supplier. To this end he opened Maesmawr Colliery, but production was lower than he had hoped. Also the coal produced was of inferior quality to 'Coffin's Coal' as that produced at Dinas had become known.
Thus in 1844 he leased the mineral rights to 375 acres of land at Cymmer from Evan Morgan of Tyn-Y-Cymmer Farm, opening the South Cymmer Level in the December of the year. At first progress was slow and output, from the No.2 Rhondda seam, disappointing. Thus Insole decided in 1847 to sink a pit, the No.1 Pit or Old Cymmer Pit, to the No.3 Rhondda. Seam. This was struck some eighty yards below the No.2 seam and quickly gained a reputation as a coking coal, an in 1848 36 coke ovens were constructed at Cymmer. To meet ever increasing demand the operations at Cymmer were extended and in 1851 the Upper Cymmer Colliery was sunk. Also in 1855 the New Cymmer Colliery was opened near the Cymmer Old Pit.
Thus began the mining industry in the Rhondda, which was to dominate the landscape and lives of the people of the Valley for the next hundred and fifty years.
http://webapps.rhondda-cynon-taff.gov.uk/heritagetrail/rhondda/porth/porth.htm
http://www.nlw.org.uk/cgi-bin/anw/search2?coll_id=2830&inst_id=33&term=George%20Insole%20and%20Son
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This man's name is Ryan .... but which one ??
Ryan Pte James 1155 17th L
Ryan Pte John 631 17th L
Ryan Pte Martin 1620 4th LD
Ryan Pte Thomas 1555 4th LD
Ryan Pte Daniel 997 8th H
Ryan Pte Patrick 955 8th H
Ryan Pte Thomas 983 8th H
Ryan Pte William 1004 8th H
http://www.oakleachapel.co.uk/articles/article.asp?ArticleID=11
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I am so excited !!!! ...... :D
Some time ago I was at the Buffalo Bill Museum and saw a photograph ....... then I read that there was a photograph taken with the survivors of the Charge of the Light Brigade in 1903 !! ( but I didn't think Bill was in England in 1903 ... I know he was there in 1887 because he performed in London in celebration of the Jubilee year of Queen Victoria .... but that's beside the point !! ::) )
well try this on for size ;D ...... scroll to Lot # 25 ........
http://www.mortonandeden.com/pdfcats/25web.pdf
Just look at that whole Lot !! ..... pretty wonderful don't you think ?? ( as a matter of fact that whole sale was pretty special !! .... I LOVE medals !! )
Annie :)
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Wow to the story on Mustard, but isn't it sad that medals are actually put up for sale.
Anyone got a spare 8.000 to 10.000 quid??
Barbara
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Any luck with Andrew Nelson yet Annie?
I've spent half the afternoon trying to find him, but not a thing. :(
Phil
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Hi Phil !
No !! not a dickie bird !! ::) ::) ::)
I can't even find him in 1861 census !! ::)
but you know them Scousers they love to hide !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Annie :)
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Now heres a bit of trivia ....... ( I'm good at that !! ;D ;D )
I got in touch with the Buffalo Bill Museum and apparently there is a mention of an existing image described in James Wojtowicz's book "W.F. Cody Buffalo Bill: Collector's Guide with Values"
Regarding the 1891 season ...
"A reunion of the veterans of The Charge of the Light Brigade at
Balaclava was held in conjunction with the Wild West performance. There
is a wonderful paperweight showing these survivors lined up in front of
the show's tents."
Can you imagine ?? .... a paperweight !! :D .......... but there isn't a picture of it though !! :-\
Oh and by the way .... my friend at the Museum looked up his tour dates. Cody was in Great Britain in 1903 and 1904. In 1905 he expanded into other parts of Europe. So the dates clearly jive !!
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Woohoo ! ... lookie here !! ... I can't read it though .... can anybody else ?? ::)
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There's a PM waiting for you Annie, despite the big red time out warning ;D ;D
Phil :)
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Annie,
You haven't let this thread slip through the net have you? ;D ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,282396.0.html
Could be another victim recruit.
Phil :)
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You are so sharp Phil !! :D :D :D
Thanks for the "heads up " !!
I just posted over there .... now can we find out about that uniform ?? ::) ::) ::)
Annie :)
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Another poor soul lured into the web ;D :o ;D :o ;D
Phil :)
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Check this out .... while I was looking for that uniform .... not the Charge .. but interesting !! :D
Yeoman of the Guard !!
Candidates must have completed no less than 22 years in the Army, Marines or Royal Air Force; retired no less than the rank of Sergeant; hold the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal; be at least 5ft 10ins tall and have a chest measurement of at least 38ins and should have been accepted and taken the loyal oath before their 55th birthday. All Yeomen must retire at the ripe old age of 70.
At this time we are sadly under represented by black and asian servicemen, and women. However, we look forward to the day when we can cut this text from our webpage and fully embrace diversity. Indeed, The Body Guard were supporters of Equal Opportunities as far back as 1855 with the appointment of a Sergeant John Breeze 11th Hussars. Breeze was the veteran of many campaigns including the Crimean War. On 5 November 1854, during the bloody Battle of Inkermann he lost his right arm and then was an unfortunate victim of the Crimean winter were many dying and injured soldiers were left unattended on the harbour at Balaklava. He was invalided out of the Army in 1855 and accepted into The Body Guard in the same year.
http://www.yeomenoftheguard.com/#uniform0
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John Berryman b. Jul. 18, 1825 d. Jun. 27, 1896
Born in Dudley England, he was 29 years old, and a Troop Sergeant-Major in the 17th Lancers (Duke of Cambridge's Own) British Army during the Crimean War when the following deed took place for which he was awarded the VC.
On 25 October 1854 at Balaclava, Crimea, ( Charge of the Light Brigade) Troop Sergeant-Major Berryman whose horse had been shot under him stopped on the field with a wounded officer amidst a storm of shot and shell. Two sergeants (John Farrell and Joseph Malone) came to his assistance and between them they carried the wounded officer out of range of the guns.
He later achieved the rank of Major and transferred to the 5th Lancers in 1880 and died at Woldingham, Surrey
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=11276222
Annie :)
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Scroll to the bottom ........
Lieutenant Alexander Roberts Dunn 11th Hussars (Prince Albert's Own)
http://www.army.mod.uk/the_kings_royal_hussars/gallery/victoria_cross.htm
For two Hussars during the charge of the Light Brigade in October of 1854, the actions of the first Canadian Victoria Cross winner, Alexander Robert Dunn, were worth their very lives. The tall Canadian cavalryman rushed to the aid of Sergeant Robert Bentley and Private Harvey Levett. As enemy guns blazed away, he placed Bentley on his own horse, slapped it smartly on the rear to send it back to safety, then led Levett out of the Valley of Death.
Annie :)
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JOHN ASHLEY KILVERT(1833-1920)MAYOR OF WEDNESBURY, UK.
John Ashley Kilvert was born at High Ercall, Shropshire, England(near Shrewsbury) on the 29th September 1833. He was the son of George Ashley and Jane Kilvert, also of High Ercall.
He was educated locally at High Ercall Grammer School and at the age of 14, he moved to Birmingham to take up a business career with Messrs. Clements, wine and spirit merchants. However after three years office work he became restless and in 1850 he decided to accept the "Queens shilling" and join the 11th Hussars Regiment at Northhampton, where he acquired a thorough training in his new profession.
In 1851, the 11th Hussars were ordered to Bulgaria, where stirring events were expected from the Russian Army in the Crimea and surrounding areas. Kilvert had now attained the rank of corporal.
The Russian Army was encamped on the banks of the Danube River and corporal Kilvert had his first experience of active service, being included in a search party which had to open up communications with a missing recognisance expedition.
In September that year, the 11th Hussers embarked for the Crimea. Only days after landing, he took part in the battle of Alma. Although not bearing the brunt of the fighting, the cavalry regiments materially assisted in winning victory.
The most stirring event in Kilverts Army career followed close upon the battle of Alma. this was at Balaclava and was later known as the "Charge of the Light Brigade". The following is a quote from Kilvert, about that fateful day.
"I was in the second line and as we careered down the valley and shot and shell were flying about like hailstones, it was only the pace of the horses, that carried us through at all. I don't think if it had been a body of infantry, that a single man could have reached the bottom of the valley.
As we advanced, there was a hot fire from the Russian batteries on either side and we survived, rode over the prostrate bodies of those who preceded us. Horses were killed, others galloped about riderless and before long, order was abandoned and it was a desperate attempt to cut our way back through as best we could, as the Russians closed in on us. The Russian gunners were cut down and we started back to our own lines, but I do not know what would have happened had not one of the Russian flanking batteries been attacked and forced to retire.
Of 110 men forming my regiment, only 25 returned and of 14 comrades sharing my tent, only one was spared besides myself. As to my injuries, I was shot by a musket ball through my right leg and also received a slight cut on the head. My horse was shot under me, but although frightfully injured, bore me back to safety. All day long neither horses nor men tasted food or water. I lay in a ditch waiting to be removed on an ambulance and had practically given up hope of ever being attended to, as darkness was setting in and I was nearly frozen. However, by-and-by, I heard an ambulance coming and, as the boys say, I hollowed with all my might and very thankful, I was picked up and taken aboard the steamer".
He was transported across the Black Sea to Soutari, Turkey, where Florence Nightingale had her hedquarters and administered to the sick and wounded. He was moved to Malta and later to England to convalesce at Chatham Hospital. He was awarded the Crimean Medal by Queen Victoria and also received a Turkish Crimea medal. He subsequently returned to his regiment in 1856 and was appointed troop sergeant major in 1857. He retired four years later.
He settled in Wednesbury, West Midlands, England, in 1861 and named his house "Balaclava House" in memory of his military activities. He took himself a wife, Elisabeth, and also opened a Pawnbrokers business in Union Street, Wednesbury. He entered public life serving on the Town Board and was elected to the Town Council on 1st November 1886 when the Town received Corporation status. He was a Justice of the Peace, served on the School Board for 17 years and was a member of the Board, then elected Vice-President of the Wednesbury Building Society for some 38 years. For many years he was Vice-President of the Wednesbury Liberal Association and a member of the Art Gallery and Technical School Institute Committees. He was Chairman for many years, of the Burial Board, member of the Finance, Gas and Water, Isolation Hospital and Sewerage and Outfall Works Committees.
In 1905 Alderman Kilvert reached the highest point of honour in the Borough and filled the mayoral chair with dignity and tact. By this point his wife had died, so he chose his niece as Mayoress during his term of office. She was the elder daughter of his brother, Cpt. Charles Kilvert of Shrewsbury. He was the Mayor for two years before he retired from public life.
His cheery disposition, probably to some extent, accounted for his remaining hale and hearty to an advanced age. The military spirit remaining strong within him until the last. He died on the 17th October 1920 following a short illness. He was 87 years old.
His only son was born in 1860. He was baptised George Ashley after his grandfather and in 1888, George married Lizzie Holland, daughter of Superintendent Holland, at St. John, Wednesbury. There were no children from this marriage.
(Material produced by Muriel Kilvert and Bob Kilvert via Matt Kilvert and B.S.Cory Kilvert)
http://genforum.genealogy.com/kilvert/messages/224.html
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Medal entitlement of Private John Pearson 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars
Victoria Cross
Crimea Medal ( 1854-56 )
2 clasps:
"Balaclava" - "Sebastopol"
Indian Mutiny Medal ( 1857-58 )
1 clasp - "Central India"
Meritorious Service Medal ( MSM )
Turkish Crimea Medal ( 1855-56 )
http://www.victoriacross.org.uk/bbpearsj.htm
http://pages.ssimicro.com/~xlindag/Pearson.htm
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=7032908
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I don't know what it is about soldiers ... they break my heart - especially when they get old ! .... how can we treat them the way we do ?!! :'(
Beckett Street Cemetery opposite St James’ Hospital in Leeds is the final resting place for some of these men. On Saturday 23 October at 1.00pm in the War Gallery, Alun Pugh from the Friends of Beckett Street Cemetery will give a fascinating insight into the soldiers buried on Light Brigade Row. Alun Pugh’s entertaining talk is based on ‘To Prove I’m Not Forgot’ by Sylvia Barnard and these are two exerts -
Sergeant William Notley who died in 1871 was one of these men. A survivor of the Crimean War he served in the 13th Hussars. His gravestone reads ‘erected by comrades as a token of respect to one who had served 20 years and was in the engagements of Alma, Balaclava, Inkaman and Sebastopol.’
Another is Maurice White who died in 1891, aged 66. A veteran of the Crimean, he had enlisted in 13th Light Dragoons in 1844 as a 19-year-old labourer. He was discharge from the army in 1872 and in 1891 the Leeds Mercury took up his case for ‘more generous treatments’ by the War Office. The Mercury said later: ‘He received the Crimean War Medal, with four clasps for Alma, Balaclava, Inkaman and Sebastopol; afterwards served two-and-a-half years in Canada, and was discharged in Leeds after 26 years’ service, with fifteen pence a day. With such a record, and six conduct badges, and the medal for long service, he obtained employment as a labourer, and continued in it until two years ago, when his health failed. With his pension and what he drew from the sick fund of the Discharged Soldiers’ Friendly Aid Society, he struggled thorough 1889 and 1890. The funds of the little association could support him no further and he had to depend in his then fifteen pence per day, out of which he paid 4s.6d a week for the rent of his house. Sixty-four years of age, with a sick wife, and himself suffering from heart disease, how can there be any delay here? A year hence, and in all probability he will be in his grave.’
Survivors of the Crimean didn’t stop suffering when they came home as the story of Maurice White shows.
http://www.royalarmouries.org/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=1579
http://www.beckettstreetcemetery.org.uk/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=27
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Sydney NSW. c. 1880.
Studio portrait of Charles Dalton wearing the uniform of the 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars.
Born in London on 24 November 1832, he served in the Crimea and Turkey at Alma, Balaclava, Inkerman and Sebastapol and took part in the charge of the Light Brigade.
He also served in India at the Siege of Kotah, recapture of Chundaree Kotah Ki Seari, capture of Gwalior Powrie, Sindwah and Koonoyr.
He spent twenty five years in charge of the Governor's Escort in New South Wales and died in Balgowlah, NSW, on 5 February 1891.
His grandson 96 Sergeant Trumpteter Clive M. Dalton, 4th Light Horse Brigade, died of wounds received at Gallipoli on 12 August 1915 (Donor M. Aspinall).
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-conflicts-periods/other/crimea.htm
http://www.ozbadge.com/introduction.html
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John Doyle
Another of the fast disappearing hero's who survived the ever memorable Charge of the Light Brigade has answered the last muster and departed from mundane strife
The veteran was John Doyle who passed away peacefully at the Royal Infirmary Pembroke Place on Monday evening. The old soldier was suffering from an affection of the heart and he entered hospital about 6 weeks ago where he was carefully attended by Dr Davies House Physican
The old man who was 63 entered the 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars in 1850 and passed all through the ordeals in the Crimean Campaign and afterwards the Indian Mutiny
The slender recognition of a grateful country was scarcely sufficient to keep the old Irishman from actual want ... and he was almost destitute at the time of entering the Infirmary
The only known relative of the deceased is a niece who has been communicated with by Dr Davies
15 years ago Doyle published a descriptive account of the famous charge which was full of personal anecdotes and incidents and is altogether no mean literary effort ..... it is probable that the old soldiers remains will be attended at the graveside by a military escort
Liverpool Echo August 13th 1892
http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/Miscmilitary.html
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Just as an extra .... not one of the Charge survivors .... but I came across this ...... ( we've had quite a few VC's !! )
The youngest VC winner was Drummer Thomas Flynn ( sic )VC 64th Regiment Age 15 Athlone Co. Westmeath ... it was the first VC to the Regiment and was awarded for his gallantry at Cawnpore on the 28 November 1857
A Victoria Cross Hero dies in the Workhouse
A soldier named Thomas Flynn who distinguished himself in several battles ... died in Athlone Workhouse yesterday.
His valour won him the Victoria Cross pinned to his breast - by the Queen. His case was mentioned in Parliament last session and it was then explained .... that it was Flynn's own fault that he had to find refuge in the Workhouse ..................... :-\
Liverpool Echo August 13th 1892
http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/Miscmilitary.html
Victoria Cross Recipient
He was about 15 years old and a Drummer in the 64th Regiment (later The North Staffordshire Regiment - The Prince of Wales's) British Army during the Indian rebellion of 1857 when the following deed took place for which he was awarded the VC.
On 28 November 1857 at Cawnpore, India - during a charge on the enemy's guns Drummer Flinn, although wounded himself engaged in a hand-to-hand encounter with two of the rebel artillerymen
London Gazette 12 April 1859
He died at Athlone County Westmeath, 10 August 1892.
Memorial plaque in the Garrison Church Whittington Barracks Lichfield Staffordshire
Acknowledged to be one of the two youngest winners of the VC (aged 15 years, 3 months)
http://www.answers.com/topic/thomas-flinn
PS ..... http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=89385.html
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Gordon Duberry Ramsay, in 1865 was Provost Marshal, Jamaica.
The Government of Jamaica institutes a prosecution for murder against Mr. Ramsay,- the Provost-Marshal, though it is not suggested that his cruelties were committed from any feelings of private malice against the victims. Mr. Cardwell advises Sir Henry Storks, as Governor of Jamaica, to cause careful investigation to be made in those cases which appear to require it, with a view to such further proceedings as may be requisite and just. “Great offences,” he says, “must be punished.”[†] It is to be presumed that he would not except the great offences of great offenders.
- Gordon Duberry Ramsay hanged George Marshall, the judge was Alan Ker. The Times, 13 Nov.,
1866, p. 7.
"He was brave and reckless and newer knew fear. He was one of the famous six hundred who rode "into the mouth of hell" at Balaclava. The object of delectation and abhorrence because of his conduct during the outbreak of '65, he had to quit Jamaica and came hither."
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Ramsay - On Sunday, July 17th GORDON DUBERY, son of the late Hon. Wm. Ramsay of Jamaica, West Indies, in the 40th year of his age.
Funeral on Tuesday, July 19th, at 4 o'clock P.M., from St.Mary's Episcopal Church, Classon ave., Brooklyn
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From the Brooklyn Eagle:
They have in the Junior Theological Class of Washington University (St. Louis, Mo.,) a hero who was one of the famous "six hundred" at Balaclava.
30 March 1870
One of the Balaklava Six Hundred is now living in Waltham, Mass.
01 July 1873
Blair Irwin, one of the survivors of the gallant six hundred who made the famous charge at Balaklava during the Crimean War... is living with his wife on the small farm known as Ansel Smith place, situated about four miles from Sharon Village, on the borders of Stoughton, Mass.
06 Sep 1902
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Sergeant Robert Grant, late of the Fourth Light Dragoons (now the Fourth Hussars), was orderly to Lord Paget at the time of the famous charge
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TSM Michael Clarke 453 8th Hussars
M. Clarke - Buried at Grangegorman Military Cemetery, County Dublin Ireland -
M.Clarke died 27 Dec 1878 2nd. Bt. Irish Regt. late Adjt. 8th (Royal Irish) Hussars age 61yrs Husband of Grace, He was of the 600 at Balaclava
http://www.interment.net/data/ireland/dublin/grangegorman/greg_af.htm
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Pictures ..... !!
http://www.allworldwars.com/index.php/Crimean_War_Photographs_by_Roger_Fenton
Annie :)
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It should be mentioned here that six young men from Otterbourne were concerned in the Crimean War .... Captain Denzil Chamberlayne and Julian B. Yonge, though health obliged the latter to return from Varna, while the former took part in the famous Balaklava charge, and was unhurt, though his horse was killed. And four of the privates, John Hawkins, James and William Mason, and Joseph Knight, of whom only James Mason lived to return. An inscription built into the wall of the churchyard records their names, with the inscription, suggested by Mr. Keble, "It is good for a man that he bear the yoke in his youth."
http://www.infomotions.com/etexts/gutenberg/dirs/etext04/jkbp10.htm
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02wl/
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/S?pp/ils:@FILREQ(@field(SUBJ+@od1(Chamberlayne,+Denzil+Thomas--Military+service+))+@FIELD(COLLID+ftncnw))
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This is sooooo addictive !! .... I keep saying to myself .... one more then I'll stop !! ::) ::) ::)
I haven't done any housework for a week !! :P ........ ( not that that's a bad thing .... I don't like housework !! :D )
So I'd better stop for a bit and give you guys a chance !! :) :) :)
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SENAFE, Eritrea - In a tiny, ramshackle graveyard, tucked behind an African hospital in ruins, lies the grave of a great Canadian hero.
In 1856, Alexander Robert Dunn was the first Canadian to earn a Victoria Cross. This past weekend troops on a United Nations peacekeeping mission in Ethiopia and Eritrea cleaned up the decrepit site.
"It was really gross" said Lt. Earl Maher, who sent 13 troops to do the job.
"The graveyard wasn't looked after at all."
The soldiers removed goat skulls, bones and excrement. "I think the locals must have used it as an animal pen until the wall [around the graveyard] fell down."
The soldiers, all engineers from CFB Gagetown in New Brunswick, spent an entire day at the site. Twenty-five wheelbarrows full of garbage and debris were cleared away.
The stone wall that encompasses the handful of graves in the yard is fixed, the wrought iron gate freshly painted and the cross that had broken off Dunn's tombstone once again in place.
"It was a mark of respect for someone who won the Victoria Cross," said Maher, a Queen's University grad.
Dunn earned the Victoria Cross as a 21-year-old lieutenant in the Charge of the Light Brigade in the Crimean War.
On Oct. 25, 1854, Dunn led his troops in attack after attack until the Russians withdrew. One one occasion, he noticed that the Russians were about to kill a sergeant, Robert Bentley, who was struggling with his horse which had been badly injured.
Fighting off the Russian attackers and putting Bentley on his own horse, Dunn saved Bentley's life.
Two years later he was given the most coveted and esteemed military award for Britain and the Commonwealth.
The abandoned gravesite was discovered around Christmas by Maj. Steve Beattie, a British Exchange officer based at CFB Kingston who was helping the UN peacekeeping mission.
A bit of a history buff, Beattie knew when he saw the grave that Dunn was an important figure. His research subsequently proved him right.
The chief of defence staff, the minister of national defence and the deputy chief of defence all recently visited the site.
"Ottawa is involved and they're interested in possibly exhuming the body and repatriating it back to Canada," Maher said.
For the time being Dunn can rest in peace in the small town of Senafe, in the temporary security zone being established between Ethiopia and Eritrea.
The 234 Canadian troops here were so inspired by the discovery they have named their camp in Dunn's honour.
"It's just such a coincidence," Maher said. "You never expect to find something like that. I'd never heard of Eritrea before this operation. I knew about Ethiopia, but I didn't even know Eritrea existed.
"We come here and smack down in the middle of the two countries is a Canadian.
"Everyone automatically thought, '[The state of his grave] has got to be fixed.' It's just something you do for a fellow soldier."
http://thegallopingbeaver.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_archive.html
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Abit more on Joseph Malone
From Salfords Famous Men:- Heroes and Achievers
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02wn/
Joseph Malone...........Eccles born hero who was the first man from the Manchester area ever to wear the medal "For Valour". He was born on January 11th 1833 and at the age of eighteen joined the illustrious British cavalry, enlisting in the 13th Light Dragoons at Cross Lane Barracks in Salford. He took part in the famous Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava and it was for his bravery in helping to rescue a wounded Lancer that he was recommended for the VC. He recieved this on November 21st 1857 from Queen Victoria at Windsor Castle. He also recieved the Crimea Medal with four clasps and the Turkish Medal. He died of bronchitis in South Africa on June 28th 1883.
Phil
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Have you found this site yet?
The Charge of the Light Brigade
The 13th at Balaclava
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tf/
It's got more on Joseph Malone and pictures!!!!
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Hi Phil !
That Salford site is interesting - haven't seen that before ! ... some titbits on there !! :) the other site is good for Boer War stuff too !! ........ got a lot for my Spion Kop on there !!
Annie :D
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William Bird, chief London County Council messenger, is about to retire after thirty years' municipal service. He is 67, and rode in the charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava.
02 Nov 1902
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William Russell Parnell ..... what a life this soldier had !! :)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02wr/
William Russell Parnell
Rank and organization - First Lieutenant, 1st U.S. Cavalry
Date and Place of Birth - Dublin, Ireland, 13 August 1836.
Entered Service at - Brooklyn, Kings County, New York
Battle or Place of Action - White Bird Canyon, Idaho.
Date of Issue - 16 September 1897
Citation - With a few men, in the face of a heavy fire from pursuing Indians and in imminent peril, returned and rescued a soldier whose horse had been killed and who had been left behind in the retreat
Born in Dublin, Ireland, on August 13, 1836 - Parnell enlisted in the Fourth Hussars of the British Army at the age of eighteen. He later transferred to the Lancers and fought in the Crimean War, participating in the capture of Sebastopol. He was one of the few survivors of the fabled Charge of the Six Hundred at Balaclava.
Parnell immigrated to the United States in 1860 - and soon after the start of the Civil War he enlisted in the Fourth New York Cavalry. Probably because of his military experience, his comrades elected him a first lieutenant. In 1861 and 1862 Parnell served with Blenker's Division in the Army of the Potomac in the Shenandoah Valley and West Virginia. He took part in the Battles of Cross Keys, Port Republic, Cedar Mountain, and Second Manassas. With the Cavalry Corps he fought in the Battles of Fredericksburg, Beverly Ford, Brandy Station, Stoneman's Raid, Aldie, and Middleburg. During the Battle of Upperville on June 21, 1863, Parnell fell into Confederate hands after leading an unsuccessful cavalry charge - but in August he eluded his captors and made his way to Petersubrg, West Virginia.
Reunited with his command - he continued to see action in the Battles of the Wilderness, Spotsylvania, Trevilian Station, Petersburg (Virginia), Lee's Mills, Winchester, and Cedar Creek, and in a number of less important engagements. Before being honorably mustered out on December 5, 1864, Parnell reached the rank of lieutenant colonel and earned one brevet, that of captain, for the gallantry he had displayed at Upperville. Two years after Appomattox, he received a second brevet for general gallantry and meritorious service.
Parnell applied for a commission in the Regular Army near the end of the war, and on February 23, 1866, he accepted an appointment as a second lieutenant in the First Cavalry, becoming a first lieutenant on October 15.
During the summer of 1867, Parnell joined his company from detached service and almost immediately received orders to march to California in order to participate in a campaign against a band of hostiles operating on the Pit River. Lt. Col. George Crook led the punitive expedition, which consisted of Company D of the Twenty-third Infantry, Company H of the First Cavalry (commanded by Parnell), and a group of Boise scouts.
Before long the force encountered a band of warriors on the south fork of Pit River. Entrenched behind boulders on a high and almost inaccessible ledge of rock, the Indians were difficult to reach. On September 26 Crook ordered an assault. Parnell led Company H and the Boise scouts up the south bluff, but the warriors drove them back and the troops returned to their camp at the base of the mountain shortly before dark. At daylight Parnell led a second charge. Under heavy fire, the attackers gained ground and were able to enter the stronghold. There they found only twenty dead hostiles, the rest having made their escape through a subterranean passage.
Crook recommended Parnell for another brevet for his part in the action, and he soon earned the right to be addressed as lieutenant colonel. During the next decade Parnell continued to serve in the Northwest and fought in a number of Indian campaigns. On March 14, 1868, he was wounded at the Battle of Dunder and Blitzen Creek in Oregon, and like the other officers under Perry's command he saw action in the Modoc War.
Parnell bore the marks of many hard campaigns. At Upperville he had been shot in the left hip, and the bullet had imbedded itself in the bone. His doctor had decided to leave the missile where it was, and the veteran officer still carried it with him.
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Parnell had also received a number of deep saber cuts at Upperville, and one of them had severed the bone in his nose. As a prisoner of war after battle, he had received no medical attention, and the bone had corroded and fallen away, leaving a gaping hole in the roof of his mouth and making it difficult for him to articulate.
Parnell had a metal plate made to cover the aperture, and although it permitted him to speak intelligibly, it caused his voice to rise in pitch. The plate was fragile, and he lived in constant fear of breaking it - as he did in November of 1869 having to travel to Portland to have a new one made and inserted. Michael McCarthy described Parnell a 'a large fleshy man' who 'taxed the powers of his horse quite heavily.
"During the retreat [From White Bird Canyon] the force passed through a marsh, and Parnell noticed a man struggling over the swampy ground about halfway between the column and the Indians. He could just see the man's head bobbing above the grass. In a few more minutes, the Nez Perce would surely have him. The man was Pvt. Aman Hartman of Company H, who had lost his horse to an Indian bullet. Parnell detailed a couple of men and charged to the rescue. Hartman mounted behind one of the men and the little party rode back to the column"
( Parnell did mention this incident in his report cited in The Battle Of White Bird Cañon (Part II) above, but did not mention the man’s name and made no mention of its eventual significance. )
William R. Parnell
William Parnell reached the rank of captain on April 27, 1879. Eight years later on 11 February 1887 he retired on disability. Two sources state that he attained the rank of Colonel yet two others report that his highest rank attained was that of Major. He spent the last ten years of his life as a military instructor at St. Matthew's School in San Mateo, California. Parnell received the Medal of Honor for rescuing Aman Hartman during the retreat to Grangeville on September 16, 1897
Of William Parnell, General Howard wrote the following. “For continuous pluck, good sense, clean headedness under fire, and for the salvation of one half of the command, I think he is deserving a Medal of Honor.”
William R. Parnell died at 2:54 a.m. on August 20, 1910. The presiding doctor gave the cause of death as senile debility with chronic cystitis and exhaustion following a prostatectomy and he is buried in San Francisco National Cemetery (0S-68 Row 54), San Francisco, California.
Parnell, William R, d. 08/20/1910, MAJOR US ARMY RTD, Plot: 68 OF8, *
http://www.interment.net/data/us/ca/sanfran/sfnat/san%5Ffran%5Fpalpel.htm
Annie :)
http://museum.mil.idaho.gov/Newsletter/4thQtr2001.htm
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William Russell Parnell 13 August 1836 - August 20, 1910
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More trivia .... did you know ?? .....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/12/28/nvc28.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/12/28/ixhome.html
Annie :)
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Frances Isabella Locke Duberly 1829-1903
Born Frances Isabella Locke in 1829, the daughter of a Wiltshire banker, Wadham Locke, she has been described as “a splendid rider, witty, ambitious, daring, lively, loquacious and gregarious.” She certainly possessed the physical requirements and tough attitude required of her surroundings: “was awoke by the reveille at half-past two; rose, packed our bedding and tent, got a stale egg and a mouthful of brandy, and was in my saddle by half-past five.”
After the death of her mother in 1838, she moved to live with her eldest brother (also Wadham Locke) at Ashton Gifford House in Wiltshire. She left Ashton Gifford on her marriage in 1845 - which took place shortly after her brother had married for a second time.
Fanny Duberly was an adventurous soldier’s wife from the Crimean War and Sepoy Mutiny. Her husband, Captain Henry Duberly, was the paymaster to the 8th Royal Irish Hussars, part of the famed Light Brigade of Balaclava
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Isabella_Duberly
Fanny Duberly, at age 25, accompanied her husband to the Crimea, and remained there until the end of the fighting. She was the only officer's wife to remain throughout the entire campaign. She survived the severe winter of 1854-55, witnessed the battle of Balaklava, and rode through the ruins of Sebastopol. Through it all, she was determined to keep a brave face: "I would scorn & dread to let them [the soldiers] know such thoughts were ever in my mind. Half of them know me as the never omitted guest, where a dinner is wanted to be amusing & brilliant & half as the rider of their troublesome horses. I wish I was a man."
So wrote Fanny in a private letter to her sister Selina. I suspect Fanny would have been quite successful as a man -- indeed, as an officer. Intelligent, forceful, with a grasp of military tactics, a passionate love of horses, and an impressive resistance to cold, scant food, and unsanitary conditions, I can imagine her storming the barricades of Balaklava with the best of the them.
But Fanny, with all her intelligence and determination, was restricted to being the wife of a soldier. Her husband Henry was a poor youngest son, whose ability to rise in the military was restricted by his lack of money, and it must be admitted, by his placidity and lack of "dash". As army Paymaster for a "smart" cavalry regiment, Henry achieved an akward balance between financial security and social status.
Despite differences in personality, restless Fanny and quiet Henry were a devoted couple, rarely apart. Fanny's letters show a deep and consistent attachment to Henry, and it is clear that his presence was essential to her comfort. Fanny was determined to accompany her husband wherever he was posted, and went to considerable lengths to do so. She was aided and abetted by friends in both the army and navy. Without their help -- especially the navy -- she could never have made it to the Crimea.
At one point she writes, 'Lord Lucan, who commands the Cavalry, sent an order to Major De Salis, yesterday, to the effect that, "unless Mrs. Duberly had an order sanctioning her doing so, she was not to re-embark on board the 'Shooting Star,' about to proceed to Varna." Major De Salis returned for answer, that "Mrs. Duberly had not disembarked from the 'Shooting Star,' and he had not sufficient authority to order her to do so."'
After an order restricted the number of horses to be taken, making it impossible for Fanny to ride with the army, she deeply lamented her separation from Henry. "At ten o'clock to-day, with failing heart, I parted from my dear husband, and watched him go ashore; whilst I, alas! having no horse, cannot follow him, but must go on board the "Shooting Star," and get round by sea. How I hate it! How much rather I would endure any hardship than be separated from him at this time!"
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Fanny eventually arrived at Balaklava, where she was reunited with her Henry. Conditions on shore were so bad that she regretfully begged a place to live on board ship. On the "Star of the South," within the partial protection of the harbour, she rode out a violent storm which destroyed ships and badly-needed supplies. Two weeks later, bodies were still afloat in the harbour. "I was scarcely over the ship's side, when the boat drifted – oh, horror! – against a dead body, one of the many that were floating in from the wrecks outside."
The situation in the Crimea were appalling, and bad decisions created extra hardships for the British army. The harsh conditions of daily life -- starving, wet, freezing, and surrounded by cholera-carrying filth -- killed thousands of men and horses. Fanny wrote scathingly:
'If any body should ever wish to erect a "Model Balaklava" in England, I will tell him the ingredients necessary. Take a village of ruined houses and hovels in the extremest state of all imaginable dirt; allow the rain to pour into and outside them, until the whole place is a swamp of filth ancle-deep; catch about, on an average, 1000 sick Turks with the plague, and cram them into the houses indiscriminately; kill about 100 a-day, and bury them so as to be scarcely covered with earth, leaving them to rot at leisure – taking care to keep up the supply. On to one part of the beach drive all the exhausted bât ponies, dying bullocks, and worn-out camels, and leave them to die of starvation. They will generally do so in about three days, when they will soon begin to rot, and smell accordingly. Collect together from the water of the harbour all the offal of the animals slaughtered for the use of the occupants of above 100 ships, to say nothing of the inhabitants of the town, – which, together with an occasional floating human body, whole or in parts, and the driftwood of the wrecks, pretty well covers the water – and stew them all up together in a narrow harbour, and you will have a tolerable imitation of the real essence of Balaklava.'
Not surprisingly, the British soldiers on shore were in poor condition to fight an opposing army. "The appearance of the officers very much resembles that of the horses; they all look equally thin, worn, ragged, and out of condition in every way." If Fanny sometimes seems to have more sympathy for the horses than for the men, perhaps it is because the horses had no share in creating the conditions which they must endure.
From the heights above, on October 25, 1854, Fanny saw both the triumph of Sir Colin Campbell's thin red line, and the heart-breaking destruction of the Light Brigade. "Now came the disaster of the day – our glorious and fatal charge. But so sick at heart am I that I can barely write of it even now. ... presently the Light Brigade, leaving their position, advanced by themselves, although in the face of the whole Russian force, and under a fire that seemed pouring from all sides, as though every bush was a musket, every stone in the hill side a gun. Faster and faster they rode. How we watched them! ... presently come a few horsemen, straggling, galloping back. "What can those skirmishers be doing? See, they form up together again. Good God! it is the Light Brigade!"
Fanny laments the decisions of the British leaders on several occasions. "Ah, how have our resources been wasted! – our horses killed! – our men invalided; while over it all broods the most culpable indifference!"
The Crimean war was a time of great hardships, great mistakes, and great sorrows. But Fanny Duberly was a woman of great spirit! She survived the entire war -- and a later posting to mutinous India -- before settling down with her beloved Henry in England.
http://merrigold.livejournal.com/
http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/duberly/journal/journal.html
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"Sir Briggs" one of the horse survivors of the Charge of the Light Brigade - ridden in the Charge by Lord Tredegar an officer of the 17th Lancers
Place of Birth - South Wales
Famous For - Viscount Lord Tredegar's charger
Trivia - Godfrey Morgan was so grateful to have survived the Crimea, he had Sir Briggs buried in his garden.
Biography - The horse that led Godfrey Morgan into battle,and survived the carnage.
John Greeves tells the full story - A visitor will find the grave of Sir Briggs in the cedar garden of Tredegar house. The inscription reads ....
In Memory of Sir Briggs
Favourite charger. He carried his master the Hon. Godfrey Morgan, Captain 17th Lancers boldly and well at the Battle of Alma, in the first line of the Light Cavalry Charge at Balaclava and the battle of Inkerman, 1854. He died at Tredegar Park February 6th 1874. Aged 28 years.
Sir Briggs was bought in 1851, the same year he won the hunt Steeple Chase at Cowbridge. When the Crimea war broke out, the most sensible thing would have been to send horses and men by steam ship to the Black Sea. It wasn't to be - Sir Briggs set sail from Portsmouth in 1854 on board the Edmundsbury, a sailing ship carrying forty horses, four of which belonged to Godfrey. They lost horses to seasickness. Atheist Captain Morgan's 2nd charger died and was thrown overboard. Other horses continued to die.
The vessel stopped briefly at Malta, and by 19 May had reached the Dardanelles. The vessel anchored at Constantinople for four days. The regiment had lost twenty six horses, and others continued to die.
The troops then embarked for the Bulgarian port of Varna. The Bulgarian phase ended when the Turks took Silistria, and the Russians retreated.
At the Crimea, the cavalry remained largely inactive. It was not until Balaclava, that bloody action was seen. The exact numbers taking part in the charge is controversial, and put between 661 and 673. After the charge only 195 came back. Sir Briggs received a sabre cut to the forehead.
Inkerman followed. Horses became 'hog-maned' and 'rat-tailed'. Many died from starvation.
Godfrey Morgan became sick and returned to Constantinople. Sir Briggs remained in the Crimea with his brother Frederick Morgan, and was used as his staff horse. In the same year that Sebastopol fell, Sir Briggs won the military steeplechase at Sebastopol.
In 1855 - Sir Briggs ( whose memorial is in front of Cardiff's City Hall ) - returned to Tredegar House, where he was finally buried.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southeast/halloffame/historical_figures/briggs.shtml
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Hi - I am the 'searching for uniform' posting - kargil - my relation is gggrandfather - Troop Sergeant Major William Bentley - 11th Hussars - saved by Dunn during the Charge. I was invited to Toronto to attend the reinternment of Dunn's remains - but it all fell through at the very last minute?? Have never ever found out why? Flights were all booked so we went anyways! Anyway here is a bit about gggrandpa -
863 William BENTLEY.
Born at Kilnwick-on-the-Wold, Yorkshire on the 25 of October 1816. The parish records of Kilnwick-justa-Witton show a William Bentley, the son of John and Mary Bentley, being baptised there on the 25 of October 1817, by the Revd. William Lugard, Curate. His father’s occupation was shown as that of a labourer.
Enlisted at Beverley on the 7 of July 1835.
Age. 19. Height. 5’ 9.” Trade. Farmer.
Fresh complexion. Hazel eyes. Lt. brown hair.
From Pte. to Cpl. 20 of June 1851.
Cpl. to Sgt. 13 of November 1853.
At Scutari from the 22 of September 1854 and sent to rejoin the regiment on the 11 of October.
At Balaclava, Bentley’s life was saved by Lieutenant Dunn cutting down three Russians who were attacking him from the rear. He had been wounded in the knee and in the back of the neck.
At the Cavalry Depot, Scutari, from the 3 of April - 11 of May 1855.
Appointed to Troop-Sgt. Major on the 26 of November 1855.
(Sent money from the Crimea to his then wife, Mary Bentley, (see later paragraph.)
Discharged from Birmingham on the 7 of July 1860, “To serve with the Royal Wiltshire Yeomanry.” In this he was a Drill Instructor at Calne until 1872, so serving in the Army for a total of 37 years.
Service to count (Regular Army) 25 years 18 days. In Bulgaria and the Crimea, 2 years. East Indies, 1 year 6 months.
Conduct, “very good,.” Was in possession of three G.C. badges when promoted to Sgt.
Never entered in the Regimental Defaulter’s book. Never tried by Court-martial.
Entitled to the Crimean medal with clasps for Balaclava, Inkerman and Sebastopol and although his group of medals is known to contain all for four clasps. he is not recorded as being entitled to the Alma clasp on the Alma/Inkerman roll.
Awarded the L. S. & G. C. medal on the 25 of May 1857.
Attended the first Balaclava Banquet in 1875.
Member of the Balaclava Commemoration Society in 1879.
Signed the Loyal Address to the Queen in 1887.
He died at No. 2 St. John’s Crescent, Penley’s Grove Street, York, of “Disease of the prostate, Cystitis, for 6 months.” aged 74 years, on the 1 of March 1891.
His burial took place in the old part of York Cemetery, Grave space No. 5854N, on the 5 of March 1891.
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Sir Briggs ~ I have walked past this imposing statue so many times!!!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16996946@N00/108858570
Wendi :)
Who is starting to worry about herself as the animals are more interesting than the men, but then again on this thread the men are older than those we normally look at 'ay Annie ;)
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Kargill .... thank you so much for sharing that with us ! .....
how exciting that one of these brave soldiers is yours !! :D :D :D :D ...... I'm envious now !! ;D
Wendi ... ah yes ! but even the soldiers we look at - are over 100 years old !! ;D ;D
Thanks for Sir Briggs ... I couldn't find a decent photo !! :)
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Thanks for Sir Briggs ... I couldn't find a decent photo !! :)
Me neither or is that niether ::) ;) Wendi :)
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horses:
In cavalry charge the list of casualities among horses is naturally greater than among men . At Talavera 290 horses were killed and 240 men, while at the famous charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava the losses among horses were 360 (460)* and among men 280.
*One article gives 360, another with almost the same text, but few days later - 460
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LOCKPORT-Sergeant Ambrose Short, one of the "Noble Six Hundred", a groceryman of this city, was kicked by his horse and died of his injuries this morning. He was born in Bristol, England. He took part in the charge of the 600 under Carldigan, coming out untouched. At the Queen's jubilee, which he attended, he received a gold medal for services at Balaklava. He got a medal at the close of the Crimean War, one for service in India, and one from Sultan, which he displayed with pride. He had a certificate of good character from his captain, W.R. Tackwell. A year ago he accidently met George Miles * of Wilson, and old comrade of the Light Brigade, by whose side he rode in the famous charge. Both had lived in Niagara twenty years without knowing the other was still alive.
Nov 15, 1901
* E.J. Boys Archive - George Mills
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Policeman Charles H. McKenzie*, one of the survivors of the charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava, which Tennyson has immortalized in verse, was burned out this morning. His house, with all it contained, including even his month's pay, which he got day before yesterday, was destroyed. The house stood on Riverside avenue, at Ninety-seventh street, New York. It was a two story and attic frame building, the property of Alexander McDonald, a resident of California.
03 Mar 1886
* E.J. Boys Archive - missing
Charles A. McKenzie, one of the "six hundred" who made the famous charge at Balaklava and served here in the War of the Rebellion, was buried yesterday with military honors by Farnham Post, G.A.R., of which he was a member
17 Jan 1887
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Hero of Many Battles ..........
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9903E6DA1639E233A25754C1A9679C94669FD7CF
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An interesting memento of the charge of the light brigade at Balaklava is to be sold in London shortly - the trumpet of Trumpet Major Gray, who was an orderly to Lord Cardigan, and with him headed the charge of "The Six Hundred". His medals and the cross of the French Legion of Honor will be also auctioned.
11 Aug 1899
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Here's a soldier who just missed the action .... although on the list of "Chargers " .......
John Lawrenson joined the 13th Light Dragoons as a Cornet, 12th November 1818, exchanging to the 4th Dragoon Guards in 1822. He joined the 17th Lancers (as Captain) on 15th March 1827. Appointed Lieutenant-Colonel of the 13th Light Dragoons in 1845, he returned to the 17th Lancers in April 1851 and was Brevet-Colonel, 20 June 1854.
Owing to sickness he was granted leave of absence on 23rd October 1854, thus leaving for England just two days before the Charge of the Light Brigade. He received his Crimea medal from Queen Victoria on Horse Guards Parade on 18th May 1855.
Following his recovery he was Brigadier-General in command of the Heavy Brigade (July 1855), and he later succeeded Sir James Scarlett as Commander of British Cavalry in the East. He retired with the rank of General in 1877, and died on 30th October 1883.
* E.J. Boys Archive - Col John Lawrenson 17th Lancers
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Storr & Sons of Covent Garden will offer for sale the bugle on which the late Trumpet Major H. Joy, staff trumpeter to Colonel the Earl of Lucan, then in command of cavalry in the Crimea - sounded the order for the gallop and charge on this memorial occasion, the other regimental trumpeters taking up the call from him.
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Benjamin Boville, one of the famous 600 who participated in the charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava died in Troy on Sunday.
22 Jan 1884, Brooklyn Daily Eagle
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The book you wish you had Annie ;D ;D ;D
http://www.lawrencecrider.com/
Take a look at the Updates and Additions section particularly which includes biographies of James William Wightman and Alexander Low.
It also has the "definitive" list of the Chargers.
Phil :)
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I know Phil .... it's on my birthday wish list !! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I want a proper copy !! ;D
James William Wightman 1177 17th Lancers
Fifty men only, blinded and stunned, had survived from the first line. Private Wightman of the 17th Lancers felt the frightful crash, saw his captain fall dead; then his horse made a 'tremendous leap into the air', though what he jumped at Wightman never knew - the pall of smoke was so dense that he could not see his arm before him - but suddenly he was in the battery, and in the darkness there were sounds of fighting and slaughter. The scene, was extraordinary: smoke so obscured the sun that it was barely twilight, and in the gloom the British troopers, maddened with excitement, cut and thrust and hacked like demons, while the Russian gunners with superb courage fought to remove the guns
http://www.historyhome.co.uk/forpol/crimea/smithcharge.htm
http://www.lawrencecrider.com/James%20William%20Wightman.html
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02ws/
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Just a thought .... look how many of them went to America and Canada !! :)
That amazes me !!
Annie :)
Edit .... we still have loads to find !! :P :P :P
http://www.lawrencecrider.com/Chargers.pdf
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And again Blair Irwin : http://www.rootschat.com/links/02x8/
Blair Irwin, 67 years old, native of Sligo, Ireland, and a survivor of the battle at Balaklava and the charge of the Light brigade, is making arrangements to walk from Boston to Chicago, carrying the American and English flags. He resides in Boston.
12 May 1893
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If you scroll all the way down to the bottom ... you'll see .......
Returns of Prisoners taken by the Russians on October 25th 1854
http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/alma.html
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Jackson, Mich., July 6 - Thomas Phillips*, one of the four survivors of the historic charge of the six hundred at Balaklava on October 25, 1854, is dead at his home in Woodsville. He has lived in America for twenty years. The other three survivors are living in England.
* E.J. Boys Archive - missing
06 July 1895
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Laporte, Ind., October 14 - Michael Cunningham *of Michigan city claims to be one of the survivors of the famous six hundred who were immortalied at the battle of Balaklava. He can neither read nor write, yet he is able minutely and graphically to describe the charge. S.J. Taylor, an attorney, has made application to the British government for a pension for Cunningham, and a letter just received from Sir Herbert E. Maxwell, a member of the British paliament, conveys the assurance that he will be handsomely pensioned. Cunningham is in indigent circumstances. He is said to be the only survivor of the famous charge living in the United States.
*E.J. Boys Archive - James and William Cunningham
14 Oct 1895
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Now here's a sad man ...... !
Charles Wooden 24 March 1827 - April 14 1875 ..... was a German recipient of the Victoria Cross and he is buried in an unmarked grave in Dover Cemetery
Name - Charles WOODEN
Rank - Lieutenant
Force - 17th Lancers (Duke of Cambridge's Own)
VC won - Crimea 25 October 1854
London Gazette - 26 October 1858
Born - Germany - 24 March 1829
Died - 24 April 1876 Dover
Grave - St James's Cemetery Dover
Location of VC - Queen's Royal Lancers Museum Belvoir Castle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Wooden
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One of the immortal six hundred who won undying fame for themselves in this memorable piece of military blundering was John Harrison, * who now peacefully pursues the trade of a decorator and paper hanger at Delhi, N.Y., and merely dreams of the time when he sabred the Russian gunners and hewed his way through the ranks of the enemy with "the beautiful white weapon". Harrison was a trooper in the First Royal dragoons.
* E.J. Boys Archive - missing
Aug 11, 1895
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Corporal James Cameron
Honouring a Balaclava Hero
A few evenings since, at the Brunswick Inn, Union Street, Higher Broughton, a number of admiring friends met to celebrate the twenty-seventh anniversary of the famed charge of the “Light Brigade,” and to do honour to one of its renowned heroes, Corporal James Cameron of the 13th Light Dragoons. Speeches, toasts and songs suitable to the occasion kept the evening all alive, and to see the old veteran, who is now in his sixty-eighth year, behind some half a dozen clasps and medals which adorned his breast whilst he modestly expostulated on the dashing events of that ever-to-be-remembered day, was a picture worth looking at and one which could have hardly been improved by the magic art of even a Miss Thompson herself. The brave old veteran seemed thoroughly to enjoy his position, and appeared once more to realise the glories of that day that made British arms a by-word for bravery throughout the world. Poor fellow, their rank and file is getting very thin with age but, as Tennyson says, “When will their glory fade.”
Salford Weekly News 5th of November 1881
Died at Manchester on the 11th of December 1882 aged 70 years and was buried in the Weaste Cemetery at Salford in Grave No. 1396/A3.
The erected tombstone bears the following inscription: “In loving memory of James Wilson, who died July 2nd 1882, aged 36 years.” “In memory of the late Corpl. James Cameron of the 13th Light Dragoons. One of the last survivors of the “Six Hundred.” Wounded in the Charge at Balaclava. Died Dec. 11th 1882, aged 70 years.” Also of “Jane Cameron, wife of the above, who died April 7th 1892, aged 75 years.”
http://www.chargeofthelightbrigade.com/allmen/allmenC/allmenC_13LD/cameron_j_1412_13LD/cameron_j_1412_13LD.html
Heres another soldier at Weaste ...........
Ardwick-born Private Ferdinand Stanley 1039 4th Light Dragoons
Ferdinand Stanley was born in Manchester in 1818. He worked as a weaver until he enlisted at the age of 21. He served in India and Ireland before going to the Crimea in 1854.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/71/71160_charge_of_the_light_brigade_hero_honoured.html
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Private Thomas Fletcher 4th Light Dragoons
b. 1826 Birmingham ..... son of Thomas Fletcher of Birmingham Warwickshire
Enlisted 19 05 1846 Birmingham aged 20 years - was engaged in the Charge of the Light Brigade 25th October 1854 ....... he was wounded and was a POW taken by the Russians .... a brave man by all accounts .... he died of wounds to his head.
http://shadowsoftime.co.nz/4ths/fourths.html
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02xa/
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See reply 201
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,286323.195.html
Trumpet Major Henry Joy
Died Aug. 17 1893 ....... British Army Soldier he was trumpet major of the 17th Lancers regiment, and was present with the unit in the Crimean War. As staff trumpeter to General the Earl of Lucan, he sounded the memorable Charge of the Light Brigade at the Battle of Balaclava ( ? )
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6141378
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Private John Penn
John Penn was the son of the Farrier-Major of the 14th Light Dragoons. He joined the cavalry as soon as he was able and first saw action in Afghanistan (1839-42). He then fought in the first Sikh War (1845-46). During the Battle of Moodkee he engaged a Sikh artilleryman in hand-to-hand combat and although he slew the Sikh he sustained a severe blow to the head. Dazed, he wandered off and was not found until the following day, suffering from hypothermia. He then went on to fight at the Battle of Sobraon. During the Second Sikh War (1848-49) he fought at Ramnuggar, Chenab, Soodoolapore, Chillianwalla and Gujerat. The 3rd Light Dragoons returned to England in 1853. Within days of his return, Penn had volunteered for service with the 17th Lancers who were leaving for Turkey. They arrived in the Crimea in September 1854. He fought at Alma and Mackenzie's Farm. He then charged with the Light Brigade at Balaclava. After his horse was wounded behind the Russian guns, he killed a Russian officer and took his sword. Using this sword, he fought his way to safety. He then took part in the Battle of Inkerman. Later he was invalided home after suffering sunstroke at Baldar in 1855. He received eleven decorations for gallantry.
http://www.battlefield-site.co.uk/extraordinary_anecdotes.htm
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"Butcher Jack" Vahey
Probably the most colourful character to ride in the Charge of the Light Brigade at the Battle of Balaclava in 1854 was John Vahey, regimental butcher of the 17th Lancers and known to all as “Butcher Jack”.
Canon William Lummis describes his activities
“ Vahey……was slaughtering on the morning of the 25th. Hearing of the Heavy Brigade’s charge, he went to rejoin his regiment, still in his bloody overalls , stopping only to put on the sword and pouch of a dead soldier and riding off on his horse. He was directed by Lieutenant Chadwick to rejoin his own squadron, which he did and rode with Wightman down the valley. Vahey’s horse was shot and he lay insensible beneath it. When he was eventually released he walked back from whence he started.
He went to India in 1857. He was said to be a heavy drinker, who would dig graves to earn extra money. On a long march from Gwalior to Secunderabad, the regiment was struck by cholera. Vahey died and was buried with six other victims in a grave he himself had dug.”
http://www.battlefield-site.co.uk/extraordinary_anecdotes.htm
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02ws/
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Regimental Sergeant Major Thomas Morley
He fought in the Crimean War with the 17th Lancers ..... He took part in the Charge at Balaclava in 1854. After his discharge he travelled to America in 1862 and served as a Lieutenant (later promoted Captain) with the 12th Pennsylvania Cavalry and was twice taken prisoner of war by the Confederates. Morley’s qualities did not include modesty. He had a very high opinion of himself and repeatedly petitioned on his own account over a period of 35 years for the Victoria Cross which he believed he deserved for bravery at Balaclava and Inkermann. He didn’t get it.
http://www.battlefield-site.co.uk/extraordinary_anecdotes.htm
[The birthplace of Burns is now (February 1879) in the hands of Mr Thomas Morley, a retired soldier and very curiously an Englishman - who deserves more than a passing notice from the circumstance that he took part in the charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava, and with the last remnant of that ill-fated squadron under his command cut his way through the Russian lines and rejoined the British forces when the blundering order which almost annihilated his regiment had been fulfilled. Finding that this and other heroic achievements performed by him during the ardous campaign were slightly passed over by the War Department, he joined the American Army, and during the civil war of that country rose to the post of Captain. When peace was restored, he returned to this country and became Regimental Sergeant-Major of the Ayshire Yeomanry Cavalry, and latterly tenant of "The Cottage." Under his judicious management, drink is no longer dispensed within its precincts, but is wholly confined to the adjoining slated house, where all visitors desirous of indulging must consume their potations.]
http://www.electricscotland.com/burns/rambles6.htm
Morley, Thomas 12th Pennsylvania Cavalry - 1170
Enrolled - 6-25-62
As - 2nd Lt. at - Washington, D.C.
Discharged - 4-25-65
Age at enrollment - 32
Remarks - Pro to 1st Lt Co. G 5-1-64 Trans from Co.G and Pro to Capt. Co I 2-6-65.
Resigned.
It's believed that he was twice captured and released/escaped, and may have found employment at the War Dept in Washington after his discharge.
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PA-CIVIL-WAR/2006-03/1141931158
Thomas Morley 1st Lt. June 25, 1862 ........... 3 year term
Promoted to 2d Lt., June 25, 1862
to 1st Lt.. May 1, 1864
to Captain Company I, February 6, 1865
http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/cavalry/12thcav/12thcavcog.html
http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/index.html
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Lt Daniel Clutterbuck 8th Hussars
Captain Hugh Clutterbuck of Hardenhuish Park Chippenham
born at Bath March 15th 1828 ... died 5 August 1906
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02xb/
http://clutterbuckorg.blogspot.com/
The deaths of both ( in 1906 ) followed in the nine months since their Golden Wedding Mrs Clutterbuck at the end of April .... Last year 1905 Mr Clutterbuck was confined to his room a great deal owing to injuries sustained in two severe accidents Mr Clutterbuck was a JP for the county of Wiltshire and the inhabitants of the district in which he lived always ( spoke ) in high terms both of his and the late Mrs Clutterbucks great kindness to those among whom they lived and the family rank as one of the most respected in the district ... he died 5 August 1906 in Corsham
Both were interred at Corsham in St Batholomew's churchyard
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Pte William Robinson of the 4th Light Dragoons
Some of the visitors this weekend were direct descendants of soldiers who took part. Peter Robinson's great-great-great-grandfather, Pte William Robinson of the 4th Light Dragoons, survived the charge.
Mr Robinson, 58, said: "He was blown off his horse and stunned. The horse nudged him and brought him round, he remounted and rode to safety."
http://hnn.us/roundup/archives/11/2004/11/#8295
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William Pearson (1826-1909)
He was born in Penrith in 1826. He was brought up in North Westmorland and was a leather dresser before running away to enlist in the 4th Light Dragoons in 1848, at Westminster. He was serving in Ireland when the regiment received orders for the Crimea.
During the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava his horse stumbled over another that had fallen and he had to mount a rider-less horse of the 8th Hussars. He had an epaulette shot from his shoulder and returned from the affair with a wound to his forehead. The severe Crimean winter left Pearson with frost-bite and he spent Christmas Eve 1854 having four toes amputated. He was nursed by Florence Nightingale at the hospital in Scutari before being invalided home.
He was presented before Queen Victoria in 1855, and discharged as unfit for further military service, with a pension of 8d a day. This was later increased to 12s a week by the Royal Patriotic Fund. He received the Crimea Medal (with clasps for Alma, Balaclava, Inkerman and Sebastopol), the Turkish Medal, and he also had a Good Conduct Badge.
He died July 1909 aged 82 and was buried with military honours in Parkside Cemetery Kendal
http://www.eden.gov.uk/main.asp?page=3582
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I came across this and they would like as much help as possible to find out more information .... or photographs .... any help would be much appreciated :)
The Australian graves of Crimean War Light Brigade veterans.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Australian+graves+of+Crimean+War+Light+Brigade+veterans-a083477092
Pte John Gray 1485 4th Light Dragoons was born at Chatham Kent on 25 November 1831, the son of William Gray a painter, and his wife, Mary.
He enlisted at Rochester in the 57th Regiment of Foot on 24 November 1845 at the age of 15 years. Gray was appointed Drummer in October 1849. He transferred as a Private to the 4th Light Dragoons in May 1851 and `to serve in the Regimental Band.'
Slightly wounded at Balaclava during the Charge, he was entitled to the Crimean medal with clasps `Alma', `Balaclava' and `Sebastopol', and was discharged from Dublin in May 1861, after 12 years service
Gray lived in Chatham, England, up to 1864, but he later emigrated to Australia and settled near Fremantle, where he died on 24 June 1891, aged 60 years, from "Paralysis Alcoholism, (Acute)." He was buried in the old cemetery in Alma Street, Fremantle, which has now been levelled and a check of the Records of Burial shows that there is a gap in them of 24 years between the 31 of July 1875 and the 4 of March 1897, thus no trace of his grave can be found.
More information found on the site above
*E.J. Boys Archive Pte John Gray 1485 4th Light Dragoons
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The Australian graves of Crimean War Light Brigade veterans.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Australian+graves+of+Crimean+War+Light+Brigade+veterans-a083477092
Private Edward Grennan 1425 4th Light Dragoons was born at Maryborough, Co. Queens Ireland and enlisted at Athlone in October of 1849, at the age of 18 years into the 4th Light Dragoons.
He was discharged from Cahir Ireland in October 1861 after 11 years service
He was entitled to the Crimean medal with clasps `Alma', `Balaclava', `Inkerman' and Sebastopol'.
He went to Australia on 1 November 1862, having gone from the Killkenny Ireland Pension District.
Grennan died at Royal Park Melbourne 14th December 1896 aged 61 and was buried in the Melbourne General Cemetery - a Roman Catholic - he was interred in Grave No. 58a in Plot D. on 16 December 1896.
The erected ledger stone cross and headstone are of roughly dressed bluestone. The only inscription on the ledger stone is `To One of the Noble Six Hundred', but on the marble slab on the headstone is written, `In memory of Edward Grennan, native of Queens Co. Ireland, who as a soldier of the 4th Light Dragoons fought at Alma, Inkerman and Sebastopol and also with the Light Brigade at Balaclava. He died at Royal Park Melbourne 14th December 1896, aged 61 years. May God have mercy on his soul.'
More information found on the site above but they would like as much help as possible to find out more information .... or photographs .... any help would be much appreciated :)
*E.J. Boys Archive Pte Edward Grennan 1425 4th Light Dragoons
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Forgotten-Heroes-Charge-Light-Brigade/dp/0955655404
Individual stories about the '600'
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Thought this may be of interest .... I hadn't seen a map I could understand ...... ::) though this is not too clear ... it gave me a better idea !! :)
Four miles to the rear lay the small town of Balaclava, through which the British supplies had to pass. From the head of the harbour was a grassy undulating place North East from the Tchernaya River, the plain itself some half a mile north of Balaclava, was bounded by a range of low hillocks extending west for nearly three miles from the village of Kamara. Along this ridge known as the Causeway Heights ran the 'Worontsoff Road'. Across the south valley lay the village of Kadikoi, and it was in the valley that the cavalry established itself with the heavy cavalry sharing piquet and outpost duty. To the north was North Valley, the scene of the Charge of the Light Brigade with the Sapoune Ridge and the Fedioakine Hills forming the Northern background to the battle whilst the Russian guns were to the east of the valley. Early on the morning of 25th October, following a Russian assault on the Eastern end of the redoubts, they soon carried redoubt No 1 (Canroberrs Hill) through redoubts 4 - 5 and with the Heavy Brigade counter attacking, the Light Brigade established itself at the Eastern end of the valley with Lord Raglan and Canroberts on the Sapoune Ridge.
At about 9.30 am the Russians consolidated their positions around redoubts 1 - 3 while their cavalry halted and reformed behind the protection of a battery of Don Cossack Horse Artillery.
Ordered by Lord Raglan, Lord Lucan assumed that he was to support an infantry attack and moved the Light Brigade up the North valley as far as the No 4 Redoubt. Lord Raglan from his elevated position could see Russian artillery teams moving forward, and assumed they were about to capture British guns abandoned in the redoubts, and he therefore ordered his Quartermaster, General Airey to send the order to Lord Lucan:
"Lord Raglan wishes the cavalry to advance rapidly to the front, follow the enemy and try to prevent he enemy carrying away the guns. Troop Horse Artillery may accompany. French Cavalry is on your left. Immediate."
On receiving this order from Captain Nolan the only guns Lucan could see were those attached to the Russian Cavalry at the far end of the North valley. "There my Lord, are your guns, there are the enemy." Nolan impatiently exclaimed with a sweep of his arm which took in the greater part of the Russian position
This order passed to Lord Cardigan who commented, "Well there goes the last of the Brudenells" and led the Brigade forward at a trot. Thus commenced the famous Charge, the 8th and 11th Hussars, 4th and 13th Light Dragoons and the 17th Lancers, writing a page of military history that has thrilled generations to this day.
All order was lost, and the spectators on the Supoune Heights saw only a few stragglers emerging from the smoke filled valley. In fact, 371 of the 658 men involved survived, with a loss of some 362 horses. The losses among the horses were almost certainly higher, as many were put down later. According to one source 113 were all that were left, and the majority of these were to die from exposure and starvation during the following winter. Effectively, the 5 regiments were ineffective as a fighting force as a result of the Charge.
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Salt Lake City, Utah, Oct.13 - James L. MacLaren, * a veteran of the Crimea died in this city to-day, aged sixty-two years. MacLaren entered the British army service at the age of twelve as a bugler, and lost a leg in famous charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava. He had lived in Utah since 1869
Oct. 14, 1902 The Washington Post
He was only 14 during the Charge where he lost his leg!
*E.J. Boys Archive - missing
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A parade of Grand Army of the Republic veterans and civic societies was held here to-day, after which the usual exercises took place at the sterling Cemetery.
In the exercises to-day Mr. Thompson was the entire center of attraction. The gray hair, the erect, soldier-like form, the vigor of an aged but dauntless eye was noted and wondered at by all. This old soldier was born at Linlethgo, Scotland, during the last hour of the last day in the year 1819. In 1852 he enlisted in the Seventy-ninth Cameron Highlanders while at Edinburgh Castle. He served through the Crimean campaign, being with Sir Colin Campbell's brigade. He recounts with vivid distinctness the bloody field of battle at Alma, the rush and roar of that heroic charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava, the almost ruthless sacrifice of life at Inkerman, and the tedious, long-drawnout siege of Sebastopol. Mr. Thompson enlisted in the Forty-first Ohio Volunteers, serving through the civil war to its close. Mr. Thompson came to the United States in 1858, locating at Cleveland, Ohio, and moved from there to this place in 1899.
At the breaking out of the Crimean war his company was hurried on board a vessel named the Simoon and sent to Turkey, and later to the Crimea.
Mr. Thompson's first battle was participated in on the Alma River. He received a slight wound in this engagement. The next conflict between armed men and where they fought like tigers to the death, was at Balaklava, where the brave 600 rode through "the valley of death". ....
"I saw Lord Cardigan with the bugler near his side ride through the gap of fours adjacent to mine. I saw the remnant of the '600' when they returned, but did not see the bugler. I supposed he was killed in the bloody charge. Yet I see by a recent copy of the Denver News that the bugler, Sutherland, * of the light brigade, still lives and resides in Denver. I hope to live to meet him, and talk with him of that trying hour"....
At one time this brave old soldier did guard duty before Gen. Grant's tent. One afternoon the general noticed the military bearing of the guard, and asked him where he had served and received his training. Upon learning that he had served through the Crimea, Gen. Grant walked back and forth with him for a long time listening to his story of that great campaign. Finally, Mr. Thompson told his commander of having seen McClellan ** as a student of war in the Crimea. The general became so interested that he paced up and down with Thompson over an hour. Mr. Thompson soon after was appointed a sergeant.
Jun 28, 1903, The Washington Post
*E.J. Boys Archive - missing
** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_B._McClellan
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LONDON, Jan. 2 - Another Balaklava hero is gone. His name was Job Allwood and he lived at Leamington. According to the current newspaper story, Mr. Allwood not only had the good fortune to escape unhurt in the Balaklava affair, but also to come off unscathed at Sebastopol, where he had two horses shot under him. Without casting any reflections upon the late Mr. Allwood, it certainly is in order to remark that his death is about the ten thousandth recorded of men who helped make up the "noble Six Hundred"
10 Jan, 1904, The New York Times
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Now Mike ... if I could find that " bugler Sutherland " .... I'd be a happy camper !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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New London, Conn., March 15. - William E. Miller *, who claimed to be a survivor of the Light Brigade which made the famous charge at Balaklava, is dead at his residence, in Groton. He was born in Scotland in 1828, and at the age of twenty-four enlisted in the army. He served through the Crimean war, being an aide de camp at Balaclava, and won the Victoria Cross. Afterwards he came to this country and served in the navy during the civil war.
Mar 16, 1904, The New York Times
*E.J. Boys Archive - missing
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A VETERAN OF THE FAMOUS CHARGE LIVES IN DENVER
Denver, Oct. 27 [1894], - Yesterday for the fortieth anniversary of the
famous charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava in 1854, immortalized
in the well known poem, "Forward the Light Brigade." It is not
generally known that in this city lives one if the buglers who sounded
the charge upon that day, and which launched the famous Six-Hundred
into the valley of death.
Alexander Sutherland, now over 85 years of age, but still a well-preserved
man, lives in West Denver. He served in the Light Brigade under Lord
Cardigan through the Crimean war and was one of the few who came back
alive from that terrible charge, of the like of which history has no
record. He came to America after the war and settled in Denver in 1881 (1861?),
having lived here ever since. Though the event of his life is forty years away,
it still affects Mr. Sutherland to tell the story.
It was October 25, 1854. The Russians had captured the guns from the Turks
on the Causeway heights. General SCARLETT, with a heavy cavalry, the Scots
Grays and the Enniskilleners in the front line, had made a brilliant charge,
routing many times their number of Russians. The Light Brigade, near by,
had been simply idle spectators, but they had been eager to join with
SCARLETT's men in their victorious charge. Lord Cardigan had been riding
impatiently up and down the line of his own men, disappointed as well as
envious that he and his soldiers were not participants in the fight.
Here . . began the first blunder, either through the loose orders of his
superiors or the failure of Lord Cardigan to properly interpret their commands.
Lucan had expected that Lord Cardigan with the light cavalry would have
flanked the Russians when General SCARLETT with the heavies was making
his charge.
Mr. SUTHERLAND can tell the story of this charge in a thrilling manner. He
charges that Lord Raglan was to blame for the fearful slaughter that day.
His commands were not plain, and while it was afterwards found that his
intention was to hurl the Light Brigade upon the Causeway heights and
capture the guns the Russians had taken from the Turks, the orders to
Lord Cardigan were not distinct. He was ordered to charge for the guns,
and as he was a soldier he did as he was told, though he knew that someone
had blundered. As to the story of the famous charge. Tennyson has told
it all in his great poem. Out of the 613 men who made the charge into
the valley, only 195 returned, and most of them were wounded. Over 500
horses were lost in the fight. Mr. SUTHERLAND was wounded in the head
and leg, but not seriously.
Mr. SUTHERLAND is an Irishman and came of a fighting family, his father
before him having been in the British army, and was one of the officers
of the guard over Napolean at St. Helenn. Mr. SUTHERLAND is well know
to many people in Denver, but it is not often that he will tell story
of the charge of the Light Brigade.
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/co/elpaso/newspapers/1894oc28.txt
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Will John Sutherland, born abt 1811 suit?
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The Denver Municipal Band is the oldest professional concert band in the continental United States.
The Denver Municipal Band was founded in the late 1860s by Alex Sutherland, bugler at the "Charge of The Light Brigade." Surviving the ordeal, he settled in Denver where he was active in many of the city's early musical activities. Originally constituted as the GAR Post Band, it performed early municipally funded concerts throughout the 1870s and 80s, changing its name to the Denver Municipal Band in 1891 when it began its continuous history of Denver Municipal Funding.
http://www.dmamusic.org/dmb/
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Survivors of Balaklava Swarming
Not long since we published a statement that Thomas Yates, of Toledo, O., was "believed to be" the sole survivor of the heroes of Tennyson's "Charge of the Light Brigade", and immediately afterwards we published a statement of the death of John Sutherland,*in Denver, Colo., who was the bugler in the Light Brigade. Now comes a statement that George H. Baynes **, of Colorado Springs, says that Mr. Sutherland was ninety-four years old when he died, which would make him forty-four years when he sounded the charge, "and we very seldom had a man in the cavalry at that advanced age. If he was in that charge, I have the greatest respect for him, but if he was the last survivor, then I must be a ghost".
The Colorado Springs Gazette says that Mr. Baynes was one of the twenty-eight fortunate ones out of the six hundred brave fellows who charged unflinchingly for a full half mile through a veritable rain of lead. Mr. Haynes was born in the Madras Presidency, in India, in 1836, his father being chief justice of the presidency. His boyhood says were spent in England, where he attended Eton College. His parents secured him a commission as a cornet in a regiment of light dragoons. When the Crimean War broke out he was but eighteen years of age. He served through the war, resigned his commission, and went to Canada and enlisted in the service there; later went to Australia and allied himself with the New Zealand colonists in their struggle with the natives; and more recently he came to the United States, and served in the Sixth Cavalry under General Chaffee.
Also the Courier Journal of Louisville declares that a plasterer living in that city, P.H. Hussey ***, is a survivor. Mr, Hussey was born in London in 1837; entered the army in 1853; when only sixteen years of age. Through nine long month his brigade accompanied the allies and fought with the Light Brigade. He was shot four times at Balaklava; one missile cut away the greater part of this left eyelash; a second struck him in the hand; a third disabled his left shoulder;and the fourth struck him in the right leg. From all these Mr. Hussey has completely recovered. He possesses numerous medals presented for his service in the British Army, and also owns the stripes of a sergeant, to which position he rose from a private. He has numerous papers verifying his claims. In 1855 he came to this country. Nor is this all. The Walton Reporter, of Delaware County, N.Y., states that John Harrison ****, a survivor, is living at Delhi, in that county.
Mar 9, 1905, Christian Advocate
* E.J. Boys Archive - missing
** E.J. Boys Archive - Baynes Pte George 1622 4th LD
*** E.J. Boys Archive - missing
**** E.J. Boys Archive - missing
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Oh my oh my !! :D :D :D :D :D
Look at all these boys !! :D ....... Wendi will be pleased - one in Colorado Springs too !! :)
Luckily I'll be able to have time to look tomorrow and see what I can find out .... how exciting !! ;D
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Alexander Sutherland, said to have been the last survivor of the famous Balaklava "Six Hundred" is dead at his home in Denver, where he had resided for forty years. He was the trumpeter who sounded the bugle call for the charge immortalized by Tennyson.
Nov. 12, 1904, Los Angeles Times
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Hiram Williamson *, one of the immortal six hundred who rode into the "valley of death" at Balaklava in 1854, has been made chief porter at the Boston post-office. He is seventy years of age.
June 15, 1889, The Genesse News
* E.J. Boys Archive - missing
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Mike ! .... how many buglers do we have - that sounded "the charge " ?? ;D ;D ;D
Unless each battalion sounded their own ......... do you think ?? :-\
Annie :)
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Annie, you know, during Soviet times we had a joke about hundreds of people who carried the same log with Lenin during subbotnik in Kremlin ;D
But maybe it was like this?
Posted by: seamike Posted on: Yesterday at 00:56:56
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Storr & Sons of Covent Garden will offer for sale the bugle on which the late Trumpet Major H. Joy, staff trumpeter to Colonel the Earl of Lucan, then in command of cavalry in the Crimea - sounded the order for the gallop and charge on this memorial occasion, the other regimental trumpeters taking up the call from him.
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New York, May 17. - John Kennedy, a prominent contractor of Brooklyn, one of the survivors of the famous charge at Balaklava, is dead from pneumonia. He was born at Belfast in 1835, and served in the Crimean War as a gunner in the Royal Horse Artillery, took part in its greatest battles and after serving fourting years under the British flag came to America, where he amassed a fortune as a contractor and builder.
May 18, 1904, Los Angeles Times
* E.J. Boys Archive - missing
Six Kennedy's in Archive, three lancers, two hussars, one light dragoon, but no gunner from Royal Artillery
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Annie, you know, during Soviet times we had a joke about hundreds of people who carried the same log with Lenin during subbotnik in Kremlin ;D
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Maybe it was like echo "taps" ??
Here's the Order of Battle at the Balaclava campaign
Allied Army ........ The Allied Army consisted of British and French troops as well as Turkish formations under British command.
British Army
Commanded by Field Marshal Lord Raglan.
Cavalry Division - under Lieutenant-General the Earl of Lucan with a total force of 1,500 sabres and 6 field guns.
Heavy Brigade - Brigadier the Hon. James Scarlett
1st (Royal) Regiment of Dragoons (The Royals) - Lt. Col. John Yorke
2nd (Royal North British) Regiment of Dragoons (The Scots Greys) - Lt. Col. Henry Griffith
4th (Royal Irish) Regiment of Dragoon Guards - Lt. Col. Edward Hodge
5th (Princess Charlotte of Wales's) Regiment of Dragoon Guards - Maj. Adolphus Burton
6th (Inskilling) Regiment of Dragoons - Lt. Col. Henry White
Light Brigade - Maj. Gen. the Earl of Cardigan
4th (The Queen's Own) Regiment of Light Dragoons - Lt. Col. Lord George Paget
8th (The King's Royal Irish) Regiment of Hussars - Lt. Col. Frederick Shewell
11th (Prince Albert's Own) Regiment of Hussars - Lt. Col. John Douglas
13th Regiment of Light Dragoons - Capt. John Oldman
17th Regiment of Light Dragoons (Lancers) - Capt. William Morris
1st Infantry Division - Lt. Gen. HRH The Duke of Cambridge with 4,000 men.
Guards Brigade - Maj. Gen. H.J. Bentwick
3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards
1st Battalion Coldstream Guards
1st Battalion Scots Fusiliers Guards
Highland Brigade
42nd Regiment
93rd Regiment
4th Infantry Division - Lt. Gen. Sir George Cathcart with 5,000 men.
1st Brigade - Brigadier T. Goldie
20th Regiment
21st Regiment
57th Regiment
68th Regiment
2nd Brigade - Brigadier A. Torrens
63rd Regiment
46th Regiment
1st Battalion The Rifle Brigade
Balaclava defenses - Maj. Gen. Sir Colin Campbell with 4,000 men and 35 naval and field guns.
Causeway Heights - 3 Turkish battalions plus 9 naval guns.
Kadikoi Area - 93rd Regiment and 1 battalion of Turks
Eastern Heights - 1,200 Marines plus 2 companies from 93rd Regiment.
French Army
Commanded by General François Certain Canrobert.
1st Cavalry Brigade - General d'Allonville with 1,500 sabres.
1e Régiment de Chasseurs d'Afrique
4eme Régiment de Chasseurs d'Afrique
Corps d'Observation - General Pierre Bosquet
1st Brigade - General Espinasse
4e Régiment de Chasseurs
1e Zouaves
7e Régiment de Ligne
2nd Brigade - General Joseph Vinoy with 4,000 men.
9th Régiment de Chasseurs
20th Régiment de Ligne
27th Régiment de Ligne
Russian Army
Commanded by Prince Aleksandr Sergeyevich Menshikov with a total of 25,000 men and 78 guns.
Cavalry - Lt. Gen. Ryzhov with 3,000 sabres and 16 guns.
Kiev Regiment
Ingermanland Regiment
(No.)1 Ural Cossacks
North Column - Col. Skiuderi with 4,000 men and 12 guns.
Odessa Regiment
(No.)53 Don Cossacks
(No.)4 Rifle Battalion (1 company)
Left Center Column - Maj. Gen. Semiakin with 5,000 men and 10 guns.
Azov Regiment
Dnieper Regiment
(No.)4 Rifle Battalion (1 company)
Right Center Column - Maj. Gen. Levutski with 3,000 men and 8 guns.
Ukraine Regiment
South Column - Maj. Gen. Gribbe with 3,000 men and 10 guns
Dnieper Regiment
Composite Uhlan Regiment
Ingermanland Regiment
(No.)60 Don Cossacks
Forward Reserves - Maj. Gen. Zhaboritski with 5,000 men and 10 guns.
Vladimir Regiment
Susdal Regiment
(No.)6 Rifle Battalion
Ingermanland Regiment (two squadrons)
(No.)60 Don Cossacks (two sotnias)
Reserves - total of 2,000 men and 12 guns.
Ukraine Regiment (1 squadron)
(No.)4 Rifle Battalion (1 company)
Composite Uhlan Regiment
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At a recent anniversary and jubilee of the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava, calebrated by a dinner at the Holborn Restaurant, London, twenty-eight of the fourty-seven survivors were present. In general the veterans were in excellent physical condition, although one or two were lame, and one, nearly blind, had to be led to his seat. Among the dishes served to the happy warriors were "Balaklava pudding" and "jelly a la Russe".
Dec 15, 1904, The Youth's Companion
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London, Nov. 14. - Lieut. Col. Arthur Tremayne, * one of the few remaining survivors of the "Charge of the Light Brigade" at Balaklava, in which he was wounded and his horse shot, died in Cornwall to-day at the age of 78.
* E.J. Boys Archive - Tremayne Cpt Arthur 13th LD
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Russian Jelly or Gelee a la Russe
Take one quart of lemon jelly and when cool add two wine glasses of Kirsch liqueur or syrup and one wineglass of brandy divide it into three portions ..... colour one with liquid carmine .... one with a very little sap green and leave the remaining part plain .... whip these seperately till frothy throughout - and when nearly set pour them into any fancy mould that is resting in a little ice in alternate layers, and leave it on ice till ready to serve then dip the mould into warm water, turn out on a dish-paper and serve for a fancy sweet for dinner, luncheon
From A. B. Marshall Larger Cookery Book of Extra Recipes (London - nd 1880s)
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To be Gelee a la Russe, the layers have to come in the following order from top to bottom - plain, blue (not sap green) and carmine
As it is described in Marshall's Cookery Book it looks like Bulgarian Jelly ;D ;D ;D
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A living relic of "The Charge of the Light Brigade" is Thomas Yates, who lives with his family in Litchie flats, Toledo, Ohio, and is eighty-one years old. He was one of the gallant 600 who were trapped in the "Valley of Death" by 30,000 Russians in the battle of Balaklava.
Although that was fifty-two years ago, at least eleven still survive, Yates, a native Scotland, being one of them. The others are Muttard, Campbell, Jones, Bucton, Herbert, Lamb, Whiteman, Bird, Spring, and McKilligan. All except Yates live in England.
Apr. 29, 1906, The Washington Post
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But it was 1880 ::) .... they didn't have "blue " !!
I can't find Balaklava pudding ........ :P ..... only Baklava .... which I LOVE !! :D
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But it was 1880 Roll Eyes .... they didn't have "blue " !!
They had :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Russia
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But it was 1880 Roll Eyes .... they didn't have "blue " !!
They had :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Russia
I meant for jelly !! ;D
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Peas upon a trencher !!
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02xn/
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Lt John Fitzgibbon 8th Hussars
Mrs. Moore had divorced her husband and married Lord Clare, so that it was their second son, Viscount Fitzgibbon who became the legitimate heir.
At the age of twenty five Viscount Fitzgibbon was reported as missing presumed dead at the Charge of the Light Brigade in 1854. There is a curious tale to tell relating to this event ..... although it has never been verified. During the second Afghan War twenty five years after the Charge of the Light Brigade, the Eighth Hussars (Viscount Fitzgibbon's regiment) were stationed in India near the North West frontier.
One night a dishevelled looking man who spoke English, but seemed unaccustomed to doing so, was brought into the Officers' mess. He was invited to stay for dinner where he surprised all by having an uncannily good knowledge of the regimental customs, thereby indicating that he was an ex- officer of that regiment. He was not asked to identify himself, but on examining the regimental records it was discovered that the only ex officer of the Eighth Hussars, whose whereabouts had not been positively accounted for - was Viscount Fitzgibbon.
Rudyard Kipling was intrigued by this tale and used it as a basis for his short story "The Man Who Was", in which a man arrested for gun-stealing and believed to be an Afghan turns out to be an ex-officer who has been a Russian prisoner for many years before escaping and finding his way back to where his regiment was originally stationed.
A statue was erected on Sarsfield Bridge in Limerick in memory of the Viscount but it was blown up in 1930.
http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/Media,3966,en.pdf
Fitzgibbon was the heir of the last Earl of Clare and a Lieutenant in the 8th (King’s Royal Irish) Hussars. He took part in the charge of the Light Brigade against the Russians at Sebastopol (?) was wounded and not found or exchanged afterwards. Other similar examples of soldiers returning after long absences are recorded.
http://www.kipling.org.uk/rg_manwhowas_notes.htm
Hon. John Charles Henry FitzGibbon b. 2 May 1829 d. 25 October 1854 he was the son of Richard Hobart FitzGibbon, 3rd Earl of Clare and Diana Woodcock - he married Frances Murphy in 1854 in a clandestine marriage and he died on 25 October 1854 at age 25 at Balaclava, Russia, killed in action (?)
Hon. John Charles Henry FitzGibbon matriculated at Christ Church, Oxford University, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England, on 21 October 1846
He gained the rank of Lieutenant in the service of the 8th Hussars.
He fought in the Battle of Balaclava
He had one son born posthumously .... William John Gerald FitzGibbon b. 1855
* E.J. Boys Archive - Lt Fitzgibbon John 8th H
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DEATH OF THE EARL OF CLARE - We regret to announce the death of the Earl of Clare who after a protracted illness died on Saturday morning shortly after six o'clock, at his residence at Kensington. The Right Hon. Richard Hobart FITZGIBBON Earl of Clare Viscount Fitzgibbon of Limerick and Baron Fitzgibbon of Lower Connello County Limerick in the peerage of Ireland - also Baron Fitzgibbon of Sudbury, county of Devon, in Great Britain, was the second son of John, first Earl, Lord High Chancellor of Ireland, by Anne, second daughter of Mr. Richard Chapel WHALEY, of Whaley Abbey, county of Wicklow, and was born on the 2nd October, 1793. He married 11th July, 1825, Diana, eldest daughter of Mr. Charles Brydges WOODCOCK, whose former marriage with Mr. Maurice Crosbie MOORE was dissolved in the early part of that year. By his marriage he leaves surviving issue three daughters Lady Florence, married to Lord WODEHOUSE Lady Louisa, Married to the Hon. Herald Normanby DILLON and Lady Elinor, married to Mr. Francis Henry CAVENDISH. The only son of the late earl, John Charles Henry, Viscount Fitzgibbon, a lieutenant in the 8th Hussars born in May 1829 was killed at the battle of Balaklava, in October, 1854. In default of male issue the title becomes extinct.
Cavan Observer January 16, 1864
( Phew ... thats an involved family ! :-\ )
http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Cavan/1864/JAN.html
THE CLAIM TO A PEERAGE.
One or two reports having gained currency to the effect that Lord FITZGIBBON who was supposed to have been killed in the Balaclava charge, had returned to England, he not having been shot dead, but taken prisoner, and, for an assault on a Russian officer, sent to Siberia. It has also been stated that since his return he had paid a visit to the Hounslow Barracks, where his regiment, the 8th Hussars, is stationed, and that Colonel MUSSENDEN and Quartermaster-Sergeant-Major HEFFERON (formerly Lord Fitzgibbon's servant) had identified him. This week inquiries have been made as to the truth of the statement relating to the visit to the barracks, and the reply was that no person representing himself as heir to the title of Lord Clare had been there. Moreover, Quartermaster-Sergeant-Major Hefferon and the late Trumpet-Major GRAY, who were in the C troop of the 8th Hussars when Lord Fitzgibbon took the place of Lord CARDIGAN's aide de camp (Captain LOCKWOOD), and led the troops down to the ever memorial charge, say they were close to him when, not long after the commencement of the charge, they saw him struck in the chest almost at the same moment by two bullets and they distinctly recollect his losing hold of his sword (which was prevented from falling to the ground by a strap which secured it to his arm), violently clasping his arms on his breast, and crying out - "Oh, my god, my God, I'm shot!" With what they believe to have been his dying breath, he exhorted his men not to linger, saying to them, "Go on." Thus everyone believed him to have died the death of a hero. He had ?25 in cash - which was part of ?50 served out on the morning of the charge for the C troop. It may be added that when the soldiers came back Trumpet-Major Gray and several others searched for his body, but it was never found. If Lord Fitzgibbon is really in this country, as alleged, the officers and men of the 8th Hussars who knew him wish to know why he has been so backward in calling upon them.
Cavan Weekly News
November 30, 1877
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LONDON, Jan. 2 - Another Balaklava hero is gone. His name was Job Allwood and he lived at Leamington. According to the current newspaper story, Mr. Allwood not only had the good fortune to escape unhurt in the Balaklava affair, but also to come off unscathed at Sebastopol, where he had two horses shot under him. Without casting any reflections upon the late Mr. Allwood, it certainly is in order to remark that his death is about the ten thousandth recorded of men who helped make up the "noble Six Hundred"
10 Jan, 1904, The New York Times
Poor Job ! ... God love him .... he's right here !!
http://www.chargeofthelightbrigade.com/allmen/allmenA/allmenA_13LD/allwood_j_1534_13LD/allwood_j_1534_13LD.html
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I have had a request to lock down this posting as it is getting to big ??? :(
What do you lot think?
I say not a cat-in-hell's-chance ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It is a fantastic read and big pats on the backs of the contributors ;D
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There were 600 hundred of them. We recalled only one sixth of names.
Each time we recall their names, we prolong their post-mortem life. Can you hear the Bugle?
P.S. And we have not started the opposite, Russian side yet. ;D
Mike
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Oh Lordy .... if we have to start on the Russians - we'll have to find a good translator then !! ...
I don't think Babelfish could handle it !! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
We'll just keep on going till you give us a Part 2 page Ken !! I love looking for this stuff !! ;D
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And how many horses so far.............. ;D ;D ;D
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I thought YOU were counting Phil !!
Well I was going to add that .... we also have the Navy !! when I came across this story ... that made me more than a little breathless ! What a story this is ........
Edward St. John Daniel ........ The First man to have his Victoria Cross Forfeited
Edward St John Daniel's story was a personal tragedy, of a young man whose naval career began with the brightest of hopes and highest courage and ended with dismissal with dishonour.
He first joined Peel on HMS Diamond when she was commissioned in 1853 and went with her to the Crimea and landed with Peel and the Naval Brigade. He along with Evelyn Wood of HMS Queen became ADC's to Peel. He was with Peel when he performed the three acts of gallantry that earned Peel his VC, including when Peel was wounded on the glacis of the Redan it was he who tied a tourniquet on his arm and brought him back whilst exposed to very heavy Russian fire. For his gallantry on these occasions Daniel was awarded the VC in the first list of 24th February 1857.
Things went well, at first, he was formerly invested with his VC in September 1859 where he shook hands with the Queen who was "much impressed by him." He was promoted to Lieutenant on 24th April 1860. However drinking too freely was to blight Daniel's career. Possibly Peel had been a father figure to him and Peel's death deprived him of the psychological support and encouragement he needed so desperately.
But the shadows were already closing around Daniel. In May 1860 he was severely reprimanded for twice being absent without leave. On 9th June when his ship was in the English Channel he failed to turn out for his middle watch, and was found in his cabin "in a state of torpor". He was court-martialled, pleading guilty to the charge of drunkenness. In extenuation he told the court of his experiences in the Crimean winter and the heat of India. He produced testimonials from past Captains and showed the court his VC and other decorations. The court were duly impressed and taking into account his gallantry in the face of the enemy, sentenced Daniel "only to dismissal from his ship" and to have his name placed at the bottom of the list of lieutenants. As he had only been a lieutenant for nine months he only had a little way to fall.
But he was soon to fall much further, on 21st June 1861 he was placed under arrest for what his captain described as "taking indecent liberties with four of his subordinate officer's". Going to his court-martial in Corfu at about 10pm on the 27th, the Master at Arms found that he was missing from the ship. So on the 28th, Daniel was formerly marked on the ship's papers as RUN. Normally it would be at least two weeks before this would be done, so it was assumed he was not coming back.
By failing to surrender to his trial, Daniel had undoubtedly saved the Navy some embarrassment. The trial of a VC hero of the Crimea, one of Captain Peel's young men on charges of indecent assault and desertion would have caused a major scandal. On 4th September 1861, the Queen, who had awarded Daniel his cross and shaken his hand, issued a Royal Warrant that made Daniel the first man to have his name erased from the VC roll.
http://www.rogersstudy.co.uk/peel/esj_daniel.html
Now read the fascinating story below !
Edward St John DANIEL, VC
http://www.mdani.demon.co.uk/esjd/
Edward St John Daniel found his way to Melbourne where he enlisted for the Maori Wars and was with the NZ Police when he died of DTs- he was buried in Grave No. 851, Block 27, Hokitika Cemetery. News of his death was published in the Bristol Times and Mirror on 1st August 1868. No mention was made of the forfeiture of his VC nor of his exile in Australia and New Zealand.
In July 1971, concern was expressed over the overgrown state of Daniel's unmarked grave in Hokitika Municipal Cemetery. As a result, the Hokitika-Westland branch of the NZ Returned Services Association (equivalent to the British Legion) made representations to the local Borough Council. The grave lay in a remote part of the cemetery that was due to be bulldozed and closed off, being very close to an eroding cliff. A suggestion that the body be exhumed and reburied in another area was rejected in favour of a granite memorial plaque in the Returned Services portion of the cemetery. This plaque, which was eventually erected the following year, at a cost of 75 New Zealand dollars, reads simply:
In Memory Of
EDWARD ST JOHN DANIEL V.C.
OF BRISTOL, ENGLAND
DIED HOKITIKA 20th MAY 1868
AGED 31 YEARS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_St_John_Daniel
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Heres some interesting Irish statistics ..... but I'm not so sure about the Russian casualties ! :-\
There were in fact 673 men in the Light Brigade of whom 114, or nearly 20%, were Irish. During the charge 118 (including 21 Irish) were killed, 127 (including 16 Irish) were wounded and 45 (including 7 Irish) were taken prisoner by the Russians. Some 360 horses were also killed. Of the Light Brigade's five regiments, the Royal Irish Hussars had the most Irishmen - after returning from the Crimea in 1856 they were based in Dundalk.
All four British leaders at Balaclava had Irish connections
Irish involvement in the Crimea was not, of course, confined to the Light Brigade's charge, which had no effect on the War. In his excellent work, Ireland and the Crimean War, the historian David Murphy reckons that of 111,000 men who fought in Britain's Crimean army, over 37,000, or one-third, were Irish, of whom some 7,000 were killed. About 4,000 more Irishmen served there in the British navy. The newly introduced Victoria Cross was awarded to 28 Irishmen in the Crimea, Sgt later General - Sir Luke O'Connor from Elphin, Co Roscommon, winning the first ever VC in 1857.
Over 100 Irishmen served as British army surgeons - and some 33 Irish Sisters of Mercy and Sisters of Charity went as nurses. Florence Nightingale visited the Mercy Sisters in Dublin in 1852, when she considered becoming a Catholic and joining their order. Eight Irish priests went as chaplains to the Crimea, where three of them died.
Irishmen also served in other armies in the Crimea, most of them with the French. The best known were General (later Marshal) MacMahon, who became President of France - Wexford-born General Sutton, Count of Clonard - and General O'Malley. Among those in the Turkish army were General Coleman, who left Ireland after the 1848 rising - Major John Bernard from Co Offaly - and Major Richard Guyon, a Clareman.
Nearly 650,000 men died in the War - 21,000 British and Irish, 95,000 French and 530,000 Russians, 76% from diseases. The bloodiest conflict between the Napoleonic and First World Wars - it was the first to see the use of trenches and breech-loading rifles.
http://www.catholicireland.net/pages/index.php?nd=57&art=639
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The same day ...........
Following success at Alma the British, French and Turkish forces proceeded to besiege Sebastopol. South of Sebastopol is the small port of Balaclava where the British established a supply base.
On 25 October four Russian columns attacked Balaclava in force. Three Russian battalions under General Gribbe seized the village of Kamara while a second column of five battalions under General Semiakin assaulted Canrobert's Hill. Kamara and Canrobert's Hill were defended by Turkish troops who although outnumbered, resisted stubbornly and with great gallantry until they lost a third of their men - they then retreated towards Balaclava's harbour.
The Balaclava plain was split from left to right by the Causeway Heights along which ran the Woronzov Road. Six redoubts were positioned on the Causeway Heights and were manned by Turkish troops. These troops, demoralised by the retreat from Kamara and Canrobert's Hill, fled when the Russians turned their artillery on the redoubts, the objectives of General Levontski's and Colonel Scuderi's columns. The 12-pounders in the redoubts were spiked by their British gunners before the Russians occupied four of the positions.
Only the British Cavalry Division and the 93rd Highlanders stood between the Russians and Balaclava. Following the Russian infantry was the main body of Russian cavalry which moved from the North Valley over the Causeway Heights into the South Valley towards the town of Balaclava. In direct line between the Russians and Balaclava, under the command of Sir Colin Campbell stood 700 troops including 550 Highlanders of the 93rd Regiment (Sutherland Highlanders).
Four Russian squadrons split from the main body of Russian cavalry and were seen to wheel towards Balaclava. Campbell ordered his men to line up on the crest of a hillock in what history knows as the "Thin Red Line". At 500 meters the Highlanders fired, a second volley was fired at 300 yards and a third at 150 meters. The Russian formation broke and wheeled back towards the Causeway.
Lord Lucan, the commander of the Cavalry Division sent the Heavy Brigade of 800 men under Brigadier General Scarlett to support Campbell. Scarlett was 55 years old and had seen no active service prior to Crimea. However, he did not discount the value of active service and had selected as aide-de-camp Captain Alexander Elliott who had seen active service in India with the 8th Bengal Calvary.
The main body of General Rykoff's Russian cavalry of about 3000 men in blue and silver uniforms came into view on the skyline as the Heavy Cavalry moved into position. Because of the nature of the terrain, Scarlett's Brigade was moving in two irregularly spaced columns. Scarlett was leading the two squadrons of Scots Greys and a squadron of Inniskilling Dragoons. To their right was another squadron of Inniskilling Dragoons and the 5th Dragoons. In reserve, in the rear were the 4th Dragoons.
The Russians had the advantage of both higher ground and superior numbers, but Lord Lucan ordered Scarlett to immediately attack. Before ordering the attack, Scaflett first aligned his squadrons. Instead of charging down and engulfing the Heavy Cavalry, the Russians halted and watched the British preparations. Having completed his unhurried preparations, Scarlett then gave the order to advance.
The Heavy Cavalry charged towards the Russians. Scarlett with Captain Elliott and two troopers was fifty metres in the lead of his column of 300 sabres. The Scots Greys and Inniskilling Dragoons smashed into the Russian ranks and cut and slashed their way through. The 5th Dragoons attacked the Russian centre and Lord Lucan ordered the 4th Dragoons, from reserve, to attack the Russian flank. As the flank attack came in, the Scots Greys and the Inniskillings emerged from the chaos and eight minutes after it all began the Russians reeled, broke up and turned to scatter in complete disorder.
The casualties on both sides were surprisingly light, the British suffering about 80, the Russians about 200. The congestion, blunt sabres and thick grey coats worn by the Russians contributed to a small toll but the moral effect was great. The Heavy Brigade had won a clean-cut and important victory. The triumph could have been greater if the Light Brigade had followed up the retreating Russians. However, Lord Cardigan, the commander of the Light Brigade, despite pleas from his subordinate, refused to move from where he had been ordered to remain. Instead of exploiting the Heavy Cavalry's success, Lord Cardigan allowed the opportunity to slip away. Later that day, Lord Cardigan refused to question an ambiguous order and the Light Brigade, made its famous but catastrophic and futile charge.
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Слава ли их померкнет?
Вызов бросивших смерти!
Что был мир потрясён.
Той безумной атакой,
Дерзостью Лёгкой Бригады,
Доблестью тех шести сот.
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When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honor the charge they made,
Honor the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred.
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Lieutenant-General the Lord Raglan commanded the British Army and General François Certain Canrobert commanded the French Army. Prince Aleksandr Sergeyevich Menshikov commanded the Russian Army, while the Russian assault on Balaclava was commanded by General Pavel Liprandi, Menshikov's second in command.
The Russian attack was led by General Liprandi with four columns of infantry that crossed the Chernaya River an hour before sunrise. Major General Gribbe led three battalions of the Dnieper Regiment, a regiment of Uhlans, a sotnia of Cossacks and ten guns to seize Kamara to protect the left flank. In the center the assault on Canrobert's Hill was led by General Semiakin with five battalions. This was subdivided into two columns — General Scuderi had the Odessa Infantry Regiment and six guns and General Rykoff had a cavalry brigade, the Ural Infantry Regiment, and two horse artillery batteries. To his right General Levontski had three battalions of the Ukraine Infantry Regiment and ten guns and General Semiakin had the Azov Infantry Regiment, the Dnieper Chasseurs, and sixteen guns for the attack on Redoubt #2. The cavalry followed the infantry in support. On the Russian right was the 1st Brigade of the 16th Infantry Division with three battalions of the Vladimir Regiment, four battalions of the Suzdal Regiment and fourteen guns under General Jabokritski. These were stationed on the Fedukhine Hills to protect the Russian right flank.
One of the officers who was taken prisoner other prisoners that the Russian troops that attacked Balaklava on the 25th were under the command of General Liprandi, and consisted of 17,000 infantry, 5000 cavalry (of whom 2000 were Cossacks, the remainder being regulars), and 62 guns, of which 20 were guns of position. He said that he understood their loss was one General wounded, and 25 other officers, besides about 550 men, killed and wounded.
On October 29th Captain Fellowes went again with a flag of truce to the outposts of the Russians in the valley of Balaklava. He was immediately met by an officer who gave him a letter from General Liprandi in reply to Lord Lucan’s of the day before; from which it appeared that they have only two English officers prisoners, namely, Lieutenant Chadwick, adjutant 17th Lancers, and Cornet Clowes of the 8th Hussars, both severely wounded - the former speared in the neck, and the latter in the back. Both had their horses shot under them, and it was in attempting to return to our lines that they were pursued by Cossacks, and wounded in the manner I have described. Several other wounded officers had been brought in to the Russian camp after the action of the 25th, but none had survived through the night. They had also from 30 to 40 men prisoners, the majority of whom were wounded. There was also a Piedmontese officer of the Sardinian army taken prisoner. He was one of several officers sent by his government, and attached to the Headquarters of the French army, and, having come with the French Staff on the 25th, foolishly joined in the charge of our Light Cavalry, had his horse killed under him, and was himself badly wounded. The Russian officer brought also a letter from Clowes to a brother officer of his regiment, in which he stated that they were very kindly treated, and received every attention and comfort that circumstances would admit, and that they were to leave for Simferopol that evening, to which place most of the other prisoners had already been taken.
http://crimeantexts.russianwar.co.uk/sources/calthorp/c____d.html
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Wish I could read the Russian Biographical Dictionary !! :P :P translation isn't quite right !! :-\
General Pavel Liprandi born died 1864
http://george-orden.nm.ru/Port/sliprandi_pp.html
In Liprandi in 1848 was made lieutenant-general and appointed Chief of Staff Grenaderskogo corps, with admission on Guard Infantry, and a master of Staff and the lists Semenovski Life Guards regiment.
With the announcement of the military in 1849 hike in Hungary Chief Earl Paskiewicz proposed Liprandi command 12 - th Infantry Division, which participated in the past and hostilities. When the war started in the East, has been appointed head Liprandi Malo-Valahskogo detachment as a cover for right-wing South armies and safety Male Walachia. Near enhanced reconnaissance, and then all of the offensive squad and occupation of the village with a battle Chepurchei Liprandi put an end to all of the Turks proiskam Kalafata (Order of the White Eagle with swords).
Of Bessarabia Division Liprandi dvinuta was forced march to the Crimea. Sovereign Chief Liprandi recommended in the following terms: "The Liprandi can designate a separate detachment, and it can be safely rely on as an experienced general". Liprandi has been quick to justify this recommendation highest in the first independently vedennom Affairs under Balaklava during which he was wounded in the leg by shrapnel grenades, but stayed in line. Then Liprandi participated in battles at Inkerman and Chyornaya River.
In Liprandi received in 1855 in command of an infantry VI Corps, but in 1856 took indefinite leave. Having been in in 1858 with hereditary. Efimevo Nizhny Novgorod province, and became the landlord, Liprandi immediately released to the will of its peasants to the land.
K in 1859, at the personal wish of Sovereign, Liprandi II took command of the infantry corps, located in the Polish kingdom, but at 1860 g, as a result of disagreement with the views regent Earl Lambert, was appointed a member of the military council, and in 1862 - the inspector troops.
Died in 1864 buried in St. Petersburg on Mitrofanevskom cemetery
http://xenophon-mil.org/crimea/war/balaklava/balakrus.htm
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02y5/
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Prince Aleksandr Sergeyevich Menshikov (August 26, 1787 — May 1, 1869
was a Russian military commander and statesman of high nobility. He was made adjutant general in 1817 and admiral in 1833.
In 1853 Menshikov was sent on a special mission to Constantinople, and when the Crimean War broke out he was appointed commander-in-chief by land and sea. He commanded the Russian army at the Alma and Inkerman and showed incompetence and lack of military talent. On February 15, 1855, Menshikov was removed from command, and replaced by Prince Mikhail Dmitrievich Gorchakov. Between December of 1855 and April of 1856, he held the post of Governor General of Kronstadt and then retired.
He died in St. Petersburg.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Sergeyevich_Menshikov
* his picture here - reply # 65
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,286323.60.html
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Prince Mikhail Dmitrievich Gorchakov 1792 – 18 May 1861 Warsaw
was a Russian general of artillery and a Namestnik of Kingdom of Poland from 1856 until his death.
In 1855 Gorchakov was appointed commander-in-chief of the Russian forces in the Crimea in place of the disgraced Prince Menshikov. Gorchakov's defence of Sevastopol, and final retreat to the northern part of the town, which he continued to defend till peace was signed in Paris, were conducted with lack of energy. In 1856 he was appointed namestnik of Kingdom of Poland in succession to Prince Paskevich.
He died at Warsaw on May 30, 1861, and was buried, in accordance with his own wish, at Sevastopol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Dmitrievich_Gorchakov
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Here's somebody familiar !! :D
Count Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy (Leo Tolstoy ) Born August 28 1828 Yasnaya Polyana, Russian Empire
In his battery Tolstoy lived the rather easy and unoccupied life of a noble officer of means. He had much spare time, and most of it was spent in hunting. In the little fighting he saw, he did very well. In 1854 he received his commission and was, at his request, transferred to the army operating against the Turks in Wallachia, where he took part in the siege of Silistra (located in North-Eastern Bulgaria). In November of the same year he joined the garrison of Sevastopol. There he saw some of the most serious fighting of the century. He took part in the defence of the famous Fourth Bastion and in the Battle of Chernaya River, the bad management of which he satirized in a humorous song, the only piece of verse he is known to have written.
Died November 20, 1910 (aged 82) Astapovo, Russian Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy
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Francois Certain Canrobert b. June 27 1809 - d. January 28 1895
He was born at Saint-Céré (Lot) and educated at St.Cyr - he received a commission as sub-lieutenant in 1828, becoming lieutenant in 1833.In the Crimean War he commanded a division at the Battle of Alma, where he was twice wounded. He held a dormant commission entitling him to command in case of St Arnaud's death, and he thus succeeded to the chief command of the French army a few days after the battle. He was slightly wounded and had a horse killed under him at Inkerman, when leading a charge of Zouaves. Disagreements with the British commander-in-chief and, in general, the disappointments due to the prolongation of the siege of Sevastopol led to his resignation of the command, but he did not return to France, preferring to serve as chief of his old division almost up to the fall of Sevastopol.
He died at Paris and received a public funeral
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02y9/
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/13600
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Pierre Francois Joseph Bosquet b. 8 November 1810 - d. 5 February 1861
Pierre François Joseph Bosquet served as General during the conquest of Algeria and the Crimean War, returning from Crimea he was made Marshal of France and senator. Bosquet was amongst the earliest chosen to serve in the Crimean War, and at the Battle of Alma his division led the French attack. When the Anglo-French troops formed the siege of Sevastopol, Bosquet's corps of two divisions protected them against interruption. His timely intervention at the Battle of Inkerman (5 November 1854) secured the victory for the allies. At the age of forty-five Bosquet, now one of the foremost soldiers in Europe, became a senator and a marshal of France, but his health was broken, and he lived only a few years longer. He was awarded the Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath, the Grand Cross of the Légion d'honneur and Order of the Medjidieh 1st Class.
Place of birth - Mont-de-Marsan Place of death - Pau Allegiance France
Bosquet uttered the memorable line, referring to the Charge of the Light Brigade, C’est magnifique, mais ce n’est pas la guerre ("It is magnificent, but it is not war").
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Major General Sir Luke O'Connor VC, KCB
Luke O'Connor was born in Elphine, in the county of Roscommon, Ireland on 20th February 1831. In 1849, aged 18, O'Connor enlisted as a Private with the 23rd Regiment of Foot of the Royal Welch Fusiliers.
Within eight months O'Connor had been promoted to the rank of Corporal, and within another 12 months (May 1851) was made a Sergeant. His dedication to the Army was such that O'Connor never married and had no children. By 1858 O'Connor was a Captain, and in 1880, aged 49, he was promoted to Lieutenant Colonel of the 23rd Regiment of Foot.
O'Connor is one of the most decorated servicemen. His only award for gallantry, though, was the VC, which he received for outstanding bravery at the Battle of Alma, 1854, during the Crimea War, and at the assault on the Redan, also during the Crimean War, in 1855.
Major General Sir Luke O'Connor VC, KCB died Charges Street, London 1 February 1915. Grave/Memorial St Mary's (RC) cemetery Kensal Rise, London.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02ya/
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=8488348
http://www.gtj.org.uk/en/item1/25346
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hi annie, SJT/MAJ EDWIN HUGHES SORRY FOR THE DELAY,
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Hi Tony !
Thank you so much ... that's wonderful !! ;D ;D ;D ( and tell that boy of yours "thank you " too ! ) ;D
I was thinking of you today .... I was reading about a VC holder from Blackpool !
Thanks again for going to the trouble !
Annie :)
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no problem annie ,my boy his 38 but still a little kid ;D but i will pass on your thanks, could you pm me the info on the
vc from blackpool please i did not know we had one. tony
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Here's the link to Part 2 !!!!! ;D ;D ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,291558.0.html
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My 'ed erts ??? http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,291558.msg17
43003.html#msg1743003
Ken I thought you'd locked this down :-*
Wendi :)
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Dear Annie:
I think the only thing I have read, that is not in my book, is much of the life of John Richardson which can be found in "Forgotten Heroes: The Charge of the Light Brigade" by Roy Dutton, recently published. It is the best book on the men of the Light Brigade who charged or may have charged in existence and if any of this group are interested in the Light Brigade, copies are not too expensive and are available at Amazon.com and almost any online bookseller. If you want to know who rode in the Charge, I have a pretty complete list at my website at lawrencecrider.com as a downloadable PDF file. Please forgive my not reading all the posts at this time, but I am editing a journal and the final copy must be sent tomorrow night . . .
Re: first names: I will try to add the entries on each that I have in my book:
(I list them by the rank they held the day of the Charge, if they were in the Crimea)
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Note: There were 3 John Richardsons serving in the 11th Hussars in the Crimea at the time. Regt No. 1567 was the one who rode in the Charge.
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Lawrence ... I'm delighted to see you .... welcome to RootsChat :) :) :) :)!
Thank you for your input .... I realise you're a busy man ... but don't forget Part 2 !! ;D ;D ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,291558.0.html
Come back and see us when you can relax for a few minutes !!
Annie :) :)
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Annie:
You have started something that is absolutely excellent. Will return when I have time.
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Have a great night !
Annie :)
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Edit .... sorry I put this on the wrong thread !! ::)
As my Dad is at Widnes cemetery ... I thought I would look for Thomas Wright !! :)
Widnes has been home to many old soldiers, but few were more distinguished than Private Thomas Wright........ He took part in the famous charge of the Light Brigade, and this year is the 100th anniversary of his death.
Gordon Barker's grandmother was Private Wright's cousin, and Gordon now possesses the few remaining items that tell his story.
Private Thomas Wright was born in Warrington on December 3, 1830, and in 1851 enlisted in the 17th Lancers, 'The Death or Glory Boys'.
At the Battle of Balaclava during the Crimean War the British cavalry of the Light Brigade, including the 17th Lancers were ordered to retake the Causeway Heights from the Russians.
The 673 men were cut down by artillery and musket fire and only 195 men escaped unscathed. From the 17th Lancers, only 35 out of 145 of them made it back. French soldier General Bosquet commented: "It's magnificent, but it is not war."
After campaigning in the Indian Mutiny and in numerous other battles in the Crimean war, Private Wright returned home and eventually settled at 1 Luton Street in 1896.
He worked for a time as a night watchman at the Widnes Corporation, the forerunner of Halton Borough Council.
After his death in May 1902 a special head stone was unveiled, and there was a service in 1954 to celebrate the centenary of the battle.
Gordon,of Ganton Close in Farnworth, said: "I will pass these books and medals on to my grandchildren, not because they are valuable, but because they are a bit of history.
"It's just nice to know someone in your family was associated with such a historical event."
http://archive.messengernewspapers.co.uk/2002/6/26/193496.html
Can't find a picture of the headstone yet - but heres the cemetery .....