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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Drop Bear on Friday 15 February 08 09:40 GMT (UK)
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Hello there. I am doing my family tree (Baxter & Farrell). I am the only member of my family born in Australia, which makes it difficult to visit actual places.
Most of my immediate family came from Motherwell & Wishaw. I have hit a brick wall with my Great Great Grandparents. My GGGrandmother lived and died in Motherwell. My problem is I cannot find any trace of my GGGrandfather beyond the 1901 census. My thought is that my GGGrandmothers headstone may hold some vital clues, she died in 1948. Could anyone give some advice on perhaps how to find out where they were buried (I have a death certificate). Any advise would be very much appreciated as I do not have any known relatives that I am aware of in the area to help.
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Hi Drop Bear,
Welcome to Roots Chat, I have no doubt some of the Roots Chatters in Lanarkshire will be able to assist you. If you give full names, this can help. Also, if you have death certificate can you give address etc. Good luck withyour search.
Tom
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Thank you Tom,
My GGGrandmothers name is Mary Farrell, widow of Peter Farrell. She died 13th July, 1948 aged 70 at 29 Hetherwood Road, Motherwell. Her father was Edward Fagan & her mother was Bridget Smith. Her death was registered in Motherwell 30th July, 1948 by her son Patrick.
Regards,
Liz
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If she died in Motherwell, I'd say she was most probably buried in Airbles Cemetery.
You can try emailing the Cemetery Admin Assistant
Grounds Maintenance, Burial Grounds and Cemeteries, giving details of name, place and date of death, they are usually very helpful.
cscemeteriesservices AT northlan.gov.uk
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Probably will be Airbles Cemetery but possibly St Patricks RC cemetery.
I think the address should be Netherwood Road which is in the Muirhouse area of Motherwell
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Their marriage record from SP shows that they married in the RC Cathedral in Motherwell on 2 Jan 1900. Peter was 22 and Mary 21
Mary's parents were Edward Fagan and Bridget Smith (dec)
Peters parents were Patrick Farrell and Ann ????????
Witnesses were Anthony Farrell and Bridget Fagan
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Thank you all very much for your help. I don't feel so alone now when someone else helps. I will contact Airbles Cemetery Admin immediately. I do have the marriage certificate, death certificate and 1901 census. I need to find out what happened to Peter Farrell that is why I thought Mary's headstone might have a clue. Family rumour has it that he went to New York and was murdered on the Staton ISland Ferry. He was supposedly cremated there and his ashes sent back to Mary in Motherwell. He was alive in 1923 when his eldest daughter Bridget married, but was deceaased in 1935. My thought is to work with the information I do have and see where that leads me.
Again, thank you all :) :)
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Why not post on the U.S. board for info on Peter
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Unless I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing, I have been trying for seven years. I even wrote to the New York City Police Commssioner and got I lovely letter back saying they would be glad to help, but need more information. The problems I ran into were that there a lots & lots & lots of Farrells that went to America. I have tried the Ellis Island records with no matches. I do believe that there is always one in every family that no-one knows anything about and that's always the one that we want to know about. I have no idea why he went over there. I do know that he was Irish and he was a booky, so he was probably up to something dodgy. But then again I am only going on family heresay.>:( ???
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On his marriage record he is a Plasterers Labourer. Had he left the family to go and live in America? If so who would arrange for his ashes to be sent home?
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He didn't leave the family as such as in divorce or anything, I believe his brother Anthony lived there although the only record I have of Anthony is that he was a witness to Peter & Marys wedding in 1900 in Motherwell. Once again I stumbled with so many common names looking for Anthony I cannot decipher who is the correct one. His wife apparently arranged for the ashes to be sent "home" to Scotland. Good one, now you have me thinking down another avenue. (I suppose that's good for the brain).
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Possible marriage record for Anthony
1905 FARRELL ANTHONY married POWELL SARAH DALZIEL /LANARK
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Why didn't I think of doing that >:( >:( >:( O.K. I'm off to Scotlands People to look into that one. I just rang my mother to find out if she knew who Anthony married but she only met him the once and he had a son with him. So I can also look into that because if I have the sons name I may be better able to search the Ellis Island records. She believes Peter went over to New York perhaps Queens to work with Anthony who had a Used Car business. Oh it just gets better a booky & a used car salesman. Thank you SOOOOO much for your help a fresh outlook may just be what I need.
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If you get any info on what cemetery Mary Farrell is in let me know. I live quite near Airbles and not too far from St Patricks
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Anthony may have called his first son after his father Patrick
1907 FARRELL PATRICK M DALZIEL /LANARK 639/00 1585
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Firstly, a big thank you sancti ;D ;D I will certainly keep you in mind with the cemetary search. (I do hope you don't change your mind).
That marriage of Anthony to Sarah Powell is him. I also got one of their childrens birth certificates. I then went to the Ellis Island thingy. I have Sarah, three of her children & her sister arriving in New York 5th August 1912. Anthony was already there at 726 10th Avenue, New York. I could find no ship records of Anthony going over and the ship manifests also stated that Sarah & her sister had been to New York before but again no other records.
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Hi Drop Bear,
I have one thought for you on finding records for America. Did you try searching for a crossing through Canada. It was alot easier ( as in you didn't need alot of documentation ).
Also, I am researching the Farrell line. I have a Peter Farrell b. circa 1830 d. 1886. He married a Mary McPoland b. circa 1846 d. 1924.
On the 1901 Scotland Census , Mary McPoland Farrell was living on 174 Brandon St, Motherwell
Occupants in the house were :
Patrick Farrell b. Ireland age 20 - listed as other relative
Teresa Catherine b. Ireland age 21 , daughter
Francis Joseph b. Glasgow age 19 , son
Willie Charles b. Glasgow age 16 , son
Anthony Farrell b. Ireland age 22 , listed as other relative
I assume Anthony and Patrick are nieces and nephews . Could these be your Anthony and Patrick ?
Megan
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Just to drop into the Farrells, I don't suppose either of you have a Michael Farrell (b. approx 1842 Ireland) with wife Albertine , children include Walter (b. Glasgow), Alexander and Ada (born just before the 1891 census in Brighton) in your tree anywhere? They seemed to shuttle between Scotland, Ireland and England for their childrens births but I lose them after the 1891. I've asked about them on the US board but they didn't seem to go there.
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Hi Madpants,
I haven't found a Michael yet in the Farrell line. But I have only found one brother so far for Peter Farrell, a Terrence Farrell , who signed his brother death registry in Scotland .
I am sure he had other brothers and sisters. But nothing so far.
Sorry,
Megan
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Thanks ;D
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Hi Megan,
The Anthony Farrell on the 1901 census that is the relative IS my Great Great Grandfathers brother. Are you researching because you are related or is it general resaerch.
Liz
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Hi Madpants,
I only have one Michael, but he was born in the early 1900's in Motherwell and he married a Margaret Coulter. Funny that, it's problably one of the only names that doesn't come up in my family tree hundreds of times like all the others.
Liz
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Hi Liz,
Peter Farrell and Mary McPoland are my gg grandparents. Peter was married for 3 x's . Mary McPoland was his third and final wife.
I do not have any other information on Anthony or Patrick , but maybe we can exchange our trees and put the pieces together.
The funny thing is that I had just made contact with the Farrells that still live in Scotland. My american line had lost contact with them in the 1950's.
If you want to exchang trees pm me.
Megan
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Liz,
Here is a little background on my tree-
Peter Farrell b. c 1830 in Ireland d. 1886 in Scotland
son of Patrick Farrell and Ann Devlin
his mother remarried after Patrick's death to a Luke Flood in Glasgow 1851
Ann Devlin Farrell Flood dies 1861 in Glasgow
Peter Farrell's first marriage was a Martha Kelly ( no information yet )
she dies.
Second marriage was a Hannah McCormick on 2 Jan 1871 in Clyde, Glasgow
they have at least 2 children, then she dies.
Peter then marries a Mary McPoland ( my gg grandmother )
They were married in Bainbridge Co . Down on19 Aug 1878
They have three children before Peter dies 14 Apr 1886. I have the rest of the family done all the way down to present day.
Let me know if any of this helps, I guess your Anthony and Patrick were cousins , staying on 174 Brandon St, Motherwell.
Megan
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Hi Liz,
I can't really add anything to this apart from remembering Mick Farrell and his wife Meg coulter. They lived in Hope Street I think, just along from the Masonic hall in Motherwell. (Or else it was Pollock St)
Meg had a small "Jenny-a'-thing" shop in Milton St at the County Corner, next door to the Milton Vaults public house.
I was at school with their son James. We always had to be nice to him because his mother had a Sweetie Shop!! I think there was another son called Peter who ran a carpet business. There was a daughter who used to do the Irish dancing, but I forget her name now. (Kathleen or Catherine?)
Mick died many years ago, Meg moved to Pather in Wishaw but I'm sure she must have passed away by now.
She was always known as Meg coulter, I never heard her being called Mrs Farrell by an adult, although we kids had to call her that.
Lodger.
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Thank you Lodger, I will get back to you on that as I have to ask my mother as they were her Aunt and Uncle. I have a note in my family tree "BOOK" where I jot things down and I have her as being called Meg. Looking good so far.
Liz
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Thank you so much for your input Lodger. ;D ;D ;D That was definately my Mum's Aunt & Uncle. You have provided me with some of their children to trace.
Liz
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I found the headstone which says that Peter died in the USA on 15 Oct 1927 and is interred in the USA. I will send on the photos with the other Farrell headstones I found.
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Hi Sancti,
Could you post the names of the other headstones for us, some of them might be from my part of the Farrell line.
Thank you ,
Megan
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Thomas Farrell who died 13 May 1945 and his wife Margaret who died 13 March 1950 and their loving son James died 17 May 1985
In loving memory of our mother Mary Farrell died 7 Aug 1982 our beloved father James Farrell died 1 July 1961 also our grandparents Sarah O'Neill and Patrick O'Neill
In memory of Jimmy Rooney died 21 July 1975 aged 71 years beloved husband of Martha Farrell also brother-in-law Michael (no date of death for Martha so she may be buried elsewhere)
Thomas Farrell who died 18 Dec 1943 aged 75 years beloved husband of Mary Ann Hughes who died 28 Jan 1950 aged 73 years
There is also a Helen Farrell who died on 25 Aug 1936 aged 5 years who is on the headstone of the Hoey family
I did not check the whole cemetery so there may be others.
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Sancti ,
Thank you very much. I have just recently found out that my great great grandmother is buried at Airbles, she is
Mary McPoland Farrell d. 1 Nov 1924 wife of Peter Farrell
burial 4 Nov 1924 Airbles Cemetery, Section D Lair #175
also buried with her is her daughter in law
Mary Agnes McCusker Farrell d. 18 Nov 1936
and her grandson
Thomas Farrell d. 23 Oct 1939.
Thank you for posting the Farrells that you found. They may fit somewhere.
Megan
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I actually live closer to Airbles so I will have a look tomorrow
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Sancti,
Thank you very much .
Megan
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santci, has anyone ever told you that you are worth your weight in gold :D ;D :D ;D
From the bottom of my heart THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH
Liz
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Sancti ,
Thank you very much. I have just recently found out that my great great grandmother is buried at Airbles, she is
Mary McPoland Farrell d. 1 Nov 1924 wife of Peter Farrell
burial 4 Nov 1924 Airbles Cemetery, Section D Lair #175
also buried with her is her daughter in law
Mary Agnes McCusker Farrell d. 18 Nov 1936
and her grandson
Thomas Farrell d. 23 Oct 1939.
Thank you for posting the Farrells that you found. They may fit somewhere.
Megan
Unfortunately there is no headstone but the cemetery office gave me the names and burial dates of those in the lair
Mary Farrell aged 78 4 Nov 1924
Mary Agnes Farrell aged 48 18 Nov 1936
Thomas McCusker aged 73 26 Jan 1939
Thomas Farrell aged 19 25 Oct 1939
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Motherwell Heritage Center came back with this today. Francis, Catherine & Peter are definately my relatives. I am not sure yet about Hugh & Mary.
Airbles Cemetery, Private Ground
Francis Farrell, 2 Orbiston Street, Age 1 month, Parents Peter Farrell and Mary Fagan, Lair No. 152C, date of burial 3 Jan 1921
Catherine Farrell, 2 Orbiston Street, 14 months, Parents Peter Farrell and Mary Fagan, Lair No. 152C, date of burial 30 January 1922
Peter Farrell, Steelworker, 25 Etive Street, Wishaw, Age 63, parents Peter Farrell and Mary Fagan, Lair No. 2488H, date of burial 1 October 1969
Also in Lair 152C:
Edward Fagan, Labourer, 17 Millar Street, Age 65, Widower, Parents Hugh Fagan and Mary McDonald, date of burial, 14 October, 1920
Annie F. Murphy, Housewife, 6 Lauchope Place, Chapelhall, Age 61, Parents Hugh Fagan and Mary Quingle, date of burial 19 March 1921
I have no idea about lairs. Was everyone that was related buried in one lair?
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Hi Drop Bear / Megan,
I am Gerry Farrell who Megan recently made contact with regards Peter & Mary Farrell (McPoland). These were my GGrandparents. My Father Joseph is the son of thier eldest Son William. He still lives in Motherwell and myself in Bellshill (2 miles). Its been a real thrill to find there are still a long blood line alive and kicking and searching their roots the same as myself. As with Megan I would love to see what details you have on your line of the Farrells so I can continue to add to my tree / research.
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Sancti,
Thank you for taking the time to go to the Cemetery..
I really appreciate all the help you have given me.
Megan
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Hi Everybody,
To add to further confusion. We have just found out that Peter Farrell might have been married 4 times not 3.
On 4 Jan 1859 , Peter Farrell, age 22 married an Ann Russell age 22
This marriage took place at St. Patricks RC in Glasgow
Both of them are listed as single. So this must be Peter's first wife.
Ann Russell Farrell dies in 1863 . I do not know yet if they had any children..
Hope this helps any Farrells out there.
Megan
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Add to the confusion, >:( What confusion, I'm not confused :-\ :-\ :-\ I'm, well O.K. I'M CONFUSED.
Your Peter that had the brother Terrance do you know if his father was Eddie and if he had a son also called Peter. Coz if he has my dad has a photo of the Son Peter.
There you go ANOTHER Peter. SO who's confused now??????? ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Liz,
Peter and Terrence were the sons of :
Patrick Farrell and Ann Devlin
Patrick is listed as a linen dealer on certificates, deceased
I also think there might have been another brother James.
I am still trying to figure out how your relatives from 1901 Census fall into my line. Can you give me their parents names and where they were born.
Anthony Farrell and Patrick Farrell both born Ireland
I have always thought that this Farrell line eventually leads to Co. Down, Ireland.
I haven't been able to find any records on my Patrick Farrell yet but I posted Ann Devlin Farrells info in the earlier posts.
My Patrick Farrell is listed as deceased on the 1859 marriage cert.
Maybe if you give me your relatives dates and names we can put all of the pieces together.
Megan
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Liz,
Also, the Gerry Farrell that posted to this thread is also a descendant of this Farrell line.
He is part of the familt that I had made contact with in Scotland.
So more confusion for you , he would also be a distant relative of your line.
Megan
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I am currently putting together my Farrell Tree. Trying as fast as I can. When I sent you the pm about that I told my Mum & Dad about this message board and Dad has been watching closley. The surnames you have mentioned are ringing bells but they can't quite put a finger on it yet. I have spent most of tonight searching the USA for my Peter Farrell as sancti provided a death date for me. I am finding it hard to get my head around everything although I did find my Anthony and his family on the 1920 New York census. I do not have Peter or Anthony' birth certificates (yet) but I do know they were born in Ireland, perhaps Omagh or Amagh (something like that). They then came to Scotland and Anthony went to the USA. Peter went over to find a living for him and his family, but was killed. That is where my adventure has started. :-\ :-\
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It was great to hear from Gerry, you may be right. A few of my Mum's Aunts & Unlces were from Bellshill. The quicker I enter information into my tree, the more people pop up that may be somehow related or can help in some way or another.
Liz
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Megan, sorry got side tracked. My Peter & Anthony's parents are Patrick Farrell and Ann Heffron.
Liz
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Liz,
Do you know the trade of your Patrick Farrell ? Could we possibly fit together by Patrick Farrell marrying twice ?
Or am I ahead a generation . Do you know your Patrick Farrells fathers name ?
Megan
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Hi Megan, haven't got to Patrick's parents names yet as irish research is proving to be a bit difficult. On his Son Peter's marriage certificate his is listed as being a Farmer.
Liz
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Liz,
I am having the same trouble with Ireland records. But Gerry and I have been trying to figure out how your line fits in to ours and how your Anthony and Patrick ended up living with Mary McPoland Farrell in 1901, widow of Peter Farrell.
I think you posted earlier that Anthony and Patrick were the sons of Peter Farrell and Ann Fagan ? Was this right ?
Megan
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Hi Megan,
On the 1901 census we both have, Anthony is listed as another relative being there. That is my Anthony. He is only listed as a relative so he may have been visiting on the night of the census if they worked it the way they do now, that anyone in the household on the night of the census is counted. Now he was 22 then so he may be a cousin to the other children in the household.
Liz
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Hi Liz,
Okay , I think I am getting it now. So the Anthony on the Census belongs to you but not the other boy Patrick.
Sorry I got confused !!
Megan
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Megan, it's not a problem at all. It gets a bit that way after a while. As we speak I'm trying to find info on my Peter and Anthony's parents coz I think that's where you and I may link.
Liz
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Liz,
Let me know what you find, and if you need someone else looking also I can give it a go . Just post the details and I will try to look myself.
Megan
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Hi Liz,
Been running this through in my head trying to work it out.
Your relation Peter Farrell was married to Mary Fagen - Children and burials etc as previous posts.
Anthony is Peters Brother as seen by the parents names on his marriage cert and he marries Sarah Powell 1905.
Patrick is also a brother of Peter and Anthony as I have found his marriage cert, He marries Sarah Powells sister Ellen in 1907 here the parents are clearer and its Patrick Farrell Farmer & Ann Hepburn.
Your in luck as when I went looking for William & Agnes farrells grave I noted down the Farrell gravestones that I saw and I can tell you that they are buried in St Pats Cemetery in new stevenson details on the headstone read-
In loving memory of Patrick farrell Husband of Ellen powell Aged 76yrs Died 04.04.1955
And Ellen powell Died 21/12/1963 Aged 78yrs.
I work with the council and have a friend in the cemeteries office so I will ask thm to look at the lair register and see if there is anyone else in that lair. Also i will pop back up and get you a photograph of the headstone.
I would love to hear from you to see what else you have and to see if we can find the missing link between all these farrells.
Gerry
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Thank you so much Gerry,
All of the info you have stated is true and correct. That has clarified a few things as I have Patrick Marrying Ann Heffron or Hevrin spelling unclear. I only know definately about Peter and Anthony. Not knowing where either were born has brought me to a complete stand still (Except they were born in Ireland).
Any photos or added info is greatly appreciated.
By the way, you're not related are you ;) :D
Liz
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Liz,
Like Megan I haven't been able to establish a link with Patrick or Anthony Farrell yet. The Mary Farrell that they are listed with on the 1901 census was my GGrandmother, My Father is William Farrell's son and still lives in motherwell.
My line of thinking is that Patrick Farrell (Anthony / Patrick & Peters Father) may have been a brother of Peter farrell my GGrandfather.
Gerry
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Hi Liz and Gerry ,
I have found a few Farrel records in Ireland . I am going to post them , maybe they will help . 2 of the relatives are from Gerrys and my Farrell line . Brothers of our Peter Farrell . See posts below .
* Patrick Farrell born/baptized on 28 Oct 1838 in Annaghlone , Co. Down
parents - Patrick Farrell and Ann Devlin
sponsors - Felix Cull and Mary Devlin
* Terence Augustine Farrell born/baptized on 28 Aug 1842 in Annaghlone , Co. Down .
parents - Patrick Farrell and Ann Devlin
sponsors - Patrick Devlin and Rose Farrell
Now here are the ones that may be relatives but nothing definate yet.
* Patrick Farrell born/baptized on 4 Mar 1835 in Kilbroney , Co. Down
parents - Peter Farrell and Nancy Whyte
sponsors - Mark Farrell and Sarah Sloan
* Peter Farrell born/baptized on 19 Sep 1835 in Annaghlone , Co. Down
parents - Roger Farrell and Rose Byrne (s)
sponsors - not listed
* Peter Farrell born/baptized on 5 Dec 1839 in Kilbroney , Co. Down
parents - Peter Farrell and Nancy Whyte
sponsors - William Farrell and Margaret Sloan
The Rev. is listed as P . McEvoy
Now this one I can't figure out . The names match our family but the wife name is different . For it to match my family the wife should be Ann Devlin . ZBut on this record Ann Devlin is listed as the sponsor , not the mother of the child.
See below -
* Patrick Farrell born/baptized on 29 Jun 1837 in Dromore , Co' Down
Patrick is listed as being from Ballooley .
Parents - Patrick Farrell and Rose Anne Farrell
Sponsors- Patrick Diamond and Ann Devlin
This is all I have so far. Hope this helps a little bit .
Megan
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Hi All,
I have been following your thread and amazed at the progress and the three of you sharing a good deal of "common" research. However, I notice that there is a loggerhead re Patrick Farrell, can I remind you that sometimes Peter and Patrick were interchangeable.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/034e/
It is just that the last few posts seem to be getting lots of Peter's and Patrick's, good luck with your research.
Tom
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Hi Tom,
Thanks for your interest and tips in our search. The Peter's and Patrick Farrell's we refer to are no mix up of names we have documented evidence of them all, But your right there are a vast amount of them.
Megan is the No1 researcher in this line, the information she has uncovered is amazing.
My advantage is that i'm still living in the area where they lived / died so i can pop along to graveyards etc. If it wasnt for this research I would never have known I had so many living relations in the USA, You can imagine how exiting it was to get a phone call out of the blue from Megan. Now our biggest mystery is to find out where Dropbears Peter & Patrick connects to our Peter Farrell and we will have linked in 3 continents around the world.
Keep reading to see how we get on, And any other tips are greatly appreciated.
Gerry Farrell
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Hello,
I was so excited to discover this thread - It has cleared up a few questions for me. This is my first post on RootsChat.
I am also descended from Peter Farrell. He was my GGGrandfather. I am descended from his marriage to his third wife, Hannah McCormick. Their daughter Mary Agnes married Hugh McGovern, and they had a son, Peter Frederick, who was my grandfather on my mother's side.
If you have any information on this line of the family, I would love to hear it. I will be back in Scotland in July, and will hopefully be able to follow up more while I am there.
I will appreciate any information you can give!
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Mary ,
Yes we have a connection , and I will also contact Gerry , he lives in Scotland , so you two might be able to meet up in July .
Peter Farrell married Hannah McCormick at St. Andrews Chapel , Great Clyde St. , Clyde , Glasgow on 2 Jan 1871 .
Peter and Hannah had 2 children - Mary Agnes and Catherine Teresa .
Mary Agnes b. 14 Jan 1874
Catherine Teresa b. 5 Jan 1877 , dies 1 Jun 1877 , age 4 mths
Hannah McCormick Farrell died 14 Mar 1878 , and is buried at Dalbeth Cemetery , with Peter and the other 2 of his wives , and the child Catherine Teresa . Yes , Peter buried himself with 3 of his wives !!
On the 1881 Census , Mary Agnes is listed with Mary McPoland Farrell ( Peters 4 wife, and mine and Gerry's line ) .
Mary Agnes married Hugh McGovern at United Presbyterian on 18 Dec 1891 .
They have 2 children -
Hugh Francis - b. 19 Jan 1896
Hannah - b. 18 Oct 1897 , she marries Peter Keating on 6 Jun 1924 .
Hannah McGovern Keating died in 1985 .
Mary Agnes Farrell was the maid of honor at her half sister's wedding . Her Half sister was Annie Farrell , she was Peter child from his 2 marriage to Martha Kelly . It seems they all were very close and in and out of each others lives .
All of Peter's wives died very early in life and left children to be raised , as a matter of fact , one of the lines her in America , thought they were descended from Hannah McCormick , when we found out that Annie was not Hannahs child , but child of Martha Kelly . The decendants never knew because Annie had been very close with Hannah , and spoke like she was her mother.
I'm sure this all might be somewhat confusing , but Gerry and I have done a good job of figuring it out . We think we have found all of Peters chidren , we hope at least .!!!
Peter Farrell died 14 Aug 1886 . His parents were Patrick Farrell and Ann Devlin .
Ann Devlin Farrell remarried after Patrick Farrell died to a Luke Flood on 10 Oct 1852 .
Anne died - 25 Nov 1861 in Motherwell , death certificate signed by Peter .
Anne is also buried at Old Dalbeth Cemetery , (same cemetery as her son , Peter ) .
I'm sure Gerry will be on this site soon to add more info .
Megan
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Wow Megan - that is great information! Thanks a lot :D
Peter Farrell seems to have been quite the man...
The only thing I can add to your information, is that Hugh McGovern and Mary Agnes Farrell actually had three children - My grandfather Peter Frederick was born January 27th, 1910. He was still quite young when both his parents died, so I am trying to find out who raised him. I am thinking probably his sister Hannah.
You didn't come across any information about Hugh McGovern in your research, did you?
I will certainly visit Dalbeth when I am home in the summer. We have quite a few family members buried there.
Thanks again,
Anne
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Hi Mary ,
Hugh McGovern died 3 Apr 1920 . At the time of his death he was living at the Victoria Infirmary . His usual residence was - 135 Nelson St. Glasgow .
He died at age 49 yrs. of Bronchitus/Labor Pneumonia . The death registry was signed by his son , Hugh McGovern .
At the time of Hugh and Mary Agnes' marriage , Hughs parents were deceased . Their names were -
Hugh McGovern - pipe fitter
Catherine Tweedle both deceased on marriage cert . in 1891 .
On the marriage cert . Hugh and Mary Agnes list the same address . 77 Port St. < Glasgow . That is the address that Peter and Hannah lived . And then Mary McPoland .
That is all I have on Hugh , I will pm you my contact info and Gerrys.
Megan
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Hi Anne,
Welcome to rootschat and the Peter farrell Decendants Clan. I hope that we can help each other reveal more of our family history. Megan is a real star when it comes to unearthing relations.
I will look and see what I have on the McGoverns & McCormicks and pass it on to you.
Megan thanks for the phone call.
Gerry
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Thanks Gerry! It sounds like you and Megan have done a great job of piecing the history together. I'm looking forward to discovering all of it.
Talk to you soon,
Anne
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Hi Megan. You mentioned that your farrell line originated in the parish of Annaghlone that is in fact Annaclone as it has 2 ways of spelling it and the townland which the farrells are from is tullyorior. I don't have any info on Patrick but his son Terence Farrell is my neighbour's grandfather and he died in Canada. He had 2 sons Johnny and Barney + 3 daughters Rosie who is died and Sissie (97) and kathleen (94) both still living. Johnny was married to Kathleen and they had 3 sons and a 5 daughters. Their sons are called John, Owen and Terry and they all live beside me.
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Hi Mickwally,
Thank you for replying to this post. As you can see the Farrell line has alot of people trying to figure things out. This is the information that I have found -
Patrick Farrell married Ann Devlin (in Ireland)
children -
Peter ( as discussed in other posts)
Terence Augustine b. 28 Aug 1842 in Annaclone
Sarah - b. 1846 Partick, Scotland
The family moved to Scotland in time for the 1851 census. Patrick Farrell the father is not listed and must have died between 1847-51.
Terence Augustine married Margaret Morrison on 13 Feb 1866 at St. Andrews, Glasgow.
They had 4 children all born in Scotland -
Patrick - b. 14 Aug 1866 in Glasgow
Ann Gillespie - b 26 Oct 1868 d. 23 Jul 1869 in Glasgow
Margaret - b. 10 Jun 1870 d. 14 Aug 1871 in Glasgow
John Terence - b. 3 Sep 1872 in Glasgow
Their father Terence Augustine Farrell died in Glasgow on 29 May 1886. A little over a month after his brother Peter died.
If any of this fits with your neighbors information please let me know. As I would like to explore their family in Co. Down to see if they fit. Having the name Terence could be a very good clue.
Please let me know and Thank you,
Megan
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Hi I have pictures of the menin gate panel 44 where it lists my great uncle George glanfield amongst others I tried to post on here but could not
Regards bob
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I saw your message about having Baxter's in Motherwell. My Baxters also were in Motherwell. Can you send me some names? I'd like to see if there is a connection.
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Hi Tammy
Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Grandparents William Baxter & Janet Johnstone
Great Great Great Great Great Great Grandparents Andrew Baxter & Mary White
Great Great Great Great Great Grandparents Andrew Baxter & Mary Nisbet
Great Great Great Great Grandparents Andrew Baxter & Jean Thomson
Great Great Great Grandparents Robert Baxter & Margaret Donaldson
Great Great Grandparents Andrew Baxter & Elizabeth Stewart
Great Grandparents William Baxter & Isabella Mitchell McFarlane & then Sarah Bright
Grandparents William Baxter & Mary Ann Jordan
Does any of this fit with your family????
Liz
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Hello to All,
It has been quite some time since I have posted here and to be honest I became terribly confused. Since I started this post I have gone off to other branches of the tree, but keep coming back to Farrell. I took the information I had at hand and combined that with the information and photos provided by Sancti, Gerry & Megan and spent alot of effort between Scotland & the USA.
This is now the information I have which I have 100% confirmed.
Get ready people.
My Great Grandparents are Peter Farrell & Mary Fagan (Peter's parents are Patrick Farrell & Ann Heffernan (Heffron). Mary's Parents are Edward Fagan & Bridget Smith)
Peter was born 7th Jan 1874, Killala, Mayo, Ireland. Married 2 Jan 1900, Motherwell, Scotland & Died 15th Oct 1927, Long Island, Queens, New York
Mary was born 19th Feb 1878, Bothwell, Scotland & Died 30th July 1948, Motherwell, Scotland.
Peter & Mary's children are;
Mary Farrell who married Samuel Hogg
Bridget (Sissy) Farrell who married Thomas Laughlin
Anne Farrell who married Thomas McDermott
Helen (Ellen) Farrell who never married
Elizabeth Farrell who married William Booth Robb
Peter J Farrell who married Jessie Stanners Hardie
Patrick Farrell who never married
Edward Farrell who married Margaret Reilly
Michael Farrell who married Margaret (Meg) Coulter
Thomas Farrel who married Margaret Quinn
Frances Farrell who died in 1920 aged 1 month
Catherine Farrell who died in 1922 aged 1 year
Peter Farrells parents are Patrick Farrell & Ann Heffernan (Heffron)
Their children are: (and I think this is the area which has caused such confusion)
Peter Farrell who married Mary Fagan (their children listed above)
Anthony Farrell who married Sarah Powell. Their children are Mary Ann, Patrick, John & Anthony
Patrick Farrell who married Ellen Powell. Their child Mary.
Michael Farrell ????
Peter, Anthony, Patrick & Michael are the ones I am stuck on.
It's great to be back and feel free to jump into the deep end with me.
Liz
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Lots of names but unfortunately no. Unless it's through a line I haven't followed yet :( . Thanks anyway!
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Liz,
Its great to see you back, and for your details information.
I've browsed over the records on & off since we last communicated and am still puzzled with where the connection lies between our Farrell's and your Farrell's from the 1901 census.
I'll need to take time to study what you have given us now and sift through mine and see if it brings up anything new.
Gerry
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Hi Liz,
I have only just joined RootsChat.com.
I am building my family tree Smith/Baxter and came across your thread below.
I can only assume you are (*) ?
If so, I am William Smith, Victoria, cousin.
I can see that you have done a great deal of research.
Anyway, just wanted to say hello and good luck.
"The truth is out there"
Hi Tammy
Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Grandparents William Baxter & Janet Johnstone
Great Great Great Great Great Great Grandparents Andrew Baxter & Mary White
Great Great Great Great Great Grandparents Andrew Baxter & Mary Nisbet
Great Great Great Great Grandparents Andrew Baxter & Jean Thomson
Great Great Great Grandparents Robert Baxter & Margaret Donaldson
Great Great Grandparents Andrew Baxter & Elizabeth Stewart
Great Grandparents William Baxter & Isabella Mitchell McFarlane & then Sarah Bright
Grandparents William Baxter & Mary Ann Jordan
Does any of this fit with your family????
Liz
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Hi W.Smith
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Once you have posted a couple of times here on Rootschat, your Personal Message service (PMs) is activated and is a great way to exchange personal details.
Monica
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Hi Monica,
Many thanks, look forward to posting.
Regards,
Bill
Hi W.Smith
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Once you have posted a couple of times here on Rootschat, your Personal Message service (PMs) is activated and is a great way to exchange personal details.
Monica
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Hi, I know it has been quite a while since this was posted but still wanted to try and respond. I am trying to get some information for a friend who is tracing their Powell relatives. I know that James Powell and Mary Ann Murphy married in Armagh, had Catherine, Mary Ann, Susan, Teresa and Ellen in Armagh. Then took the family to Motherwell, where they had Francis (my friend's line), Bridget, James and Annie. I believe all but Ellen immigrated to New York. Ellen married Patrick Farrell and Sara Powell married Anthony Farrell. I have found information out for some of the Powells that went to the US, but very little about the ones that stayed in Motherwell. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Cathy
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Marriages
1905 FARRELL ANTHONY and POWELL SARAH at DALZIEL /LANARK
1907 FARRELL PATRICK and POWELL ELLEN at DALZIEL /LANARK
Only one death showing in Scotland
1963 FARRELL ELLEN other name POWELL aged 78 at DALZIEL /LANARK
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Sarah and her children travelled with a 19 yr old Bridget Powell and they gave their next of kin as Mary Ann Powell, 12c Jack Street, Motherwell 27th July 1912, destination New York
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Thanks for your help. I know a bit about Anthony and Sarah Farrell, but very little about Patrick and Ellen Farrell. Sarah Powell had a son Patrick Powell (1903) he is listed as illegitimate. She married Anthony and they have Mary (1907), John James (1908), and Anthony (1909-1971). Anthony Farrell does very well for himself. He owns a home in New York that for the time period was very expensive. At least of of his brother in laws worked for him. When Sarah comes to the US with the children Patrick Powell is not with them. But he shows up living with the family by the 1920 census, using the name Patrick Farrell. I know that Anthony dies in New York in 1971, but can't find the other ones yet. On Anthony Farrell's draft registration paper work he lists being from County Mayo. Thanks again for your help.
Take care,
Cathy
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Hi Cathy and Welcome,
I am a wee bit confused as to who and what you require help on, I am guessing you are looking into Powells. I have not followed the line of James and Mary Ann as they are not directly related to me. I do however have information on Sarah and Ellen as they married into my Farrells.
You say Patrick turns up on the 1920 census "living with the family". What family do you refer to ?
If you mean Anthony and Sarah, that is incorrect, Anthony and Sarah are listed in 1920 in West 53rd Street, Manhattan, New York with Mary, John and Anthony (their children). There is a Patrick & Ellen in the 1920 census but if it is the one I think it is, it is not them. Patrick Farrell (brother of Anthony) was supposed to leave for New York on the S.S. President Harding in November 1926 with his brother Peter (my Great Grandfather) but didn't. Patrick died in Motherwell in 1955 and the death that sancti kindly provided is Ellen Powell who died in 1963.
From your first post Patrick and Ellen stayed in Motherwell, that is correct and Anthony and Sarah went to the USA, and Sarah and Ellen's sister Bridget went as well. So as far as any of them staying in Motherwell, I only have information on Ellen.
Kind regards,
Liz
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Cathy, I had a quick look and Francis went to New York and listed Sarah as who he was going to.
He arrived in New York 22nd Dec 1922 on board the "Saturina" with what appears to be his two boys, James aged 4 and John aged 2.
Liz
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Sorry you a right. My post was confusing, the Patrick I was referring to was Patrick Powell-he was Sarah's son, his birth certificate lists him as illegitimate. And again I should have checked my facts instead of relying on my memory before posting. Patrick Farrell (who I think is Powell) is in the 1930 census living in New York with Sarah and Anthony. I was looking for information on Ellen Powell Farrell, I think she was the only one to stay in Scotland. I was wondering, about any children they may have had. I did use Scotland's People and I think I found some on the 1911 census. Thanks for your reply....sorry I wasn't more clear
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O.K. here is what I had hidden away
As far as James Powell and Mary Ann Murphy’s children go I have this;
Catharine Powell born 29th April 1876 Armagh (she may have married someone Yorke)
Mary Anne Powell born 25th January 1878 Armagh
Susan Powell born 23rd May 1879 Armagh, she married Patrick Howley and went to the USA in 1928 on board the “Transylvania”
Sarah Powell was born 1881 Armagh, married Anthony Farrell she went to the USA in 1912
Theresa Powell was born 1883 Armagh
Ellen Powell was born 1885 Armagh, married Patrick Farrell and stayed in Motherwell
Francis Powell was born 1890-1891 and went to the USA in 1922 as previously posted
Bridget Powell was born about 1893 and went to the USA with Sarah in 1912
James Powell was born about 1895 and went to the USA in 1923 on board the “Cameronia”
Annie Powell was born about 1897 and I have no idea
As far as Patrick Powell/Farrell is concerned he lived with his grandmother Mary Ann, perhaps due to his illegitimacy. He went to the USA in 1920 on board the “Mauretania” and he is on the 1925 & 1930 Census living with his mother and father.
As for Patrick Farrell & Ellen Powell;
Patrick was born in 1879, Killala, Mayo, Ireland, he married Ellen Powell in 1907 in Craigneuk. Patrick died in 1955 and Ellen in 1963, both in Motherwell
Children are, Patrick, Mary, James, Anthony, Veronica, Sarah, Ellen, Thomas, Francis and Joseph
I hope this helps in your friends search
Kindest regards
Liz
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Liz,
Thanks so much for all your help. I really appreciate it. I knew Francis's wife died, and he went to the US, but didn't know when.
Thanks and take care,
Cathy