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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Kent Lookup Requests => Kent => England => Kent Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: BellaRose on Tuesday 12 February 08 02:57 GMT (UK)
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Hello everyone,
I am looking for the marriage of William GRIGGS to Mary ?
Their first child Sarah was born in Wickhambreaux about 1816, so the marriage would possibly be shortly before this.
According to the 1851 census William's wife Mary was born in Littlebourne (about 1789), & he was born in Sandwich (about 1788). He was a Master Blacksmith.
Hopefully they were married in Wickhambreaux.
Thanks for any help you can give,
Jenny (Melbourne, Australia)
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Hi Jenny, welcome to Rootschat :)
I can't help with Wickhambreaux, but as Mary was born in Littlebourne, the marriage was most likely to have taken place there.
I've found this Marriage in Littlebourne:
William GRIGGS of St Alphege, Canterbury
Mary BROWNING of this Parish
25th Feb 1811 By Banns
Witness: John TRICE
Although it says William was of Canterbury, that doesn't necessarily mean he was born there, just living there at the time of the marriage
There are a lot of BROWNING Baptisms in Littlebourne.
This could be Mary, the only child of that name c1789
17th Oct 1790
Mary Daughter of Thomas & Mary BROWNING
Hope this helps.
Betty
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Hi Betty,
thanks for the welcome! ;D
I think you've hit gold for me with that marriage!
I had an OPC look in Whickhambreaux & she replied today that there was nothing.
So Littlebourne it will be. The bride's town - of course! ::)
I need to get into the habit of putting my feet in their shoes when thinking of events!
I'll chase up the certs for that one.
Thanks again,
Jenny
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Hi Jenny,
This may be your William Griggs christening from the Bishop's Transcript for Sandwich, St. Mary:
GRIGGS, William on 08 Mar 1789 to James and Mary, child was born on 15 Feb 1789
There is no marriage for James and Mary in that parish but there is a burial for Mary wife of James Griggs on 16 Feb 1794 aged 33 years.
Sorry, I don't seem to have any other information that would be helpful.
Sincerely,
Susan
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Thanks Susan,
That particular James was also a Blacksmith, as were all of William's sons.
Sandwich is the thing also that is 'Sandwiching' this line together for me! :D
So that certainly looks good!
Thanks so much,
Jenny
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Hi
I am new to this site but I homed in on this message as I think you may have the wrong William.
He is my gtx4grandfather. He was born in Sandwich 1789, married Mary Browning (b. Littlebourne) in Littlebourne and lived in Wickhambreaux. He was indeed a master blacksmith in Littlebourne/Wickhambreaux, son of James and Mary of Sandwich. But he had no daughter Sarah. He had 6 children, William, Mary, James, George, Clement and Ann. All the sons were blacksmiths too. If I can help further please get in touch, I have been researching this family for some years now, and any new information would be most welcome.
Yours
Gini
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Hello Gini, WOW! This is exciting! I have been hoping to find another Griggs descendant. Here is what I have on that Griggs family -
My information has come from a chap in Kent (he is also trying to verify all the info in a book written by Fred Griggs in 1986) - he is sure he has now sorted out the William Griggs issue - your William with that same wife & children are ours too;
& this also verifies info I received from a chap when he travelled from Australia to Kent to research Sarah's parents.
I have Sarah as being your William & Mary's daughter - she is their eldest born sometime between 1811 & 1816. She married Stephen CASTLE in 1838 & appears on the 1841 census as Sarah CASTLE - on the same page as the Griggs &, by the looks of it, living 5 houses down from her family. Sarah is often not linked to the Griggs as in the first available census (1841) she is already married & has moved out of home. She & her husband Stephen came to Australia in 1841, therefore she doesn't appear on the 1851 census.
I'd love to know what you make of all this!
Please let me know what you think - my email address is email address removed by moderator - please use the secure Rootschat personal message system to exchange personal email addresses - thankyouLooking forward to hearing from you again,
Jenny
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Hello!
I think I am the chap you were refering to investigating the Griggs family in Kent. William and Mary do appear to have had a daughter called Sarah. There is a baptism at Stodmarsh Kent on 10th November 1816 of a Sarah Griggs to a William and Mary. This fits in well between baptisms of Thomas in 1815 at Littleborne at Emma 1819 at Wickhambreuax.
Because Sarah married in 1838 (before the first census of 1841) she would not have appeared in any censuses with her family. If you would like any more information please contact me or take a look on my (incomplete) website www.tonygriggs.btinternet.co.uk (http://www.tonygriggs.btinternet.co.uk)
Tony
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I really really hope some of you are still out there and researching this family, You have just added sooo much information to our family. Thank you.
Our line comes down through Emma, sister of Sarah etc daughter of William and Mary.
Emma married Thomas Maxted, on 20th Oct 1838,Sandwich. Thomas was born 1809 son of Richard and May or Mary Maxted. Thomas, you will be surprised to know, was a Blacksmith!
Thomas had a brother Robert and on Roberts Death Cert. his mother - May/Mary's maiden name is Haffau but we can find no trace of this name. So wonder if the spelling is wrong.
Thomas and Emma, along with their oldest 6 children, travelled to New Zealand, on board the 'Cresswell' in 1856.
Emma gave birth on board to my great grand father, Tristan da Cuhna Cresswell Maxted.
Thomas continued his trade in Blenheim, Marlborough, New Zealand.
Emma died in Feb 1905
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Hi
Good to hear from you. I have managed to trace the Griggs back to Grigg Farm, Grigg Lane in Headcorn Kent, 1470, one Roger Griggs who owned it then. Extraordinary!
I think maybe your Richard Maxted married Mary Hougham 01/02/1800 in Ash Sandwich. So I am guessing it was a miss spelling on the certificate. And I have two daughters to that marriage too. Anna b. 21/02/13 and Mary b. 19/12/1819. There are probably more but I cannot find them.
Good luck
Gini
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Thank you Gini
I'm sure you're on the right track! But now I'm really confused..... The family we have for them are
Thomas 1809
Robert 1831-1879
Robert Maxted also came to New Zealand but we don't know when. We have his death cert. (this is where we got the name Haffau) and a news paper clipping that states that his funeral left from the home of his brother and the address, where Thomas and Emma were living.
The birth date for Robert above is I think a guess for the age they say he was when he died but would they still be having children 31 yrs after they married?
Any help on our mystery Robert would be great.
Granny Flower
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Hi
This is a real puzzle and I dont think I can help. 1841C shows a Richard b. 1821 living with Thomas and Emma in Bridge. Followed Richard b. 1821 through all census and tied in nicely with 1851 showing him living with a Richard & Mary (parents) but now an ag lab. 1861 - 1881 married to Margaret and several children. So cannot be your Richard who died in NZ!
No other Richard of that age exists so maybe he came to NZ with his brother. Thomas & Emma we know went to Maldon in Surrey (1851C) and then to NZ. 1841C shows him as b. 1816 (not 1809 as you have) then on the 1851C he is suddenly 47?? (b. 1803) and Emma 33 not 30??
On their marriage certificate Thomas's father is Richard. Two Richard's exist on census as being b. 1779 one with Richard (son) b. 1821 and eventually marrying Margaret (not your Richard) and the other in the wrong area completely so not them either. So father Richard must have died before census records started.
As to the name Huffau, Ancestry has the spelling Huffal (as spelt by othersresearching the Maxted's) but can find no record of a marriage with that name anywhere. Hougham is pronounced Huffam however.
The whole thing is a mess really. Too many Maxted's in Kent with not enough information to place them in family groups. Sorry. If you have any further information that could help I dont mind searching again.
Bye for now
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These maxteds were very confusing people My line appears to go Thomas 1748 married to Elizabeth (nee knott) son Richard married Mary Haugham? Huffal? Haffau? son Thomas m. Emma Griggs (to NZ)son Robert(NZ), and we think yet another Richard,
Thomas names eldest son Richard(NZ)
My cousin and I have decided that none of us with the surname Maxted may name their children Richard or Thomas and they can not become blacksmiths!
One census shows Thomas 2 Blacksmith having 2 men working for him maybe this is why brother Richard was with them.
They all seem to be around Ickham, Wickhambreaux area and St Mary's pops up too .
I will sit and digest this information.
Thankyou
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Thomas 2 (NZ), we think, did have a brother Richard who stayed in England. It's the brother Robert who died here, we can find no trace of at home in Kent.
There was also, sometimes, an age limit on people coming here and so they weren't always truthful about their age!!
A birth date of 1803 ties in with a marriage date for Richard and Mary of 1.2.1800
Thomas and Emma's son Richard came here also on the Cresswell, he is not listed on the passenger list as one of their children as he was classed as an adult but there is a R Maxted male on board.