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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Berwickshire => Topic started by: Ann Kerr on Saturday 08 January 05 17:25 GMT (UK)
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Looking for information on the Johnstone Family from Chirnside, Berwickshire, Scotland.
Peter Johnston(e) :) - DOB ? married Elizabeth MacDougal - DOB ?, married July 1, 1830 in Chirnside.
Children: William DOB?, married Isabella Dickson (Dixon) - DOB ?, married Dec. 11, 1857.
Children:
1. Peter-dob Dec. 1, 1858, Chirnside
2. William-dob Oct.14,1860, Chirnside
3. Alexander-dob Oct. 16, 1862, Chirnside
4. Robert- dob Dec. 13, 1864, Chirnside
5. George- dob Feb. 11,1867, Chirnside
6. Margaret-dob April 20,1870, Chirnside
7. John-dob Dec. 15, 1872 (my great grandfather)
John married Married Mary Younger dob-Mar.25, 1870, Hillshead, Leamington, Warwick, England.
Marriage date - Dec. 23, 1901, in St. Angustine Church, New Castle, England. Daughter of George Younger and Elizabeth Barber.
John immigrated to Canada in 1911.
I am looking for information on the extended family of William and Isabella Dickson, and the ancestors
of Peter Johnston(e) and Elizabeth MacDougal.
Thanks for any help I may receive.
Ann
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Hello,
I have information from the 1881 census for you. You may already have it, if not please let me have your email address and I'll send it on to you.
Jean ;D
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Ann,
Do you know if Peter & Elizabeth had any more children, besides William ?
Jean
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Jean
I think Peter and Elizabeth had another son, Alexander. I have not been able to find any other children. My e-mail address is <email address removed to prevent misuse, [please use PM facility: moderator> Thanks for any information you may give me. :)
Ann
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Hi Jean
Just reread your reply and noticed there are Craigs in your family.
My great great grandfather was Thomas Craig, born in Ireland in 1839. I have a copy of a letter stating he was a sergeant 2/16 Reg. This letter was written at his request when he left the Army, dated Aug. 23, 1873 at Aldershot, North Curragh, Ireland. We are not sure if this was the year he came to Canada or not. He had a son Alexander W., born July 27, 1870 and Baptized July 31, 1870, signed by H. Whinny, Chaplain of the forces. Any possible connection.
Ann :)
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Don't think so Ann,
I can trace my Craigs back to around 1790 and they were are all born Scotland, originating in Perthshire.
Jean :(
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Jean
Thanks for the info. I will start looking again.
It seems you can get so far and then you hit a brick wall, and then the least little bit of information will get you going again. Will let you know how I make out.
Thanks again
Ann :)
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Hi Ann
Baptisms for children of Peter Johnstone and Elizabeth MacDougal from Bewickshire OPR's.
William 23 Mar 1831 Chirnside
Alexander 9 Sep 1832 Chirnside
Catharine 14 Sep 1834 Coldingham
Peter 28 Nov 1836 Coldingham
Margaret 22 Nov 1838 Coldingham
George 15 Feb 1841 Coldingham
Elisabeth 28 May 1843 Coldingham
Janet 4 Dec 1844 Coldingham
Robert 7 Mar 1847 Coldingham
Elisabeth's entry named father as Peter George Johnstone - all other entries as Peter Johnstone. Elizabeth MacDougal named in full on all records.
Regards
Helen K
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Wow, that's a lot of family you didn't know about. I'll look them up on the 1881 census and get back to you.
Jean :o
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Hi Helen
Thanks for the information. Will start looking from this end.
Ann :)
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could you please help me out ,my mom was born in scotland in 1926 to dave& annie johnstone, she came to america in 1932, I don't have to much more info
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please email me in ref to jean johnstone from scotland
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One of the children born to William Clazy and Isabelle Purvis had the middle name of Johnstone...her first name was Jane. I always thought it might be a maiden name from mother's family.
I also have an Eleanor Craig who married James Oswald Clazey in 1870. Her family though may have been from Burnt Island.
sharon
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I do not know if this will help...William Clazy and Isabelle Purvis named their oldest daughter, Jane Johnstone Clazy. She was baptised October 1819, Coldstream. I have always wondered at her middle name...assumed it was a family name from some line. This family moved a bit...
sharon
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Chirnside 20 October 1786, Proclamation of Banns and Marriages.
November 12, 1786 - John Blackadder to Helen Johnstone in Broadhaugh Chirnside Parish.
Sharon
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dickson family
1841 census; edington mains, chirnside
william...age 40...ag labourer
margaret...age 36
betty...age 16...ag labourer
john...age 13
isabella...age 9
stephen...age 6 months
1851 census; edington mains, chirnside
william...age 50...ag labourer...born england
margaret...age 46...born ladykirk
elizabeth...age 26...farm servant...born hutton
john...age 23...ag labourer...born hutton
isabella...age 18...farm servant
margaret...age 5
james...age 2
all born chirnside unless otherwise stated
1861 census; edington, chirnside
william...age 60...ploughman...born england
margaret...age 57...born ladykirk
margaret...age 15...ag labourer...born chirnside
jane...age 11...born chirnside
1861 census; edington, chirnside
william...age 30...shepherd
isabella...age 29
peter...age 2
william...age 5 months
all born chirnside
Joe
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a wee look at the igi's suggest that william dickson married margaret burnet at ladykirk, on the 16th june 1822.
a further check says that margaret burnet was the daughter of robert burnet and elizabeth logan and that she was christened 24th nov 1804 ladykirk.
a wee check of the census says
1841 census; hutton hall barnes cottages
robert...age 71...ag labourer
elizabeth...age 68
both born berwick
1851 census; hutton hall barnes cottages
robert...age 81...ag labourer...born eccles
elizabeth...age 77...born ladykirk
Joe
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Hi Ann,
Is this of any use.
Chirnside churchyard pre 1855 (recorded by David C.Cargill in 1970).
Peter Johnstone for 54 yrs. the faithful servant of Messr's Home of Fairlaw d. there 17.8.1886 78yrs. dau. Elizabeth 5.8.1843 3 mths. son George 22.11.43 3 yrs. son Peter 17.9.1854 18 yrs. wife Elizabeth McDougall d. at Fairlaw 23.5.1897 89 yrs. (88 in D/Reg).
1851 census Coldingham, Fairlaw.
Peter Johnston H M 44 Farm Serv. Berwick, Duns.
Elizabeth W M 44 Berwick, Chirnside.
Catherine Dau. U 16 Ag. Lab. Berwick, Coldingham.
Peter son U 14 Ag. Lab. Berwick, Coldingham.
Margaret Dau. 12 Scholar Berwick, Coldingham.
Janet Dau. 6 Scholar Berwick, Coldingham.
Robert Son 4 Berwick, Coldingham.
According to IGI Peter Johnston born 27/2/1808 & bapt. 6/3/1808 Duns, parents William Johnston & Margaret Guthrie. (wants checking)
Alexander b. 2/8/1832 & bapt 9/9/1832 Chirnside (IGI).
If the right one,
1851 census Coldingham, Sunnyside 1. Farm.
Alexander Johnston Serv. U 18 Farm Serv. Berwick, Chirnside.
( to William Hood H U 60 Proprietor ( 317 acres employ 10 lab) )
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Joe
Thanks for the information, I will follow up and see where it leads me.
Ann
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Jean
I think Peter and Elizabeth had another son, Alexander. I have not been able to find any other children. My e-mail address is <email address removed to prevent misuse, [please use PM facility: moderator> Thanks for any information you may give me. :)
Ann
im not computer minded but been looking at this website and i think i may be able to help.
My great grandfather was alexander Johnstone who came from Berwichshire to Liverpool. Can you contact me on this email address: tebbrell:btinternet.com or phone me Ian Alexander Johnstone 07708169555 i would be very intestered.
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Hi Ann,
Is this of any use.
Chirnside churchyard pre 1855 (recorded by David C.Cargill in 1970).
Peter Johnstone for 54 yrs. the faithful servant of Messr's Home of Fairlaw d. there 17.8.1886 78yrs. dau. Elizabeth 5.8.1843 3 mths. son George 22.11.43 3 yrs. son Peter 17.9.1854 18 yrs. wife Elizabeth McDougall d. at Fairlaw 23.5.1897 89 yrs. (88 in D/Reg).
1851 census Coldingham, Fairlaw.
i am not computer minded but i have just been browsing this website and my grandfather Alexander Johnstone came from Berwickshire to Liverpool i would be very interested if you could contact me my girlfreinds email is: (*) or ring me (*)
thank you x
Peter Johnston H M 44 Farm Serv. Berwick, Duns.
Elizabeth W M 44 Berwick, Chirnside.
Catherine Dau. U 16 Ag. Lab. Berwick, Coldingham.
Peter son U 14 Ag. Lab. Berwick, Coldingham.
Margaret Dau. 12 Scholar Berwick, Coldingham.
Janet Dau. 6 Scholar Berwick, Coldingham.
Robert Son 4 Berwick, Coldingham.
According to IGI Peter Johnston born 27/2/1808 & bapt. 6/3/1808 Duns, parents William Johnston & Margaret Guthrie. (wants checking)
Alexander b. 2/8/1832 & bapt 9/9/1832 Chirnside (IGI).
If the right one,
1851 census Coldingham, Sunnyside 1. Farm.
Alexander Johnston Serv. U 18 Farm Serv. Berwick, Chirnside.
( to William Hood H U 60 Proprietor ( 317 acres employ 10 lab) )
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Alexander Johnston isn't in the 1861 census for Coldingham.
Fairlaw Farm - 1 room,1 scholar.
Peter Johnston H M 53 Gardener Bew.,Duns.
Elisabeth W M 53 " Chirnside.
Robert S U 14 Scholar " Coldingham.
Grants House Village - 6 rooms.
Margaret Johnston Serv. U 22 ( to William Grant,Merchant) Bew. Cold..
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Akexander Johnstone is the son you said was missing and i just thought i could help. i wasnt askin if he was on the regester just wanted to know if he was in the same family, and i said i was not computer minded so didnt really understand your reply.
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I have been researching a William Johnston born abt 1817 who married Eliza Fish abt 1840 and had 4 children in Chirnside between 1841 and 1848. Does anyone know where he fits in this family? I don't have the names of his parents but feel it is the same family.
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Eliza is in the 1851 and 1861 census living with her own family, but her husband is not at home. In 1871 she is described as a widow, so presumably William must have died between 1861 and 1871.
Do you have any more information about them?
William Johnston, 24, carter, is in the household of William Fish in the 1841 census, with Eliza Fish, 24 and Janet Johnston, 1 month old so presumably this is he with his wife and daughter, his parents-in-law and his sister-in-law. Is this where you got his DoB?
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Hello Forfarian, that is the only information I have about William. I can’t make out Eliza’s marital status in 1851 but I believe she says she’s a widow in 1861. I have not been able to find an actual marriage record for William and Eliza.
So the one and only time I see William is in 1841.
But I do have a theory. In 1850, there is a William living with George Johnston born 1808 living in New York. William is 33 born in Scotland but the relationship to George is not given. George died Sept 3, 1883. George had married Jeanie Deward/Dow Orr Aug 29, 1835 in Ardrossan, Ayr, Scotland. George, a baker, and Jeanie are found in 1841 in Gorbals, Lanarkshire with children William, Elizabeth F., Hellen, and Jane A. These are the same children in the same birth order that are in Johnstown, Fulton Co. New York in 1850, along with William age 33. I don’t find William again.
But in 1875, William’s daughter Elizabeth now married to George J. Logan is living next door to George Johnston.
When George died in 1883, his age was 75 years five months 24 days so I work that back to April 10, 1808. I found the birth of a George Johnston, April 24, 1808 in Chirnside and his parents were George Johnston and Elizabeth fish and he named his first daughter Elizabeth fish Johnston. So my theory is that George was born in Chirnside and William is his brother, but I can’t find William’s birth.
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So are you saying that both George and his brother William married (two different) Eliza(beth) Fishes? And that William left his wife in Scotland and went to the USA with his brother's family?
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No, George married Jeanie Orr but his mother was possibly Elizabeth Fish, and his first daughter was Elizabeth Fish Johnston. And William is possibly his brother who was in Johnstown, Fulton Co., New York in 1850. William's last child was Margaret born Apr 23, 1848 and she married Alexander Nesbit Telford in 1872 in Chirnside before emigrating to New York in 1906 and she died in Hastings-on-Hudson in 1923. William's oldest child was Janet Fish Johnston, born in 1841, named after her grandmother Janet Fish, and she died in Feb 16, 1917 in Yonkers, Westchester, New York. William's daughter Elizabeth Logan died in 1913 in Yonkers. William's nephew William died in 1918 in Yonkers.
So 3 of 4 of William's children ended up in New York as did possibly William himself and William's nephew. So it could be possible that William and George are brothers. Yes, I think William left his wife in Scotland.
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Background information from the USA thread.
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