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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: didowells on Monday 11 February 08 19:11 GMT (UK)
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Please has anyone any information on either of the above families? I have a John Frizelle of Ballycastle Co Mayo married to a Caroline Matilda MacNeice. I am led to believe that their son George was farmed out when his mother died to a Bishop MacNeice. Any info would be welcome or ideas as where to search.
Di
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As far as I know Frizelle (various spellings) is supposed to be a French Huguenot name.
The information that might be available to search in Ireland depends on the dates involved. Any idea when George was born, etc.?
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This caught my interest because of Louis MacNeice - found this
http://www.artscouncil-ni.org/departs/all/report/MacNeice%20House%20doc.pdf
his father was Bishop MacNeice and originated in West of Ireland
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Hi
George Frizelle was born about 1886. When he was old enough he enlisted in the Royal Engineers and fought in WW1. I have just downloaded his pension records. I think his father and at least one of his brothers served in the RIC. I have found quite a lot on the web about Louis MacNeice but not much about his parents. Didn't know Frizelle was a Huguenot name.
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was it definitely Ballycastle, Mayo and not Ballycastle Antrim. Where was George born - or where did Caroline die?
I would say you need to check censuses in Northern Ireland if possible if you think that's where he was sent to.
MacNeice became Bishop much later than your dates so it is perhaps not quite so.
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Hello Di,
I have seen the record and have been searhing to no avail!
Interested too because Ballycastle is just a few miles from my dad's place in Mayo.
The record says Cloughton, Ballina but I can't find a reference to that anywhere. There's a Cloghan.
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Looks like my timing is a bit out. Please can you tell me how to search the NI census. I'm pretty sure it was Ballycastle, Mayo. Sorry - don't know when Caroline died. I will keep looking.
Di
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As I said looking at his WW1 record he enlisted in Mayo.
Family Search (IGI) has a submission by a church member for A Frizelle b 1890 - father John H Frizelle, Ballycastle.
http://www.mayomemorialpeacepark.org/the_wall/wall3.html
has two Frizelles from WW1 who I thought may be yours. Commonwealth Graves site has
William Robert Frizelle born around 1875 -father is Robert of The Glen Ballycastle- surely related?
A Frizelle born 1890 - father -John H Frizelle, Ballinglen Ballycastle.
(same person as IGI) so that looks promising.
The 1901 census site - http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census/ doesn't seem to have any Frizelle or variations around Ballycastle.
I have looked for Church of Ireland Ballycastle- much of Irish records is sparse at the best of times but I can't find any reference online.
If you are close to a Family Search library (Latter Day Saints (Mormon) Church) you can often access BMD indexes for Ireland so you could get George's birth record. Northern Ireland census would also be available there but I think that is only if you think that George was sent to a MacNeice (Bishop or otherwise there).
Will keep thinking.
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Ancestry has references to RIC-
Frederick J Frizelle 19 yrs birthplace Mayo enlisted 1901/ died 1922 and gives a Film reference no.
There are a couple more born Sligo.
Leitrim Roscommon 1901 census site has
George 34 yrs (wrong age for yours) sgt RIC in Roscommon and family (a George born Sligo enlisted 1885 aged 19 yrs)
William Frizelle 77 yrs ex sgt RIC with family in Sligo. Thsi chap has a grandson Archibald 11 yrs born Mayo which may tie in with Archibald 18 yrs enlisting in 1877 and Wm R 17 rys enlisting in 1881 - both Sligo - perhaps sons of William snr.
I'm getting confused now!
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Please can you tell me how to search the NI census. I'm pretty sure it was Ballycastle, Mayo.
The 1901 census site - http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census/ doesn't seem to have any Frizelle or variations around Ballycastle.
If you are close to a Family Search library (Latter Day Saints (Mormon) Church) you can often access BMD indexes for Ireland so you could get George's birth record. Northern Ireland census would also be available there but I think that is only if you think that George was sent to a MacNeice (Bishop or otherwise there).
Think there's now some confusion here between the Ballycastle in Co, Mayo and Ballycastle in County Antrim.
Northern Ireland was formed at the time of the partition of Ireland in 1920s- at time of 1901 (and 1911 census) Ireland was all one country.
1901 census is available through LDS but you have to know where the person lived to order the microfilm. Most LDS libraries will not have the Irish records in stock so best to check what's available at your local library.
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sorry that's me. The Northern Ireland references I am making is because Di thought that George was sent to Bishop MacNeice who was bishop of Down. But now there is a possibility that the time sequences are out.
That's why I initially queried re the two Ballycastles.
It now transpires that Ballycastle Mayo is the right one.
I am wrong though in thinking that the records are separate now- the census was as you say for the whole of Ireland and therefore has not been separated over the years?
Apologies.
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Ancestry has references to RIC-
Frederick J Frizelle 19 yrs birthplace Mayo enlisted 1901/ died 1922 and gives a Film reference no.
http://www.policememorial.org.uk/Forces/N.%20Ireland-other/N.Ireland_1800-1922.htm
shows a Sgt Frederick J Frizelle killed 1922 in Londonderry. If it's the same as the above one he the Mayo born one.
But I am getting far from Di's orignial query re MacNeice/Frizelle.
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1901 census for all Ireland available through LDS libraries (also 1911 if you are not in UK). National Archives in Dublin is putting 1911 (and then 1901) online for all Ireland eventually- started with Dublin 1911 in Dec.2007. See their website for further details, list of order census records will be added, etc. (County Mayo is 10th on the list):
www.census.nationalarchives.ie
Some records for the six counties of Northern Ireland are at PRONI, Belfast (they have Ulster Covenant and partial Wills index online now).
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Hi - I'm back. Have been trying to get myself sorted out with these Frizelles and where they were born. Unfortunately we don't live near an LDS Library.
As already pointed out, on the IGI we have:
John Frizelle birth about 1855 of Sligo married Caroline Mc Ness about 1878 Sligo
William Robert Frizelle born 16 Oct 1879 Ballina Sligo (parents John & Caroline)
A Frizelle born 1890 Ballycastle, Mayo (parent John H)
My George Henry Herbert Frizelle was born about 1886 Ballina, Co Mayo
I have two CWGC records:
A Frizelle son of John H died 1916 aged 26
William Robert son of Robert died 1918 aged 43 (so he can't be the same William Robert but must be related!)
On George's pension papers (?1904) it says his father was John of The Glen, Ballycastle, Co Mayo. Two brothers, William of ? England and Fred (?Alfred) RIC Belfast.
I think I am going to have to call it a day regarding these people. Unfortunately I have left it too late to ask any relatives! I have scoured the web for reference to MacNeice - there is an awful lot about Louise but nothing very substantial about his family.
Thank you very much to all of you that have tried to help.
Di
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Hi,
Just wondering if you're still working on any of this or have left it so? I'm in Wexford and am doing a lot of research lately, and while I can't see a connection between any of the Frizelles you have named and what I have on my own family tree, maybe there is something that I'm overlooking.
I've set up a website, www.frizellefamilytree.com, where I've made available a lot of what I've found out. If you would like to have a look, maybe we could be some help to each other.
All the best,
Jennie.