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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: g.clarke4 on Monday 11 February 08 16:34 GMT (UK)
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Hi. I'm new to rootschat and would be grateful for any information on Mary Ann Sinnock. I now she married James Hart at St Mary's Chapel, Hastings in April 1845 and her father's name was Thomas Sinnock, but I would really like to find out who her mother was. I am trying to progress back through the distaff line of my paternal grandmother so you can see my problem! Many thanks. Graham.
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Hi Graham
Welcome to Rootschat and especially the Sussex Boards.
Mary Ann Sinnock was baptized in All Saints Church, Hastings on 26th June 1804 - daughter of Thomas & Jane
There are several other children in the baptism registers to Thomas & Jane - do you want them all?
Chris in 1066
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Hi again
It would appear that this is the only Thomas marrying a Jane in Hastings
Sussex Marriage Index:
Location: Hastings All Saints, East Sussex, Date: 22 Nov 1796:
Groom: Thomas SINNOCK
Bride: Jane THATCHER, widow by licence.
Chris in 1066
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Hi again
Here are the other children:
Elizabeth 4th October 1797
Jane 18th Jan 1801
Mary Ann 26th June 1804
All girls, and the first one ties in nicely with their marriage in Nov 1796
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris,
Many thanks for your speedy response. I would be grateful for any info you have on Thomas and Jane and their children. I note from your message that Jane was a widow at the time of her marriage to Thomas. Are there any clues as to her former marriage and do you think Thatcher was her maiden name or previous married name?
Regards
Graham
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usually Thatcher would be her previously married name so you need to look for a marriage for Jane ..... to Mr Thatcher
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i have a couple of Sinnocks in my tree but they are very remote and have not been checked
Thomas Sinnock m. Mariah Geal 06.05.1809 (Hastings?)
William Sinnock m. Francis Foster i think at HAstings i have an estimated year of birth of 1765
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Hi Toni. Thanks for your reply. You Sinnock links don't ring any bells at the moment but I have only recently come across the link to my dad's tree. If I come across either of your links I'll get in touch. Thanks for the advice about Jane - I'll try LDS and see if I can pick up a clue.
Thanks again
Regards
Graham
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re the Sinnocks in my tree that is all the info. i have and that is very scracthy as the link to myself be extremly remote.
i wonder if anyone can look on the SMI for Jane's first marriage.
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Toni
i wonder if anyone can look on the SMI for Jane's first marriage
That had already been done
Graham
When I answered your query yesterday, I had checked the marriage indexes for any female named Jane marrying a male by the surname of Thatcher, especially in or arouind Hastings - there are two; but as they are in 1643 & 1683 - both are over 100 years to early!!
So, if Jane did marry a Thatcher, then it must have been just outside the boundaries of Sussex.
Chris in 1066
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Chris,
Many thanks for checking Jane and the Thatchers. Looks like another needle in a haystack!
Regards
Graham
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so you would then assume as Chris has said that Jane came from out of the boundaries of Sussex, i don't think they have changed greatly over the years.
did she survive long enough to be onthe 1851 census?
simply because they were in Hastings area i would start with Kent as opposed to another County, it being the nearest.
Toni
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Thanks for the tip Toni. I have some of the 1851 Census indices for Sussex so will check them out before contacting the Kent rootschat/list.
Regards
Graham
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Hi Graham
Did a good search of the 1851 census in and around Hastings but with no luck, then did a search of my MI databases (work done by myself between 1994 and 2008)and found the following
St Helens Church, Ore
Memorial No 0033
Sacred/ to the memory of/ Jane/ the wife of/ Thomas Sinnock/ who departed
this life/ December 16 1820/ aged 56 years/ also of/ Thomas Sinnock/ who
departed this life/ January 4 1854/ aged 78 years
There is a picture attached that I took in 2006 - will try and get a better one for you
Hope this helps
Chris in 1066
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Chris,
Thank you so much for the data and the photo, and for taking so much time on this. Interesting that Thomas and Mary Ann were both buried at Ore.
Regards
Graham
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Toni*,
Thomas Sinnock married Sarah Geall on 6 May 1809 in Ripe, Sussex. Thomas was my 4th cousin 5 times removed. He was the son of James Sinnock and Elizabeth Weller.
I can provide details of Thomas's ancestry if you send me a PM.
Regards
Mark
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Hi Mark,
Noticed your message toToni regarding Thomas Sinnock and wondered if there was any link to my Thomas who was a farmer and married Jane Thatcher, widow in 1796? Thomas was given as a farmer on his daughter's birth cert in 1845.
Regards
Graham
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Hello Mark,
Sorry, my last should have read 'his daughter's marriage certificate'
Graham
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Graham,
I can't give you any definitive help, bu can provide some food for thought. Based on the 1851 census records, it seems that Thomas Sinnock was born in Catsfield, Sussex in about 1775. From what I can tell, there were very few Sinnocks in Catsfield. The following family may be related:
Elizabeth Sinnock; chr 4 Jun 1771 in Catsfield
Thomas Sinnock; ch 13 Jun 1773 in Catsfield
Ann Sinnock; chr 23 Jun 1774 in Catsfield
Catherine Sinnock; chr 18 Jun 1777 in all Saints, Hastings
All of the children were listed as belonging to Elias Sinnock and Elizabeth
Elias Sinnock married Elizabeth Thatcher in Ore, Sussex on 29 Oct 1768.
Elias was my second cousin seven times removed.
The dates don't quite match, but it looks like a lead worth persuing. The next step would be to have somebody look at the Catsfield Parish records for Sinnock baptisms.
A search of www.a2a.org.uk may be helpful. If you search for Sinnock and Thatcher (you need to use the "and") you will see several records that show that Sinnocks and Thatchers were involved with one another in the right area in the right timeframe.
All circumstantial, but interesting nevertheless.
Regards
Mark
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Many thanks Mark. Will pursue the Catsfield angle as you suggest and get back to you if there is link. Thanks again for your help.
Regards
Graham
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Please forgive me if I am doing this in a clumsy way. I am new to RootsChat.
In the 1990s I corresponded with a Sinnock in the USA who was doing a lot of Sinnock genealogy. He sent me a "hard copy" of his tree. I know that he did a lot of research, but he also received sub-trees (if you will) from other Sinnock descendants and added them into his tree if there was a common ancestor. I doubt that he had time to validate all his entries before I lost contact with him in the late 1990s. So I offer the following from his tree because a lot of it matches the information in this thread, but with the caveat that I do not know for certain how much of it is accurate. Nevertheless, even if it has some errors, it may provide some ideas for more searches. It also suggests to me a possibility as to why Mary Ann Sinnock has been a bit elusive: there are two of them. OK, so only one is the daughter of Thomas and Jane.
Thomas Sinnock b. May 30,1757 Hailsham, East Sussex
+ Jane Thatcher b ABT 1775 Sussex or Kent d 1820 Hastings, East Sussex
Elizabeth Sinnock b. October 04,1797 Hastings
Jane Sinnock b. January 18, 1801 Hastings
Mary Ann Sinnock b. June 20, 1804 Hastings
Thomas Sinnock b. 1806 Hastings d. Aft 1861
+ Ann ? B. ABT 1804 Winchelsea, East Sussex
James Thomas Sinnock b. June 18, 1833 Hastings d 1910 Hastings
Mary Ann Sinnock b. February 04,1837 Hastings
Elias Sinnock b. January 11, 1839 Hastings d. 1864 Lost at sea.
Jane Sinnock b. ABT 1842 Beckley, East Sussex
Robert Sinnock b ABT 1845 Beckley
In addition to this information, Thomas ( b 1757) is listed as the son of
James Sinnock b. July 15, 1732 Westham, East Sussex d. January 10, 1813 Hailsham
+ Sarah Marshall b October 07,1733 Hailsham d. November 13,1811 Hailsham
Thomas Sinnock b. May 30,1757 Hailsham [see above]
James Sinnock b. August 11 1758 Hailsham d. November 1839
+ Elizabeth Weller b. June 28, 1759 Hailsham d. February 1830
John Sinnock b. July 04, 1764 Hailsham
Elizabeth Sinnock b. March 23 1766 Hailsham
Samuel Sinnock b. October 28, 1770 Hailsham
Henry Sinnock b. September 13, 1778 Hailsham
+ Mary Wood b. ABT 1780 Kent
... And this is my tie-in. Henry and Mary are my ggg Parents.
John
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Sorry, that last line should have said
Henry and Mary are my ggg Grandparents.
John
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My Great, Great Grandmother Annie Evans nee Hyland had a newspaper clipping from the St Leonards Hastings Gazette dated 1/1/1897 Obituary Assocaitions that mentions the The Harveys, The Sinnocks and The Thatchers.
It mention Mrs Jane Havey nee Sinnock was born on the 1/1/1801 died in her 87th Years, she was baptised at the Church of All Saints"Hastings on the 18/1/1801 and died the widow of Anthony Harvey on the 12/6/1887 aged 86. Jane married Anthony harvey on the 24/2/1824. Anthony died on the 9/3/1868 aged 87
Mary Ann born 25/5/1804 bapisted at All Saints on the 24/6/1804 and still living widow of James Hart in her 53 years
Elizabeth born on the 3/9/1797 in the Parish Ore and lived in Hastings, died on in Jan 1878 in her 81st year.
Elizabeth Sinnock married Thomas Catt and was Annie's Grandmother. Her father James Hyland was born Anthony Catt but for some strange reason changed his name on arrival in Australia.
Sherree
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Many thanks for that Sheree,
Lots of food for thought. Will look through it all and get back to you. Thanks again
Graham
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Is anyone still here? I think I recognize the lists John posted. About Jane Thatcher, I have an obscure source that indicates Jane's father is Robert (not necessarily Thatcher) and that he owned three cottages in Hastings. Can anyone say anything about that?
Thomas, Jane's husband, has a long line which, by at least one line of reckoning, extends back to Eastbourne in the middle 1500's. For the Sinnock ancestors I would love to confirm, or at least agree to the same lie, about their story. I am pretty sure many if not most Sinnocks can trace back to the Eastbourne and perhaps Hastings areas in, at least, the early 1600's. The name is so rare that searches are mostly fruitful if there are any hits at all. So if there are any delvers into the Sinnock line still out there, I would love to hear from you.
Scott