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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: angelbaby69nz on Sunday 10 February 08 05:46 GMT (UK)
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Hi there,
Ive just started out on my partners family tree.
I have back to late 1700's
John Taylor born approx 1784 married Mary Fyfe. They had John (b.1806) Robert (1808) Jane ( 1808 - twin ) William (1811) and James ( 1814 )
Im trying to find John Taylors parents names. John and Mary resided in ceres, fife, Scotland.
Any help would be great, i cant seem to get past here.....??
Thanks!
TIsh
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hello fellow chatter the igi shows extracted parish records for the following children to john taylor and mary fyfe
mary nov 17 1800
david apr 17 1799
john feb 16 1806
james june 8 1814
william aug 21 1811
the igi also shows extracted record for their marriage on nov 22 1798 in leuchars fife scotland parents david taylor and elizabeth smart, it also shows three children john, sophia, and elizabeth. johns death july 27 1856. hope this helps beans
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HI
Thanks for that! :)
Im a little stuck with Scotland research....how would i go about finding records for David and Elizabeth, to try and locate their parents.
:)
Regards
Tish :)
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hi fellow chatter i use the igi and i also subscribe to ancestry it has alot of old parish records same as scotlands people but your best place to start would be scotlands people find the birth or death of your john then keep going backwards from the info the certificate. it usually lists parents and the witness who reported the death also usually a relative. their are a lot of nice people on here who really know what they are doing and what to look for who might do a lookup for you. beans
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hi tish also if there is anything else that you think i might be able to find in the ancestry data base let me know and i will search for you. just send me a pm with the info and ill see what i can do. i tried scotlandspeople site but am not good navigating through their files and since a lot of the records have spelling variations you could spend an awful lot of time searching and still not a ccomplish anything, like my main line is drylie to date there is drylie dryalie dryelly drylaw drylay and probably more i havent come across yet. beans
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Hi Beans
Thanks for all your help!! i REALLY appreciate it! :)
:) i have recently subscribed to Ancestry.com am currently navigating my way around the site.....its all very daunting.
I would like to somehow find out who David Taylor and Elizabeth Smarts parents are....if it all even possible....
Tish
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Hi Tish
I always start with the IGI because it is free 8)
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
I have found it has a good coverage for my families - many from Fife
If I can't find someone on the IGI, I then go to ScotlandsPeople. If you haven't used it before, it is very worthwhile to read all the hints - as you can waste some money looking at the wrong records, or getting minimum results from a search when you can get 25 per page - and a page costs 1 credit, be it 1 result or 25 results!
Some threads to read
Where to start in Scotland - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
SP searching - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,43916.0.html
If you can't find something on SP - post a query, some folks try hard to hide - there are some very good SP searchers on RootsChat :)
If there is NO record for a parish birth/marriage on Sp then
- it may be earlier than available records - check here
http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/famrec/index.html
- your birth/marriage may have been recorded in a church other than the Church of Scotland
- your birth/marriage may not have been recorded anywhere
I haven't found alot of useful bdm information for Scotland on ancestry, but I tend to prefer SP (despite pay to view - if I find it, I know it is the best available) so go there first
When looking for the parents of your couple, it can be useful to look at the full image of the marriage (at SP or an LDS centre if they have the film). This may indicate the current parish of the bride and groom & given the times, it was common to stay in one's parish. Did either of the couple live past the 1851 census OR 1855. 1851 may give a birth location & a death post civil registration should give the parent names. Although there is transcribed census data on ancestry, some of the transcriptions are very suspect. If you think you have found your folks it could be very useful to access the images from SP.
Trish
Edit: sorry I just noticed bg has found some parents - although I am slightly confused as to where? There is an extracted birth record on the IGI
John Taylor chr April 1781 Collessie, Fife - does this link to John and Mary?
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hi again.
im a little confused to your edit post.....
also: how reliable is the igi?
Tish.
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Sorry Tish - I think I sometimes confuse myself
1. The edit relates to the comment from Beans
"the igi also shows extracted record for their marriage on nov 22 1798 in leuchars fife scotland parents david taylor and elizabeth smart"
I don't know where the remark re the parents david taylor and elizabeth smart came from - they are not mentioned on the extracted IGI record - although there is a separate IGI record with them as parents.
2. Extracted IGI records are very reliable. They are usually taken from church records - main concerns are transcription errors which can happen with all online transcriptions. But they are usually good.
Submitted IGI records are only as good as the research of the submitter (about which you have no idea) & often useless. When looking for your information there is one record which says John was born 1793 and married c. 1800 - not likely for a 7 year old to be married - so the record is nonsense.
Trish
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hi tish a clarification.... the igi listed extracted marriage. there is a center within a mile of my house i went looking for info off of the films for my own tree and wrote the info from your post and took it with me the microfilm lists the parents as david taylor and elizabeth smart. there are items on the microfilm that is not online. i found the bans of marriage for my 3x greatgrandparents there. on that record i also found out that christina could not write her name as it states her x was witnessed by. so there is more info available if you make the trip to one of the centers. peter and christinas marriage is what help me connect them to their families because the online records for peter list his name as drylaw his marriage bans list drylie and also his parents. so just like trish says the info is out their unless it predates actual record keeping. beans
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Fantastic! thanks heaps, i will look into where the nearest centre to me in NZ is.
HEy thanks so much for your help. much appreciated!
Tish
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hi tish a clarification.... the igi listed extracted marriage. there is a center within a mile of my house i went looking for info off of the films for my own tree and wrote the info from your post and took it with me the microfilm lists the parents as david taylor and elizabeth smart. there are items on the microfilm that is not online. i found the bans of marriage for my 3x greatgrandparents there. on that record i also found out that christina could not write her name as it states her x was witnessed by. so there is more info available if you make the trip to one of the centers. peter and christinas marriage is what help me connect them to their families because the online records for peter list his name as drylaw his marriage bans list drylie and also his parents. so just like trish says the info is out their unless it predates actual record keeping. beans
Hi beans
It is really helpful that you found the information - can I suggest that you do explain where it comes from when describing - tis important for most of us to keep track of sources & know that they are reliable - and the parish films from the LDS are very reliable 8) - The extracted IGI records are simply an index to the films & as you say, the films often(usually perhaps) contain more information. Thanks for the clarification
Trish
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I think that we may have common Taylor ancestors!
I am a descendant of Euphemia Taylor, daughter of Agnes Gold and James Taylor, married 23 Nov 1844 in Ceres, Fife, Scotland.
Could this James be the son of John Taylor and Mary Fyfe?
I hope there is a connection.
Regards.
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TunjiLees,
Many thanks for your post!
I have looked through the Taylor millions ancestry book, but cant seem to find any information included on Euphemia Taylor or Agnes Gold.....
I have my James Taylor marrying a Betsy Morrison, My James was born in 1814.
Its not to say that your James isnt athe son of one of My James older brothers/sister
Ill keep reading, is there any other names that you could give me? Are you trying to locate the names of James Parents? Ill also check Ancestry.com and see if i can find anything.
Cheers
Tish
I hope this is of some help.
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It could be a remarriage perhaps? I cannot find any offspring for your couple and surely both our Taylor's being from Ceres is not a coincidence.
I am trying to find as much information as I can on the ancestors of John Taylor and Agnes Gold. Here is the data on them and their descendants:
James Taylor, m. Agnes Gold - 23 Nov 1844 Ceres, Fife, Scotland
BETSY TAYLOR Birth: 10 APR 1846 Christening: 17 MAY 1846 Ceres, Fife, Scotland
AGNES TAYLOR Birth: 22 MAR 1848 Christening: 16 APR 1848 Ceres, Fife, Scotland
ISABELLA TAYLOR Birth: 22 MAR 1848 Christening: 16 APR 1848 Ceres, Fife, Scotland
EUPHEMIA TAYLOR Birth: 01 APR 1850 Christening: 16 MAY 1850 Ceres, Fife, Scotland
MARY ANNE TAYLOR Birth: 02 JUL 1853 Christening: 30 JUL 1853 Ceres, Fife, Scotland
JAMES TAYLOR Birth: 20 MAY 1855 Ceres, Fife, Scotland
JOSEPH TAYLOR Birth: 22 MAR 1857 Cameron, Fife, Scotland
GEORGE TAYLOR Birth: 13 JUL 1859 Leuchars, Fife, Scotland
JOHN GOLD TAYLOR Birth: 13 OCT 1861 St. Andrews And St. Leonards, Fife, Scotland
ROBERT TAYLOR Birth: 25 NOV 1863 Dairsie, Fife, Scotland
DAVID BERWICK TAYLOR Birth: 19 MAR 1866 Dunbog, Fife, Scotland
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I wouldnt think so, the 1861 census puts James Taylor birth year at 1823 and my James Taylor is 1814
Do you know the parents of your James?
Tish
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also, my James and Betsy came to NZ....
I think your James is the son of My james Brother or sister....which would work out date wise....?
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Census ages can be completely wrong but it seems the New Zealand thing rules that out :). Can you find either family in 1851 or 1841? I am still interested in finding a link, even if it is not directly through the parents of James Taylor.
Why are you asking me if I know the parents of my James? In my previous posts I was discussing the possibility of it being your John Taylor and Mary Fyfe! ~_~
The furthest I have traced that line back is to James Taylor and Agnes Gold.
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Why are you asking me if I know the parents of my James? In my previous posts I was discussing the possibility of it being your John Taylor and Mary Fyfe! ~_~
The furthest I have traced that line back is to James Taylor and Agnes Gold.
I think you should be purchasing your James' death certificate to confirm his parents' names. ::) Only then will you be able to, hopefully, link back to Tish's own Taylors.
hume24
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Why are you asking me if I know the parents of my James? In my previous posts I was discussing the possibility of it being your John Taylor and Mary Fyfe! ~_~
The furthest I have traced that line back is to James Taylor and Agnes Gold.
I think you should be purchasing your James' death certificate to confirm his parents' names. ::) Only then will you be able to, hopefully, link back to Tish's own Taylors.
hume24
The problem is that there are 4 likely candidates, as well as 3 less likely ones.
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The Taylor family linked to us is all set out in a book called 'The Taylor millions'
I just thought if you had any other possible information i could look it up for you in the book.
I can go back another generatation from John Taylor and Mary Fyfe.
The reason i was asking is not all lines that arent direct are complete, so if your James was the son of James brother or sister, then it could be fesable, given the dates etc that there is a connection somewhere.
For your future records if you happen to stumble on any other information:
John Taylor and Mary Fyfes children:
John Taylor b.23/2/1806
Robert Taylor b. 21/12/1808 - twin
Jane Taylor b. 21/12/1808 - twin
William Taylor b. 26/8/ 1811
and my James b. 8/06/ 1814 - married betsy Morrison.
At this stage, none of the information you have posted links to any information i have here, thats no to say it doesnt link at some point in another area.
Cheers
Tish
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Likely deaths for my James Taylor (places he has lived or had children born):
1883 TAYLOR JAMES M 63 CUPAR /FIFE 420/00 0113
1889 TAYLOR JAMES M 70 ST ANDREWS AND ST LEONARDS /FIFE 453/00 0072
1896 TAYLOR JAMES M 72 FORGAN /FIFE 431/00 0016
1904 TAYLOR JAMES M 82 ST ANDREWS AND ST LEONARDS /FIFE 453/00 0008
Possibly deaths I have for my James Taylor in Fife:
1876 TAYLOR JAMES M 58 TULLIALLAN /FIFE 397/00 0031
1887 TAYLOR JAMES M 70 INVERKEITHING /FIFE 432/00 0087
1897 TAYLOR JAMES M 74 BALLINGRY /FIFE 408/00 0053
Hopefully someone can narrow the list down by consulting census records.
Thank you.
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Hopefully someone can narrow the list down by consulting census records.
You can definitely rule out the pre-1891 ones. James and Agnes are visiting their daughter, Elizabeth, in 1891. I'll send you the full details through PM.
hume24
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I would say the last one would be your man. Given the 1861 census that has your Euphemia Taylor on it, puts James Taylors birth year at 1823.
Its highly unlikely to be the first two or the 1887 one either.
I would start with the 1897 death.
Good luck with your search.
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How is the searching going? is there anything that i can look up for you?
Tish
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Hello Tish,
I dislike spending 1£ to view a certificate, but I suppose I will pay for it if I am certain of the correct death for James. I'm still unsure which to go for because several of the possibilities I found most likely before, I now know are definately not him.
Perhaps you can try and find a likely James Taylor (perhaps in Kemback) and Agnes Gold (perhaps in St Andrews) in 1841?
Also, can you see if they are still around in 1901?
Thanks for the offer.
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No Problem!
Ill check it out and be right back. :)
Tish
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This was on the 1891 census...its all i have found so far
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Here James and Agnes are living/visiting their daughter Elizabeth who obv married into the gray family....
Ill keep checking...
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Thats all i could find....i hope i didnt miss anything.
Might be an idea to post a lookup for someone to double check to see if they are on the 1901 census.
:o) hope it helps a little.
Cheers
Tish
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Thank you.
If they are absent from the 1901 census then I would say the correct death for James would be the 1896 or 1897.
I have found the correct Agnes Gold however.
1894 GOLD AGNES TAYLOR F 70 KILMANY /FIFE 437/00 0006
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I ended up getting several deaths before I found the correct one:
James Taylor, ploughman, married to Agnes Gold, died 15 Jun 1896, aged 72.
Only one parent is listed as:
-Taylor, Domestic Servant, Deceased (no first name or sex is given)
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Hi,
James Taylor and Agnes Gold are my third in line great grandparents. James' parents names were Robert Taylor and Margaret Aitcheson. Roberts parents were William Taylor and Margaret Peatie.
akirby
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Hi,
I see that you referred to a book called 'the Taylor Millions' - can you tell me if this is highly localised or applies to Fife/Scottish Taylors? Mine are from Dysart in Fife.
thanks,
Siobhán
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Hi
I have just found this forum.
I am also related to the Taylor's
Euphemia Taylor b 1st April 1850 was the brother of my Great Grandfather
James Taylor b 10 August 1821 at Kemback, Fife
died 15th June 1896 at Woodhaven Scotland
married 23rd November 1844 at Ceres Fife
Agnes Goold (not sure of the spelling) b 15th May 1822 at St Andrews
died 9th July 1894 at Kilmany, Fife
James Taylor father is also James Taylor who
married 29th August 1891 at Dysart
Sopie McFarlane b 02 Feb 1794 at Cupar
Hope this helps
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hi tish.
i too have TAYLOR in my researching via
GEORGE BIRRELL md ELIZABETH TAYLOR bn 1815
in KIRKCALDY FIFE.
IF THERE IS A POSSIBLE CONNECTION LET ME KNOW
THANKS
ADRIAN
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Hi, I'm new to rootschat, but I think we are related. I have just come across your thread on John Taylor & Agnes Gold. Agnes was my great(x3) grand fathers wife. I am descended from her and have details of the James Taylor line (her husband) down to present day.
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Message for Tunijlees:
I have sent a personal message but I thought I would post on the main thread as well.
Agnes Gold(Goold) married James Taylor,their son James Taylor marries Sophia Isaac, their son James Taylor marries Mary Mclaren, their son was Robert Taylor who was my grandfather, is this part of any body elses tree?
from TAY
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Hi Tay
Yes I believe we are related my 2 x Great Grandfather was
James Taylor b10/08/1821 at Kemback (which I live 5 minutes away from now)
He married Agnes Goold on 23 Nov 1842 at Ceres
James Taylor son John Gold Taylor married Isabella Wallace Jack (the Jack family came from Dairsie, Fife)
Their Son Wallace Taylor (my Grandfather) married Mary Bell (they had two children Robert and Izzy (not too sure of the name)who then died and then married my Grandmother Helena Wilson.
Seaweed
I have a lot of information regarding the above
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Hi there
I am also a descendant of John Taylor & Mary Fyfe. I'm desperately trying to find the parents of Mary Fyfe. I'm not having much luck! Keen to share information or learn how you have gotten on.
Thanks
Ramai