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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: IndisVanyar on Friday 08 February 08 22:43 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information about a boating accident which led to the death of Phoebe Matilda Seymour, (nee Walker) wife of Rev. Rowe Milliken Seymour, sometime between about 1913 and 1925.
In Rowe's obit of 1961 it says "He was married to Miss Phoebe Matilda Walker of Independence, Alberta, and of this marriage one son survives – RMS of Port Arthur, Ont. Mrs Seymour died in a boating accident while conducting a Boy Scout camp at Lake Pelletier, Sask."
I can find no record of her death nor of her burial place - both of which I would like to add to our tree.
I would have expected that an accident involving a Boy Scout camp might have made the news in a local paper but living in the UK I am too distant to try their archives.
Nell
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Unfortunately i haven't the info you are after..but found this :
James Cooke Seymour B 1913 D age 2yrs 2mo 25 dys
North Orillia, Simcoe,Ont
Father Rowe Milliken Seymour
Mother Phoebe Matilda Walker
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http://vsgs.health.gov.sk.ca/vsgs_srch.aspx
Saskatchewan BMD index currently only has deaths up to 1917 - she is not listed.
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I have at last found a reference to her year of death - 1922 - on www.generations.on.ca - which should ease the search for a newspaper report. It also refers to her as of Gananoque so this may be another possibility to search.
Does anyone know the names of the newspapers local to Lac Pelletier so that I can try to access their archives please?
Thanks Kaz for the info. re. infant James Cooke Seymour. He was named for his grandfather who had died in 1902. He too was a Methodist minister, as were both of Rowe's brothers.
Nell
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Thanks for filling in the details of the boating accident. I am married to the grandson of Rev Rowe Seymour. The Rev's surviving son (also Rowe) was involved in the boating accident, as was his sister Alice. Rowe Jnr remembered the accident - told my husband that Rev Rowe tried to save them all but only managed to save his son. We have the Rev's bible from that time and know that it shook his faith to the core - he has written all the passages relating to keeping the faith in the face of loss on the back page. The Rev Rowe later remarried and had a daughter, however, there was a falling out between the Rev and his son that was never resolved so my husband grew up not knowing any family other than his parents.
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Rev Rowe Seymour and Phoebe Matilda had 3 children: twin boys James Cooke and Rowe Milliken and a daughter Alice. James Cooke died of 'consumption' when he was 2 and Alice drowned in the boating accident with her mother.
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Thank you Moragsey. Isn't it wonderful when brick walls crumble and fall. I had almost given up hope of adding this information to our tree. There are several degrees of separation between my line and your husband's but James Cooke Seymour's father James was brother to Thomas Seymour (b 1807 Groggan) and Thomas Seymour was my great great grandfather. What relation your husband and I are to each other I haven't quite worked out but my grandmother Maud (also a Seymour) seemed to be of the opinion that if you had Irish blood any relation, however distant, was automatically a cousin! If we can help you with your tree please ask.
With very best wishes
Nell :)
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Rowe's (husband) father gave him a written family tree. This is what we have:
Henry Seymour married Martha (nee Gibson), Antrim Ireland; James Seymour (Rev) of Groggan Antrim Ireland 15th October 1792 married Eliza (nee Milliken); James Cooke Seymour (Rev) or Portylenone Antrim Ireland 20th April 1839 married Eliza Rebecca (nee Lyons); Rowe Milliken Seymour (Rev) Northport Ontario Canada 14th June 1890 (?) married Phoebe Matilda Walker; Rowe Milliken Seymour (husband's father) Toronto Ontario Canada 17th May 1913 married Florence Grace Baker; Rowe Milliken Robert Seymour (husband) Sudbury Ontario Canada 20th February 1941 married me (Morag Lamont). How does this tie in with your records? We are both excited now - after years of trying to find information yours turned up when we were not really looking.
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I have a photo of Phoebe Matlida with Alice - and the twin boys if you are interested.
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I would love to see a photo of Pheobe (I understand from something I read that she was known as Tilly - I will have to scour my notes to see if I can find the reference) with her children. It will be interesting to see whether or not there is a family resemblence in the children with any of our side of the tree. I will send you my email address via a private message.
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I find in the notes that James Cooke Seymour was quite the scholar - wrote a book called Christ the Apocalypse - was married twice =
Spouses/Children:
1. Emma WILLIAMS
• Dr. William H. SEYMOUR
• Mary Eliza SEYMOUR+
• James Thomas SEYMOUR
• Samuel Baytor SEYMOUR
• Joseph Fletcher SEYMOUR
2. Eliza Rebecca ROWE
• Howard Perry Lyons SEYMOUR+
• Rowe Milliken SEYMOUR
• Edgar Orchard SEYMOUR
My husband's grandfather was from the second wife.
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Do you have any details of Samuel Baytor SEYMOUR's death and place of burial. He has been very elusive and I have not been able to locate either of these pieces of information, although it is some time since I last did a search.
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I have sent you a couple of private messages. Nell
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will scan the photos and post them to you.
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Samuel Baytor SEYMOUR
•Born: October 24, 1873, Nassagaweya Twp, Halton Co, Ontario, Canada 22
•Died: Bef 1881
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At long last I have found a reference to Phoebe's death.
This is the entry in The Lethbridge Herald dated 27th July 1921
"Mother and Daughter Drowned.
Regina July 23. Mrs R M Seymour and her daughter, two and a half years old, were drowned at Lac Pelletier, in the Cadillac district, south of Swift Current, on Saturday night. Both bodies have been recovered"
Now to find out their place of burial.
Regards
Nell