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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: nevis42 on Saturday 02 February 08 12:21 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help me? I am new to all this!
My g-g-g-grandfather was a William Wagstaff (1777) and he was married to a Sarah Pickard. They lived in the warwickshire area. Does anyone have any information on either of these two people?
Many thanks Sue
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Hi Sue,
Welcome to RC
Hope this is them in 1841 census Foleshill Warwickshire
William Wagstaff age 65 b Foleshill occ sawyer
Sarah age 60 b Warwickshire occ weaver
Sue
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Have you worked back to them from your parents, then grandparents and children, then great-grandparents and children?
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The William i have was born in 1776/77 and he was from coventry. He married Sarah Pickard and she died in 1826. In the same year William then married an Elizabeth Price. William died in 1850.
Their son Henry (sarahs) was born in 1815 and died in 1889
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Have you looked at the IGI www.familysearch.org
There are three William Wagstaffs baptised in Coventry. One in 1776, one in 1778 and one in 1779
Also a Sarah Pickard baptised in Coventry in 1777
Sylviaann
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My william could be the one baptised in 1776. I can find no other info on there connected to the william i have. Sarahs parents were a James Pickard and Elizabeth Price. I do not know the names of Williams parents
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Hello Sue
Unfortunately this hobby is not always easy.
How do you know his age? If that him on the 1841 census living in Coventry it says he was 65 but the age in that census is rounded down to the nearest 5 so he could have been aged 65-69
Perhaps you have his age from the death certificate. Unfortunately these are not always correct but a good guide.
How do you know he was born in Coventry. The 1841 census just says he was born in county and that is Warwickshire
Does he have any children with the same names as the parents listed. That can be an indication.
Can you tell us where you have got your information
Sylviaann
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i cannot recall where i got my info on william from now! I have bought myself a note book and intend to write down where all my info has come from. However i am also on GenesReunited and a John Wagstaff assures me that William was born in Coventry - i shall have to ask him how he knows this. He also tells me that Williams parents were also a William Wagstaff (c1750) and his mother was Mary Ryley but there is no date for her.
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What relation to you was Henry 1815-1889?
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Fond this burial plot which may be your William
William Wagstaff Age 88
Abode: Cox Street
Buried 22/02/1863
Square 144 Grave 17
Elizabeth wagstaff Age 68
Abode: Gosford Street
Buried 22/02/1863
Square 144 Grave 17
Emma Wagstaff
Abode: HArnall Lane Age 2wks
Buried 02/02/1868
Square 144 Grave 17
Emma Wagstaff
Abode: New Street Age 16
Buried 06/04/1856
Square 144 Grave 17
Grave purchased by William Wagstaff
Could possibly be yours but would need checking
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Henry Wagstaff was my g-g-grandfather, his daughter Catherine being my g-g-grandmother. I have an old photo of her but not sure how i put it onto the site.
Many thanks for the burial information - where is the burial site exactly? I also don't understand how William and Elizabeth were buried on the same date or why they were living at seperate address's. Any ideas on this and also how can i verifiy that this is them? Sorry for all these questions!
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Sorry Elizabeth was buried on 5/11/1871 ;D my mistake
Burial site is London Road cemetery Coventry
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Mystery solved ;D.
I don't suppose you know if this grave is still visable? Be nice to pay a visit if it is. Have you any idea when Sarah (his first wife) died or where she is buried?
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Sarh isnt buried there, it's hard to say if the headstone would still be there you could ring the cemetery they maybe able to help if you give them the square and grave number
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The William Wagstaff who died in Feb 1863, was my wife's gt gt gt grandfather. He is shown as living in Cox St in the 1861 census aged 86, so I'm pretty sure it's him. He was a Silk Weaver and was born at Stoke. His wife Elizabeth was 27 years his junior!
So many thanks to cov2811 for that info!
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It's wonderful to find so much info on your ancestors! Many thanks to you all for all your help
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Henry Wagstaff was my g-g-grandfather, his daughter Catherine being my g-g-grandmother. I have an old photo of her but not sure how i put it onto the site.
Nevis - it is quite straightforward - click the reply button as usual and then click 'Attach a photograph or image', then click the browse button to find the photo on your hard drive. When you've found it and selected it by clicking on it, click the button marked 'open' on the photo window. Then post as normal.
I'd like to see it anyway!
And by the way, if you want copies of the censuses for Wm Wagstaff 1841, 1851 and 1861, just ask me and I'll post them here or via PM or email as you wish.
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There is a Sarah Wagstaff Age 48 buried 9 Aug 1826 Holy Trinity Church Covenrty
no plot details though
Could this be your Henry??
Henry Wagstaff Age 73
Buried 24 April 1889 London Rd Cemetry
Abode: Thomas Street
Sqaure 138 Grave 21
Buried with
Elizabeth Wagstaff Age 70
Buried 16 Jan 1887 London Rd Cemetry
Abode: Spon Street
Sqaure 138 Grave 21
Joseph Wagstaff Age 30
Buried 26 June1866 London Rd Cemetry
Abode: Little Park Street
Sqaure 138 Grave 21
Percy Harold Wagstaff Age 10m
Buried 28 Nov 1900 London Rd Cemetry
Abode: Bishop Street
Sqaure 138 Grave 21
Sarah AnnWagstaff Age 3
Buried 25 Jan 1852 London Rd Cemetry
Abode: Little Park Street
Sqaure 138 Grave 21
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Here is an old photo of Catherine Wagstaff and two of her daughters - not sure of the year.
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Found out more on the photo! It was taken in Bristol Road coventry at Rhoda Jane's house. Catherine is the one seated and standing is Rhoda Jane and her daughter Florence Emily (b 1902). It was taken c.1920.
I would love to have copies of the census! Would you mind if i gave you my addess and you posted them to me? My photo copier appears to be playing up at the moment
Sue
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Sue,
I will post them to you if you wish. Don't post your address though as the mods will delete it. Send it to me via Personal Message.
Note that these are transcripts and not copies of the original censuses. All the info is there though.
Glad you managed to put up the photo!
regards
Leofric
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Nevis, you didn't come back to me, so I've decided to post them here for you. Note that the spellings of some names and also the relationships in the 1861 look wrong to me. Perhaps the enumerator was having a bad day! There is no such place as Haislering for instance!
1841
Living in Fleet Street, Coventry, St John & St Michael:
William Wagstaff, 60, Ribbon Weaver, born Warwickshire
Elizabeth Wagstaff, 35, Winder, born outside census county
Maria Wagstaff, 15, Winder, born Warwickshire
John Wagstaff, 11, Errand boy, born Warwickshire
David Wagstaff, 8, born Warwickshire
Elijah Wagstaff, 6, born Warwickshire
Caroline Wagstaff, 3, born Warwickshire
Emma Wagstaff, 1, born Warwickshire
1851
Living in Palmer Lane, Coventry Holy Trinity:
William Wagstaff, Head, 75, Weaver, born Coventry
Elizabeth Wagstaff, wife, 48, born Coventry
David Wagstaff, son, 19, Weaver, born Coventry
Elijah Wagstaff, 16, son, servant, born Coventry
Emma Wagstaff, daughter, 11, scholar, born Coventry
Ann Wagstaff, daughter, 2, born Coventry
1861
Living at 9 Cox Street, Court 12, Coventry St Michael:
William Wagstaff, head, 86, Silk Weaver, born Stoke, Warks
Elizabeth Wagstaff, wife, 59, Silk Winder, born Haislering unknown
Elijah Wagstaff, lodger, 26 Watchmaker, born Coventry
Mary Wagstaff, wife, 37, Silk Picker, born Bridgenorth, Shropshire
Cathealinar Wagstaff, lodger, single, 23, Silk Weaver, born Coventry
Maria Yardley, lodger, 11, born Coventry
Emma Wagstaff, lodger, 1, born Coventry
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HI Leofric,
I did reply via personal message so can't understand why you did not receive it - unless i did something wrong!
Could you please send the info again via my email address? It's nevis42@aol.com
Many thanks Sue
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Hello Sue,
I've just sent them by email. Checked my PMs - nothing there!
regards
Leofric
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Good morning/afternoon/evening
As its my first post, please forgive any unintentional breech of etiquette!
To introduce myself - my GG Grandfather was William Wagstaff of 1776 and then came Elijah of 1836, Harry of 1869 and finally Frank of 1904.
Real good to see that I'm not alone in terms of Wagstaffs ;)
I've found quite a few details of William and his second wife but, until I read the earlier posts) was quite unaware of his first wife and , of course, their subsequent descendants.
I'm still in Coventry - and was bought up only a matter of a mile or two of where most of the family of watchmakers and ribbon weavers lived.
Would really appreciate hearing from anyone who would help me increase my knowledge of the family history.
Thanks.
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Hello Viv,
and welcome to Rootschat!
I too was unaware of Wm Wagstaff's first wife, although due to the disparity in age between him and his 2nd wife Elizabeth I suspected he may have been married before.
My wife is connected to the Wagstaffs by William's daughter Caroline (born about 1837/8 but no birth registered that I can find). She married John Foster in Cov Register Office on 22/7/1862. She was 3 years younger than Elijah.
In the 1851 census Caroline is missing from the Wagstaff census of that year, but there is a Caroline Wagstaff living with the family of John Suddens, a watchmaker, in Spon St and shown as his neice, so there must be a relationship there though I haven't proved it yet.
You are welcome to any info I have on the Wagstaffs, though I don't think I have much more than posted on this topic.
But I'd be glad to help you if you state what you are looking for.
regards
Leofric
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Thanks for the welcome, Leofric
I found Caroline on the 1841 census - at Fleet Street. I think you're right about her living with another family. It seems quite common. Two children in my family from Broomfield Place were farmed out in the local pub!
It must have been cramped to say the least in the many Courts in the watchmaking district. Even I can remember - just before the Ring Road came - that the houses were tiny.
I don't need to look (yet) but are the Registry Office details easily available? Or did you have to go down the marriage certificate route?
Still very new to the ancestry game and learning all the time.....
Viv
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I don't need to look (yet) but are the Registry Office details easily available? Or did you have to go down the marriage certificate route?
Hello Viv,
You cannot actually view certificates at any Register Office. Only order certificates. You can though look at the indexes on FreeBMD.com or on Ancestry if you've a subscription.
I do have the marriage cert for Caroline Wagstaff to John Foster. It confirms that William Wagstaff, a weaver, was her father and that she lived in Cox St.
Did you manage to find out where Elizabeth Wagstaff was born? For that still eludes me. On some censuses she is shown as born in Cov, but on others as "outside census county" or the fictitious Haislering...
Anyway Viv, Rootschatters are a friendly lot, and if you've any queries or look-ups, don't hesitate to put them here and I'm sure you'll get lots of help.
regards Leofric
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Wow its amazing when rootschaters find they are recearching the same families. I am also researching Wagstaff but mine moved from birmingham to coventry so I know there is no link.
I have all the maps for the london rd cemetry and know the place well if anyone would like me to go there and look for headstones. So far I have gone there looking for about 6 but they were all plots with no stones. Will be happy to help
Denise