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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: ormus on Friday 01 February 08 14:32 GMT (UK)
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William Strother married Dec 1863 in Knaresborough (actually Killinghall I think) to a Sarah. Her last name is what I need. It does not appear in BMD index records. Any help getting this info as well as the witnesses of the marriage would be welcome. I could buy the record of course but I thought there might be a cheaper way!
Thanks, Geoff
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have you got sarah in any censuses
where was she born
what year was she born.
the reason i am asking this is that if william married a sarah in oct/nov/dec/ qtr. in knaresborough
there were 2.
sarah ann harper,sarah pickard.
if we knew where and when she was born we might be able to pinpoint which one of these it is
by looking at 1861 census.
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sorry to put a cat amonst the pigeons but i found this one in 1851
Sarah Swale 9 abt 1842 Daughter of James & Mary
born: Hampsthwaite, Yorkshire, England
Knaresborough
Boroughbridge
other family members
Alice Swale 7
James Swale 37
James Swale 5
Mary Swale 33
Mary Swale 9
Richard Swale 1
Robert Swale 3
Sarah Swale 9
Susannah Swale 11
bw Jo
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i think we might be at cross purposes here
the two sarahs i picked out got married in the same quarter and the same district as william strother.
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cannot see a sarah ann harper that would fit
there is however a possible in sarah pickard.
here she is in 1861
approx same birthdate as sarah strother in 1871 but different birthplace.
she is in knaresborough in 1861 though.
1861 census.
RG9/3205/54/17.
joseph pickard age 47. b. kirk deighton. occ. farmer. head.
rebecca age 47. b. stuton,yorkshire. wife.
sarah age 20. b. kirk deighton. occ. dressmaker.(unm) daughter.
alice pickard age 9. b. knaresborough. daughter.
james procter age 43. b. pannal,yorkshire. occ. platelayer. boarder.(wid)
james brown age 14. b. stuton. occ. house servant.
living at bogs lane,knaresborough,yorkshire.
i do think you really need to get the marriage cert. to be sure who he married
what i have posted is pure guesswork though perhaps an educated guess.
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The 1871 census shows them in Killinghall:
Albert Strother 2
Charles W Strother 5
Sarah Strother 29 b. Hampsthwaite
Thomas Strother 4
Willm Strother 36 b. Spofforth
In dec 1863 the page and volume are 9a 136, and only three names appear on that page none of whom are Sarah. Sarah Pickard and Sarah Harper are on different pages. I can look for Sarah Swale on BMD now I have a clue to a possible name, but we are in the middle of an ice storm here in Massachusetts so I expect to lose power any minute!
Thanks for your help,
Geoff
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1861 there are 4 possible sarahs born 1840-1844 in hampsthwaite
living within the reg dist of knaresborough
sarah swales b. 1842.
sarah lumley b. 1842.
sarah coates b. 1844.
sarah calverley. b.1840.
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Tons of Hampsthwaite info PR's, census transcriptions, etc on here
http://www.calverley.info/
just put your names into the search box
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HI
The 1901 census for William and his son Albert as having a relative with them
Alice Leak bn 1844 Hampsthwaite Widowed.
so maybe finding a Sarah with a younger sister by the name of Alice may help you solve the maiden name of Sarah.
Just for the record the Swale family shown above could fit.
There is a marriage of a Alice Swale to a William Leak(e) in 1866 Knaresborough, So it looks more promising now.
Here you go
Sept 1864 Pateley Bridge
William Stothart
And
Sarah Swale
Vol 9a
Pg 89
Wendy
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Thanks Wendy. I can now check stuff out as we have weathered the storm. Unfortunately there are no Sarah Swales in the Dec 1863 BMD, nor as far as I can tell any variation in spelling. I think I might have to buy the certificate, so if you are curious I will post when I get it.
Thanks again,
Geoff
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Ormus. For the time being forget about censuses. Search for the marriage certificate. This comes first. Gragareth.
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Geoff
Have you found your William and Sarah throughout the English census from Marriage to at least the 1901 census?
1871 as you posted it
1881 the surname is spelt as STOTHART and William is a Groom born SPOFFORTH
1891 the surname is still spelt as STOTHART and William is a still a Groom and is still born SPOFFORTH
1901 surname still spelt as STOTHART and William is still bron SPOFFORTH in this census this is where I foudn ALice Leak(e) nee Swales
If you forget for the moment the year of 1863 and look instead at Sept 1864 and look at spelling William's name as above STOTHART you will see what I am going on about.
;) ??? ;) ??? ;)
Wendy
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HI Geoff
Just to say that in the 1851 census his name is shown as STROTHART
So please allow for some spelling errors in transcription and just check out that Sept' 1864 marriage
Wendy
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Thanks Winston and Gragareth. You saved me a bundle of money (actually $10) and this is the answer! The spelling has been a curse on my research for a long time; in fact when William's uncle arrived in Manchester the name appears as "Scrouther"!
Thanks again,
Geoff
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I know that it was a while ago when you were asking for details of William Strother and his wife Sarah. I have a William Stother who married a Sarah Gale. Unfortunately I do not have Williams DOB or date of his marriage. William and Sarah lived in Ripon where he was a boot and shoe maker. He had at least 2 children - Susan and Elizabeth. DOB's for these are also unknown. I realised that the surname is slightly different but at the beginning of my hand written book the name started off as Strother and the family lived in various places including Killinghall, Ilkley, Armley, Beadale, Knarsborough and originally came from Wallington, Northumblerland. Do you have any more information of your family of Strothers. The book that I have was written in 1825 and goes back to 1709.
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I do not think we have the same person. My William married Sarah Swales in Pateley Bridge in 1864, and he was either shown as a servant or a groom in the census returns. His children did not include Susan nor Elizabeth.
I have been in contact with researcher in Yorkshire who mentioned that the family name originated in Southern Scotland but a branch emigrated to Yorkshire in the later middle ages.
There are lots of variations in the spelling of his last name. I have traced my branch of the family to Henry Strothard who was born about 1760 and was a laborer in Hampsthwaite between marriage in 1802 and his death in 1828.
Hope this helps,
Geoff
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Thanks for the info