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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: vjacks on Thursday 31 January 08 23:32 GMT (UK)
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Hi- William Henry Hobbs born Bristol 1850-married Jane L Walker 1878 had 4 children --Esther, Arthur, David & Leah, died 1901 in Kings Norton. William had a Brother David also born Bristol also moved to Kings Norton who was my Grandmothers Father. I have searched with no luck for a Birth Cert for William - I need to know his Mothers maiden name. Her Christan name was Esther. Anyone out there searching this Hobbs line??? I would appreciate if I could hear from someone . Thanks
Viv :)
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have you discounted this birth reg?
William Henry Hobbs
Jun qtr 1848
Bristol
11 163
on census his y.o.b. varies
Suz
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Thank you - yes I was advised the mother was not Esther. Appreciate your offer of help.
Viv
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Have you found all these on the 1901 Worcestershire census?
Birmingham Civil Parish: Balsall Heath
Eunice H Hobbs 24 Eunice May Hobbs 10 months Harry Hobbs 22 Harry Clive Hobbs 2
Alfred Elliott 25 Daniel Elliott 61 Arthur Hobbs 20 David Hobbs 18 Esther Hobbs nee Elliott 21 Leah Hobbs 17
Albert Hobbs 20 David Hobbs 52 Elizabeth Hobbs 52 Jane Hobbs 26
William Ballard 20 boarder Alice Hobbs 22 Arthur Hobbs 27 Arthur Hobbs 5 John Hobbs 2
Sister Oscar 20 Emily Evans 18 Mary Fowler 63 visitor Doris L Hammon 21 William Hammon 28 Frances Hobbs 17 George Hobbs 13 John Hobbs 18 Mary Hobbs 42
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The only Hobbs = Esther marriage I can find is Charles Hobbs to Esther Humphries/Sep.1837/Gloucester/11/293,but I think I found them in 1841-51.In 51 she was remarried >:(
Jim
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David's marriage:
Dec.1871/B'ham/6d/197
This will at least give father's name then we can look for him.
jim
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Found a death for Esther Hobbs/dec.1889/Aston/6d/153/aged 75
The age is about the same as the 1861 info. for Esther who is listed as 43.
Jim
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To Jim and Tricia who answered my Hobbs queries - Thank you Thank you- I had found some of them on the 1901 and I had checked the Marriages - and I have Davids Marriage cert and his fathers death date. What I am really after is the marriage of Esther to Thomas Hobbs about 1845-7. I have checked the BMDs and not found them. Was it compulsary to r egister the marriage by 1845?. I have sent for the BC of all the David Hobbs on BMDs for 5 years and none were mine and the 2 Williams I found were also not mine so I am wondering if it was too costly to register the births.Esther was a widow in 1850.
I really do appreciate the kindness of you all
Thank you so much
Viv
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Was it compulsary to register the marriage by 1845?.
It was compulsory for a marriage to be registered,but it wasn't compulsory to marry in the first place :)
They may not have.
Jim
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:) Yes Jim I had thought of that. I do know that she was 10 years older than him.The 1851 of Bristol Glos gives her as 38 and Thomas died in 1850 age 28. Only one child - David, is on the 1851 yet the death notice mentions her and 2 children. Thomas was crushed to death between 2 boilers in an accident at work. I have tried to get a Coroners enquiry but apparently they have been destroyed in a fire. I have'nt found a proper Obit just a little 1/2" blurb in the Bristol paper. There would be no Cemetery records as I have no doubt it would be a paupers grave.
Thanks for the input
Have a great day
Viv
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OK I give up,where did you get the 1851 census from.I can't find them. >:(
Jim
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Forget that.It's Hebbs :D
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:D Hi Jim - I found them in the Castle Precinct on Merchant st Esther is a Shoemaker age 38 David is 3. I made a copy of it as it is hard to read .
I guess I am really stumped on this one since I cannot find her maiden name,nor can I find Thomas Fathers name. ???
Have a great day
Viv
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I have checked the BMDs and not found them
Have you checked the free version or the full indexes.
Jim
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A possibility:
Jun 1846 Shoreditch
Thomas Hobbs m Esther Buckingham (one of the possible brides)
IGI
Esther Buckingham d David and Sarah Buckingham
b 1810 bap 1816 St Giles, Cripplegate
Richard
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Ditto
Gro ref.Shoreditch/2/408
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I think she was married before.
Esther Buckingham=John Miller/7/6/1829/St.Leonard's/Shoreditch
I have her in 1841 & her age is listed as b.1811 with her is a Sarah Buckingham. :D :D :D
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1841 cen.
The enumerator has all these in the same house but I'm not so sure
Christchurch Spitalfields
Sarah Thomas/35/toymaker
Thomas do/16/do
Sarah do/4
James? Buckingham/23/chainmaker
Sarah do/20
James do/3
Edward do/1
Mary Donell?/60/weaver
Thomas Rushman/20/costermonger
Elizabeth do/20
John Miller/35/chainmaker
Esther do/30
David/7
William/4
Eliza/2
Sarah Buckingham/1
All born in county.
:D :D :D :D
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There's something fishy going on here.I've found John Miller in 1851 in Shoreditch with:
David/16/Chainmaker
Eliza.12
James/2
John is listed as a chainmaker as in 1841
& Sarah Miller/34 listed as wife
Did Esther leave the family and run away with Thomas Hobbs her toyboy.
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There's a marriage for James Buckingham =Sarah Durrell ( see Mary Donell? 1841)
Bethnell Green/Mar.1838/2/4
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In 1851 Mary Durrell is living with James & Sarah Buckingham also they have a daughter Esther.I can't find a birth for James to the same parents as Esther but they do look like siblings.
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As Esther christening was after 1812 this will give father's name & occupation.
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:DHi Jim - I don't know if Esther was ever a Buckingham - I did send for theMarriage cert since I was sure it would reveal Thomas as her husband but of course that was not the case - so there is no sure way to know what Esther's name was before she appears with Thomas. But I do appreciate your efforts on my behalf. Thanks.
Have a Great day
Viv
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Esther Buckingham who married John Miller has nothing to do with your Hobbs line, Viv. Esther died in 1846 and John Miller married her younger sister Sarah (the wife in the 1861 census).
I don't know who the Esther Buckingham was that married Thomas Hobbs but she's not the same one who married John Miller.
I'm descended from Esther's brother James Buckingham (who lived with the Millers in 1841). Sorry I didn't see your posts earlier or I could have jumped in then to save you pursuing a red herring!