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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: mkftandc on Thursday 31 January 08 00:24 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
On my g grandfathers maariage certificate it states his address as 4 Mill Rd , Motherwell.The marriage took place in 1907 and I am trying to make a timeline of when the family moved to Scotland.
Frank O'Neill, 4 Mill Rd. , Motherwell- Railway Brakesman.
I tried on Scotlands People to look up the address and I must be putting in something wrong , as in parish or something.
What I want to know is if they were living in that home in 1901 or who owned the home. And if his parents were in the home also. On the marriage certificate it states this about the parents.
Frank O'Neill retired coachman
Catherine Feeney- deceased in 1904
I haven't been able to find a death date for her yet.
Help needed, Thank you,
Megan
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Do you have a birthyear and birthplace please?
People moved around a lot in those days and there are 6 years between the census and his marriage so it is easier to look for him alphabetically on the 1901 to see where (and if) he was in Scotland at that time
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Frank O'Neill born circa 1877 in Kilieigh, Co. Cork. Got married in Scotland at age 30 in 1907.
He married a Teresa Farrell , born in Ireland and was living at 230 Brandon St. Motherwell. She was 27.
I found her in the Census but not him or the Mill Rd address.
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The only Frank O'Neill with that profile is as follows:
Port of Menteith Perthshire
South Flanders Farmhouse
Frank O'Neill 24 b Ireland - ploughman on farm
Did he have a brother William as there is a William O'Neill 22 b Ireland also working on the same farm as a farm servant cattle man
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Yes he did have a brother William and a brother Thomas.
Does this say they were born in Ireland. ?
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Yes - as shown in my reply
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Sorry, just read over the post again. You did tell me that it said they were born in Ireland.
Thank you for looking that up. Could you please tell me where in Scotland is that address. Was it still in Lanarkshire ?
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Please read my reply - Perthshire
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Thank you for your help.
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Hi Megan,
It is possible that he was still in Ireland at the time of the 1901 census. In my 1912 Motherwell directory there is a Frank O'Neil, wagon worker, at Glassford St, and a Francis O'Neill, steelworker at Meadow Road.
In the 1922 directory there is a Mrs T O'Neill at 19a Glassford St and in the 1925 street directory there is a Frank O'Neil, wagon worker at 19a Glassford St. There is also a Robert Kay at this address but I'm guessing he is a boarder.
Strange thing is - I live in Glassford St, but it's all new houses now.
Mill Road is still here in Motherwell, the gas works used to be there when I was a child, so there was always a horrible smell. It is quite a long street, runs off of Merry St all the way down to Motherwell Mill on the banks of the river Calder.
Good luck with your research.
Lodger.
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Yes that is them.
On the 1927 ship manifest my g grandfather listed himself as a wagon worker.The contact in Scotland was his wife at Glassford Street.
He was married to a Catherine Teresa Farrell (Always called Teresa ).
From your directories it looks like between 1907 and 1912, they moved from Mill Rd to Glassford St , and lived there till they came to America in 1930.
Are there any directories for the years 1901-1911 ?
THe other thing I have to find out is if maybe one of those O'Neills was his father. His father was a Frank O'Neill and he was a coachman.
The son Frank O"Neill has been listed as a wagon worker and as a steelworker on different documents.
Thank you for the lookup , is this directory accesible online ?
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I'm not sure about earlier directories, I said I had the 1912 but it is in fact the 1911. (see picture below).
I have a few earlier ones, the one I have before the 1911 is the 1899 - 1900 History and Directory of Motherwell. This, and all the others I have only list businesses and "private residents", in other words, those who owned large houses, doctors, clergymen, factory owners and managers. The list is very short.
The 1922 - 1925 one I have is quite rare, I doubt it is on line (but who knows?) I dont think there is a copy in Motherwell Heritage Centre.
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The entry for 1925.
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Dear Lodger,
Thank you very taking the time to scan those photos for me.
If you have the time could you look up my grandfather at his address. He was born in 1905 and on his birth certificate it says that his parents lived at
Francis Flanigan, father, 54 Wellington Rd, Craigneuk,Wishaw. They lived there from 1904 to maybe early 1920's. Then I think they moved to Carfin Rd.
Or maybe my Grandfather moved to Carfin Rd by himself, his name was James Flanigan.
Thank you again,
Megan
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1922 directory - F. Flanagan, Campsie View, Carfin Road Craigneuk.
Nothing for 1925 either in Carfin Rd or Wellington St.
1911 directory - Edward Flanagan, ironworker, 7 Etna St Craigneuk.
1911 - Mrs Mary Flanagan, 176 Craigneuk St.
No sign of James in 1925 but if he wasn't the head of the house or eligible to vote then he wouldn't be listed.
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The 1922 Directory is them I remember seeing Campsie View on my great Aunts marriage registry.
Thank you for looking again !!
Megan
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Megan,
Seems we are researching many of the same Surnames, O'Neill, McMahon, Farrell and Kelly. Where in the US did they head to. Mine begin either in Alabama or Illinois and then spread out. The O'Neill's and McMahon both married Brannan sisters. Give a shout back if we have a possible match.
Dennis
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Hi Dennis ,
The O'Neill family in my line were from Co. Cork , Ireland ( the family thinks ).
2 O'Neills ( Bernard and Francis ) moved to Scotland . Francis married a Catherine Teresa Farrell in 1907 Scotland .
Francis O'Neill came to America without his family, and worked in Illinois area and the Michigan area for awhile . It wasn't until 1930 that his wife and children came to the US. They settled in NJ , NY area.
Francis is suppossed to be one of possibly 13 children . I am only definate about 4 of the boys names . Francis , Thomas , Bernard and William . The girls might be : Catherine . I haven't found any others yet .
The McMahon side for me is also part of the Farrell line .
Catherine McMahon married a William McPoland in Ireland ?
They had a daughter named Mary McPoland born circa 1846 in Co. Down
Mary McPoland married a Peter Farrell in 1878 in Co. Down .
they had 3 children . Their first child is Catherine Teresa Farrell who married Francis O'Neill ( mentioned above )
Now the Kelly part of my family is on both sides of my tree. My mother's maiden name is Kelly . Those Kellys are said to be from the Kilrush area of Ireland . That Kelly line settled in upstate NY area . ( Rochester , Syracuse, Ellicottville ).
The other Kelly side also goes with the Farrell line. Before Peter Farrell married Mary McPoland he was married to a Martha Kelly .
I also think Peter had a brother named James Farrell who married a Mary Kelly.
both marriages took place in Scotland .
If this fits with you let me know . You can PM me and exchange emails .
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Megan,
Seems we may not have a match, my Farrell's are Francis born around 1801 Ireland married to a Jane McGrudden. They had a had daughter named Jane born 1827 Ireland. Jane married a Patrick Brannan on 10/27/1849 in Stevenson, Scotland. I also have a Rosie Farrell married to a John McVey who would have been Patrick Brannan Grandmother. I have yet to tie the Farrell families together.
Again the O'Neill's were married to the Brannans and came to the US in 1906 and stayed in Illinois. The first round of O'Neill's was James born 1873 Coatbridge, Scotland to a Susan Brannan born 1871 Stevenston, Scotland. Susan being Patrick's sister from above. James O'Neill's father again James was married to a Sarah Kelly of unknown orgin at this time. I got the parents name from James and Susan's marriage record. I have another set of Kelly's beginning with James Kelly married a Mary Devine Ireland both born around 1810 or a little earllier. They had 2 sons I know of Constantine and Patrick born in Ireland between 1838 and 1848 in Donegal, Ireland. I am sure they had more children but have not found any yet. Patrick married Elizabeth Kennedy In Fife and Constantine married a Alice Hannawen 1870 Ruterglen. Scotland.
My McMahon was a Catherine and born around 1840 in Ireland. Her mather was Agnes Kelly and Patrick McMahon. She never married but did have 2 boys James and John out of wedlock.
Seems we have a bunch of names close but maybe a generation away. I will keep your info and if I found some closer links to the people I will give you a shout. that is unless you find something first.
Dennis
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Hi Dennis ,
That sounds good , I will do the same thing . Maybe with more research we will find a match somewhere .
Megan
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Hi Dennis ,
The O'Neill family in my line were from Co. Cork , Ireland ( the family thinks ).
2 O'Neills ( Bernard and Francis ) moved to Scotland . Francis married a Catherine Teresa Farrell in 1907 Scotland .
Francis O'Neill came to America without his family, and worked in Illinois area and the Michigan area for awhile . It wasn't until 1930 that his wife and children came to the US. They settled in NJ , NY area.
Francis is suppossed to be one of possibly 13 children . I am only definate about 4 of the boys names . Francis , Thomas , Bernard and William . The girls might be : Catherine . I haven't found any others yet .
The McMahon side for me is also part of the Farrell line .
Catherine McMahon married a William McPoland in Ireland ?
They had a daughter named Mary McPoland born circa 1846 in Co. Down
Mary McPoland married a Peter Farrell in 1878 in Co. Down .
they had 3 children . Their first child is Catherine Teresa Farrell who married Francis O'Neill ( mentioned above )
Now the Kelly part of my family is on both sides of my tree. My mother's maiden name is Kelly . Those Kellys are said to be from the Kilrush area of Ireland . That Kelly line settled in upstate NY area . ( Rochester , Syracuse, Ellicottville ).
The other Kelly side also goes with the Farrell line. Before Peter Farrell married Mary McPoland he was married to a Martha Kelly .
I also think Peter had a brother named James Farrell who married a Mary Kelly.
both marriages took place in Scotland .
If this fits with you let me know . You can PM me and exchange emails .
HI! I stumbled onto this from Google, I am descended from the Kelly's in Ellicottville New York, Thomas was my great grandfather. If you want any info, let me know :)
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irishtimbit -
Yes , I would absolutlely love to exchange information . I will send you a private message and exchange emails .
Megan
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Found this thread on Google searching "o'neill history coatbridge"
Quick intro
My Name David James O'Neill
Dob 21/11/1965
Birthplace - Wednesbury, West Midlands, England U.K.
Am looking into the O'Neill name and I know my grand father was born in Coatbridge Scotland.
Forrgive me as I have no info here but my father has some info regarding his father.
I will post more info once I get it from him
But what I do know
James O'Neill was my Grand Father - Lived in Coatbridge (more info will follow)
John Francis O'Neill is my father age 75 Born in Wednesbury West Midlands England U.K.
David James O'Neill (me !)
As you can see a lot of similarities are appearing regarding names
Does any of this match with others on here ?
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I am currently here in Scotland from America doing research for my Family the O'Neill's.. After reading all of your posts. Maybe I can be of some help.. I after spending many hours on-line.. finally made this trip over here and went directly to the Coatbridge, Scotland registers office.. They answered many of my long building questions. I was able to locate the birth certificate of my grand father Patrick John O'Neill, the address where he lived, the marriage certificate of his parents Catherine Murray O'Neill to Patrick O'Neill and both of their former addresses as to where in Scotland they lived prior to getting married. After getting their addresses we drove to them, found out that the Catholic church still is standing and is operational and still has records dating back to 1892 and has their own web site.. Needless to say I was thrilled.. Many O'Neills farmed here and were also Iron workers.. If anyone would like further info.. Please e-mail me at (*) Good Luck in your searches..
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Hi Theresa,
Thank you for your post, but I should warn you that you might want to take your email address off of the post, just in case. ( you don't want to get alot of spam )
There is a private messaging system on this site and people can reply to you from there or just put in a new post.
Now about my O'Neill line - I have found out that my O'Neills originally came from Rothfortbridge and Mullingar, Co Westmeath. My gg grandfather Francis listed on the 1901 Ireland census that he was born in Westmeath.
Through that clue , I have managed to get back as far as someone being born around 1740.
So if you find that your O'Neills are also from Westmeath, please let me know.
Thanks,
Megan
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Thanks Megan for the heads up..
I will let you know..
I use that e-mail only for this purpose and filter the spam.. I don't go on-line to this post site as I do my yahoo.. but thanks all the same..
I am off again to Coatbridge tomorrow.. we are five hours ahead here so have a great day..
I do know that my O'Neills also are from County Tyrone Omagh, they are of the same O'Neills from Coatbridge. I am hoping to head over there before my return..
Theresa
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Hi,
Constantine Kelly and Alice Hannaway are my great great grandparents. I have further details of his brothers and their children if you would like to contact me.
Louise
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Hi,
Constantine Kelly and Alice Hannaway are my great great grandparents. I have further details of his brothers and their children if you would like to contact me.
Louise
Alice Hannaway is the sister of my great grandfather Patrick Hannaway