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Hi everyone.
Iv'e been researching some of my family for around 2 years and have found lots of information thats pleased me.
The one that I have absolutly nothing on is my Grandad on my mothers side as I believe he was born in Ireland.
His name was William Patrick McDonald born c1900,his Father was Richard McDonald.He married Edith Dobson in newcastle in 1925.They were Catholics.
I have in my possesion an in loving memory card for a Richard McDonnell died 1932 and his wife Ellen McDonnell died 1934.
I don't know how these are conected but a Nellie McDonnell signed as a witness at my Grandads wedding.
Apart from this information I know very little.
Can anyone point me in the right direction.
Thanks
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Welcome to Rootschat!
You might try posting this on the Irish board. The records in Ireland are a bit tricky! :-\
meles
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Do I put in Irish Resources?Not sure where to post this.Thanks
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Here is Ellen's death:
Oct/Nov/Dec 1934
Ellen McDonnell
Newcastle T reg disr
ref 10b 30
one idea would be to get her death cert and see who registered it.
if Richrad McDonnell was her husband, then he is already dead.
It could be a son or daughter.
Who knows - it could be William Patrick McDonald!!
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(hi Meles, taking a break form Biddlecombes!)
orinoco -
Start a thread on "Irish - General", if yuo are sure yuo need to be looking in Ireland. I agree with Meles, Ireland will take specialist advise, many of us dont know where to begin!
but where did the info that he was born in Ireland come from?
if it is just family hearsay, I would be inclined to work backwards from what you do know, until something more definite comes up to confirm an Irish birth.
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Richard McDonnell was Ellens husband as he is on the card with his wife but where they fit in with my Richard McDonald I don't know?Also would be a different generation.
Thanks for getting the death of Ellen for me.
The reason I think Ireland is because Iv'e spoken to someone on email that knew him and said he was Irish ,my mother always said she had Irish cousins,she cried when my dad sang Danny Boy.
I'm not positive he was born in Ireland but I would think he was.
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Hi everyone.
Iv'e been researching some of my family for around 2 years and have found lots of information thats pleased me.
The one that I have absolutly nothing on is my Grandad on my mothers side as I believe he was born in Ireland.
His name was William Patrick McDonald born c1900,his Father was Richard McDonald.He married Edith Dobson in newcastle in 1925.They were Catholics.
I have in my possesion an in loving memory card for a Richard McDonnell died 1932 and his wife Ellen McDonnell died 1934.
I don't know how these are conected but a Nellie McDonnell signed as a witness at my Grandads wedding.
Apart from this information I know very little.
Can anyone point me in the right direction.
Thanks
Hello
I have a marriage certificate William Patrick McDonald (Father Richard McDonald)wed Edith Dobson ( Father William Asquith Dobson)18th Aug 1925, witnesses John Dobson Edith's brother and Nellie McDonnell. New to this site is there a way to PM you as I may know you
Thanks
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pmd you and yes we must know each other if you have my Grandads wedding certificate?
Moira
Not sure if you have to post more than 1 message/post on here before you can pm someone or not?
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Lodgerman needs at least 2 and preferably 3 posts before access to the PM system is enabled. Just reply here a couple of times.
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thanks for the info we have contact already as we are cousins but he wasn't sure it was me.I think he has now sussed it is me as we have email contact.
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Hi,
The death of Ellen found by Lizdb shows her age to be 69, and this looks like Richard's death,
Richard MCDONNELL Mar Q 1933 Newcastle Upon Tyne 10b 24
Age at Death: 68
If Richard died in late in 1932 it's quite possible that his death was registered in January.
I wonder if this is your family in Ireland in 1901 and 1911 :-\
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Queenstown_Rural_No__2/Spike_Island/1138781/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__4_Urban__part_of_/Blarney_Street/390107/
Do you know what Richard's occupation was?
Regards,
Daisy
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Hi,
Do you think it's possible that William Patrick MCDONALD was originally MCDONNELL?
I ask because I think the above family could be your Richard and Ellen and they have a son William Patrick.
I found the births of Mary Ann and Ellie/Nellie in England, also a Catherine,
Mary Ann MCDONNELL Sep Q 1892 Portsea Island 2b 471
Ellie Margaretta MMACDONNELL Sep Q 1894 Portsea Island 2b 487
Catherine MCDONNELL Mar Q 1896 Portsea Island 2b 474
These births plus some of the other children also have entries in the 'GRO Regimental Birth Indices'
Richard C MCDONNELL 1890 Cork Ireland Vol: 1525 page: 53
Regt: R.A. (Royal Artillery)
Mary A MCDONNELL 1892 Portsmoth Vol: 1525 page: 53
Regt: R.A.
Ellie M MCDONNELL 1894 Portsmouth Vol: 1525 page: 53
Regt: R.A.
Catherine MCDONNELL 1896 Portsmouth *see below
Maria K MCDONNELL 1900 (no place of birth given) Vol: 1525 page: 53
Regt: R.A.
William P MCDONNELL 1902 (no place of birth given) Vol: 1525 page: 53
Regt: R.A.
*Richard, Mary, and Ellie all have the reference as Vol:1525 page:53 but also have the following references ???
Catherine does not show the Vol:1525 page:53 reference but has all the other ones ???
Vol: 1614 page: 43
Vol: 1606 page: 41
Vol: 1432 page: 176
In the British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 I found a Richard MCDONNELL service number 50196. Amongst other info it shows the following,
Discharged: 07 June 1907
Wife: Ellen WILSON
Married: 16 February 1887, s.s. St Peter & Paul, City of cork
Children;
Richard Christopher 17.12.90
Mary Ann 27.08.92
Ellie Margaretta 07.08.94
Catherine 10.12.95
Maria Kathleen 1?.06.00
William Patrick 19.03.02
Place of Discharge: Cork
Intended Residence: Coffe? Bar, Spike Island
Pages further on say,
Wife: Ellen WILSON
235 Blarney St, Cork
Ellen WILSON
Married: 16.02.87 Cork
Witnesses: J MACNAMARA, M WILSON
Children:
William 19.03.02 Cork
Bridget Alice 20.04.04 Cork
Maria Kathleen 00 Cork
I think he re-enlisted in 1914 and has a new Army number: 278611
Attested: RGA 26.10.14
Transferred to Class "Z" (could be Y?) Reserve on demobilization
Date: 03.04.10
Place: Dover
Home address: 235 Blarney St, Cork
I've tried to give the relevant info that I could find but there are alot pages so I might have missed something. If you can't view the images at Ancestry let me know.
Do you know William Patrick's birthday? I've seen peoples year of birth change but they always seem to keep the same day and month ;)
Sorry, another question...do you know when/where William Patrick died?
Daisy
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Just got in from a weekend away and I will take a close look at what you have given me,I'm amazed thankyou.
I do have some info and yes you have the right family and yes they did change surname to McDonald from McDonnell.
Some info I don't have and I did have Portsea Island as a possible and now looks very likely.
I don't know the year William died I just know it was after my Uncles marriage which was around 1952ish as I have a photo with him at my Uncles marriage.
Thankyou for taking the time to find out this info for me.
I did have the McNamara and Wilson as witnesses to marriage but I have Barry Surname as a witness also on the certificate.
I have Patrick c1840 as Richards father but I only know he is a Mason on marriage cert as desceased. Patrick McDonnell kindof common in Ireland but possibly Cork?may help.
Can't wait to chase all this extra info up and heres to finding new relatives and ancesters. :)
Thanks again :)
I do actually have my Grandads DOB as 19th march 1902 along with a few other DOB of siblings from army records I can't remember?I did think Catherine may have died.They had 2 children died according to census records?
Bridget I did have the Bridget Alice reference so I thought that was right and you have made me see I was probably correct with that too thanks.
I was given Army records in the past from someone on this site but they were too small for me to view which meant I had to try and decipher some things and other things he did tell me so I did have some of what you have given me.
Just the fact that you have found some things that I thought were correct makes me very happy and makes me believe that my research is going in the right direction :)
Some of DOB I got from family search.
Moira