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Hoping someone may be able to help with a Census lookup for Harriet Louisa HANSON B.1900 Doncaster, West Riding, Yorkshire.
I have her marriage details etc. just looking for background information i.e. parents, siblings, occupations.
Many thanks, Sashar
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Hi Sashar,
Plenty of background here, although it doesn't show Harriet's parents, you may need her birth cert for that - although you have her marriage details, what's her father's name and occupation from the certificate?
1901 census RG13/4404 fol.45 p.4/5
9 Mount Pleasant Cottages, High Road, Balby with Hexthorpe, Doncaster
George SHAW head m 34 Stationary Engine Tenter Doncaster Yorks
Nelly " wife m 24 Sheffield Yorks
Daisy " dau 5 Balby "
John HANSON f-in-law m 54 Tailor Rossington "
Harriet " m-in-law m 51 Derbyshire Whorley?
Julia " sister-in-law s 22 Notts Howrath?
Alice " " s 18 Domestic servant " "
William " bro-in-law 11 Scholar Balby Yorks
Harriet " niece 8 months " "
Barbara :)
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Here's the family in 1891:
1891 RG12/3859 fol.65 p.43
West Terrace, Balby with Hexthorpe, Doncaster, Yorkshire
HANSON
John head m 43 Engine Driver Stationary Rossington, Yorks
Harriet wife m 41 Wooley Yorks
Georgiana dau s 18 Sheffield "
Julia " 12 Scholar Hanworth Notts
Alice " 10 " " "
Syble " 4 " Tickhill Yorks
William son 1 Balby "
wonder if Harriet was Georgiana's daughter :-\
birth registered as Harriet Hanson 1900 Sept Qu Doncaster 9c 810 if you wish to buy the certificate
Barbara
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Georgina Hanson married Francis Nicholas Stoppani 1895 Sept Qu Doncaster 9c 964
1901 RG13/4410 fol.74 p.20
7 Scott Lane, Doncaster
Francis Stoppani son m 25 Cab Driver groom Doncaster
Georgina " dau-in-law 27 Sheffield
Ada " granddau 4 Balby Doncaster
Harry " grandson 1 Doncaster
Nicholas " head w 70 Cab Proprietor stable Doncaster
Barbara
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There don't seem to be any sons who could be Harriet's father....
1881 census RG11.3307 fol.71 p.21
Harworth, Worksop, Nottinghamshire
HANSON
John head m 33 Engine Driver Rossington Yorks
Harriet wife m 31 Ag. Attendant Thrashing Machine Derbyshire
Florence Elizabeth dau 12 Scholar Sheffield
Ada Margetta dau 10 Scholar Awkley Yorks
Georgina " 8 " Sheffield
Nelly " 4 " "
Julia " 2 Notts Haworth
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
Thanks for the info - mmm! Does look a bit like Harriet's mother may have been Georgina. At present I don't have any certificates, just gathering info off Free bmd and LDS.
If I have the right Harriet Hanson (that is what the family say her name was and she was the only one I could find) and she was born 1900, I found her marriage to Charles Edward Miller, Mar Q 1913 Yorkshire. She was only 13 !!! She had her lst child by Sept Q 1913.
Just got your last post - maybe Harriet is Julia or Alice's child? Julia would have been 21 and Alice 17 in 1900 when Harriet was born. Oh dear, looks like some outlaying of money might be needed here for certificates.
Isn't it amazing how John HANSON'S occupations changes from an Engine Driver in 1891 to a Tailor in 1901 !
I appreciate your help with this - regards, Sashar
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Sashar,
Just to avoid the possibility of heading down the wrong line :)...
... you referred to Harriet Louisa HANSON in your original posting. The only birth of a Harriet Louisa in the GRO index for 1900 was registered in Bethnal Green. The child in the above family was registered in Doncaster as plain Harriet. How strong is the evidence for the Doncaster connection? Do you have later evidence for her middle name?
Hugh
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I agree that caution is called for before jumping to conclusions on this one.
The 1913 marriage was of Harriet Hanson (no middle name given) to Charles E. Miller, Mar 1913 Sculcoates 9d 404.
Yorkshire BMD shows that the marriage took place at Sculcoates Register Office:
http://yorkshirebmd.org.uk
A baby who was 8 months old in the 1901 census (i.e. born in about July 1900) would have still been 12 years old in the Mar qtr of 1913. Regardless of the legal position, this would make her an extraordinarily young bride. National Statistics show that even the 16yr old bride was a rarity by the 20th century (making up 1 per cent of first-time brides in 1911-1915). So, if it were me, I'd be buying the marriage certificate to ensure that I had the right Harriet :)
Anna
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Sashar,
Just to avoid the possibility of heading down the wrong line :)...
... you referred to Harriet Louisa HANSON in your original posting. The only birth of a Harriet Louisa in the GRO index for 1900 was registered in Bethnal Green. The child in the above family was registered in Doncaster as plain Harriet. How strong is the evidence for the Doncaster connection? Do you have later evidence for her middle name?
Hugh
Have been offline for a while, but I do agree with Hugh and Anna.
I did say that the registration in Doncaster was for just Harriet, but thought you must know that she was born Doncaster or I would have considered the Harriet Louise from Bethnal Green. I thought you said you had her marriage details ( including age ) from her marriage certificate, not just a possible from freebmd etc, and she would surely not have been 13.
Do you know that she definitely married Charles Miller - if so, you will need that cert if you don't have it, for ages, occupations, and fathers' names and occupations.
Barbara
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Judging by this thread...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,281981.msg1653921.html
...Charles E. Miller is the 'known' part of the problem and Harriet is the unknown :)
Since the couple seem to have spent at least part of their working lives in Hull, I wondered if this might be Harriet's death:
GRO deaths
MILLER Harriet
date of birth: 11-MAR-1889
death registered at: HULL vol 7 page 1020
date registered: NOV (month) 1985
...which implies a more plausible age at marriage in 1913. But she may have died earlier (when the death indexes are more intractable) making this a red herring.
Hugh
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Yorkshire bmd has the marriage with Harriet Hanson just Harriet, not Harriet Louisa
The marriage cert can be ordered through that website
http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk
Barbara
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Hello Super Sleuths,
You are right - I'm on the wrong track.
Found out a bit more from family last night and although it's not much it might help track Harriet Hanson.
She was born 11th March 1889 at Outbridge or Outerbridge. (Not sure where that is). She had a brother Gordon. So Hugh seems to be on the right track with the death he found November 1985.
I apologise for my previous misleading information and thank you for the time you've spent sorting this out for me.
Kind regards, Sashar
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That's Oughtibridge or Oughty Bridge, 4 miles from Wortley, near Sheffield, West Riding of Yorkshire
Birth registration is Jun Qu 1889 Wortley 9c 301
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
Thankyou for the birth information of Harriet. I feel much better that's cleared up.
Is it possible to find her parents on the 1891 or 1901 Census please?
Hope you can help - thanks, Sashar
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Just found the family on Free Census 1891.
William Hanson, 43, Drayman born Oughtibridge. What does (Em'ee) mean after occupation.
Elizabeth Hanson, 28, wife b. Worc
Gertrude, 9, student b. Oughtibridge
Bessie, 3 b. Oughtibridge
Harriet 2 b. Oughtibridge
Just need 1901 Census which I don't have access to - thankyou, Sashar
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aarrrgh I seem to be always a minute behind tonight ;D
em'ee means 'employee' (as opposed to employer)
Hugh
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Hi Hugh,
Thankyou for the occupation explanation.
At least you knew what it was, unlike me :o
Always something to learn from this site - much appreciated, Sashar
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Looks like a remarriage for Elizabeth:
1901 RG13/4336 fol.49 p.2
Orchard St, Oughtibridge
Frank Holdsworth head m 47 File Cutter Yorks Bradfield
Elizabeth " wife m 38 Worcs Church --?--
Bessie Hanson dau 13 Yorks Bradfield
Harriett " " 12 " "
Polly " " 7 " "
Gordon " son 3 " "
Barbara
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I think William died in 1894:
burial at Church of the Ascension, Oughtibridge
HANSON William
date of burial: 10 Jul 1894
address/parish: Oughtibridge
age: 46y
... and Elizabeth remarried two years later:
GRO Marriages MAR Qtr 1896
HOLDSWORTH Frank
HANDSON Elizabeth Bayliss
Wortley 9c 310
This burial from the same church may be a child of this marriage:
HOLDSWORTH Frank
21 Aug 1897
Oughtibridge
9m
Hugh
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Could the 1901 birthplace of Elizabeth be Church Lench? This is just north of Evesham which is where the following birth was registered:
GRO Births DEC Qtr 1862
CROSSSWELL* Elizabeth Baylis
Evesham 6c 322
*Yes, this is the way it is typed in the GRO index :D
I can't find the marriage of this person to William HANSON though. William is married to a Sarah in 1881 and I think this may be that marriage:
GRO Marriages SEP Qtr 1880
HANSON William
GREEN Sarah Ann
Wortley 9c 261
..and this could be the burial of Sarah (nee GREEN):
Burial at Bradfield, St Nicholas
HANSON Sarah Ann 12 May 1885 Oughtibridge 27y
Church Lench is a strange place. According to a gazeteer transcribed at GenUKI it had or has two different hamlets called Atch Lench and Lench Atch
Hugh
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Having computer troubles so hope this email reaches its destination
Barbara - you have now found Gordon - I checked free bmd's but couldn't find him on there. Gordon was the one sibling of Harriet that the family knew about, the rest are a bonus.
and .....the deaths and remarriages - Barbara and Hugh, you are really good at sorting this lot out.
I'm extremely pleased with what you've found for me - thankyou so much, Sashar
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This looks like Gordon's birth (he's a Holdsworth, having been born after Elizabeth's remarriage):
Gordon HOLDSWORTH Mar 1898 Wortley 9c 363
Anna :)
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Hi Ann,
Boy is all this information sorting out some family arguments.
My sister married into the MILLER family but not much was known about the Hanson side. My sister asked her father-in-law some questions (he was gravely ill at the time) and he said his mother's name was Harriet Holdsworth. After the father-in-law's death, his wife, has always claimed that wasn't her surname. She thought it started with H but wasnt Holdworth. She remembered the Hanson name.
Now it's all been revealed that both are correct. Whether the family know of the 2 marriages I haven't yet found out.
Thanks so much for finding Gordon's details for me. This is all starting to come together now with the help of some great people on this site.
Very much appreciated - Sashar
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Hello all,
I'm still plodding along with this family line and wondering if anything else can be found on the background of Elizabeth Bayliss CROSSWELL born Dec Qtr 1862 at Evesham 6c 322 (Hugh previously found this)
Hugh has also checked for her marriage to William HANSON without luck. There doesn't appear to be anything on Free bmd's either so perhaps they never married.
Is she on the 1871 or 1881 Census? She may or may not have been married by the 1881 Census as a child Gertrude HANSON was born Mar Q 1882
Many thanks, Sashar
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Looks like a remarriage for Elizabeth:
1901 RG13/4336 fol.49 p.2
Orchard St, Oughtibridge
Frank Holdsworth head m 47 File Cutter Yorks Bradfield
Elizabeth " wife m 38 Worcs Church --?--
Bessie Hanson dau 13 Yorks Bradfield
Harriett " " 12 " "
Polly " " 7 " "
Gordon " son 3 " "
Barbara
Hi,
I've been searching for my granddads family for years and this post seems the closet yet. The details I'm looking for are for my family roots in the Oughtibridge area near Sheffield. My grandfather was Gordon Holdsworth and was probably born there around 1900 and your post would have it as 1898 if the same Gordon Holdsworth and moved to the Hull area. His father, my great grandfather was a file maker from Oughtibridge in Sheffield the same as the Gordon's in your post.
My granddad had a half sister called Hetty and Mary and maybe a brother called Peter who emigrated to Australia. I believe his father, the file maker, married a woman who already had been married and had children which I believe I read in one of the posts. Any help greatly appreciated.
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Just spoken to my sister and she says this is definately her husbands family.
I've tried answering your PM but somethings not working right. I received 2 PM's today and even though I try and answer yours, which was the 2nd one, it reverts back to the 1st PM.
Can you PM me again with your personal email address and I will try and contact you that way.
Regards,
Sashar
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I've never got by Gordon Holdsworth birth records before and always thought his father would be called Gordon so quite surprised to see a Frank in the family. My granddad, father and brother are all Gordon so probably due to Gordon of Khartoum who died 13 years earlier.