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Please can anyone help me find information on Moses Goodfellow from birth abt 1809 untill leaving for Australia 1838.
Regards,
wisby
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Hi Wisby,
This may be his birth, if you think this is the correct person and you want them he has siblings, just let me know.
Kind Regards, Frances :)
GOODFELLOW, Moses 18 Mar 1810 Fovant, Wiltshire, England
Father: Francis GOODFELLOW
Mother: Hannah
FHL Film 1279401
Dates 1790 - 1854
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Thanks Frances, it is the right person, any information appreciated.
wisby.
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Hi Wisby,
Here are the other entries on the BVRI. I have also included Jacobs marriage. Hope this helps, Kind Regards, Frances
GOODFELLOW, Sarah 28 Sep 1806 Fovant, Wiltshire, England
Father: Francis GOODFELLOW
Mother: Hannah
Source: FHL Film 1279401
Dates: 1790 - 1854
GOODFELLOW, Deborah 7 Aug 1814 Fovant, Wiltshire, England
Father: Francis GOODFELLOW
Mother: Hannah
Source: FHL Film 1279401
Dates: 1790 - 1854
I am not sure about this one, it seems a long while between 1790 and 1806, will leave it to you!
GOODFELLOW, Elizabeth 4 Jul 1790 Woodford, Wiltshire, England
Father: Francis GOODFELLOW
Mother: Hannah
Source: FHL Film 1279338
Dates: 1688 - 1906
GOODFELLOW, Moses=Joan GOODFELLOW
26 Oct 1836 Fovant, Wiltshire, England
Source: FHL Film 1279401
Dates: 1827 - 1837
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That is great Frances, thanks.
Would there be any record stating Joan Goodfellow was a widow of a Noah Goodfellow?
Wisby - oz
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Hi Wisby,
The only records that I have that might help you is the birth below of a Noah with the parents of Noah and Joan and a burial record of a Noah. Whether this is the same Noah who was the baby's father I do not know. It is possible that the Christening was much later than the birth and the deceased Noah was the father. If someone local could look at the original Parish Records it may help you answer some questions.
Hope this may help. Frances
GOODFELLOW, Noah 7 Nov 1829 Fovant, Wiltshire, England
Father: Noah GOODFELLOW
Mother: Joan
Source: FHL Film 1279401
Dates: 1790 - 1854
10 June 1829 Goodfellow Noah age 26 St George Fovant Wilts
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Hi Frances,
I have that information on Noah the son, I think he came to Australia with Moses and his death registration names Noah as father which makes me think Moses was his stepfather.
I will try to find something on the parish records.
Thank you very much for your help.
Wisby in oz
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Hello Wisby
I'm interested in sharing research on Moses if you are still interested.
Regards, Carmel
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The Online Parish Clerk Project includes transcriptions of some Fovant Parish Records.
Moses was christened 19 March, 1810.
It would appear that his mother, Hannah, was buried at the age of 33, 11 June, 1814. The baby Deborah was christened after the death of the mother. Very sad.
A Francis Goodfellow was buried 8 Feb, 1837. He was 73.
Noah Goodfellow was christened 6 March, 1803, son of Charles and Maria.
According to an extracted entry on the IGI, young Noah's parents were Noah Goodfellow and Joan Smith who married 21 May, 1827, St. Mary, Wilton by Salisbury.
I see that there are a couple of earlier births attributed to Francis Goodfellow and wife Diana and/or Dina so perhaps Francis married more than once. The marriage from the IGI makes no note that he is a widower but if he is so much older than his bride it seems quite possible that it might be so.
Beth
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Thanks Beth for this information. Do you have anything on the death of a Dinah age 66 on 17 Jun 1835 in Fovant Poorhouse? I thought this was mother of Moses and wife of Francis. If this is incorrect then who is this Dinah? Likewise if the one I have is correct than I can't find a Hannah in my records who fits the death at age 33 either and the timing does fit for death after childbirth.
Regards, Carmel
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I have found a marriage in Woodford, Wilts. 12 Oct, 1789 between Francis Goodfellow and Hannah Lawrence which would tie in nicely with the birth of Elizabeth, 1790, found by Frances. However, it makes a mockery out of a death of Hannah at age 33 following a birth in 1814 in Fovant.
Francis age 73, buried 1837 and Dina/Diana buried age 66, in 1835, appear to be a couple who each live to be seniors. I think it possible that there were two Francis Goodfellows whose children were being christened in Fovant.
Sorry I am unable to help more definitively.
Beth
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Hi Wisby,
My partner also has Moses Goodfellow in his family tree. Moses daughter Mary married David Hoey. David and Mary child Eric A Hoey. Eric Hoey married Helen Garnett and their daughter Doris May is my partners Grandmother.
Could you tell me how you are related to Moses. I have also been trying to find information on Francis and Hannah so this has been so helpful!
Emma
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Hi all
I would like to know more about the Hannah who died in 1814 age 33. Has anyone got proof that she was mother of Moses and siblings?
Has anyone else considered that Hannah could be an alternative spelling for Anna and a shortened version of Dianna? On some of the christenings between 1796 and 1814 which have occurred at Fovant there is a mother Diana with several spellings and on some there is a mother Hannah but the only marriage is that at Woodford of Francis and Hannah. Some records are submitted and some are extraction of parish registers. I also thought that if mother was already deceased this would have been mentioned on the christening record. Some of those submitted records may have incorrect information eg there is a record saying Francis husband of a Hannah was born c 1784. I think it is the same Francis father of Elizabeth born 1790. I also have a note saying there were 4 Francis Goodfellows in Wiltshire National Burial Index between 1633 and 1837. I have in my notes one born c 1640 who married a Susan or Susanna and died 1714 at Fovant and another born 1686 son of Henry and Mary plus a third who married a Jenny and had a daughter Mary chr and died in 1762. Unless there are a lot of Wiltshire records not on the NBI I think it's unlikely there would be too many more around to be having children at the same time in Fovant. There are quite a few census records for siblings of Moses on this site if anyone is interested and I have gone through the Fovant records quite a lot to piece together the family groups. I am descended from Sarah, first Australian born child of Moses and Jane. Most of the family stayed in NSW but Sarah moved to Qld after marrying at Armidale so our branch is in Qld.
Carmel
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Hello Emma
I've just joined after finding your post regarding Doris May Hoey. Is your partner's mother named Helen nee Ferguson or Costelloe?
Regards Alan
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Hi Alan,
Yes. My Mother in Law is Helen Costelloe, daughter of Doris Hoey/Ferguson and Albert Costelloe. Do you know the family? This is very exciting!
Thanks,
Emma
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I am looking for information on George Garnett born Abt: 1861 he married Louisa Hill (her parents Mary Coombes and George Hill) * Anyway George and Louisa had a Helen Garnett born 1900 who married an Eric Arthur Hoey - Helen had a brother called George Garnett born 1890 this is my grand father - I trying to follow his family back but am unable to find birth information on GEORGE Born abt 1861 - I need to know information about his date & place of birth and parents details
Can you help !!!
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Hiya,
I'm a bit lost here,are we looking in Wiltshire for your George?
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Unsure of details of George Garnett birth, born abt 1861 - family was told that he was born in Parramatta NSW Australia, but no other details about his birth, parents or siblings - he moved to Toppers Mountain NSW Australia and married Louisa Hill on the 9/11/1889 He died on the 31/7/1914. They lived around Inverell NSW Australia.
Regards Susan
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Have you seen this site http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,28246.0.html
* I am still looking for infomation on George Garnett the father of Helen if anyone has infomation you could post it here or under " Help Needed - Looking 4 George GARNETT born 1861, married Louisa HILL (Inverell)" @ web link http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,411891.0.html
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Hi All
My Great Aunty was Helen Garnett she married Eric Hoey, as far as I know they had a daughter Doris Hoey/Ferguson and Albert Costelloe who had a daughter Helen Costelloe
Susan
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Hi Wisby,
My husband is descended from Moses Goodfellow through his daughter Mary (HOEY). I note you say that Noah's death shows his father as Noah. I have been hunting for Noah for years without success! Would you be prepared to share the place and date of death?
Thanks - colleen smith
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Thanks to this posting I have found the author "beattieemma" and reunited with members of my Garnet Family - who married into the Hoey family
Thanks for posting this link
Susan
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Please can anyone help me find information on Moses Goodfellow from birth abt 1809 untill leaving for Australia 1838.
Regards,
wisby
Hi,
Hope you are still doing research on Moses Goodfellow, he is my 3rd great Grandfather on my mothers side. I would love to know more about him.
Regards, djcrabtree
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hi from down under my interest in the name i my inmy father his mothe was emill laveen /mother eliza ainsworth i was curious as to the photo of moses
would love to know more i have some information re the modern day part of the family icluding anew news regarding john donald campbell seems he well sought of re married
regards peter
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Hi All,
Am new to rootschat, but have read the information on Moses Goodfellow from Fovant. I am also 'down under' and previously lived at Inverell NSW. Moses died on 15 January,1877 at 68 yrs -Bukkulla NSW (near Inverell) and his wife Jane died 3/7/1885 - 80 yrs.
My line comes from his daughter - Ellen Goodfellow who was born 5th Feb,1838 - Fovant, Wiltshire, England. (Ellen was 3 months old when the family came to Australia aboard the ship 'Woodbridge' in 1838). Ellen married on 4/12/1855 – Armidale NSW to Joseph WHITBY.
I am interested in anything of the family, I do have a great deal on the Australian lines but some blanks to fill. Moses is my GGGrandfather.
Megsy (Merren)
P.S. to CarmelMcM - hello we were in contact some years ago, but we have both moved since...would love to catch up.
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Hi Merrin
Would you believe Inverell is my hometown as well well it was about twenty-thirty years ago my dad was the son i think of emily laveen campbell daughter of eliza his father i am still unsure of different information every time i investigate eliza and charles Addison certainly raised him i came across a great photo of Moses? on rootschat but i cannot get confirmation that it is him that is why i posted the message
are you using Ancestry.com? my tree is a bit confusing i have been grabbing information as quickly as i can to try and sort it out later but there may be some info that you are welcome to use if needed i have been in touch with a few of the goodfellow family descendants a great source of info suggested by one of them is a site called Pandora a newspaper archive site -brings up some really interesting stuff.running out of space .my private email is * should you want to keep in touch not confident how to use rootschat regards peter
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Hello to all my relatives out there!
Moses Goodfellow is my 4th great grandfather on my fathers side of the family. My lineage goes like this ....
Moses & Jane Smiths daughter Ellen Goodfellow b.1838 Fovant, Wiltshire, England married Joseph Whitby from Yorkshire ...
it appears there are variations of the name Jane/Joan, Smith/Clark/e in different records and sources, it is likely they are all one and the same person. I will call her Jane Goodfellow nee Smith.
Can anyone enlighten me in this regard?
their daughter Elizabeth Whitby b.1856 Armidale married James Rolfe b.1846 Hillgay Norfolk England ....
their son Joseph G Rolfe married Ann Hutton ...
their daughter Stella Rolfe is my grandmother. I live in Northern NSW Australia, and have been researching my ancestry for about three years.
I have found all the information kindly put out there on rootschat re. Moses and family very useful and interesting.
You may or may not have seen the following information before, if not ...
1845 Inverell
On a visit to the Inverell district during December, the travelling Presbyterian minister Rev Blain performed the first recorded marriage in the district, between John Thom (alias William Goodman) & Maria Goodfellow 20.12.1845, Maria was Moses's daughter, Moses was a shepherd at Inverell Station around this time. On the same visit Rev Blain babtised Maria's three year old brother Henry born 18.3.1842, Peter Colin Campbell and Thomas Henry Dasey (both born in 1844).
* source: Rev Blain's Register is kept in the assembly building, York St, Sydney.
The first known white child to be born in the Inverell district (apart from those passing through - source: Muir's diary, is thought to have been Jane Anderson 2.7.1841. Henry Goodfelllow was born 1842, this would place the Goodfellows among the first settlers in the Inverell district.
Dingoes were in large numbers, the bush was alive with snakes, shepherding was a big job.
* source: book; World of it's Own, Inverells's Early Years 1827-1920, Elizabeth Wiedemann.
* source TROVE_Queanbeyan Age (NSW : 1867 - 1904)
List of unclaimed letters addressed to persons resident in the Hunter River district, for the month of April, 1847 : Goodfellow Moses, Armidale.
* source TROVE_The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW 1842 - 1954) Thur 6 Feb 1868
New Insolvent.--- Moses Goodfellow, of Inverell.
SURRENDERS_Moses Goodfellow, of Inverell, shepherd. Liabilities, £243, of which £178 is secured. Assets, £323 16s. 6d. Mr. Humphery, official assignee.
* source TROVE_The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) (about)
Friday 26 January 1877
SUICIDE BY HANGING.-On Sunday evening,
the 14th instant, a man named Moses Goodfellow committed suicide by hanging himself at Bukkulla. From the evidence given at the inquest (says the Inverell Times), it appeared the unfortunate man, who was verging on 70, had for many years been addicted to habits of intemperance, and on Sunday afternoon, after a fit of drunkenness, obtained £2 from his -wife, saying he was going to " clear out." He was seen almost immediately afterwards by his stepson, Thomas Goodfellow, lying under a tree in front of the house. The boy went away for about an hour, and on returning found his stepfather hanging by a rope from a ratter in the kitchen, but became so paralysed with fright as to be unable to cut the body down ; he reported the matter at Mr. Judge's accommodation house, some quarter of a mile distant, when a young man named Brooks at once galloped to Goodfellows residence, cut down the body, which was quite warm, and every means was then tried to restore animation, but without avail.
* source TROVE_The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) (about)
1889 Tuesday 5 March, Ellen Goodfellow, attempted suicide.
* source TROVE_INVERELL, Wednesday, The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) (about) Thursday 18 August 1898_William Goodfellow and Thomas Miller, charged with stealing sheep from the Inverell station run, were to-day committed for trial at the Quarter Sessions on September 5. No bail was applied for.
I believe the attached image is Moses's granddaughter Elizabeth Whitby & her husband James Rolfe.
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Hi Frances,
I have just joined rootschat re. Moses & his descendants. Moses is my 4th greatgrandfather on my fathers side. I would be very grateful to have a copy of the image you have posted of Moses & Jane. Would you be willing to email me a copy ? I am more than happy to share what I have with you and anyone else who would treasure them as I do. I have a few oldies that have been handed down via my grandmother Stella Rolfe. Some I can identify some I am not sure about. Do you think I might find out who the mystery ancestors are if I posted them here?
Lynette
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Hi Merren,
my line also comes from Ellen Goodfellow _ Whitby _ Rolfe
I have some great old photos of the Rolfes handed down from my grandmother Stella Rolfe b.1906 Tingha NSW.
Lynette
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Hi Lynette,
Great…have only the following of Stella Rolfe --- so would love more blank spaces filled….I also have pics of the Rolfe’s and one of Stella with Joseph Whitby….. I also live in northern NSW…(in the tweed area).
Stella Iris ROLFE Born 12/9/1906 at Tingha NSW
MARRIED: 1925 – Casino NSW
TO WHOM: Patrick SULLIVAN (B.1896 – D.1973 Newcastle)
DIED/BURIED: 1979 Sydney
CHILDREN:
1. Iris SULLIVAN (B.1928 Casino Died 1990 at Goondiwindi QLD)
2. Kath SULLIVAN (M) ? MURPHY
I have also pics of some of Stella’s family….Vera, Nancy & Amy, with the children of Amy(Audrey & Leslie DON)
My line comes in with the sister of Elizabeth Whitby – Sarah Jane Whitby married John Henry Finn (who are my greatgrandparents)
Merren
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Hello Merrin,
I would dearly love to see your collection of old family photographs! I live in Byron, do you live close by in the Tweed? do you have a tree on ancestry.com? I do, would you like to view the family tree as it looks so far? if so I need your email to give you access. I have mostly been researching mums ancestors, only now have I branched out into my dads ancestry. Stella Rolfe married Patrick Sullivan in Casino 1925,
3 CHILDREN:
1. Desmond SULLIVAN B.Casino 1929 M. Jeanette DURAND 1955 Windsor _BOTH LIVING (my parents)
2. Iris SULLIVAN B. Casino 1928 D. Goondiwindi QLD 1990 M. Stan COOK
3. Kath SULLIVAN B Casino 1926 D. Coffs Harbour 2007 M.Marrickville 1957 Trevor MURPHY
When Aunty Kath died a bundle of old photograph came to me for safe keeping. I would like to find out as much as possible about where they came from, how they lived and loved, and gather all the family images that are scattered everywhere into a collection for all to enjoy and treasure.
The old photographs and a few family stories my dad, his sister Kath and his mum Stella have told me, are the foundation of my research so far, I have a long way to go!
Aunty Kath & Nan are no longer around, they where the keepers of their family history, wish I could talk with them now. The Sullivans still have descendants living in Casino Lismore area, we keep in touch, they have been most helpful and provided more photos and some memories of the Rolfe family, in particular Stan Rolfe, being Stella's brother, he had 'for the time' a high tech dairy farm close by the Sullivans Stratheden property. The Inverelle chapter is a mystery to me, the Rolfe_Hutton_Whitby_Goodfellow connections are calling me!
Do you know anything about the Huttons of Walcha? 1902 Tingha NSW Joseph George Rolfe married Annie Hutton (I have photos of her). My dad has fond memories of Annie, however I know little about where she came from. I believe Mary Ann Owens was her mother & her father Joseph Hutton.
I have a Photo of a group of women 'War Chest Workers' Fern Hill/hall Inverell; it is unusual, the women all have what appears to be an eight point star symbol around their necks , dressed in long what appears to be white dresses, old fashioned hats, two of the woman are in long dark dresses noteable people have been marked with x and names on the back, I believe it is possible at least three generations of the woman in my family may appear in this picture:
Amy Rolfe (my Grandmother Stella's sister)
Mrs Rolfe - Annie( Hutton) - Amys mother, (my great grandmother)
Mrs Whitby, - perhaps this is Ellen (Goodfellow) Moses daughter ?
Hilda Whitby - a Hilda Whitby was born in Inverell 1902 f) John m) Harriet. E. ?
I also have a photo of Annie Hutton dressed in high rank womens regalia, oddfellows/masonic??? apron with tassels, letters PG MU, 8 point star with something inside it, poss open book ?
any ideas? has anyone seen such images in their old family photographs from Inverell ?
Lynette
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Hi Lynette,
I have that Mary Ann Owens & Joseph Hutton married in 1881 at Walcha. The NSW BD&M files have Joseph Hutton born 1853 and parents listed as Joseph & Mary
All I have on them otherwise is a possible death for Joseph in 1930 at Tingha (NSW BD&M -18540/1930) I see that Mary Ann died there 1909.??
I am already a guest on the Campbell Family on ancestry….Deb had added me there, I have had another look and see on Annie Hutton’s profile where your pics and name are added. If you go onto Stella Rolfe’s picture, (that I added 5/9), you will see my name on it ….just add @bigpond.com for my email address (a bit shy to place it here in full).. Could you email me as an ordinary mail, then we can catch up/exchange details easily, with attachments.
I replaced Stella’s younger pic, (where she was seated on Joseph Whitby’s knee), which wasn’t very clear, for my copy which was clearer.
On the back of the pic, you have there on the Masonic women – the names Fowler/Whitby are from my lot.
If you follow up on the Whitby line – Ellen Jane May Finn (my Mother) & Stanly Leech (Father) I have my brothers and sisters there as well. Catch you soon Merren
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Hi Merrin,
I have not been able to reply to you via email, here is mine * , hope to chat soon :)
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Hi to Lynette and all the others interested in the Hutton/Rolfe line.
My interest is the Huttons and I've just begun researching the Hutton/Rolfe line. I've been very interested to read the posts about this family on RootsChat.
Ann Hutton was definitely the daughter of Joseph Hutton and Mary Ann Owens, and she was born in Walcha NSW in 1882. Ann's death was registered in Queensland in 1955 - she died in the Brisbane General Hospital but is buried in the East Lismore Cemetery, NSW where her husband Joseph George Rolfe is also buried (see references to their deaths on the Ryerson Index).
Ann Hutton's grandparents were Joseph Hutton and Mary (nee Whelan). Joseph Hutton was a convict from Exeter in Devon - his convict documents are available through Ancestry.
GlenRuth
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Hi GlenRuth,
my great grandparents; Annie HUTTON & George ROLFE, my grandparents; Stella ROLFE & Patrick SULLIVAN. I can share my ROLFE_WHITBY research with you if you like. I don't know much about the HUTTONS, but would like to. May I ask how you are related to the family?
Lynette
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Hi Lynette
Thanks for your response. I am descended from Cornelius Hutton and his wife Louisa Dezius. Cornelius was another son of Joseph Hutton the convict and therefore an uncle to your Annie Hutton who married Joseph George Rolfe (was he known as George??).
We are definitely linked, and I would be greatly interested in anything you can offer on Annie and her family in particular. I've picked up that there are some photos of Annie held by you and other contributors to this discussion an I would love to see them if at all possible. Unfortunately I'm not a full member of Ancestry and can only save anything attached to public trees as tiny images (I only get to see a very brief summary of the detail).
Your Annie's parents were Joseph Hutton and Mary Ann Owens -
Joseph's birth was registered at East Maitland (Roman Catholic) in 1853 (son of Joseph and Mary Hutton)
Joseph married Mary Ann Owens at Walcha in 1881
Joseph (son of Joseph and Mary A) died at Tingha in 1930
I haven't been able to identify Mary Ann Owens' birth, or her death.
Joseph and Mary Ann Hutton's children were:
* Annie 1882
* Elizabeth Margaret Ellen 1884
* Joseph 1885
* Mary A 1891
* Edward 1892
* Cornelius 1894
* Mabel Ethel Agnes 1894
(possibly twins in 1894 - or just two registered at the same time)
Hoping we can help each other with our research.
GlenRuth
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Hi GlenRuth,
any information I forward is to the best of my knowledge true, otherwise I will note the info with '?' or 'unconfirmed'_further research required. So as one has to start somewhere, I will start by answering your question ...
re. Mary Ann Owens' birth & death
NSW BDM online index; Born 4735/1858 OWENS MARY A, f) JOHN OWENS & m) MARY, BATHURST
Death; 1909 Walcha NSW
I can not find a record of any marriage record between John Owens & Mary?
Children of John Owens & Mary ? unconfirmed ...
V18432377 27A/1843 OWENS ANNE M, JOHN & MARY
V18513299 162B/1851 OWENS JOHN, JOHN & MARY
V18513297 162B/1851 OWENS JOHN, JOHN & MARY
3141/1856 OWENS ISABELLA , JOHN & MARY BATHURST
4735/1858 OWENS MARY A, JOHN & MARY , BATHURST
4779/1861 OWENS CHRISTOPHER J, JOHN & MARY, BATHURST
4982/1863 OWENS WILLIAM P, JOHN & MARY, BATHURST
5386/1865 OWENS CLARA E, JOHN & MARY BATHURST
6780/1869 OWENS MARY E A, JOHN & MARY BATHURST
source; Marriage Transcription Mary Owens & Joseph Hutton
1881 May 8th, ST ANDREWS COE WALCHA NSW
Mary SPINSTER, Laundress, usual residence was OHIO (not in America, apparently it's a town close to Walcha).
Joseph BACHELOR, Stockman, usual residence was SALISBURY PLAINS
WITNESS'S; WALTER FORD, MARGARET OWENS? sister or sister in-law?
Minister; EDMUND GEORGE MOBERLY
that's all the known details from the transcription.
for consideration only, perhaps relevant to our family in some way, not confirmed, further research required ...
Assisted Immigration
OWENS Mary Ann AGE 20 VESSEL Aberdeen
ARV.1886 Sydney *parent(s) on board (listed separately). Arrived November.
OWENS John AGE 53 VESSEL Aberdeen ARV.1886 Sydney * and son; cob - child(ren) on board (listed separately). Arrived November
OWENS Thomas age 24 vessel Aberdeen arv.1886 Sydney * and father. Arrived November
SEE ship record Aberdeen 5 nsw state archives
Same as you I'm not a full member of Ancestry; 'unpaid member' with a public tree, I do understand your frustration. The issue with not being able to contact other owners of trees (having to wait and see if they contact you) is also very frustrating. When people copy images from your ancestry tree it would be nice to be given the opportunity to network and collaborate together for the higher good! paid or unpaid! oh well, lets not forget that ancestry.com is a business that needs to make $s after all. However unpaid members with public trees do provide a wealth of information for ancestry.com. You can get my email address from fb or leave me a message and I will get back to you, Lyn Sullivan Byron Bay, not keen to post details here.
Bye for now
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Hi Lynette
Thanks for the information, particularly the marriage detail for Joseph Hutton and Mary Ann Owens which is great to have, also the Owens births from Bathurst. You have to wonder what brought them to the Walcha area.
I haven't delved into the Hutton tree for quite a while but my interest was raised a couple of weeks ago when I came across something on your line. If I'm able to make contact with you direct I'm sure you would be interested. If you have a tree on Ancestry and you can provide me the name of that tree, I'll have someone send you a message with my contact details.
I mentioned earlier that Annie's father Joseph Hutton was the son of Joseph Hutton (a convict from Exeter in Devon) and his wife Mary Whelan. Their children were:
Elizabeth Hutton 1852 Warialda
Joseph Hutton 1853 Maitland (married Mary Ann Owens)
Cornelius Hutton 1855 Tamworth (my great-grandfather)
Henry Hutton 1857 Swamp Oak Creek near Limbri (Moonbi area)
George Hutton 1859 Mooonbi
Edward Hutton 1861 Swamp Oak Creek
Mary Ann Hutton 1864 Mihi Creek near Armidale
James Hutton 1865-1865 Saumarez Creek near Uralla
Mary Whelan died after the birth of James, in 1865. Joseph (the convict) married for the second time in 1868, his wife was a widow named Ellen Campbell, and he died in 1877.
Your Annie (Rolfe) had a brother Cornelius, who was no doubt named after his Uncle Cornelius (my great-grandfather).
I wonder if you have researched Annie Rolfe's siblings at all and if you have done any research on the Huttons further back.
GlenRuth
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Hello GlenRuth
As Annie Hutton is my great grandmother I have a lot of information about her children. I am very lucky to have had the opportunity to talk with people who knew her immediate family. I have not much at all on Mary Ann Owen's children and their ancestry.
Thanks for the info, I have now been able to fill in missing records re. the children of Mary Whelan & Joseph Hutton, much appreciated.
further to Joseph Hutton & Mary Ann Owens children:
* Annie b.1882-26 Apr 1955 m. 1902 Tingha, Joseph George Rolfe (yes he was known as George)
* Elizabeth Margaret Ellen b.1884 m. 1902 Inverell, KLEINHAUSS ?
* Joseph b.1885 -1930 m. ,
* Mary A b.1891 m. 1906, Tingha, Edward Bates ? (Mary would have been 15yrs old?) ?
NOTE; an Edward Bates died in 1910 GOULBURN, perhaps Mary Ann married again in 1912 Darelet Khan ?
* Edward b.1892 -1939 m.
* Cornelius b.1894-1936 m. Louisa Dezius b.1894 ? twin to Mabel ?
* Mabel Ethel Agnes b.1894 .d 'unknown' twin to Cornelius? perhaps she died at birth?
the following for consideration ... hope you can follow my research, bit cryptic !
This is the only death record I have located for KLEINHAUSS in NSW BDM online index:
D. 8200/1958 KLEINHAUSS MARGARET 47 YRS MANLY SYDNEY
D. 8200/1958 KLEINHAUSS MARGARET 47 YEARS MANLY SYDNEY
Margaret KLEINHAUSS would have been born abt 1911, perhaps she is the daughter of Elizabeth M b.1884?
M. 2538/1906 BATES EDWARD, HUTTON MARY A, TINGHA
M.14923/1912 DARELET KHAN, HUTTON MARY A, NARRABRI (Mary would have been 21yrs old?)
M. 14923/1912 KHAN DARELET, HUTTON MARY A, NARRABRI
M. 12570/1924 BROWN HERBERT, HUTTON MARY, TINGHA
Edward & Mary Ann's children?
B. 18724/1906 BATES NITA A E, f) EDWARD J m) MARY A, TINGHA
B. 42380/1909 BATES EDWARD T f) EDWARD m) MARY A TINGHA
further food for thought ...
There is a ref to a Private J Hutton in the book 'World of it's Own, Inverells's Early Years 1827-1920', Elizabeth Wiedemann p225_a letter from Private J Hutton to his father, from 'somewhere in France'.
Have you seen this letter?
It appears that Mary Whelan, her baby son James and baby daughter Mary A all died in 1865_do you know why?
James (son of Mary Whelan) & Jane?
D 2365/1893 HUTTON JOSEPH, JAMES & JANE F ,ARMIDALE
D. 9527/1912 HUTTON RAYBURN f) JOSEPH m) MARY BEGA
Hutton Joseph, stonemason, 35 Union St, Newtown
Mary Hutton, Storekeeper, factory at Clyde
source; Sands Directory Sydney & NSW 1858-1933 - Ancestry Library.com
Joseph Hutton; born date in 1817 in Exeter, Devon, England, mother; Frances Littlejohn, father; Joseph Hutton - source; ancestry.com family tree info
Mary WHELAN an Irish orphan?
Joseph HUTTON became a policeman at Warialda in 1852?
source; RootChat ...Sally Northey
'My husbands' Joseph HUTTON arrived as a convict on 'Hercules' in 1832.
Joseph HUTTON was charged for breaking and entering the dwelling of
Elizabeth Littlejohn in the Parish of St. Davids, County Devon, England on
31 December 1830 and stealing a crown, a half crown, two shillings and a
sixpence. This Elizabeth Littlejohn could have been a relative of Joseph's
as his mother was Frances LITTLEJOHN. Joseph was transported to the Colonies for a term of 14 years. He worked arount Maitland. On the 21st April, 1851 he married Mary WHELAN an Irish orphan. Joseph HUTTON became a policeman at Warialda in 1852 and while there a son Cornelius HUTTON was born in 1855. Cornelius married Louisa DEZIUS in 1884 at Bundarra and my husband is descended from this line. Is there any HUTTON researchers out there.
note; I have not yet contacted Sally.
Lyn
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more for you ...
source; RootsWebAUS-PT-JACKSON-CONVICTS-L Archives
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I have found a reference to my Joseph Hutton, per Hercules, 1832,
working as a shepherd on a property near Moonbi ( Tamworth area) after he
received his C of F. It has been suggested that the property, known as Swamp Oak Creek, was owned by Philip Gidley King, but the source of this information was not recorded.
Lyn
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Wow Lyn, that's a whole lot of information - thank you!
I have discovered that contributors to RootsChat can send Personal Messages to one another once they have posted three messages - I sent you a PM yesterday, hopefully you will be able to pick that up somehow and can make contact with me direct (I'm new to this list so don't quite know how it all works).
You have been able to pick up quite a bit about the convict Joseph Hutton from various sources, and I'm sure that will help you link him to your own family (his son Joseph who married Mary Ann Owens). I will explain my links to the two contributors you mention when we are able to touch base.
Because the same names are used down the generations it gets confusing, but the Cornelius Hutton who married Louisa Dezius is my Cornelius born 1855 (i.e. son of the convict Joseph) rather than Cornelius born 1894, brother of your Annie.
I've researched your Cornelius - he married in Queensland and died there:
CORNELIUS HUTTON
Birth: 16948/1894 HUTTON CORNELIUS JOSEPH MARY A INVERELL
Qld Marriage: 1913/C4087 Kuhn Evie Rebecca Hutton Cornelius
Qld Death: 1960/C800 Cornelius Hutton Joseph Mary Ann Owens
Cornelius' WWII service record is available on the National Library website.
Below is a summary of what I've found on Annie's other siblings:
ELIZABETH MARGARET ELLEN HUTTON
Elizabeth did marry George Klenhauss or Kleinhanss:
9330/1902 KLEINHAUSS GEORGE M HUTTON ELIZABETH M E INVERELL
JOSEPH HUTTON
Birth: 19841/1885 HUTTON JOSEPH JOSEPH MARY A GLEN INNES
Marriage: 8031/1908 HUTTON JOSEPH MILLER AGNES C INVERELL
Death: 5211/1928 HUTTON JOSEPH JOSEPH MARY A CESSNOCK
Death: 47180/1973 HUTTON AGNES CONSTANCE JOHN MARY CESSNOCK
Newcastle Crematorium:
HUTTON Agnes Constance 16/03/1973 1 Bent St Cessnock 87 SCATTERED 47151
MARY A HUTTON
Mary is a bit of a mystery - as you have found. Further work required.
EDWARD HUTTON
Birth: 36763/1892 HUTTON EDWARD JOSEPH MARY A WARIALDA
Qld Marriage: 1920/C2912 Pfingst Annie Catherine Elizabeth Hutton Edward
Qld Death: 1963/B61526 Edward Hutton Joseph Mary Ann Owens
Qld Births for Annie Catherine Pfingst (most likely 1898??)
1898/C3179 Annie Katherine Elizabeth Pfingst Charles Annie Heironymus
1900/C3257 Annie Kathleen Elizabeth Pfingst Albert Amy Tyrrell
BDM records for Queensland don't cover the same years as NSW unfortunately but they are brilliant because they provide the mother's maiden name which is just so helpful.
Edward Hutton served in WWI - his service record is available on the National Library website. The index shows he was from Grafton which is confusing, on the first page of the records it shows that this Grafton is/was near Inverell.
MABEL ETHEL AGNES HUTTON
Birth: 16947/1894 HUTTON MABEL E A JOSEPH MARY A INVERELL
Marriage: 9431/1921 O'TOOLE TERENCE HUTTON MABEL E A KURRI KURRI
Death: 2491/1931 O'TOOLE MABEL A JOSEPH MARY A CESSNOCK
Cessnock Cemetery
O'TOOLE Mabel 20-Mar-31 Nulkaba Cemetery
Ancestry - Electoral Roll
Name: Mabel Ethel Agnes O'Toole
Residence: 1930 - city, Hunter, New South Wales
As you can see, some of the family gravitated to Queensland and some to the Hunter Valley area - presumably for work (it would have been easy for them to go from the New England to the Newcastle area by train). A check of the Electoral Rolls will show what they all did for a living.
Hopefully there is something new for you in what I've found about your line.
I haven't seen the reference to a letter from Private J Hutton - there are other Huttons in the New England area so he may be from those families.
As for Mary Whelan's death - their little daughter Mary died earlier the same year (1865), baby James died 2nd October and poor Mary died 4th October (premature delivery).
GlenRuth
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Hi all, I haven't looked at rootschat for a long time but there are so many Goodfellow descendants who have used this site and I'm hoping you might get a link to look at some photos I have taken when I was in Wiltshire in 2019 (thankfully decided to do that trip then and didn't plan on doing in in 2020).
I was absolutley amazed on arrival in Wilton to find the village square situated beside the carpet factory. Yes the carpet factory where John Smith weaver would have worked. Hopefully you have all worked out by now that the immigration record should have said Jane's parents were "John Smith and Martha nee Clarke" instead of "John and Martha Clarke". That error had me on the wrong search for about 10 years. While looking around the area of the village square in Wilton, I needed to find the toilets and thankfully I did that as there is a little museum in glass cases on the wall of the passageway through to the toilets. I didn't find any mention of that in any of the brochures. The site doesn't seem to want to let me add photos in multiples so I'll try with one and add some more later at a more respectable hour.