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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Devon => England => Devon Lookup Requests => Topic started by: williamscdr on Wednesday 30 January 08 07:50 GMT (UK)
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Morning all
Here we go again with the next line of the family. Can someone please help me trace back:
Isobel Mary Brimacombe daughter of
Titus Brimacombe (b 1882 Pancras Week?) and Mary Bessie Fraine (b. 1879 Bideford?) (married 1907 Bideford?)
I beleive that there are Putford and Lanlivery locations involved somewhere as well.
Regards
David
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Hi David :)
Do you have them on any censuses?
deb
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My work computer firewalls me from downloading the 1901, but I can see that Titus is on there. Unfortunately I am not 'permitted' to downlad the image.
>:(
David
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Hi
In 1901
Mary B FRAIN is a servant in the home of John Tate, a medical practioner and his wifein Bideford.
Mary B Frain b Putford, 21. the other servant is ... Bessie A Brimacombe, b Holsworthy, 22. ;D
deb
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nice work - encouraging connection!!
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1901
Holsworthy
Mary BRIMACOMBE head wid 41 dressmaker own acc, at home b Pyworthy
William son mar 21 farm lab b Pancrasweek
Annie d-i-l 22 b Not known
Francis son 16 farm lab, ag horse b PW
Titus son 19 S " " b PW
Ernest son 3 b PW
Gladys dau 2 b PW
William Gr son 2
Francis gr son 4 months
William Edwards visitor 33
William Yelland visitor 16
next door
John Brimacombe head wid 70 farmer b Pancrasweek
Charles son mar 22 Farmers son b Bideford
Emma d-i-l 24 b Cornwall
Titus gr son 2months
deb ;D
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1891
Pancrasweek, Holsworthy
Verworthy
John Brimmacombe (sic) head mar 60 farmer b PW
Ruth wife 50 b PW
Charles E son 12 b Bideford
next door
William E Brimmacombe head 30 Farmer b Hartland
Mary J wife 32 b Pyworthyu
William ? son 11 b PW
Edward son 7 b PW
Francis son 6 b PW
TITUS son 5 b PW
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1881
Verworthy Cott
John Brimacombe head mar 50 farm Lab b Sutcombe
Ruth wife 41 b Cookbury
Charles E son 2 b Bideford
next door
Richard H Brimacombe head unm 59 farmer 47 acres , employ 1 lab b Sutcombe
William Brimacombe NEPHEW mar 21 farm serv b Hartland ..Titus' dad
Mary J nephew's wife 22 b pyworthy
Bessy A M Nephew's dau 2 b Pyworthy
William A " son b Sutcombe
Titus' parents marriage:
William Edward BRIMACOMBE = Mary Jane MITCHELL
Holsworthy, mar q 1878
vol 5b p 829
deb ;D
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1871
Sutcombe
Higher Verworthy
Richard Brimacombe head unm 49 farmer 40 acres
William brother 44 farmer's assistant
John brother 40 "
William Edward nephew 10 Titus' dad
Now who does William Edward belomg to ...possibly John as he was next door in all the other censuses ...also John (b 1830) is married to Ruth in 1881 and they have a 2 year old son ...so possibly John was married prior and Charles (b 1879) may be William edward's step brother.
another note...
mary Bessie frain is with William's sister Bessie A Brimacombe in 1901 , as servants.!
John Brimacombe = Ruth Milford
Mar q 1878
Bideford
will look for john's first marriage
deb
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i am getting so confused over all these Brimacombe threads and Deb beats me to the look ups all the time too ;D ;D
it would be easier (for me) if you put all the detailson the one thread of who you have got and what you are looking for.
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Hiya Toni ;D
i am off to the doctor ... I will leave it up to you ...LOL
I am having a problem finding Mary Bessie Frain/e prior to 1901 ...
back later , have ye funne
deb :)
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Hi all :)
I am having a problem finding Mary Bessie Frain/e prior to 1901 ...
I think she's the Mary Friend here:
1881
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=3600089
RG11/2263 7 7
A quick look through BMD shows that the family were called Frain :)
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1891
RG12/1790 5 4
East Putford, Devon
Middle Hills
3 rooms occupied
John Frian, head, 47, Farmer, b. Buckland Brewer
Charlotte, wife, 44, b. Bradworthy
William, son, 19, Farm servant, b. East Putford
Polly, dau, 12, scholar, b. do.
Jane, dau, 8, scholar, b. do.
Beatrice, dau, 6, scholar, b. do.
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1871 shows Charlotte and John Frain on their own (John born ca. 1844 Frithelstock).
Marriage Jun 1870 Bideford 5b 968
John Frain - Charlotte Walter
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1861 (getting complicated)
RG9/1507 66 10
Bradworthy, Devon
Walter's Cottage, Bradworthy Town
Henry Walter Hancock, Head.lodger, wid, 60, Ag lab
William, son.lodger, 23, Boot & Shoe Maker
Charlotte, dau.lodger, 12
Thomas, son.lodger, 10
Emma, dau.lodger, 8
All born Bradworthy
1851
HO107/1895 652 13
Bradworthy, Devon
Henry Walter, head, 49, Farm Labourer
Ann, wife, 39
William, son, 11
Mary Grace, dau, 9
Richard, son, 7
Norah Jane, dau, 5
Charlotte, dau, 3
Thomas, son, * months
All born Bradworthy
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and John Frain ... (Interestingly, he's John Friend in 1861, a servant at Buckland Brewer)
1851
HO107/1895 399 10
Buckland Brewer, Devon
Silkland Cott
Henery Frain, head, 31*, Ag lab
Ann, wife, 37, Glover
Sarah Ann, dau, 9, Glover
John, son, 7
William H, son, 6
All born Frithelstock
*I thought Henry was 51 at first but 1861 shows him aged 40. They also have a daughter Susannah age 5 in 1861.
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Hi Tati
Thanks for finding her .... I had seen the Friend family and had checked original which was clearly 'Friend' ... I should have taken it a step further , like you ... Brilliant!
Have you figured out the Walter/ Hancock surname situation ? Did Charlotte just drop the Hancock or do you think it's a mistransciption.?
deb :)
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I'm not sure Deb! ???
1841 they are called Walter:
1841
HO107/256/15 6 7
Bradworthy, Devon
Henry Walter, 35, Ag lab
Ann, 25
Elizabeth, 8
John, 6
William, 4
Mary, 1
All born in county.
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It's rather strange Tati ...
On IGI there are no Henry WALTER bapt in Bradford , There is , however this from IGI:
Henry HANCOCK
23 Jan 1803 , Bradford
mother , Ann Hancock
I wonder if his dad was Mr Walter ?
deb
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Charlotte's birth was registered as Walter:
Charlotte Walter
Mar 1847 Bideford 10 59
(Is Frithelstock = Bradford, Deb? ???)
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Just looking at IGI for their eldest daughter ...Elizabeth b c 1833
No Elizabeth HANCOCK but there is Elizabeth Walter, 14 April 1833 , Bradford , parents ..Henry Walter and Anne, Extracted.
ummm
deb
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Hi Tati
Just had a look ...
Frithelstock = reg district: Torrington , sub reg dist, Great Torrington
Bradford = reg district Holsworthy , sub reg district Black Torrington
Have no idea how far apart they are ...
deb
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Mary Grace was registered as Walter too (1839), and she seems to marry as Mary Grace Walter in 1859. There's a possible death for Ann Walter Bideford 1854. Maybe Hancock is just a red herring ...
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Buckland Brewer = Reg dist Bideford, sub reg ..Parkham
So if Charlotte was born in Buckland Brewer ..she would have been registered in Bideford... but in 1841 and 1851 the family are all in Bradworthy ...do you think registration districts were different then .....
I will check 1841 censuses to see .... arrghhh ..getting confused !
re; Hancock ...henry was christened a HANCOCK by his mum , Ann ...I think his dad was a Walter ... I wonder if Ann, the mum , married him evetually ... rather interesting .
Also why use Walter as a surname except in 1861?
deb
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Just realising I was mixing the 2 families up! The Walters are from Bradworthy! :P
CHARLOTTE WALTER
Christening FEB 1847 Bradworthy, Devon
Father HENRY WALTER Mother ANN
NORAH JANE WALTER
Christening 18 APR 1844 Bradworthy, Devon
Father HENRY WALTER Mother ANN
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Likely marriage:
HENRY WALTER- ANNE MANNING
Marriage: 31 OCT 1831 Bradworthy, Devon
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1871
Sutcombe
Higher Verworthy
Richard Brimacombe head unm 49 farmer 40 acres
William brother 44 farmer's assistant
John brother 40 "
William Edward nephew 10 Titus' dad
Now who does William Edward belomg to ...possibly John as he was next door in all the other censuses ...also John (b 1830) is married to Ruth in 1881 and they have a 2 year old son ...so possibly John was married prior and Charles (b 1879) may be William edward's step brother.
Good one Tati ...i was getting really confused then ... ;D
Back to William Edward Brimacombe b 1860... he is the dad of Titus who is the dad of Isobelle ...
we don't know who his dad is ... Could be any of the brothers ...
in 1861
Sutcombe 3 Verworthy
Rebecca Brimacombe head wid farmer 47 acres ..b Cornwall , kilkhampton
Richard son unm 39...he looks like he inherrited the farm
William son unm 35
John son 30...he is the one always in the vicinity during the censuses , and married Ruth
Charles son unm 27
Edward son unm 20
This gives us no clue as the William Edward's dad ....
unless he is Edward's b1841, son ...with his name as the middle name .
deb
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Blimey .... Talk about a large family .... Maybe William Edward Brimacombe was the son of one of their daughters
1851
Sutcombe
4 Verworthy
Richard Brimacombe head mar 62 farmer of 40 acres , no labourers ;D b North petherwin
Rebecca wife 50, Cornwall Kilkhampton
Richard son 30
Elizabeth unm dau 27
William son unm 25
Susanna dau unm 23
John son unm 20
Charles son unm 18
Titus unm son 16
Edward son unm 10
No wonder they didn't need farm labourers ;D Amazing that they stuck together , all on the farm and all unmarried!
deb
added 1841= Same place , same people , just 10 years younger ;D
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Can't find Richard Brimacombe's marriage to Rebecca , I will check the children's baptisms to see if she is the mother to all of them or is maybe the 2nd wife ...
deb
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do we have William Edwards birth?
was it before the 1861 census?
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1861
RG9/1505 10 14
Hartland, Devon
Harton
Titus Brimacombe, head, 26, Police Constable, b. Sutcombe
Jane, wife, 24, b. Scotland
William E, son, 7 mo, b. Hartland
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i see you have found him, here is his birth:~
BRIMACOMBE William Edward Bideford 5b 468 Q3 1860
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ahhh Great job Tati .... Hi Toni ;D
IGI only shows a charistening of Richard Brimacombe, 3 nov 1822< Hallacombe. Father RICHARD .
Nothing for the other children ..... :-\
Great ...so now we can follow William edward Brimacombe b 1860, back on his mum's side too .... ::)
deb
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seems we may be headed to Scotland ... :D
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National archives :
DRO
ref; Z16/1/2/12/13
date; 8 aug 174
refers to John s/o Richard Brimacombe of sutcombe and Mary d/o Thomas Osborn of Kilkhampton
Some kind of lease , for 99 years :-\
eekk there are wills on NA ..for the Brimacombes .... still cannot do that copy and paste on here .....
deb
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yes you can Deb, if you copy as normal but when you want to paste just press ctrl and V together
if you can't copy on here i think its ctrl and c together but i can never remember that!
there are a lot of Brimacombes (and the like) in Devon i found some in the PR's previously (IGI, Phillimores)
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Marriage (IGI)
TITUS BRIMACOMBE - JANE SPENCE
11 JUL 1859 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
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oh i was hoping it wouldn't go to Scotland as i am not good at searching there in fact my (successful) searches seem to be limited to England / Wales only!
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Thanks Tati
and thanks for finding the marriage ...there was nothing in Devon , so I suspected that they married in Scotland ... I have no access to the Scottish info , except for the index ...
deb
ps ..snap Toni ! ::)
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18-Feb-1814 BRIMICOMBE James m. HONEYWELL Jane Ipplepen
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Titus' parents marriage:
William Edward BRIMACOMBE = Mary Jane MITCHELL
Holsworthy, mar q 1878
vol 5b p 829
deb ;D
Okay ...Re Mary Jane Mitchell b c 1860 , Pyworthy=...Titus Brimacombe b 1882 ...his mother;
1861:
Pyworthy
Road Cottage
William MITCHEL head mar 25 ag lab b Clowton, devon
Hannah wife 21 b Mamheadchurch Cornwall
Mary Jane dau 2 b PYWORTHY
next door Elizabeth davey wid 69
on the same page ;
a family of Brimacombes...the head is william b 1826, Liskeard Cornwall , his wife and family all born Pyworthy ... coincidence?
1871
Pyworthy
Grich?? Knowle
William Mitchell head mar 36 ag lab b Clowton
Hannah wife 30, Cornwall, mamheadchurch
Mary dau 12 b PYWORTHY
William son 9 b Pyworthy
Elizabeth dau 8 "
Samuel son 2 "
Elizabeth Davey lodger wid 79 b Holsworthy
this marriage looks good;
William MITCHELL = Hannah HARRIS
Dec 1858 Holsworthy
vol 5b p 925
deb ;D
a house away is Nathaniel HANCOCK and family
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Morning all :) Are you still with us, David? ;)
It seems William E Brimacombe's mother Jane dies young and dad Titus remarries in 1870
Dec 1870 Wandsworth 1d 867
Titus Brimacombe - Mary Ann Edwards
1871
RG10/710 68 5
Wandsworth All Saints
15 Ram Square
Titus Brimacombe, head, mar, 36, Gate porter, b. Devon Virworthy Sutcombe
Mary A, wife, 40, b. Somersetshire North Curry
Augustus, son, 8, b. Devon Hartland
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Hi Tati
Phew, just caught up and drawn it out - where next?
David
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we can work ont he Mitchell / Harris a little bit more, i have not really contributed much
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Morning everyone
further to William Mitchell ..Father of Mary jane , grandfather of Titus , b 1882
1841;
Clawton
Under Moor
Thomas Mitchel 35 ag lab
Elizabeth 25
John 9
Thomas 7
William 6
James 4
Mary 1
all born in county
On the same page is a William WALTER 20 ...we still need to sort out Henry Walter/Hancock situation :-\
also a Harris Family ....
1851
William Mitchell 15, unm , farm servant, b Clawton ...working for Farmer Trible in Luffincott, Devon.
IGI extracted
William MITCHEL
chr; 28 June 1835 Clawton
parents Thomas Mitchel and Elizabeth
IGI extracted
marriage
Thomas MITCHELL = Elizabeth HEARD
19 oct 1831
Clawton
deb
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Hi david ;D
another IGI extracted for you
Elizabeth Heard
12 April 1812
Clawton
parents; William Heard and Mary
I will follow up on Thomas Mitchell , Mary Jane's granddad ... can't find his christening in Clawton ... so I will look for him in 1851 and find out where he was born.
deb
ps ...I am out this morning ... will be back later :)
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Titus' parents marriage:
William Edward BRIMACOMBE = Mary Jane MITCHELL
Holsworthy, mar q 1878
vol 5b p 829
deb ;D
Okay ...Re Mary Jane Mitchell b c 1860 , Pyworthy=...Titus Brimacombe b 1882 ...his mother;
1861:
Pyworthy
Road Cottage
William MITCHEL head mar 25 ag lab b Clowton, devon
Hannah wife 21 b Mamheadchurch Cornwall
Mary Jane dau 2 b PYWORTHY
next door Elizabeth davey wid 69
on the same page ;
a family of Brimacombes...the head is william b 1826, Liskeard Cornwall , his wife and family all born Pyworthy ... coincidence?
1871
Pyworthy
Grich?? Knowle
William Mitchell head mar 36 ag lab b Clowton
Hannah wife 30, Cornwall, mamheadchurch
Mary dau 12 b PYWORTHY
William son 9 b Pyworthy
Elizabeth dau 8 "
Samuel son 2 "
Elizabeth Davey lodger wid 79 b Holsworthy
this marriage looks good;
William MITCHELL = Hannah HARRIS
Dec 1858 Holsworthy
vol 5b p 925
deb ;D
a house away is Nathaniel HANCOCK and family
The references to Mamhead Church are quite interesting, it would appear from the link as if Mamhead House was quite grand place:
http://www.devon.gov.uk/localstudies/110587/1.html
I wonder what the 1841/51 say about Hannah Harris?
David
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1851
HO107/1896 101 1
Pyworthy, Devon
Pyworthy Village
William Harris, head, 36, Ag lab, b. Cornwall Tarpoint
Betsy, wife, 38, b. Devon Clawton
Jane, dau, 17, b. do.
Mary, dau, 14, b. do.
Hannah, dau, 11, b. Cornwall Marumchurch
Margaret, dau, 9, b. Devon Clawton
Elizabeth, dau, 6, b. Devon Pyworthy
Norah, dau, 4, b. do.
William, son, 1, b. do.
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Hi
I'm back ;D
In 1841 , Hannah and her parents and sisters Jane and mary are living at, New buildings , Clawton.
apologies for this ... In 1861 Hannah POB ...Now looks like Marhamchurch which goes with Tati's Marumchurch ... can't understand why I saw mamheadchurch :-[ :-X
This is the only marriage that I can find of a Thomas Harris to a Hannah Betsey ... and I am not sure how far or near Stoke Damerel is the Pyworthy or Clawton
Thomas Harris = Hannah BETSEY Jarvis Hannaford
8 june 1829 Stoke Damerel
extracted
deb
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further to William Mitchell ..Father of Mary jane , grandfather of Titus , b 1882
IGI extracted
William MITCHEL
chr; 28 June 1835 Clawton
parents Thomas Mitchel and Elizabeth
IGI extracted
marriage
Thomas MITCHELL = Elizabeth HEARD
19 oct 1831
Clawton
deb
Further to Thomas Mitchell f/o William who is f/o Mary Jane who is m/o Titus b 1882.
We had found him in 1841 where it said yes to born in county (Clawton, Devon). In 1851 he and family are still in Clawton at Hunder Moor... but it says he was born Lincolinhorne (sic), Cornwall.
this is extracted , IGI
christening
Thomas Mitchell , 27 Feb 1803, Linkinhorne
parents;
William Mitchell and Mary
ummm ...his DOB is off a little :-\
deb
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Hi
I'm back ;D
In 1841 , Hannah and her parents and sisters Jane and mary are living at, New buildings , Clawton.
apologies for this ... In 1861 Hannah POB ...Now looks like Marhamchurch which goes with Tati's Marumchurch ... can't understand why I saw mamheadchurch :-[ :-X
This is the only marriage that I can find of a Thomas Harris to a Hannah Betsey ... and I am not sure how far or near Stoke Damerel is the Pyworthy or Clawton
Thomas Harris = Hannah BETSEY Jarvis Hannaford
8 june 1829 Stoke Damerel
extracted
deb
Hi deb
I don't know what you mean by scoring through Hannah am I being thick?
???
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Stoke Damerel is in Plymouth Pyworthy is about 30 miles away
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further to William Mitchell ..Father of Mary jane , grandfather of Titus , b 1882
IGI extracted
William MITCHEL
chr; 28 June 1835 Clawton
parents Thomas Mitchel and Elizabeth
IGI extracted
marriage
Thomas MITCHELL = Elizabeth HEARD
19 oct 1831
Clawton
deb
Further to Thomas Mitchell f/o William who is f/o Mary Jane who is m/o Titus b 1882.
We had found him in 1841 where it said yes to born in county (Clawton, Devon). In 1851 he and family are still in Clawton at Hunder Moor... but it says he was born Lincolinhorne (sic), Cornwall.
this is extracted , IGI
christening
Thomas Mitchell , 27 Feb 1803, Linkinhorne
parents;
William Mitchell and Mary
ummm ...his DOB is off a little :-\
deb
Linkinhorne is a fair way frrom the rest of the clan - might not be right
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Hi
I am returning to the Fraine side of the family as we seem to have been ignoring them :-\ ;D
so we have Mary Bessie Fraine b 1879 , Bideford. She married Titus Brimacombe.
Mary Bessie Fraine's parents = John Fraine (1844) and Charlotte Walter ( d/o Henry Walter Hancock :-\)
John Fraine b 1844, Buckland Brewer : His parents Henry Fraine (1820 Buckland Brewer) and Ann ??b c 1814 Frithelstock
family of Henry Fraine b 1820, BB
1841
Frithelstock, extra parochial place called Milford
Samuel FRAINE 45 farmer Y
Susanna 40 Y
Elizabeth 23 Y
HENRY 20 Y
Mary Ann 18 Y
Uriah 15Y
Susanna 13 Y
Lucillia 11 Y
Thirza 7 Y
John 3 Y
i see that Frithelstock has a hundred of Shebear. Buckland Brewer as a hundred of Shebear too :-\
IGI extracted
Samuel Fraine = Susanna Jenkin
29 sept 1817, Buckland Brewer.
the above couple would then be the great grandparents of Mary Bessie Fraine b 1879.
deb
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sorry David ...I scratch through Hannah's name as I had made a mistake , as she was Betsy not Hannah ... I can delete the scored through part if you would like . :)
I will recheck for Thomas Mitchell in 1861 just to make sure he says he was born in Cornwall Linkinhorne.
The names are getting confusing as all the forenames of each family keep repeating themselves ... LOL
deb 8)
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David - following your PM here's Hannah Harris in 1841:
HO107/256/20 7 8
Clawton, Devon
New Buildings
William Harris, 25, Ag lab, yes
Betsey, 25, yes
Jane, 7, yes
Mary, 3, yes
Hannah, 1, no
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In 1861 ... Thomas Mitchell is 57 but has been mistranscribed as being 37 ... He is still with his wife Elizabeth (49, b Clawton)... He clearly states that he was born Linkinghorne, Cornwall ...
deb
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and John Frain ... (Interestingly, he's John Friend in 1861, a servant at Buckland Brewer)
1851
HO107/1895 399 10
Buckland Brewer, Devon
Silkland Cott
Henery Frain, head, 31*, Ag lab
Ann, wife, 37, Glover
Sarah Ann, dau, 9, Glover
John, son, 7
William H, son, 6
All born Frithelstock
*I thought Henry was 51 at first but 1861 shows him aged 40. They also have a daughter Susannah age 5 in 1861.
I see this marriage
Henry Fraine June q 1843
torrington
same page : Ann Squire.
deb
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family of Henry Fraine b 1820, BB
1841
Frithelstock, extra parochial place called Milford
Samuel FRAINE 45 farmer Y
Susanna 40 Y
Elizabeth 23 Y
HENRY 20 Y
Mary Ann 18 Y
Uriah 15Y
Susanna 13 Y
Lucillia 11 Y
Thirza 7 Y
John 3 Y
i see that Frithelstock has a hundred of Shebear. Buckland Brewer as a hundred of Shebear too :-\
IGI extracted
Samuel Fraine = Susanna Jenkin
29 sept 1817, Buckland Brewer.
the above couple would then be the great grandparents of Mary Bessie Fraine b 1879.
deb
guess who is living 3 houses away from Henry frain in 1841...
Daniel Squire 70 ag lab Y
Ann Squire 25 y
Henry Fraine = Ann Squire June q 1843
deb
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Hi David ....
are you there ? ;D How is the tree looking ... What gaps need filling in?
deb ;D
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Morning all :) Are you still with us, David? ;)
It seems William E Brimacombe's mother Jane dies young and dad Titus remarries in 1870
Dec 1870 Wandsworth 1d 867
Titus Brimacombe - Mary Ann Edwards
1871
RG10/710 68 5
Wandsworth All Saints
15 Ram Square
Titus Brimacombe, head, mar, 36, Gate porter, b. Devon Virworthy Sutcombe
Mary A, wife, 40, b. Somersetshire North Curry
Augustus, son, 8, b. Devon Hartland
1881
"Royal Hospital For Incurables" Putney Heath
Wandsworth, Surrey, England
RG11 Piece / Folio 0660 / 86 1
Titus Brimacomb
Officer M Male 46 Sutcombe, Devon, England Gate Keeper
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Hi David ....
are you there ? ;D How is the tree looking ... What gaps need filling in?
deb ;D
Its helluva big, we haven't followed Jane whats her name back to Scotland yet
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1861
RG9/1505 10 14
Hartland, Devon
Harton
Titus Brimacombe, head, 26, Police Constable, b. Sutcombe
Jane, wife, 24, b. Scotland
William E, son, 7 mo, b. Hartland
Marriage (IGI)
TITUS BRIMACOMBE - JANE SPENCE
11 JUL 1859 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Morning all :) Are you still with us, David? ;)
It seems William E Brimacombe's mother Jane dies young and dad Titus remarries in 1870
Dec 1870 Wandsworth 1d 867
Titus Brimacombe - Mary Ann Edwards
1871
RG10/710 68 5
Wandsworth All Saints
15 Ram Square
Titus Brimacombe, head, mar, 36, Gate porter, b. Devon Virworthy Sutcombe
Mary A, wife, 40, b. Somersetshire North Curry
Augustus, son, 8, b. Devon Hartland
here are the details ...just to remind us ...seems that William Edward Brimacombe had a brother Augustus ..by jane ... mustn't forget him off the family tree. :)
Ummmm I'm not very good with Scxottish info ... and Jane Spence has not given us any clues as to where in Scotland she was born . Most probably near where she was married to Titus ... so will start in that area ..
deb
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Hospital for the Incurables:
The Royal Hospital was established in July 1854 at a meeting held at the Mansion House, chaired by the Lord Mayor of London. The founder, Andrew Reed, had a record as a practical philanthropist, and responded to a plea from the author Charles Dickens to:
"give permanent relief to such persons as are hopelessly disqualified for the duties of life," but "not to interfere with the endeavours of existing charities, but to take action precisely where their action ceased."
The Royal Hospital was originally called the Hospital for Incurables and was based in a converted workhouse in Carshalton, Surrey. In 1857, a more spacious house was leased in Putney, and finally in 1865, patients were moved to the hospital's present site on West Hill, Putney. In 1919, the organisation received its Royal Charter, becoming the Royal Hospital and Home for Incurables.
The building on West Hill in Putney had originally been a hunting lodge (Melrose Lodge) and was purchased with 24 acres of land, on which, until the 1960s, the hospital operated a working farm. Much of the land has now been developed, but the Royal Hospital retains spacious landscaped gardens for the use of patients, relatives and staff. These grounds are also used to hold concerts, fundraising receptions and host a local primary school's annual Sports Day.
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David ...
I wonder what was wrong with Titus ... :-\ What relation would he be to you?
Maybe you could order his death cert ... shall we tried to find it ?
deb
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Re Ann Fraine nee Squire
IGI extracted
Ann Squire
4 aug 1814
Bulkworthy devon .... is this near to Frithelstock??
parents ; Daniel Squire and Sarah
deb
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David ...
I wonder what was wrong with Titus ... :-\ What relation would he be to you?
Maybe you could order his death cert ... shall we tried to find it ?
deb
Titus wasn't ill he was the gate porter
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ye gawds ... I am going crazy today :o :o
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Marriage
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Frithelstock/FrithelstockMarriages.html
SQUIRE Daniel Chancelry of Bulkworthy
BLIGHT Sarah
Frithelstock Mar/23/1796
Witnesses:
Thomas Fursman John Squire
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IGI
Daniel Squire birth about 1774 Of Galsworth, Bulkworthy, Devon, England
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Re Ann Fraine nee Squire
IGI extracted
Ann Squire
4 aug 1814
Bulkworthy devon .... is this near to Frithelstock??
parents ; Daniel Squire and Sarah
deb
Less than 10 miles thus within courting range - where there's a will there's a way!
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Hi David
In 1841 Ann Squire was living a few doors away from Henry Fraine ...so it seems her family must have moved there from Bulkworthy.
Her dad's name sounds quite posh ... :D
good finds!
deb
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Morning David ...
what needs filling in ... I keep on having to reread everything .. ;D
you have the tree ... so put us in the right direction
deb :D
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Haven't got time today to update it unfortunately, got to drive home to pick up the kids from school. Only got 20minutes :P
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Likely marriage:
HENRY WALTER- ANNE MANNING
Marriage: 31 OCT 1831 Bradworthy, Devon
Hi David ... We have not yet found any of Ann Manning's family ...
Ann Walter nee Manning is Charlotte Walter's mother , Charlotte Walter married John Fraine ......parents of Mary Bessie Fraine= Titus Brimacombe
Re , Jane Spence of Scotland ...maybe you could post on the scottish boards and see if anyone can find info for you ... It may be difficult as Jane does not give any town/parish as her place of birth .
deb
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Good idea off to Scotland Board I go
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1861 (getting complicated)
RG9/1507 66 10
Bradworthy, Devon
Walter's Cottage, Bradworthy Town
Henry Walter Hancock, Head.lodger, wid, 60, Ag lab
William, son.lodger, 23, Boot & Shoe Maker
Charlotte, dau.lodger, 12
Thomas, son.lodger, 10
Emma, dau.lodger, 8
All born Bradworthy
1851
HO107/1895 652 13
Bradworthy, Devon
Henry Walter, head, 49, Farm Labourer
Ann, wife, 39.....this is Ann Manning
William, son, 11
Mary Grace, dau, 9
Richard, son, 7
Norah Jane, dau, 5
Charlotte, dau, 3 she married JOHN FRAINE
Thomas, son, * months
All born Bradworthy
Just bringing this forward so we don't have to refer back.
IGI extracted
ANN MANNING
14 June 1812
parents ; John Manning and Elizabeth
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1841
Bradworthy Village
Walter Henry M 35 Ag. lab Y
Walter Ann F 25 ....... Y
Walter Elizabeth F 8 ....... Y
Walter John M 6 ....... Y
Walter William M 4 ....... Y
Walter Mary F 1 ....... Y
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Bradworthy/Bradworthy1841.html
and many more walters on that site too!
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Ann Manning b c 1812 ...these are her siblings;
all children of John Manning and Elizabeth , all christened Bradworthy
Mary 1808
Betsey 1810
Grace 1815
Sally 1817
Harriet 1819
IGI extracted Marriage
John MANNING = Elizabeth DREW
19 Nov 1807
Bradworthy
There is this submitted record
Sarah Manning 1815 Bradworthy
parents John Manning and Elizabeth Drew
no date of christening ::)
deb
ps ...just seen your post ... does that family add up to the family Tati found in 1851?
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oooo thanks for the link , David
Did you see in 1841
Bradworthy Vicarage
John MANNING 65
Elizabeth Manning 53........ nee DREW
Harriot 20
William 12
William ALLIN 2
Sarah DREW 85
This adds up with the IGI baptisms ... see Harriet b 1819, sister of Ann Manning who married henry WALTER
Will see if Elizabeth DREW has a Mother named Sarah ...
hope I am making sense
deb ;D
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sorry i've not been much help, i intended to do some look ups but have got waylaid!
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No Problem Toni ... maybe you can do a summary ... LOL
where were you waylaid ....? at ye Olde Rootschat Inne, perchance ;D ;D
deb
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trying to do some sort of Summary!:~
BRIMICOMBE:~
Richard H b. 1822
William b. 1827
John E B. 1831 Pancrasweek m. Q1 1878 Bideford Ruth Milford b. 1841 Pancrasweek (Ruth died Q4 1894 Holsworthy)
Titus b. 1835 Sutcombe m.11 July 1859 Edinburgh Jane Spence b. 1837 Scotland
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Charles E b. 1879 Bideford (s.o John E & Ruth) - m.Q3 1900 Stratton Emma Jane Hambley b. 1877 Cornwall
William Edward b Q3 1860 Bideford (Hartland) (s/o Titus & Jane) m. Q1 1878 Holsworthy Mary Jane Mitchell b. 1859 Pyworth (William Edward died. Q4 1892 Holsworthy)
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Titus b. 1901 (s/o Charles E & Emma Jane)
Bessy A b. 1879 pyworthy (d/o William Edward & Mry Jane)
William A b. 1880 Pancrasweek m. Annie ……. (s/o do.)
Titus b. 1882 do. M.Mary Bessie Fraine 1907 (d/o do.),
Edward b. 1884 do. (s/o do.)
Francis b. 1885 do. (do.)
Ernest b. 1898 do. (do.)
Gladys b. 1899 do. (d/o do.)
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Francis b. 1901 (s/o William A & Annie)
Isabel mary b. Q3 1911 Holsworthy (d/o titus & Mary Bessie)
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Hi,
I am a direct relative to the Frain family of Putford. I have lots of info if anyone needs help. Mary Bessie Frain was my great Grandmothers sister.
Kind regards
Kath
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Hi,
I am a direct relative to the Frain family of Putford. I have lots of info if anyone needs help. Mary Bessie Frain was my great Grandmothers sister.
Kind regards
Kath
Kath, how far back do your Frains go, and where? I believe my grandfather Thomas Joseph Frain was born in Mayo in 1877.
Please share whatever you can. Thanks!
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Hi,
I am a direct relative to the Frain family of Putford. I have lots of info if anyone needs help. Mary Bessie Frain was my great Grandmothers sister.
Kind regards
Kath
Kath, how far back do your Frains go, and where? I believe my grandfather Thomas Joseph Frain was born in Mayo in 1877.
Please share whatever you can. Thanks!
Hi, I can't trace any of my Frains to Ireland I'm afraid, my Frains go back early 1600's still in Devon.
Kath
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Thanks, Kath. I don't know if they were on their way to Ireland then or if they'd had to leave Ireland for one reason or another.
It was known to have happened, don't you know"
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Thanks, Kath. I don't know if they were on their way to Ireland then or if they'd had to leave Ireland for one reason or another.
It was known to have happened, don't you know"
It was my understanding that Frain comes from Du Fraine (something like that!) which is French, I believe some settled in Devon while the rest carried on to Ireland.