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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: Stovepipe on Tuesday 29 January 08 15:56 GMT (UK)
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Hi RootsChatters,
In the 1881 census Alfred STREET (b. 1841, Petworth Sussex) and his wife Ann are living at 39 Parade, Birmingham. (RG11/2968/38/2)
Both have the occupation "Licensed Victualler".
I take it that means 39 Parade was a public house. Does anybody know its name?
Cheers,
Stovepipe
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Hi RootsChatters,
In the 1881 census Alfred STREET (b. 1841, Petworth Sussex) and his wife Ann are living at 39 Parade, Birmingham. (RG11/2968/38/2)
Both have the occupation "Licensed Victualler".
I take it that means 39 Parade was a public house. Does anybody know its name?
Cheers,
Stovepipe
Hi Stovepipe..'Parade' is not a pub..its part of Summerhill in the centre of Birmingham..near the hall of memory. :)
Derek.
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Hi Stovepipe,
1n 1881 Alfred Street was at the 39 Parade pub in Birmingham as Licensed Victualler
Heres what it says
Alfred Street b Petsworth Sussex age 40
Ann wife b Stroud Glouc age 55
Walter Hewlett nephew b Stroud age 50 occ coach painter
Caroline Hewlett neice b Birmingham age 15
Sue
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Derek,
Thanks for giving me a better idea of the location - that helps. But I took "39 Parade" to be the street address, not the pub name (why else would I have asked for the pub name ??? ). Sorry if I wasn't clear about that.
Sue,
Thanks for your alternate reading of the 1881 census. Does it really say "Petsworth"? I used the LDS transcription - the place in Sussex has the name Petworth.
But I'd still like to know the name of the pub, if anyone can help.
Cheers,
Stovepipe
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Hi Stovepipe,
You are correct no s in Petworth sorry about that. :) :)
It gives establishment, pub, as 39 Parade so this would be name of pub.
Sue
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Many thanks, Sue.
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There's a picture of 'The Parade' in Birmingham here, but it doesn't show a pub ~ not even sure if it's the right parade:
http://www.pbase.com/beppuu/image/34808239
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Hello All
Derek & Tricia are correct.Parade was part of the main highway into B'ham from Smethwick Staffs.It consisted entirely of shops,businesses & obviously pubs.39 Parade is the address.
I can tell you that in 1896 it belonged to JH Forrester who sold Brittania metal wares.
Tricia...the photo you have is of the Parade..If my memory is correct I think I gave it to you...isn't your rellies false leg shop on it?
Regards
Jim
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I have got a list of all the pubs in B'ham c.1870 if you want them,but it runs to 8 pages.
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Hi Jim,
Does your list give the licensee and/or the address of each pub?
Cheers,
Stovepipe
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Hi Jim,
Does your list give the licensee and/or the address of each pub?
Cheers,
Stovepipe
Hi Stovepipe,
These websites may be useful when searching for a pub ...
www.breweryhistory.com
www.sfowler.force9.co.uk/page_27.htm
Christopher
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Does your list give the licensee and/or the address of each pub?
It gives name,licensee & address.
I have uploaded them to my website on the left of this page.
P/word:freya
go to photos > index & open folder "pubs".
Have fun
Jim
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Many thanks, Jim - that's a great resource.
Seems like there were two or three pubs in Parade, but none with the right street number or licensee.
My subject, Alfred Street, married a woman 15 years older than himself (according to the 1881 census). I wonder if she was a licensee before the marriage? When I find out her former name I might revisit your site looking for her.
Thanks again,
Stovepipe
PS Your third & fourth pictures are identical images of page 362.
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PS Your third & fourth pictures are identical images of page 362.
Yes I noticed that & took 1 out. :-[
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I think her name was Hewlett.She is in service with Alfred in 1861 :)
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Marr:
Mar. 1865/B'ham/6d/100
Alfred Street=Sarah Hirons or Ann Hewlett :) :)
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Thanks, Jim.
And thanks to your pub list I've found a James Street at the Swan Commercial Hotel. Now Alfred had an older brother James whom I've not yet researched. I wonder ...
Cheers,
Stovepipe
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Go and rest your eyes :D
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Hi Stovepipe,
If you go to www.1881pubs.com and enter your man Alfred Street and birmingham you will see where i got info from.
Sue :) :)
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Hi Sue,
Many thanks for the link - the site is new to me and could be useful in future.
I see they publish this little caveat:
Some establishments are not even listed as pubs, but just a number and a road (eg. 10 High St) - but if the head of the household was a "publican", "inn keeper", "licenced victualler, "beer seller" etc we have assumed that this was a pub.
I think that applies in this case, and I made exactly that assumption myself when I first looked at the 1881 census.
Well, I'm grateful to my licensed victualler for bringing me to this friendly and helpful Warwickshire board - I've enjoyed my holiday here - but now I'm off back to Sussex where most of my lot are from.
Regards,
Stovepipe
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Tricia...the photo you have is of the Parade..If my memory is correct I think I gave it to you...
I just happened to find it on the Internet. What a coincidence, it being yours! :)