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Some Special Interests => Occupation Interests => Topic started by: kimthomas on Sunday 27 January 08 18:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi does anyone know what a stay sticher is?
Kim
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Stays = corsets. Therefore, I guess they sewed corsetts ?
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Or just made the stays which someone else made into corsets?
Andrea
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Hard to be sure without knowing the context where you found it (if it's in the census, let us know the full reference so we can have a look).
At a guess, though, I'd say it might be a corset maker, and whoever wrote it down couldn't spell 'stitcher'. Corsets were also known as stays, and staymaker often appears as an occupation.
Mean_genie
Mum44 and Andrea beat me to it!
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Stays = corsets. Therefore, I guess they sewed corsetts ?
Thank you for that!
they say You learn something new every day well this must be my something LOL
Kim
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altho, as she was in Northants, there might be a link to the shoe / boot making industry, so could have also been a Seam stay Stitcher ... ;)
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Yes Newsfer kindly found it for me
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,281862.0/topicseen.html
Kim
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Hello again
now im confused with what i learn't LOL
most of family were in shoes (pardon the pun)
Kim
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Hello again
now im confused with what i learn't LOL
most of family were in shoes (pardon the pun)
Kim
Was Old Mother Hubbard one of your lot ???
Christopher
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Use Google search engine and youll find some references specific and also links to 'old occupations' sites ....
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Well - I may be about to learn my something new for today. :)
I thought stays as in shoe making were the wooden frames or patterns the shoe or boot was built on, and I for one wouldn't like to have to stitch one of them ! ::)
So - are they?
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I have no idea ;D
but seam-stay stitcher is/was an industry job ..... :P
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Been googling.
a seam-stay- sticher is one who stay-stitches a seam so that it wont stretch when bent.
a shoe stay is a wooden shoe-shaped frame, described as an antique,of which I have down loaded an image , which for the life of me I can't work out how put on here - never having tried before ! ! ! ??? :'( ???
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:D Only just seen this - when I used to make stage costumes, (don't say in the good old days .... please ;D ) we used stay stitching for any part of the garment you did not want to stretch. :-\
Sometimes because material is cut on the cross of the thread for special effects it is hard to handle without this stitching to hold it in place until sewn together. The stitching is slightly larger version of that used in seams, can also be used to ease things into place such as the head of a sleeve.
I know what I am trying to say but I hope it makes sense ???
Crystal :D
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Crystal clear ;)
Thanks to mary I now have her in 1871 & she is a Clothing Machinist
So it looks like the corsetts have it sewn up ;D
Kim
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So we've all learned our something new today - and I might get 2 lessons if I could work out how to post the saved image of a shoe last !
mary
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From "The Dictionary of Occupational Terms"A corset stitcher sewed, by machine, strips of facing material to the underside of the corset, ready for the insertion of flexible steels, stitched an extra pice of material inside the strap to prevent the steels working through, then turned the raw edge of the corset under a strip at the back and the front. In big factories where the work was sub-divided, workers were sometimes specifically designated, e.g., front stitcher, back stitcher. A corset machinist, or corset maker sewed together the pieces of the material which formed the corset. A corset sewer, or hand sewer, sewed on the bows and trimmings.
Stan
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Thank goodness for Lycra!
Mean_genie
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Sometimes because material is cut on the cross of the thread for special effects it is hard to handle without this stitching to hold it in place until sewn together. The stitching is slightly larger version of that used in seams, can also be used to ease things into place such as the head of a sleeve.
Crystal :D
Isn't this normally known as tacking?
I also thought the wooden "feet" on which shoes were made were known as lasts. I was brought up surrounded by the shoe industry in Northampton and never heard the term "stay" being used.
David
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See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,271915.msg1559281.html#msg1559281
which is about Lasts for shoes.
Stan
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Well, I always thought the stay was the frame for making them and the last was the block the menders used - like a 3-legged piece of metal with different sized flat bits on each end ?
I have a picture of a stay..... stuck in my image file!
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I click on the insert image icon above here and just get [img][img]
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The dictionary definition of a Last is a wooden model of the foot, on which shoemakers shape boots and shoes.
Stan
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I have a picture of a stay..... stuck in my image file!
(http://)(http://)
I click on the insert image icon above here and just get [img][img]
Mum44 you need to click on the location of the image and then copy and paste that in between the [img] tags.
- Belinda.
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Having spent a whole Easter holiday while at college sorting them I can assure you that the wooden "feet" used in making shoes are called lasts.
David
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Even today stays are inserted into some of the beautiful, ornate, form fitting gowns worn for important evening occasions.
Beth
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Sometimes because material is cut on the cross of the thread for special effects it is hard to handle without this stitching to hold it in place until sewn together. The stitching is slightly larger version of that used in seams, can also be used to ease things into place such as the head of a sleeve.
Crystal :D
Isn't this normally known as tacking?
David
::) I don't mean to be disagreeable David but tacking consists of large stitches that hold two pieces of material together temporarily until they are sewn or
permanently fixed. Whereas stay stitching is usually done on a single layer of fabric before use.
Crystal :D
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Tacking, stay-stitching, ...it's all coming back to me now, those school needlework lessons! I must have been such a trial to the poor woman who tried to teach me - Mrs Marsh, I'm sorry I was so useless, but I was trying.
Mean_genie