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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: niftynita on Sunday 27 January 08 14:10 GMT (UK)
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Hello and g'day from OZ,
I'm just wanting to find out what details there might be if I got a copy of the marriage register transcription for St Pancras 1825.
Does anyone know what it might have as info on it - will it state the ages of the bride and groom, and possibly where they were born or living at the time of marriage? ??? ???
I've looked up the IGI and have recorded all relevant batch nos etc. I have never got anything this early before (only done 1837 onwards up to this point)....
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks nita
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Hi nita,
Going by my experience with parish registers in Dorset you will find their condition (spinster etc), the parish they were living in, witnesses and if the marriage was by Banns or Licence. Sometimes "with parents consent" if not of full age.
I've not seen any London ones but I guess it would be the same, hope that helps.
Nanny Jan
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Nita
They would be pretty much as Nanny Jan describes, the format for marriage registers was laid down by Hardwicke's Marriage Act of 1753, and the printed forms that most parishes used from that date did not allow space for extra detail, though once in a while you might find an extra note squeezed in. Your best hope of extra infromation would be if the marriage was by licence (most were after banns), in which case you might find some extra details on the allegation for the licence itself. (The licence was the paper given to the bride or groom, the allegation was the part that was kept by the issuing authority).
Mean_genie
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Hello
I live in Oz and have a CD of the London Marriage Lic. Will look at it and get back to you. Sue
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marriage lic.details sometimes show "age about" or "widow of John Smith".
Who are you looking for?
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marriage lic.details sometimes show "age about" or "widow of John Smith".
Who are you looking for?
Hi nahbois,
I'm looking for Joseph Frith (think it was spelt Freeth) and Ann Overy. I'm more interested in Frith, as I have no details, and it might help if I knew his age or where he was born, as there were so many in England around the turn of the century. I think I found Ann's birth/christening on the IGI.
Your help is much appreciated.
Anita
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Many thanks to Nanny Jan and Mean_genie, that helps explain a few things. I do hope that it was by licence.
Nanny Jan, do you have a copy of one of those Dorset ones, as I'd love to have a look at an image if you can attach?
Thanks
Anita
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Sorry Anita but I don't have any images; my information came from hunting for people on the www.dorset-opc.com website. :(
Nanny Jan
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Hi Anita.
I will get onto it now. You would never imagine this but someone helped me on this site today to find a distant grandfather and he was married in London and his first wife was Elizabeth Overee. I do not doubt there would be many ways of spelling that! She died prior to having any children. Small world huh?
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Just checked London Marriage Lic. 1521-1869 and no sign of your rellies I am afraid. I also have the parish records on CD which are supposed to be of St.Pancras. No sign there either. My rellies were married there in the 1780's but I think there must be two St.Pancras. My rellies were married in Old Church St. Pancras and the records I have are of St. Pancras, Soper Lane. Sorry I could be of more help. Sue
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I think there must be two St.Pancras. My rellies were married in Old Church St. Pancras and the records I have are of St. Pancras, Soper Lane.
These are indeed completely separate parishes in different parts of London: St Pancras Soper Lane was in the City of London, badly damaged in the Great Fire of 1666 and never rebuilt. Other than the dedication to St Pancras it had no connection with St Pancras Old Church and its surrounding area, including the civil parish/registration district of St Pancras.
Anna
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Thank you Anna but where is St. Pancras Old Church situated please?
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Thank you Anna but where is St. Pancras Old Church situated please?
It's in grounds off Pancras Road, between St Pancras International Station and King's Cross Station.
The civil parish named after it was truly huge and stretched all the way up to Highgate.
Anna
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Thank you Anna. I'm learning.......
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Hi Anna and Sue
I'm sure the IGI said the marriage took place at the Old Church St Pancras. Handy to know where, just in case I ever get back to London (not likely unless a money tree starts growing down the backyard lol). Sue, It was just too bad that the CD you have has St Pancras Soper Lane and not the Old Church.
I guess I'm just not destined to find out any more. Although I will try and get a look at the IGI film/fiche sometime. Maybe I'll get lucky!
The thing is, I am after a son of theirs - I haven't been able to find a birth in England (abt 1840), I know he emigrated to Queensland OZ in about the 1860s (records lost), he married in 1872 (have seen a copy of marriage certificate), he fathered 13 children, but can't find a death record.
So he wasn't born, he didn't die, but he married and fathered a stack of children - really weird eh! ??? ??? ???
I just thought there may have been a clue with his father's whereabouts to start searching in various census (1841 & 1851) and possibly track him down that way.
Anyway, thanks for checking, and its always good to find out new things. I'm sure it will come in useful sometime.
Cheers
Anita 8)
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Thanks Nanny Jan,
I'll check out the Dorset OPC site and look up some others. At least I'll have an idea what info to expect now.
Anita
8) :D
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I'm sure the IGI said the marriage took place at the Old Church St Pancras. Handy to know where, just in case I ever get back to London (not likely unless a money tree starts growing down the backyard lol). Sue, It was just too bad that the CD you have has St Pancras Soper Lane and not the Old Church.
Just to let you know that, although the IGI entries say St Pancras Old Church, a marriage in 1825 is likely to have taken place in St Pancras New Church, completed in 1822 as the new parish church about half a mile away on the other side of Euston Road. Confusingly, the registers indexed on IGI continued under the name of the Old Church even after the move to the New Church!
Here are some pictures of the New Church:
http://www.stpancraschurch.org/index.php?id=25
Anna
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Hi Anna
Thanks for sending me the link for the church. Its beautiful. It must have seemed extremely grand when it was first built back in the 1820s. Even now, it seems rather imposing inside. Never know, one day I might get to see it, but the website is great to find out about it.
I'll have to find out about some other churches around England, to see if I can find any others around to get a look. The only one I significantly remember relating to family history from my visit to the UK nearly 20 years ago, was a beautiful church at Upwey, Dorset, which had wonderful roses painted at the top of each archway. I believe this church was where my GGG GM was married.
Thanks again for the information. :D :D
Cheers Anita