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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: Gert on Sunday 27 January 08 04:40 GMT (UK)
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I have come across a mini tree compiled by the Rev Charles Kerry c1833, which contains some of my Kerry family from Smalley Derbyshire, at the top of this tree it says,
There is a tradition in the family that the first of the Kerrys of Smalley was an "Officer from Wales"
Would anyone have any idea what this refers to please?
I have seen the Smalley site.
Sylvia
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Hi Sylvia
I think..... the word "tradition" does not mean in this case, something that was and is always done as in a "continuing or repeated family tradition". I think it refers to a family legend that has been passed down the generations....eg:
Family Legend says that the first Kerry to settle in Smalley was Welsh, and he was an Officer (perhaps of the Army or even of a Ship in iwhich case possibly Naval....? but I guess it depends on the time period of that initial settlement).
So way way back in 1833, there was an old unproven family tale regarding their origins in Smalley!
Cheers ;D
AMBY
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Hope you don't mind - I just found the item you refer to and am having a good read of it, and of the Biographical article on Rev Charles......very interesting and facinating to read...! Even more so to read the Article and then see them on the tree. Luck you to have this <green envy smiley> I think the tree was compiled in 1875 though? Certainley after 1864. anyway.
http://freespace.virgin.net/ar.indexes/puttcharleskerry.htm
http://freespace.virgin.net/ar.indexes/DerbyshireAD.pdf
http://freespace.virgin.net/ar.indexes/CKPedigree.jpg
Cheers
AMBLY
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I don`t mind at all Ambly, yes that is the mini tree i found, though Charles himself was only a 2nd cousin to my lot.
Thank you for the explanation that the family may have originally come from Wales to settle in Smalley, i will bear that in mind if i manage to get further back.
I may have to invest in the book he wrote on the history of Smalley to see if there is anything in it.
Thank you
Sylvia
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Hello Sylvia,
I can't add anything about the possible Welsh origins of the Kerrys of Smalley but you may have seen that I have been able to add some detail to CK's original Kerry pedigree.
Being curious, may I ask which Smalley Kerry you are connected to?
Regards
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Firstly Penna, let me congratulate you on a great site, i have recently found the page about the village of Smalley and the links at the bottom are very interesting reading.
My connection is through Thomas Rogers (1721 and Mary Kerry and their son Samuel (1760) who was my 3x gt grandfather.
Regards Sylvia
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Hello, What a wonderful site, my interest in Smalley is through John Dobbs,1794-1876, who married Lydia Kerry, my 3xgreatgrandparents, their son Thomas b1833, married Ann Hart.I have just bought a booklet from theDFHS, called,"Footsteps through Smalley.Ido believe that my ancestors there where stonemasons. Best Wishes Clive.
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Hello,
Im new here. I'm doing Genealogy of the Kerrys. I'm not sure if you are able to help me. I looked at your family tree. I was wondering if you have any information on the William Kerry born 1802. This is possibly part of my family. His wife name is Mary he has 8 children. He was a cotton framework knitter. Please let me know if you have any information on him thanks
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Hi, sorry for the long delay. William Kerry, b11 april 1802 son of William and Hannah(Grundy). Others in family are Lydia 1798 (myancestor) Samuel 1800, Hannah 1804, Richard 1806 Sarah 1808 Ann 1811, Anthony 1814. Hannah Grundy was the dau. of Samuel Grundy and Ann (Boden). hope that helps . Best Wishes Clive
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I have a Kerry family tree from Smalley, not the Charles one, if anyone wants a copy send me your email and I'll send it
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Hello, Anyone willing to share the Kerry of smalley information is greatly appreciated. Thanks so much Clive for the information. My family will be excited to find out that there is more family out there. Thank you so much
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I am researching the kerry line.
Please could I see your item on the Kerry`s of Smalley,
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My connection is through Thomas Rogers (1721 and Mary Kerry and their son Samuel (1760) who was my 3x gt grandfather.
Regards Sylvia
Hi Sylvia
Do you know who Mary Kerry' or Thomas Rogers' parents were by any chance
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Hi Dunstonhall,
I have John Rogers (1689-1729) and Elizabeth Roberts as parents for Thomas, which reminded me i didn`t have a marriage for this couple, just found it in Philimores,
St Alkmunds Derby
19 Aug 1719 John Rogers & Elizabeth Roberts, both of Horsley
And for Mary Kerry i have Thomas Kerry (1698-1773) and Elizabeth Golling (1690-1772)
Hope that helps a little
Sylvia
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I am researching the kerry line.
Please could I see your item on the Kerry`s of Smalley,
If you look on the first page of this thread you will see a link to it.
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Hi,
I am a relative of the Kerry's from Smalley. I believe the origin of your family legend regarding the "officer from Wales" to be factual.
My research into the Kerry family has lead me to who I believe is the first Kerry in Smalley - a Thomas Kerry (born in 1580). Thomas was married to an Emma Willimott (born in 1585). It appears that Thomas originates from..........Wales!!!!
Thomas's son John (born in 1612) married a Jane Old (born in 1611).
I hope this helps!!
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I have come across a mini tree compiled by the Rev Charles Kerry c1833, which contains some of my Kerry family from Smalley Derbyshire, at the top of this tree it says,
There is a tradition in the family that the first of the Kerrys of Smalley was an "Officer from Wales"
Would anyone have any idea what this refers to please?
I have seen the Smalley site.
Sylvia
For all of those interested in the Kerry family of Smalley and who may have come across the notes referring to Thomas Kerry 1580-1655 as 'Officer of Wales'. This refers to the fact that he was the High Sherrif of Montgomeryshire in Wales in 1618 at the age of 38 hope this helps.
regards all
Tony Kerry (a direct descendant)
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Thank you Tony, i wasn`t sure that the "Officer from Wales" refered to Thomas Kerry born 1580, even though it is just above his name on Charles Kerry`s pedigree.
I also found a marriage in Smalley for him to Emma Wilmott on Phillimores.
Thomas Kerrye, of Smalley Mylne, p. Morley, & Emma Willimot, of Woodhouse .. 17 Apr 1610
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Regarding the Rev Kerrys ref to "The first Kerry being an officer from Wales" i too wondered about the Thomas Kerry high sherif of Montgomeryshire however i have traced the line and it stays in shropshire well into the 1720's by which time the Kerrys where well established in Smalley/West Hallam etc.
I belive it refers to Thomas Kerry Clark to the Privy seal to Queen Elizabeth & James 1. He was from the Binweston lines that takes on the Royal tribes of Wales
http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I147448&tree=Welsh
How did he get to smalley? well using the continuation of names..Thomas & John and Thomas Clark to the Privy seal had dealings with Sacheverell Lord Shrewsbury and bought land of him in order for the Lord to pay debts.It doesnt say where this land was but as the Sacheverell were a norman family from Morley/Smalley...
And the Binweston Thomas Kerry line just disappers from the Shropshire Family Records so they must have moved as no death records existed. Still working on a firm connection but will post when i do confirm.
Martin Kerry Nottm
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My connection is through Thomas Rogers (1721 and Mary Kerry and their son Samuel (1760) who was my 3x gt grandfather.
Regards Sylvia
Hello Sylvia, I know it is many years since you posted this. Just in case you're still checking this site, I am also a 3X great granddaughter of Samuel and Mary (Pickering) Rodgers. I would love to compare notes...
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This is so exciting to find. Just discovered the Kerry’s as part of my family tree. The furthest I can go back is Thomas Kerry (the sheriff). I’d read somewhere else that they’re thought to be descended from Elystan Glodrydd of the welsh royal tribe. Is that correct? Any other interesting info about the Kerry’s?
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I have been researching my Rogers/Rodgers ancestors in Horsley and Smalley for decades. My 5x great-grandfather was Samuel Rogers (1760-1842), son of Thomas and Mary Kerry Rogers. He was a whitesmith and Smalley parish clerk from 1800 until his death in 1842. His grandson Samuel, a coal miner from Hasland, emigrated to northeastern Pennsylvania with his family in 1862. I have been to Smalley many times to visit Rogers relatives. I would be interested in connecting with anyone connected to the Rogers/Rodgers family of Smalley.
Thank you.