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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: wrjones on Saturday 26 January 08 20:37 GMT (UK)
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I am currently researching a Hannah Craven Baptised in Tarporley Cheshire in 1820.In 1836 she is married to a Thomas Price at Ellesmere Shropshire,and in the 1851 Census her Birthplace is given as Chester Cheshire,but in all the other Census years through to 1901,she gives her Birthplace as Wrexham.Why would someone born in Tarporley,her Parents are given in the Tarporley Parish Registers,as living in Willington at the time of her Baptism,give her Birthplace as Wrexham?
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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William, there could be a very simple reason e.g. she was born in Wrexham, but her parents moved to Willlington and she was therefore baptised at Tarporley. Sometimes the mother went home to her mother to have her baby. Does her grandmother originate from Wrexham? The other possibility is that the Wrexham Registration district is not actually that far from Tarporley (as the crow flies) this might offer a clue.
Regards
Kath
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Thanks Kath,and its an interesting theory.Hannah's Parents are given in the Tarporley Parish Registers as Joseph and Elizabeth Craven.With the Baptisms of other children born to the couple,I found them in the 1851 Census living at Utkinton Cheshire-HO107/2170/68/14 ,Joseph given as born in Utkinton in c 1800,and Elizabeth given as born in Oscroft Cheshire,again in c 1800.There is a possible Marriage in March 1820 of a Joseph Craven and an Elizabeth Johnson at Chester St Oswald's.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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William, this is interesting, (if I have the correct Church), why would someone who was born in Oscroft walk or ride through Chester (and the many churches in the city) to St.Oswalds at Mollington to be married? It could be one of the many family history mysteries.
I am sure that I have read somewhere that Cheshire and Flintshire (part of) were once one registration district. If this is the case I wonder is this why she seemed to think she was born in Wrexham? I am sure one of the more experienced Rootschatters can answer this query on the registration district, a post would probably give the correct answer.
Regards
Kathb
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Thanks Kath,and I have to say that I have checked the Baptism for Hannah and other siblings,at the Chester Record Office last Thursday.One thing is for sure there are no earlier Baptisms for any children of the couple,Hannah being Baptised on the 6th of August 1820,and given the ages of Joseph and Elizabeth in the 1851 Census,this would more likely to be the case.
As far as the Marriage is concerned,I am being perhaps entirely speculative,for the Marriage in March 1820 at St Oswald's is taken from a submitted entry on the IGI.Whilst there are two possible Baptisms for an Elizabeth Johnson in the Tarvin Parish around 1800,it does seem a mystery as to why she would marry at St Oswald's which is about seven miles away.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Hello William
Would it be any help knowing that on Bertram Merril marriage index, the Joseph Craven m to Elizabeth Johnson 20/3/1820 St. Oswald, was a mason?
Kind regards
Su
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Many thanks Su,and yes Joseph was given as a Mason in the Tarporley Parish Registers on the occasion of Hannah's Baptism.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Re: Hannah Craven-Tarporley 1820.
Joseph Craven married to Elizabeth Johnson are my 3 x great Grandparents. Their son Joseph Craven was my 2 x Great grandfather and I have Hannah as an elder sister. I have 11 children for them at the moment.
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Jackie Buckley
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Thanks Jackie,and a very warm welcome to Rootschat.We have of course been in touch by PM since you posted this!
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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I might be a little late in joining in with the conversation about Hannah Craven (parents Joseph and Elizabeth) but Hannah is the sister of my 3 x great Grandmother. My 3 times great grandmother was a Jane Craven who married a John Hodgkinson in Tarporley in 1845. I havent done much research on the Craven's till today and Hannah was one Craven I had trouble finding a marriage for but after doing a search found your messages on here with details of her marriage.
Would love to hear from anyone related
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First of all let me wish you a very warm welcome to Rootschat.You will see from reading the thread that Jackie Buckley is also descended from Joseph and Elizabeth Craven.However she hasn't been on the Site since 2008.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Hannah Craven (born 1820) is in my family tree. She was married to Thomas Hitchen on 9 Dec 1850 at St. Boniface Parish Church, Bunbury. In the 1861 Census they were living at Eaton, Tarporley.
Regards,
Edgar Gregory
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Was your Hannah Craven the daughter of Joseph and Elizabeth Craven Edgar?
regards
William Russell Jones.
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Yes, she was the eldest daughter of Joseph & Elizabeth Craven. Joseph was a Stonemason.
In the 1841 Census Hannah was a servant at the farm of Henry Johnson at Utkinton.
Here are the details from her marriage entry in the Bunbury Registers:
9 Dec 1850 (By Banns):
Thomas Hitchen (his X), of full age, Widower, Labourer, Alpraham (Father: John Hitchen, deceased, Labourer) & Hannah Craven, of full age, Spinster, Eaton, Tarporley (Father: Joseph Craven Stonemason).
Witnesses: Joseph Hitchen (his X), Mary Hitchen (her X), William Spencer.
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Thanks Edgar,so she could not have been the one who married Thomas Price.
Regards
William Russell Jones
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I wonder if there is an ANN or ANNE Craven amongst their children. If so I would very much appreciatte knowing of her, even if she was a cousin of those children any info would be helpful.
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Joseph & Elizabeth Craven had 11 children, but none of them were named Ann(e). What other information do you have about your Ann Craven?
Regards,
Edgar
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Hi Edgar,
I'm looking for info on Ann Craven.
I have this much...
Ann Craven born [presumably] 1822 0r 1823 at Eaton Tarporley Cheshire UK
She was christened 10 Dec. 1823 at St.John Baptist Church Chester.
Her mother was Catherine Craven [again presumably a resident of Eaton Tarporley]
Catherine was given to be a spinster at the christening.
No father was identified.
Any help is appreciated
Thanks
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Hi Again Edgar,
I forgot to say I was maybe looking to find Catherine Craven amongst the 11 children you refered to in your posting ??
Thanks Again
Rodc
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There are Cravens in my Auntie's line from Quarry Bank/ Utkinton / Tarporley area. Joseph and Sarah and their daughter Annie who married James Phillip Williams of Ridley in 1899 at Bunbury. They had a daughter called Lillian. I think Joseph may have been decended from Samuel and Alice.
They are a bit distant from my line so I haven't done much research on them. But thought I'd mention it just in case. :D