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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: John Richter on Thursday 24 January 08 19:56 GMT (UK)
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I have a particularly elusive ancestor who ,despite me paying researchers, refuses to be found. Has anyone got any suggestions or are any of you researching the same lines ?
The ancestor is Maggie Mclean ... she was born in the 1860's but her marriage entry & subsequent census entries do not tally with a specific date. (two census entries give her birthplace as "Scotland" and one as "Invernshire" {sic} ).
Her parents were John Mclean (carrier of goods) and the mother Catherine Mclean m/s McDonald.
These are the marriage entry details -
29th November 1887
127 Plantation Street , Govan
William Murray (Police Constable-bachelor) and Maggie Mclean (Domestic Servant - Spinster)
Minister William Fraser of Argyll Free Church. Marriage took place at the brides address. Also Maggie "made her mark" rather than sign her name.
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Hello,
Lets try to get some more interest in this one :O) If you say born in the '60's lets go back at least 10 years - so possibly 50's. What census records do you have? the 1891 and 1901? What family is she with on the dates you have? Do you have her death entry - where did she die?
Have you tried the IGI - www.familysearch.org
1855 to 1875 brings up the following names to a couple with your name - no Maggie though. A mixture of submitted and extracted entries. (possible the Donald is an error on a submitters part). Regards, Steve
JANE MCLEAN
Birth: 08 OCT 1873 Cromdale And Inverallan And Advie, Inverness, Scotland
CATHERINE MCLEAN
Birth: 13 DEC 1871 Cromdale And Inverallan And Advie, Inverness, Scotland
CATHERINE MAC LEAN
Birth: 01 JUL 1860 Harris, Inverness, Scotland
FLORA MAC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Birth: 30 OCT 1859 Stenscholl, Kilmuir Parish, Inverness, Scotland
DONALD MC LEAN
Birth: 10 NOV 1857 Harris, Inverness, Scotland
DONALD MAC LEAN
Birth: 10 SEP 1857 Harris, Inverness, Scotland
MARY MAC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Birth: 08 OCT 1856 Stenscholl, Kilmuir Parish, Inverness, Scotland
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Hi ! I found her in the 1891 & 1901 Census in England. She married in 1887 and moved to England then (her husband, although a Scot, was a Policeman in Liverpool).
There are a couple of possibilities in the 1881 Census (Scotland) but none that leap out at me.
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Just had a report back from a researcher in Scotland. She has been through all the birth records for the 1860's in Scotland and found nothing. It looks like this is another brick wall.
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I could only find 1 marriage record with her parents names
1855 MCLEAN JOHN married MCDONALD CATHERINE at PAISLEY HIGH CHURCH /RENFREW
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Thank you...I will look into this further.
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Did Maggie have a sister called Agnes?
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I do not know anything about her family at all. She was working as a domestic servant in Govan when she married William - he was orginally from Aberdeenshire but had moved to Liverpool as a Police Constable. Nobody in the family knows anything about her....someone thought she was "a farmer's daughter from the Isle of Skye" but that does not tie in with the marriage entry.
Her and William named their children - William(after father ?) , Annie (paternal Grandmother) , Alexander (paternal grandfather), Catherine (maternal grandmother) and Margaret (mother)
I will see if I can get some more info on the marriage you mentioned above - thank you.
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Was Catherine still alive when Maggie got married?
There are a few death records for Catherine McLean. I checked 1 of them
Catherine McLEAN Pauper died 24 Nov 1884 64 yrs in Govan Poorhouse. Widow of
1st Finlay McDonald
2nd John McLean
Parents named as Norman Mc Donald and Annie McLean
Informant was Agnes Gilligan daughter
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The couple in the 1855 marriage appear too old to be Maggie's parents.
I cannot see any reference to Catherine McLean being deceased on Maggie's marriage entry. (attatched)
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The 1911 Census gives Margaret Mclean's birthplace as Portree and her birth year as circa 1865. I am probably going to pay a researcher again but if anyone has any info or tips they will be gratefully recieved.
(The researcher was unable to find her birth)
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Hi,
We should talk, my great-great grandmother was Agnes Gilligan, ms McDonald. She married my great-great grandfather Michael in 1872 and lived on Queens Street in Govan at the time. She had been married previously to a man named McCallium (?) and had a daughter named Annie. In 1881 Cenus she lived with Michael, Annie, Edward, John and her mother Catherine. Agnes' mother was Catherine and her father was Finlay McDonald. According to her marriage license her mother's maiden name was also McDonald but that her mother Catherine was deceased in 1872 when she married my gggrandfather. That can't be possilbe if Catherine was living with them in 1881. Really not sure what to make of it but she also had 2 daughters with Michael named Mary and Kate (Catherine?).
Anyway, let me know what other information you have and I'll forward anything that I have to you or if you need anything like address' from my information just let me know. By the way, Michael also died at Govan Poorhouse Merryflats in 1897 which appears to be the same place that Catherine died.
We could have found family if in deed Maggie and Agnes were sisters.
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Have you tried searching for the name Peggy?
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Interesting puzzle here :)
MW, have you managed to find Annie's birth entry? Not sure if you are aware but Ann/Agnes are interchangeable in Scotland.
I think this is Annie's birth entry:
AGNES MCCALLUM Birth: 17 AUG 1865 Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Parents:COLIN MCCALLUM and AGNES MCDONALD
And marriage:
AGNES MCDONALD and COLIN MCCALLUM
Marriage: 14 APR 1865 in Govan, Lanark
I am a bit confused regarding the ages of Catherine McDonald and her overall age to possibly be the mother of Maggie Mclean.
Sancti's find of the death cert from 1884 shows Catherine McDonald/McLean as aged 64 at death. However, in that 1881 census entry with a Catherine mother living with Agnes Gilligan, Catherine shows as 80 - was this an error on the transcript for the census?
Monica :)
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Monica,
Thank you so much for the information about Ann/Agnes. That is the birth certificate of our Ann and the marriage license of our Agnes McDonald. She remarried my gg grandfather in 1872. The age of Catherine seems to be a bit confusing. Catherine's death certificate states she was 64 when she died and the census shows that she was 80 in 1881 but on ScotlandsPeople when you first search and the page comes up, her age shows at 70 but I am wondering if her age was actually 60 at the time of the census which would actually put that about the right age. My Catherine in the 1881 census puts her birth place of Isle of Skye which is originally what made me look this up.
So according to that time schedule Catherine would have been born in 1820 which would have made her 25 when she had Agnes (my gggran) and 45 when she had Maggie. But if this Maggie is the daughter of my ggggran Catherine, she would have already been deceased when Maggie got married in 1887 and the marriage certificate does not state that she was deceased.
I would love to find out if Agnes and Maggie are sisters. It would be amazing to put this together.
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This mystery deepens....I guess its what makes genealogy so interesting. I will try to sit down this weekend with all my papers and see if I can tie anything in.