Claire, I have a Thomas Hartill as a godfather in 1887?
I'm very interested in your Mary Dudley. My GGGGrandfather was Benjamin Dudley and he married a Mary Johnson in 1810. Although they had several girls, who all seem to have been baptised in Bilston, none of them were called Mary but if he'd been married before (it doesn't say in the parish record) and already had a Mary, that would make sense. Do you know anything more about her?
Hi Roy and Trees,Thanks Dudley. I knew about FREEBMD but not FREEREG. Just done a search for my great great grandfather Abraham Harris but no result found. Can only assume it's one that hasn't yet been transcribed. Had already planned to visit Stafford Records Office to search for his d.o.b. but may use Wolverhampton archives instead, if as you say, they hold St Leonard's records as there is other research I need to do there.
what a good idea to add links to local resources here too.
Don't forget www.FREEREG.org already has a lot of transcriptions for Bilston (and also for Wolverhampton, St Peter's where many of the marriages took place).
Also the Wolverhampton Archives web site not only has older register transcriptions for Bilston, St Leonard's and W'ton, St Peters but also lists of the victims and the families receiving groceries (presumably because they were quarantined) during the 1832 Bilston Cholera epidemic.
A long shot!!!
Any Durkins?
Jackie.
Rode have you seen the 1891 census for Bilston? This is amazing if it turns out to be yoursHi Trees
RG12 2242 fo 62 p29
There are three households that could be interesting
Sch 124 8 Back 65 Bilston St 3rms
John Hnry HARRIS 39 Iron wks lab
Sarah wife 40
Annie 15 tin worker
Sarah 18
Priscilla 7
Fanny 4
In the same house but also having 3 rm sch 125
Thomas HUGHES 33 iron wrkr
Susanna wife 29
Annie 2
John 5mnth
Finally sch 127 10 Back 65 Bilston St
Mary J HUGHES 1821 France!
John HUGHES38 son Iron wkr
Mary HARRIS Gd Daur18 Tin wkr
Thomas Gd Son Born 1881
There are also 2 visitors
Now do any of these names ring bells Have we stumbled on both your Hughes and Thomas Harris were they cousins??
Trees
An afterthought. Thomas Hughes could be a brother of John Henry's wife Sarah.Rode have you seen the 1891 census for Bilston? This is amazing if it turns out to be yoursHi Trees
RG12 2242 fo 62 p29
There are three households that could be interesting
Sch 124 8 Back 65 Bilston St 3rms
John Hnry HARRIS 39 Iron wks lab
Sarah wife 40
Annie 15 tin worker
Sarah 18
Priscilla 7
Fanny 4
In the same house but also having 3 rm sch 125
Thomas HUGHES 33 iron wrkr
Susanna wife 29
Annie 2
John 5mnth
Finally sch 127 10 Back 65 Bilston St
Mary J HUGHES 1821 France!
John HUGHES38 son Iron wkr
Mary HARRIS Gd Daur18 Tin wkr
Thomas Gd Son Born 1881
There are also 2 visitors
Now do any of these names ring bells Have we stumbled on both your Hughes and Thomas Harris were they cousins??
Trees
Thanks very much for the info. Looks a good shot.
Firstly my grandfather was born at 2 Bilston Street, Millfields but can't find this Bilston Street on the A-Z, only Bilston Street names in other areas of Wolverhampton/Darlaston/Wednesfield. It most likely has been redeveloped but will be checking this out at Wolverhampton archives in due course. Although the John Henry above was living at number 65 in 1891 the family may well have moved between my grandfathers birth in 1880 and 1891.
Secondly, the age looks right for John Henry who was born in 1851. The one year difference could be accounted for by age rounding up at the time the census was taken.
Thirdly, my grandfather's birth certificate shows his father (John Henry) as Ironworker.
Fourthly, although my great great gradfather (Abraham) had a daughter called Mary she would have been aged 32 in 1891 so the Mary shown above can't be great grandfathers daughter.
Lastly, John Henry's wife was Sarah Hughes so could well have been related to the other Hughes shown.
A tenuous link is that of John Henry's daughters Sarah and Fanny. Great great granddad (Abraham) also had daughters in 1861 with the same names. There seems to be a history of naming Harris children after ancestors (three Abrahams in four generations). Very original the Harris clan.
On the question of census returns I haven't yet really been delving into this very much but will have to start very soon. Again, thanks very much for the information. Hope I can return the favour in due course.
Rgds
Roy
An afterthought. Thomas Hughes could be a brother of John Henry's wife Sarah.Rode have you seen the 1891 census for Bilston? This is amazing if it turns out to be yoursHi Trees
RG12 2242 fo 62 p29
There are three households that could be interesting
Sch 124 8 Back 65 Bilston St 3rms
John Hnry HARRIS 39 Iron wks lab
Sarah wife 40
Annie 15 tin worker
Sarah 18
Priscilla 7
Fanny 4
In the same house but also having 3 rm sch 125
Thomas HUGHES 33 iron wrkr
Susanna wife 29
Annie 2
John 5mnth
Finally sch 127 10 Back 65 Bilston St
Mary J HUGHES 1821 France!
John HUGHES38 son Iron wkr
Mary HARRIS Gd Daur18 Tin wkr
Thomas Gd Son Born 1881
There are also 2 visitors
Now do any of these names ring bells Have we stumbled on both your Hughes and Thomas Harris were they cousins??
Trees
Thanks very much for the info. Looks a good shot.
Firstly my grandfather was born at 2 Bilston Street, Millfields but can't find this Bilston Street on the A-Z, only Bilston Street names in other areas of Wolverhampton/Darlaston/Wednesfield. It most likely has been redeveloped but will be checking this out at Wolverhampton archives in due course. Although the John Henry above was living at number 65 in 1891 the family may well have moved between my grandfathers birth in 1880 and 1891.
Secondly, the age looks right for John Henry who was born in 1851. The one year difference could be accounted for by age rounding up at the time the census was taken.
Thirdly, my grandfather's birth certificate shows his father (John Henry) as Ironworker.
Fourthly, although my great great gradfather (Abraham) had a daughter called Mary she would have been aged 32 in 1891 so the Mary shown above can't be great grandfathers daughter.
Lastly, John Henry's wife was Sarah Hughes so could well have been related to the other Hughes shown.
A tenuous link is that of John Henry's daughters Sarah and Fanny. Great great granddad (Abraham) also had daughters in 1861 with the same names. There seems to be a history of naming Harris children after ancestors (three Abrahams in four generations). Very original the Harris clan.
On the question of census returns I haven't yet really been delving into this very much but will have to start very soon. Again, thanks very much for the information. Hope I can return the favour in due course.
Rgds
Roy
My BROADBENT lot were from Bilston, and before that, Brewood. My great- grandfather William married Elizabeth HUNT (from Balsall Heath) and my great-great grandfather, Thomas married Elizabeth BODDIS.
Hello Dartmoor
Re.Dunkin -Holy Trinity, could that possibly be Durkin?
Have now found a little more info re my Durkins, any chance
of baptisms for Mary Durkin 1881
Bridget ....... 1883
Parents James + Mary Durkin(neeDurkin)
(Re.Mary 1881 possible 2nd christiam Winifred)
Jackie.
RoDe you are a star ;D ;D ;D
Only reason it's taken me so long to respond is that I had a quick look and couldn't tear myself away.
Some of the info was on the old site but there is lots of new stuff with loads of detail. Found additional info on a number of rellies already.
I'm very familiar with the E & S but don't get it here in Yorkshire. My uncle used to work for them and I once had a tour of the place with a friend. Back in the old days when they still set type...
Another list of names ...
Mary Ann Chillington - 1867
John McNully/MCNulty/McNolty? - 1868m 1889
Eliza Joyce - 1868
William Jones - 1870
John O'Brien - 1870
Bridget Taylor - 1870
Benjamin Shale - 1871, 1888
John Clarke - 1872
Mary Clynes - 1874
Matthew Ward - 1876
Francis Scally - 1877
Jane Clynes - 1877
Joseph Wright - 1880, 1881
Frances Wright - 1880
John Farrell - 1881
Johanna/Jane? Jones - 1881
Joseph and Elizabeth Corkindale - 1883 (related to Williams family?)
John Kelly - 1887
Thomas Hartill - 1887
Maria Parmer - 1887
Remember:
that dates are when they became godparents
first names are translated from Latin in many cases
family names also seem to have very variable spelling in that register
There are still more names and the ones I've listed here are just godparents to my family. I also have records of baptisms of children of some of these people and some marriage details, so a lot more names too. So do get in touch if your family were in Bilston at around that time (any time 19th or early 20th Centuries)
Hiya Julie
Welcome to Rootschat!
The Bulls Head is number 29 Bilston Road Sedgley and its still there. Bilston Road is a very long street the Beacon Hotel is number 129 (home of Sarah Hughes Dark Ruby Mild - very yummy and you fall over quickly!) There is also the White Lion further down and also the White Horse. I think your husband is right and they weren't living at the pub at the time but there are new buildings on the other side of the road from the Bulls Head where number 14 might have been (I'm not sure of the numbering) so there may have been a pub there. I will keep my eyes open
It might be worth contacting Sedgley Local History Society to see if they can help http://www.sedgleylocalhistory.org.uk/na/News.html
And yes I do work in a pub but its in Wolverhampton but I live in Bilston (and have worked in pubs here too) ;)
Willow x
Just done a quick trawl through the first set of images I have from Holy Trinity register and found a few records wth names that have been mentioned here. If they belong to any of you then let me know and I can transcribe them properly.
December 1841, Daniel Caddick s/o John and Mary(Maria) Manney, godmother Ellen (Helena) Caddick
March 1843 John Nicholls (or could be Nicholds) godfather to David Barwick s/o Patrick and Margaret (Reigney)
Aug 1851, Denis Durkan witness to marrige of Ambrose Cummins and Mary Ann Regan
June 1839 John Durkan s/o Patrick & Bridget (McDonney)
Dec 1846, John Durkin godfather to Catherine McDonough d/o Richard & Bridget (Fagan)
Oct 1852, Patrick Durkin, godfather to Mary Fahi d/o John & Mary (or Maria) (Kelly)
The handwriting is not good and some of the pages badly faded so apologies in advance for inaccuracies.
Hi,
I am new to the message boards today ! And seeing as you have a brilliant Bilston thread already going, thought I would like to join in please !
I am trying to find out some information on an Alfred Edwards, who was a " licensed publican / victualler " and resided at 14, Bilston Street, Sedgley in 1901. He is on the 1901 census, married to a Isabella Edwards ( nee Cooper ) and they had 2 children, Isabella and Florrie at that time.
If anybody could tell me how to find out more information on the pub / pubs in the local area in 1901 and how I could maybe access publicans details, I would be most grateful. I don't know the area well but live In Tamworth so distance isn't a problem.
Many Thanks.
Julie
Sheila
[Addendum: I probably do know the pub - the Hand and Bottle transferred from an Obadiah Johnson to a Joseph Johnson the year that Obadiah senior died]
A long shot!!!
Any Durkins?
Jackie.
I have a question relating to the book. there is a picture in it of the old Holy Trinity School in the 1990s but a mention that it was already boarded up at the time of publication. Does it still exist? If not, does anyone know what happened to the named bricks? I must try to find a list of those whose contributions were honoured in this way asit looks like one in the picture was from my family.
Hi All
Through the 1911 census we have discovered that my wifes Great Granddad George Shelley was the publican of the White Lion Public House Temple Street Bilston could anyone provide me with any information on this Public House?
Regards Doug
Hi Tony55, noticed you have a Tranter of Birmingham in your tree. I was a Patternmaker there with a Malcome Tranter early 1950's.As far as i'm aware all my family were in the Brass industry around the Lodge Hill and Jewelery Quarter areas, mostly wire drawers and pen knibs and fancy goods, then from just before ww2 in the car industry at Longbridge .
Midlanders
Thanks DW, is this viewable online or will it have to wait until I make one of my rare visits back to the Black Country?
Any ideas how I could track down reports of William Wellings industrial accident and that of Joseph Bunce who died on 29th August 1891, although apparently the accident had happened a week or so previously? It's just conceivable that they were both mortally injured in the same "explosion". I've tried all the obvious on the internet.....but then Willow made that breakthrough where I had failed. Just goes to show that more than one working on something or taking a break and going back to a problem often results in a solution.
Thanks again.JJ