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Title: Does anyone know this address ??
Post by: Kevlar on Wednesday 23 January 08 10:28 GMT (UK)
Is it possible to work out an address in Llanelli, (or where it would be now) based on the census return for my gt gt grandfather James Roach?

The address seems to say Pitt Cottage but i cant find a road, So i think that it a house name?

I would love to  piece together his movements around the town

please help

thanks
kevin
Title: Re: Does anyone know this address ??
Post by: Tricia_2 on Monday 18 February 08 15:06 GMT (UK)
Try looking for the nearest actual road mentioned.
I did this with a difficult-to-find Welsh address.
Title: Re: Does anyone know this address ??
Post by: cardiff on Monday 25 February 08 19:32 GMT (UK)
The town will have been split up into church district what does it say top right hand side of census.
that will at least give you the area of the town.
Pit cottage would suggest it was next to a pit!
I had a ggg grandfather living pit houses which turned out to be net to the pit.(not in Llanelli)
Just a suggestion
cheers cardiff ;)
Title: Re: Does anyone know this address ??
Post by: welsh lady on Tuesday 26 February 08 18:35 GMT (UK)
Kevin ,the family living next door the Bevans are my friends family weve researched their line.Give me a week to get in touch with her and ill try to find out where exactly the houses were or still are,

Welsh Lady
Title: Re: Does anyone know this address ??
Post by: Stewart R on Tuesday 26 February 08 19:14 GMT (UK)
The Census heading looks like it says Llanelly not Llanelli. There is a Llanelly to the northeast in the Brecon Beacons near Abergavenny.

Have you found them in the 1881 Census? if not, I found a James Roach aged 45 and born in Ireland living in a workhouse in Bedwellty not so far away from the Llanelly area. This chap doesn't seem to have any family with him though.

regards

Stewart
Title: Re: Does anyone know this address ??
Post by: buckaroo on Monday 10 March 08 16:57 GMT (UK)
Hi Stewart,

I found a great grandfather living a 'C Pit Cottages', Llanelli.  This turned out to be cottages attached to the former St.David's Pit at Llangennech on the outskirts of Llanelli.  I can't tell from the census extract you've put up if it's the same in your case, but it looks likely.

Llanelli has also been spelt Llanelly at times, so don't let it cause too much confusion.  There is another Lanelli as correctly pointed out, but if you check what county this census entry is listed under it should help establish the correct Llanelly!

Can you (or anyone) give us some more info, I've not got access to the census at the moment.  I managed to find the location of St.Davids Pit after trawing over a few old maps, I'd be glad to share this with you if it the same place.

Regards,
Buckaroo
Title: Re: Does anyone know this address ??
Post by: Stewart R on Monday 10 March 08 18:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Buckaroo.

This particular thread was started by Kevin AKA "Carpetzombie" not myself, but I'm sure he'll pick up your message and find the info usefull.

Over to you Kevin :)

Regards

Stewart
Title: Re: Does anyone know this address ??
Post by: Kevlar on Wednesday 19 March 08 14:21 GMT (UK)
Thanks Stuart,
 This is Definatly the Llanelli(Y) that contains Llangennech.

I have been trying to find the location of Pitt Cottage with no success, It may have even been built over. I am hoping that by finding this it will lead me to a local church/chapel or municipal cemetery where i can locate a grave.

my gt gt grandfather was a labuorer in the colliery sp it could be St Davids Pitt.  There are a lot of minehouses still around that area so i could be in with a chance of finding the actual house. if you can help in any way please do or PM me.
thanks
kev

Title: Re: Does anyone know this address ??
Post by: Kevlar on Wednesday 19 March 08 14:22 GMT (UK)
Sorry, Thanks Buckaroo. ( I'm at it now )
Title: Re: Does anyone know this address ??
Post by: buckaroo on Wednesday 19 March 08 14:48 GMT (UK)
Kev,

Have you tried looking forward/back from your entry to see any prominently named houses or farms, and then locating the area from it?  I can't quite make out the name below your entry, 'Bryn_ _ _' something?  If you can make it out (or another) let me know. 

However, if you'd like to look at St.Davids Pit, go to old maps (http://www.old-maps.co.uk)
then put in the co-ordinates 253800, 201400, this should take you right there.  I don't believe there's much left to see there, I've driven past Bryn-bach farm and looked down the old tramway, but didn't have time for any more than that.

Regards,
Buckaroo
Title: Re: Does anyone know this address ??
Post by: jui on Thursday 17 July 08 22:14 BST (UK)
Have You , carpetzombie, found the family in 1881..?

James Roach.. head.. labourer.. born.. abt 1838.. lanelly.. carmarthenshire..
Ann       "         wife                      "               1844
james b  "        son                                       1875
john                  "                                           1870
margaret           dau                                       1868
mary                    "                                          1873
thomas                son                                     
william                    "                                        1878

all born in llanelly.. although previously on 1871 census.. it says james senior born in ireland..  i am totally convinced this is your family..

living dee pit.. lanelly..

rg11   piece 5371   folio 97  page 29
     
Title: Re: Does anyone know this address ??
Post by: Kevlar on Friday 18 July 08 09:21 BST (UK)
Yep, thats the family,

I have been trying to track down the location of the house at "dee pitt". Looks like they were the miners houses from the colliery at St davids, llangennech.

kev