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Can someone do some look-ups for me. I have a Lily Cheesman b1900 in Luton to, I believe, a James and Catherine. I would like to know more informatiom about James and Catherine. James came from Hawkhurst, Kent and was born c1858 and Catherine from Cirencester c1856 if I have my facts right from the 1901 census for Luton. Catherine's maiden name and James' parents names would be especially helpful. Anything else would be a bonus. Lily Cheesman married William Collins, also from Luton, and if you know the date of this marriage it would be a help.
Thanks.
Carol.
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1871 RG10/952/55/28.
edward cheesman age 46. b. hawkhurst. occ. agr.lab. head.(wid)
harriett age 19. b. ditto. occ. housekeeper. daughter.
james age 13. b. ditto. occ. agr.lab. son.
william age 11. b. ditto. son.
living at ockley lane,hawkhurst,kent.
reg.dist. cranbrook.
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1861 RG9/508/142/21.
edward cheesman age 36. b. hawkhurst. occ. agr.lab. head.
miriam age 30. b. ditto. wife.
elizabeth age 10. b. ditto. daughter.
harriet age 9. b. ditto. daughter.
edward age 5. b. ditto. son.
thomas age 3. b. ditto. son.
william age 1. b. ditto. son.
living at hawkhurst,kent
no james but a thomas of the same age could they be one and the same.
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marriage index
name. edward cheesman
y.o.r. 1850.
qtr. oct/nov/dec.
dist. cranbrook
county. kent,sussex.
vol. 5.
page. 158.
the only miriam on the same page. miriam huggins.
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1851 HO107/1619/372/31.
edward cheesman age 26. b. hawkhurst. occ. agr.lab. head.
miriam age 20. b. ditto. wife.
elizabeth age 5mnths. b. ditto. daughter.
living at high street,hawkhurst,kent.
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birth index
name. james cheesman.
y.o.r. 1857.
qtr. oct/nov/dec.
dist. cranbrook.
county. kent,sussex.
vol. 2a.
page. 474.
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i notice in the 1901 census his occ was a carpenter/joiner
was catherine his second wife
this is the 1881 census
1881 RG11/940/25/43.
james cheesman age 23. b. hawkhurst. occ. carpenter. head.
sarah.j. age 30. b. ditto. wife.
emma.j. age 1. b. ditto. daughter.
john newman age 22. b. bow,london. occ. coachsmith.lodger.
living at 1,winchester road,hawkhurst,kent.
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if the james cheesman in the 1881 census is the right one here is his first marriage.
name. james cheesman
y.o.r. 1878.
qtr. oct/nov/dec.
dist. cranbrook.
county. kent,sussex.
vol. 2a.
page. 1144.
on the same page. sarah jane sands.
if it is the right one there should be a death of sarah and subsequent marriage of james to catherine.
will see if i can find it.
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it appears that winnifred cheesman b. abt.1888 in monmouthshire daughter of james in the 1901 census in luton
was in fact the daughter of james and sarah cheesman.
1891. RG12/4369/21/35.
james cheesman age 33. b. hawkhurst. occ. joiner/c. head.
sarah.j. age 42. b. ditto. wife.
francis age 8. b. tunbridge,kent. son.
winnifred age 3. b. newport,monmouthshire. daughter.
living at 61,archibald street,christchurch,newport,monmouthshire.
sarah.j.cheesman probably died between 1891-1901
will look for her death in wales,newport.
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cannot track down sarahs death at this moment.
but now believe it was possibly between 1891-1893 don't know where
think this could be james's second marriage
name. james cheesman
y.o.r. 1894.
qtr. jan/feb/mar.
dist. luton.
county. bedfordshire,hertfordshire.
vol. 3b.
page. 665.
also on the same page. catherine gale.
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think this ties in with catherine cheesman in the 1901 luton census
here she is in 1891 before her marriage(catherine gale)
1891 RG12/817/90/24.
george garnett age 45. b. acton,cheshire. head.
mary.e. age 45. b. blackheath. wife.
mary age 17. b. london. daughter.
frances age 15. b. ditto. daughter.
catherine gale age 27. b. cirencester,gloucestershire. occ. cook.
annie getson age 19. b. lewes. occ. housemaid.
living at 76,tisbury road,hove,east sussex.
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with regard to sarah janes death
the only one i can find that in any way ties in. age and name are about right.
though the district does'nt tie in with any census info.
i suppose it is possible that they moved to hendon area after 1891 census
james could have then moved to luton after sarah died.
off course this is only guesswork
anyway here is the death index.
name. sarah jane cheesman.
y.o.r. 1893.
qtr. apr/may/jun.
dist. hendon.
county. middlesex.
vol. 3a.
page. 118.
est.birth year. 1850.
age at death. 43.
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will now follow catherine gale.
you have her in 1901 ,1891.
here is 1881
RG11/2554/98/6.
catherine gale age 17. b. cirencester. occ. domestic servant.
she is living in the household of henry-elizabeth matthews
address; 27,cecily hill,cirencester,gloucestershire.
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here she is in 1871 with her family.
1871 RG10/2646/147/17.
george gale age 37. b. chippingpard,wiltshire. occ. shoe maker. head.
ann gale age 36. b. kelmscott,oxon or devon. wife.
matilda gale age 8. b. cirencester. daughter.
catherine gale age 7. b. ditto. daughter.
clara gale age 4. b. ditto. daughter.
henry boulton age 13. b. culkerton,gloucestershire. occ. apprentice.
living at gloucester street,cirencester.
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birth index
name. catherine gale.
y.o.r. 1864.
qtr. jan/feb/mar.
dist. cirencester.
county. gloucestershire,wiltshire.
vol. 6a.
page. 357.
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Thanks very much. You have been busy. A lot of the information sounds as if it could be right except the 1861 census where there isnt a James. That is another family as I have already looked into that. I think James' father is Edward and there must be another family in the area. I think James had been married before but I didnt realise that he had moved to Wales. I wonder what happened to Emma b.1880c Francis b.1883c and Winnifred b.1888c as I know nothing about them and as Lily Cheesman's step family I should have done. You have been a great help and if you find anything else please let me know.
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Hi
There is an 18 year old Francis Cheesman born Tunbridge Wells, Kent and living in Luton in 1901 but he has acquired the middlename Lydia and is a female domestic servant - there is no sign of this Francis in 1891 either as Francis or Lydia. So was Francis erroneously recorded as son in 1891 or what ???
Jan ;)