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According to 1841 census My GG Grandparents Thomas and Agnes Williamson and her Parents were living next dorr to each other in Fawcett St. Hume, Manchester. In 1841 the houses have no numbers.
As both these families had reacently moved to the area from Dumfrieshire, Scotland. I am of the opinion that these dwellings could well have been Mill Owners houses, built by a particular Mill owner and made available to prospective employees for the purpose of migration.
I wish to determine who had this Street of houses built and or who owned them at this time. This would give me a lead as to where my ancestors were employed and by whom. The period that I am researching in respect of this matter is 1837 to 1841.
Any assistance would be most welcome.
Stuart
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Hi Stuart,
Brilliant site here! Just what you need.
http://www.spinningtheweb.org.uk/places/cottonopolis.php
If you go here and click on the Chorlton on Medlock link on the map, you will find a description of the local mills and mill owners names. Keep clicking the links, there's loads of stuff!
Fawcett St is near the border of Hulme/chorlton on Medlock. Nearest mill on the 1849 map were the Cambridge St mills. At a quick read I can't tell whether this was the one buildt for Birley or Mackintosh, but if your family were Scottish, the Mackintosh one might be the best bet, as word would have spread that there was work available here.
Can't be sure that the houses were built specifically for these employees though, as there was such massive expansion in this area at this time. Turnover of land, houses and human beings must have been huge.
If you want an extract of the map posting I can do that for you this evening
Good luck!
Barbara
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Further to that last one (I love Hulme! ;D can't keep away) Fawcett St is in the 1821-22 directory, the majority of the inhabitants were weavers, spinners, dyers etc. The houses were numbered, but the 1841 census doesn't record them.
There is an Ann Williamson, widow, at no 6 Back Fawcett St, might she be one of yours?
:) Barbara
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Hi,
Yes please I would like an extract of the map that you mention.
As regards Ann Williamson 6 Back Fawcett St, Is this from 1821-22 diectory or 11841 census.
1821 is I feel too early.
As my Thomas and wife Agnes appear to have moved from Dumfriesshire between 1836 to 1839. Deduced because following their marriage 1835 Lochmabbon, Dumfriesshire their first born a daughter (Nicholas) was born 1836 Dumfriesshire and the second a son (James)was born 2nd qu Manchester.
I have found them on 1841 census at Fawcett St, But also next door
on the same census are Agnes's parents and siblings, Namely Robert and Nicholas Jardine (nee Johnston)
As you state the house have no numbers.
For them to have migrated so far, it suggests that more than one section of the family moved together or in a very short space of time. This then poses the question of how many more of the family also made the move. Thomas the eldest of 10 ha d 6 brothers in all, all apprenticed to the father, a Joiner/Carpenter/Wheelwright. One migrated to Birmingham the another to Liverpool, the
youngest brother who was a scholar at the time of Thomas's migration remained in Closeburn, Dumfriesshire in the family home and workplace and continued the family business long after his fathers death. He eventually died still in the area.
To get back to my Thomas most of his sons were also joiners, I suspect having been apprenticed to him. I also suspect that he would on arrival in Manchester would have been employed for his joinery skills, rather than as just manpower, ie labourer.
Another point, Agnes's father was a Tailor in Dumfriesshire, but on the 1841 census in Fawcett St, he is a Sawyer. (a semi Skilled wood cutter)I also suspect that he was working with or at the same place as Thomas.
I am now asking myself, would a cotton mill owner have recriuted a joiner and Sawyer, or was there a Sawmill etc. in the area.
Your comments please.
Stuart
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Hi Stuart, I'll post the map asap but am having slight technical difficulties at the moment! (computers! >:( )
Meanwhile, I've had a look and there is a big complex of timber yards ( or maybe one big one) very nearby, so plenty of work for joiners and sawyers in the area. Its on the junction of Cambridge St/Higher Chatham St, I think that nowadays this is the Manchester Business School? Fawcett St was just to the north of that junction.
This is the area that Engels and other Victorians wrote about, describing the living conditions of the new industrial classes, so it is very well documented. The famous 'Little Ireland' area is to the north of Fawcett St, quarter of a mile away, if that. If your family were skilled workers and could afford two houses between them, it sound as if they were more comfortable than some in this area.
Map to follow!
:) Barbara
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Hello again Stuart, hope this picture works (I lost the camera's memory card inside the computer, how embarrassing is that? :-[)
Fawcett St is in the middle of the square bounded by Newcastle St, Wilmott St, Devonshire St and Clarendon St. At the lower edge of the map are the timber yards, at the top is part of the Cambridge Mill complex.
If I have read the sources right, the mill was built by Hugh Birley who was notorious as one of the leaders of the cavalry charge at the Peterloo massacre in 1819. Not sure if he still owned it in the 1840s when your family were in the area though.
Barbara
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Hello BarbarraH
I hope you don't mind but I can't read the map you provided. Could you look up Violet St for me. apparently my Peter Worrall was living there in 1841. I know that he was living in William St in 1843 which falls into the infamous 'Little Ireland' area and I suspect Violet St is not to far away. My Peter Worrall was also a Joiner/Carpenter.
I do have a readable map of the Hulme area but not sure for what years it is covering Also, the area around little Ireland falls off the page I can view as far as the start of Lower Chatham St. to the Junction of Devonshire St
Would I be pushing it if I asked if you could also look for Panoma Sq/place/st, Hulme. The map I have doesn't seem to cover it although it covers the area I suspect it should be (around the docks) I have connections there from 1873.
If you can just give me ideas of where these streets are (closest main roads/st)
Thanking you in advance
Marjie
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Hi Marjie
Pomona Square is on the section of map I posted, in the top left hand corner. Its near the junction of Chester St and Wilmott St, just by the wiggly black line running through the map, which is a boundary line. So its not a square, its a street, and its not near Pomona Dock as you might expect!
Violet St is further to the east of this section, left along Chester Street, near the junction with Welcomb St (gone now). I'll post another bit of map for you soon. Sorry the map was so small, but I found guidelines somewhere on rootschat about resizing images to under 500kb, so I've started doing that.
On a modern map you still have Chester St and Wilmott St to locate where Pomona Sq was. If you follow Chester St till you get to the Mancunian Way, Violet St was somewhere underneath the Mancunian Way!
:) Barbara
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Thank You Barbarah
Yes I have located Pomona St on your map. But on the map I have it doesn't exisit. I have a Marshland St that runs between Willmot St and Cambridge St and above that Hulme St.
It's made me really curious about the dates of my map as I know that my ancestors gave Pomona St as an address in 1873.
Also on the map I have Chester St ends at Leaf St (we used to walk there for swimming, from Holy Name School up by the dental hsp. My children's school hire a coach to travel half that distance-make em walk, I say) With Hunmanby and Humbersite Avenues directly behind Leaf St. Welcomb St is a continuation of Humbersite Ave over Claredon St. and becomes Dunham St once you cross over Stretford Rd.
I am guessing my map is from the early 1900's maybe just a little earlier.
http://www.scottlandcare.com/MemoriesofHulmeIntro1.html (http://www.scottlandcare.com/MemoriesofHulmeIntro1.html)
Its funny but all my family still live in Manchester (a few have even moved into those fancy 'appartments' in Hulme, ain't that ironic) Whenever I visit I have to drive around Hulme and under the Mancunian way to visit my son in Salford.
Once again Thank You
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I would guess your map on the website is 1950s or so . It has a lot of cinemas on it so from the 'golden age' of cinema?
I would start a new thread with a link to that site if I were you Marjie, lots of people try to place the Hulme streets that came down in the 60s and 70s. We were looking for Warwick St on the 'Old Manchester Maps' thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=214934.new;topicseen#new
earlier this week. Found it eventually, but there it is on your map.
And yes, what is the point of hiring a bus to the baths, than moaning that kids are unfit because they get driven everywhere?
Its like driving to the gym, then going on a treadmill. You could just go for a walk instead and save your money - or am I missing something?
:) Barbara
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Thank you for the details Barbarah and the link to the site. Your map on there as been really useful.
If you look under Humbersite Ave on my map you will see Welcome St, is this the same one? It could possibly have junctioned with Chester St.
Chances are the flats on Humbersite, Hunmanby and Rockdove (just after Leaf St), were in the process of being built. Funny I always thought that they were pre-war...they've got that style.
You wouldn't happen to know where Bell St, Chorlton on Medlock 1880's was?
Cheers!
Marjie
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Yes that is the same Welcomb St and it did go through to Chester St originally.
Found Bell St, its on the other side of Oxford Rd, but also flattened by the Mancunian Way. On this map extract look for the crossroads of York St and Sidney St (both still standing in part), its near there.
:) Barbara
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It has been great reading the"correspondence" on this thread. Having lived all my youth in Hulme (just off Bangor Street) until I got married to a Moss Side girl,(she will insist it's Whalley Range tho'). Married 50yrs. 8th. March!! 2008.
Just a couple of points, 1. Surely it is Humberstone Ave, phase one on Jackson Street flats and 2 Rockdove ave was built appreciably later, actually after the Cambridge Street flats (1952). Very interesting thread, great poverty and great people, love the place - always will!!
Bill
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Hello Bill
Maybe you can help me. Do you recall the Junction pub, which is still standing despite everything. Not far from the old BBC studio and Hippodrome. What I want to know is what street it was on before the 'distruction' of old Hulme...was it on or anywhere near Junction St? I was always useless at geography but I am guessing that it's entrance doors (there are two) were on Warde St, And part of it's frontage was on Dunham St.
The comment about your wife insisting Moss Side was Whalley Range made me laugh. I know lot's of people who do that.
Oh and thanks for clearing up Rockdove for me, it doesn't appear on the Scot Landcare Map
http://www.scottlandcare.com/Areaauthorraised.html
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Dear Biko,
trying to remember. The Junction pub (Hyde's Brewery I think!) was (is) triangular in plan and one side was in Warde Street, the apex was on Jackson Street and the other side was on (I believe) Preston Street. On the other side of Preston Street was the front "marquee" of the Hulme Hip. Down the side of the Hip was a street running from Preston Street in which was the "gods" entrance to the Hip and the Junction Cinema. The cinema eventually became the BBC Playhouse. This street may well have been Junction Street. Running basically parallel to Preston Street would have been Boston Street and the cinema would have been on that corner. I cannot confirm the name of the street running behind the pub and Warde Street. It may well have been the continuation of Junction Street? Nice to think back, all of sixty or more years! As I said before, great foks!!!
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But you forgot to mention the gents underground toilet in the middle of Preston street. I remember its brass hand rails very well................. it was near the pub in 1960.
Warde street was paved in smooth concrete , it was great for roller skating.
As for the Junction picture house, I remember seeing Judy Garland in the Wizard of Oz at that movie house.
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Dear Mike,
I remember the "conveniences" in Preston Street and visited the Junction Cinema many times in my long ago youth!..You will no doubt also recollect the Popular amd the Crescent which were also nearby. Anyway just keep on truckin'
Bill
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My old map dated 1894 does not show these toilets. Also something else crossed my mind.............. I cannot remember seeing ladies washrooms attached to these toilets. Did they have to use the local pubs?
I remember eating Arrowroot sticks and watching a 3D horror movie at the 'Pop'. Another time there was 'Snow White and the Seven dwarf's at the Crescent. The wicked queen in Snow White scared the 'bejeebers' out of me, more than the horror movie.
Cheers
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Yes that is the same Welcomb St and it did go through to Chester St originally.
Found Bell St, its on the other side of Oxford Rd, but also flattened by the Mancunian Way. On this map extract look for the crossroads of York St and Sidney St (both still standing in part), its near there.
:) Barbara
Sorry BarbaraH
I became so engrossed in the map I forgot to say thank you.
Yes I can see Bell St and also Cooke St where they lived at the time of another census.
Looking at the Map last week I was taken back to my childhood and remembered coming from town on a bus along Oxford Rd with my Nan and her saying as we reached Booth st that she grew up around there...I also found Cowcil st on your map where my Nan was born.
Until seeing your map, I had forgotten that memory.
BTW
I also located Violet St in the 1861 Enumerators description
Once again thank you
And thank you also Bill. The Junction pub is still standing as are the old BBC & Hip buildings. I only knew the area after the first clearence but they serve as landmarks and a comfort in an area that as once again changed beyond recognition.
If anyone eles as any more old maps of Hulme, Chorlton upon Medlock, All Saints, Greenheys areas, keep them coming. They really do help with research.
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hi bill i also grew up in moss side and to save embarresment i would often say it was whalley range lol. ;
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My street in Moss Side was Stockton street. a place with large homes but not quite as large as Whalley Range homes.
In my time, Moss Side was an impressive place compared to my old haunts in Hulme. But I can say I am proud to be able to say I was brought up in both areas. (we lived in lodgings). In a period of ten years we lived in eight homes. My family did many a 'Moon light flit'
I have lots of wonderful memories of places , friends and the people in general.
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Hi, Hopefully someone may be able to help me.
I am trying to track down any details whatsoever about my great-grandparents John & Sarah Skerratt who I believe were innkeepers in Fawcett Street Hulme. He died in 1881, but in the 1881 census his wife Sarah is still listed at that address with her father-in-law Joseph Skerratt (79), my grandfather William (5) and a 15yr old servant Margaret Chapman from Sildon, Durham.
Any info, name of the inn, maps, pictures very much welcomed
Thanks
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I can tell you that Fawcett street was flattened during the 2nd world war. I lived a couple of streets to the west of your street in Daniel street. I have saved you two map sections dated 1844 and 1894. They do not show any Inns or Public Houses in Fawcett street these maps.
Contact me at (*) use @ for the at in my e-mail address.
Regards
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Hi smo,
The 1879 Manchester Directory has John Skerratt, beer retailer, at 13 and 15 Clarendon St, Hulme. Clarendon St was a bigger street right next to Fawcett St, it will be on the same map.
I think a 'beer retailer' was more like an off-licence than an inn, but maybe someone else knows the precise distinction?
:) Barbara
Welcome to rootschat!! :D
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I tend to think that a "beer retailer" would be an ordinary pub or "beerhouse". They would sell, beer, porter and port wine, but no spirits! If you think about it "port and lemon(ade)" would be available in a beerhouse and may well have been the reason for it's invention!!!
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Hello Biko
I just found this website and article about Pomona Square Manchester via a search in Google. I see you mention Peter Worrall and Theresa Hurst. I am also related to these people.
Regards
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There was a public house on the north corner of Clarendon Street and Lower Chatham street. In 1894. Also one on the north corner of Clarendon and Welcomb streets
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Hi all
Just researching family history, GF and GGF families all seem to have lived in the Chorlton-On-Medlock / Hulme area. One address I have is 1 Devonshire Street, which looking at old and current maps of the time looks like it is right underneath the Mancunian Way. The family then seemed to have moved to Chapman Street, I can't find any mention of this anywhere, has anyone any ideas? I remember my late Great Aunt (1899 - 1999) talking about going to school in Webster Street, guess this would be 1905 - 1913; she would have lived in Chatman Street. Tracing back to her father (1861 - 1940), the family lived at that time in Billington Street - anyone any idea where that was?
Has anyone investigated the local church records (are there any left standing that area??) - if so, have they been centralised at a central Manchester or other remaining local church?
Hope someone can help
SimonM
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Welcome to rootschat Simon :D :D
Chapman St was near the old streets of Warwick Street and Preston St. It was near one of the old theatres, the Grand Junction and Floral Hall, later Hulme Hippodrome. John Nash Crescent looks like the nearest to Chapman St on a modern map
http://www.rootschat.com/links/04lt/ for aa article about the Hulme Hippodrome, contains a link to a google map, this will show you roughly where Chapman St was.
Billington St was between Cambridge St and Lower Chatham St which are still on the map, though Billington St itself has gone. You are spot on about Devonshire St!
:) Barbara
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I lived in Devonshire street during the war years. Number one would be at the top end by Oxford road and across from All Saints church (Grovenor Square)
Chapman street existed in this time period. Upper Jackson street ran from the west into it.
Webster street and the school were in the south tip of Hulme on the west side of Greenheys. Webster street ran south into Warwick street. Warwick street was one street parallel and to the south of Chapman street.
Billington street was north a short distance from Devonshire street on the east side of Lower Cambridge street.
Regards
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Thanks to Barbara and Mke for the reply.
Given this new information, will be visiting the area later this week with old and new maps and try to plot out where everything was!
Simon
Wirral, UK
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Simon,
I think unfortunately your trip will be a wasted journey. From what I saw the streets also were changed in their positions. Nothing looks the same anymore in Hulme or Chorlton on Medlock. You best bet is just to look for them on the old maps. The places I listed were all there in the late 1950's. I wnt to Cavendish school on Devonshire street, it was just after four houses from Oxford road and on the same side. The church had been bombed during the war.
I walked from Devonshire street past Chapman street to get to the movies. There were two picture houses. The Popular and the Crescent.
Regards
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Hi
The info on this thread is great. My Gr, Gr Grandfather Henry Bowman was living at 13 Fawcett St in 1851 with wife Elizabeth and 7 children. He was a Mechanic/ Machine Maker/ Turner and was born in Carlisle circa 1810. His wife was born in Manchester at about 1810. In 1841 the family was at 17 Galloway St. Is this on the map?
It seems to have been an area for craftsmen.
All the best
Jeannie
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Galloway street was just a couple of streets north of Fawcett street. My grandmother lived two streets to the west of Fawcett street during the war. This was Daniel street.
Contact me at (*) change AT for @ in my address.
I have a map of the area dated 1894 showing both of your streets.
Sad to say both of these streets were flattened during the war.
Kind regards
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada ex Manchester England
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Hi Mike
Thanks for the info. Half of my forebears were in Hulme, Castlefield and around the Cathedral. The other half were Ardwick, Gorton and Openshaw. I really ought to buy myself a map. Have you any tips on what is available and where from?
Jeannie
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There is an 1857 map of Manchester and Salford at www.artus-familyhistory.com/source/Early%20Maps.html Click on the Early Maps link.
Good luck!
Eric
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Alan Godfrey do brilliant maps for about £3 each - www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk
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Thanks Alpine and Orinoco and Mike
The 1857 is very good and I've had a browse through alan godfrey too.
It's made me realise how good Manchester Corporation/Council have been at demolishing all of my ancestors homes!
The Corporation/Council has had two goes at Hulme. The first was probably the biggest social housing disaster ever (have you seen the web site www.exhulme.co.uk). I believe these concrete monstrosities have now been demolished too. I'm not sure what has replaced them.
In West Gorton, the Shawcross, Rathbone, later Sullivans (and me for my first 2 years) lived next to the fantastic Belle Vue pleasure park and zoo on what was known as the 'prison grounds'. It sounds awful but in fact they were lovely late Victorian redbrick terraces built on the grounds of the old BelleVue prison which had been demolished 50 years before when Strangeways was built. The houses were compulsorily purchased for a pittance in the early 1980s. Having lain derelict for years, it's now a motorway and car auction site!
Glad I got that off my chest. Hope you don't mind.
Jeannie
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Hi I have relatives that had according to 1911 census were "beerhouse keepers" for a brewery at 62 Wilmott st Hulme. They lived on Devonshire Street as per marriage certificate.
Joseph and Elizabeth Robinson. They were my ggrandparents.
I cannot find anything about what the pub was or where on Wilmott St it was.
can anyone point me in the right direction please
thanks
Karen
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Hi Karen
Joseph is in the 1911 Street directory for Manchester (on the Historical Directories site ). After the entry for 62 Wilmott St it says 'here is Bloom St', so I guess the beerhouse was on the corner of Wilmott and Bloom St.
He is listed as a 'beer retailer, so it sounds more like an off-licence type of place rather than a pub. It might not have had a name other than Robinson's beerhouse.
Hope that helps
:) Barbara
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thanks Barbara
On my grans marriage certificate in 1928 Joseph's occupation was a licensed victualler still at Wilmott st and apparently another relative was born there in 1929/30. Unfortunately there is nobody to ask now to verify anything.
In 1906 when my gran was born they lived at 26 Devonshire st, that was a few roads along wasn't it? He was a tripe dresser then and had been since at least 1883 when he married his first wife. Bit of a swap of occupations! know which I would prefer
Karen
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Hi
All I was also Born in Hulme Freeman Street in 1940 I can't locate on any maps due to all
the wholesale demolition,has anyone any ideas where it is ( or was ) it would be great if I could
get hold of a copy of a old map.
Just thought of something else it was near a pub "The Robin Hood "
Keep up the good work ,I enjoy reading your memories about my Hulme
Regards Doug Davies
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Hi Doug, welcome to Rootschat :D :D
Freeman St ran parallel to Booth St - I can see it on an old map but I have software problem at the moment and cannot upload it for you.
Never mind - go to this site
http://www.artus-familyhistory.com/source/Early%20Maps.html/source/Early%20Maps.html
select 'Manchester and Salford Various' then 1935. Hulme/Chorlton on Medlock is on section 3B. Scroll around and you will find Freeman St (locate the University and move left from there)
Sorry I can't upload it here, but Im sure you'll enjoy wandering round this brilliant site
:) Barbara
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I followed this thread with great interest, my mother worked at the junction pub
in the 1930s, and I went to the pop or the crescent every saturday morning
I don't remember any underground toilets on preston street but remember
the underground toilets on clopton street.
mitmoor
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Hi,
:)
I would recommend this book for some good background information and photographs of the area:-
Looking Back at Hulme.Moss Side.Chorlton on Medlock & Ardwick
Chris Makepeace
ISBN 0946361 34 7
published by Willow Publishing
Luzzu
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hi, doug i noticed you were born at 40 freeman st hulme in the 1940s.i had family that lived at 24 freeman st.my grandmother was living ther in 1948.i dont suppose you knew her?
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Hello, I've been reading these notes with interest. Looking for any information on my 2x great grandparents, Samuel Skaife Grange and Jane Skaife Grange. Their address on one of the censuses was Warde St and he was listed as an innkeeper in the 1861 census, licensed victualler on the 1871 and retired publican on the next. So it was interesting to read about the Grand Junction and wonder if that was the pub he owned or managed.
If anyone has any information on them, I would really appreciate it. I'm from the US so not very familiar with UK sites and info. Thank you very much.
Elaine
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Welcome to rootschat Iowagirl! :D :D
Have a look on the Historical Directories website:
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/
Its well worth reading the 'how to use' pages for hints on searching, if you haven't used the site before.
I can see a Samuel S.Grange in the 1879 Manchester directory, he was indeed at the Grand Junction. Hopefully he will show up in some other years as well.
Good luck!
:) Barbara
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THANK YOU BARBARA! I so appreciate the help. Keep these tidbits coming -lol!!
Elaine
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Hi Barbara, when I got to the site you recommended, I realized I had been there before, but didn't read the directions because I know I'm smarter than that -lol! So now that I have a hint from you, I will take the time to learn how to navigate.
Elaine
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This was the big hotel at the intersection of six streets, it was on the corner of Preston street, Jackson street and Warde street. One of the intersecting streets was named Junction street. It was a Flat Iron shaped building and was around in the 1950's.
Near to the Hotel in Preston street (a cobble stone busy main road) was a large underground public toilets.
Warde street was different to other surrounding streets it was not made of cobble stones, it was a concrete surface. Great for using roller skates.
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Hi, is this pub still there and is there a site that would have the history on it?
One of the censuses showed my family living at 141 Warde St, would that be close to the pub, do you think?
My thought was that maybe they lived above the pub. They always seemed to have several people living with them who were barmaids and inn managers and they were listed as sisters and sisters in law.
Elaine
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I just found the info Barbara directed me to at historical directories.com, and it said the Grand Junction Hotel was at 2 Preston St and 141 Warde St, Hulme.
So I'm assuming my family did live above or behind this hotel.
Elaine
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The hotel was 'V' shaped. The point faced Jackson street to the east. The north side of the building was on Warde street which I bet was 141 Warde street and had its living quarters in the back section of the building.
The south section was on Preston street which I think was the main entrance to the pub. This was the beginning of Preston street.
Warde street began east of the pub by several streets. Number one started at Renshaw street in Chorlton on Medlock.
You could say this was a very busy intersection. Just down Preston street about one block was the Hulme Hippodrome for 'live' theatre. To the south from Jackson street about one block was two movie houses, The 'Pop' and the Crescent. At the south end of the Hulme Hippodrome was the Junction picture house. Buses flowed down Jackson street from the centre of Manchester (Picadilly) and to the city centre along Preston street which was a one way street. Preston street and Jackson streets were full of small size shops and more pubs. Preston street fed most of the traffic from the next suburb Moss Side towards the Manchester centre.
The corner of Jackson street and Stretford road had a large Woolworths store.
All these streets and main roads were finished in cobblestones and gas lit during the early 1950's.
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Thank you. I feel like I've found a couple more pieces of the puzzle!
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Hi, just wanted to confirm whether the Grand Junction is still there. I guess I "assumed" that was the case, but thought I should ask people that will know the answer.
Thanks.
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Hi Iowagirl yes the juction pub is still there, well it was twelve months ago when I passed, if it is still in business I don't know.
mitmoor
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Thanks, I'm glad to learn that. I welcome all hints, suggestions and observations!!
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one side of the junction pub was on warde st we lived on warde st until 1963 my dad and gran drank in the junction it was right across the raod
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Hi, do you have any pics by any chance? I wonder if anyone has the history of it? As far as I know my gggrandfather, Samuel Skaife Grange, and wife, Jane Skaife Grange, and his son, Edwin Grange, and Edwin's brother in law, Joseph Skaife, oh and I forgot Jane's sister Mary Skaife and her husband, Charles Mager, ran it or were involved in some way from 1861 census thru 1911 census. Edwin died a few years later so don't know who had it then and I guess I don't know how to find that out.
Thanks for the info. I would love to come over and see some of the places my ancestors were!