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George Pierpoint was born in Sandbach, Cheshire in 1834. He married Harriett Lewis in 1854. I believe he sailed to Australia from Greenock in 1865 with his family. I have been unable to find out any further details (using free online resources) except that in the Queensland BMD I have found reference to sons Joseph, Louis and John born to the couple in 1870/75.
Does anyone have any knowledge of his descendants or could anyone suggest any resources which might help me trace the family and their descendants?
No-one in the UK has any knowledge of the family.
Please help.
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on rereading your post- you may have this information- I had assumed that you didn't because you say no one in England knows..etc
I am thinking now that you mean that no English relatives (present day) know what happened to him in Australia -sorry :-[ :-[
Hello- can't help with Queensland side but here are his English born children which I assume you haven't got (I hope)
(writing not too clear- written and transcribed as Pierpont)
1861 RG9; Piece: 2613; Folio: 139; Page: 18
Hassell Green Fields Betchton Cheshire
George Pierpont 27 yrs salt boiler b Betchton
Harriett 30 yrs b Elton
Samuel 2 yrs b Betchton
James/Jonas son 8 months b Betchton
James nephew 11 yrs salt boiler's assistant b Sandbach
best wishes
heywood
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Thanks for the info. - I hadn't managed to find George in the 1861 census (I only found him in 1841 and 1851) so the names of the children are useful. I'll look again now that I have the address. Samuel died in Queensland (he is listed in the Queensland BMD).
Again many thanks.
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Hi
Here are some PIERPOINT's in the 1903 Australian Electoral Roll at Stanthorpe, Queensland - Possibly your George and Harriett amongst them
Australian Electoral Rolls 1903
PIERPOINT Elizabeth Granite Street, Stanthorpe. Domestic Duties
PIERPOINT Emily John Street, Stanthorpe. Housekeeper
PIERPOINT Emma Maryland Street, Stanthorpe Domestic Duties
PIERPOINT George Funkers Street Stanthorpe Labourer
PIERPOINT Harriett Funkers Street, Stanthorpe Domestic duties
PIERPOINT Harry Johnson Street, Stanthorpe Labourer
PIERPOINT James Granite Street Stanthorpe Blacksmith
PIERPOINT John Thomas Funkers Street, Stanthorpe Blacksmith
PIERPOINT Mary Henriette Funkers Street, Stanthorpe Domestic Duties.
PIERPOINT Samuel Marylands Street, Stanthorpe. Blacksmith
The Australian Electoral Rolls 1901-1936 [not all years] are on the Ancestry.com website - subscription
I gather you have searched all the births, deaths and marriages on the online Qld indexes?
Cheers
Cando
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A few PIERPOINT items on
http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Search/BasicSearch.aspx
Search using PIERPOINT
Cheers
cando
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There seem to be maybe more records on the Qld BDMs relating to the family.
Births to George and Harriet seem to include a daughter
Pierpoint Joseph George Harriet Louis 16 mar 1870 1870/001262
Pierpoint Harriet George Harriet Lewis 01 Nov 1872 1873/003187
Pierpoint Louis George George Harriet Lewis 31 Aug 1875 1875/003744
Pierpoint John Thomas George Harriet Lewis 31 Aug 1875 1875/003745
Marriage of Samuel (no guarantee without certificate)
Pierpoint Samuel Hooton Emma 29 Dec 1881 1881/001125
Children of Samuel to 1889
Pierpoint Henry Joseph George Samuel Emma Hooton 12 Dec 1882 1882/006297
Died 19 May 1883.
Pierppint Samuel James Samuel Emma Hooton 25 Jun 1884 1884/ 007714
Pierpoint Maud Adeline Samuel Emma Hooton 30 May 1886 1886/009083
There are also marriages of a James and John in 1880s - wonder if cousin James travelled with the family?
One of the children of this James is Harriet Lewis Pierpoint - seems this would HAVE to be a relative.
Couple of deaths as well
Hariott Pierpoint Parents Joseph Lewis Mary Low 29 May 1907 1907/003560
Samuel Pierpoint parents George Pierpoint Harriet Lewis 22 Apr 1912 1912/004405
They should all be online
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m with others that may also be family members
There are more marriages before 1914 which may also be your folks. Would be worth checking all the Pierpoints online & putting them into family groups.
Marriage of a Joseph 22 Dec 1903 & Harriet 8 Jul 1891 - I don't see the twins?
You may find some grandsons of George and Harriet serving in WW1 & the next generation in WWII
www.naa.gov.au - record search - search as a guest
Trish
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Hi
Trish I feel embarrassed :-[ :-[ - answering the request for info and thinking because tofgem had quoted the online qld bdm's he/she would have found all that wonderful info. You have done that well.
I note that Louis George PIERPOINT is noted as female and a nurse on the 1930 Electoral Rolls living at Boggabri, NSW. Probably named after her mother's maiden name LOUIS/LEWIS and her dad George.
I have found an email address on rootsweb archives of someone who was looking for anyone researching the Stanthorpe PIERPOINT family - she has a letter that may be of interest to them - and have pm'd the message and whitepages url in case the email address is no longer valid.
I have also looked for the Stanthorpe Cemetery Burial index but can't find any reference to anything online.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando
Tofgem may have found more & not mentioned same, I like to check the CDs cause it is easier to find the spelling mistakes (I often miss folks) & they give actual dates. I hadn't thought that Louis was a female - that was a good find. White pages seems a good possibility.
I also checked the online immigration to look for other family members but no find. Might be in the lists at the archives. I may be off there in a couple of weeks & Ruskie goes there too, so we may be able to check. I think your archives search found a will - that could be very useful if this family - and it should be available
Trish
Added:
Looking at the Ryerson - one notice of interest
Amy Margaret Pierpoint aged 85, died at Stanthorpe hospital - in SMH 11 Feb 1980
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
It may be her married name, and she may have NSW connections, but could be the family. the notice may be useful
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Hi Trish and Cando
Thanks for all your help. I need to digest your research and try to sort out your findings. All help is gratefully accepted. I have learned from experience that nothing should ever be discarded. Another Pierpoint emigrated to Queensland in 1911 (Samuel Pierpoint) - he was my great uncle and a descendant of George Pierpoint.
Many thanks.
Tofgem
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Hello Toffgem,
Bit of sidetrack info for you to consider.
Albert Pierrepoint 1905-1992 was famously, the most prolific official Hangman of all time, here in England, having seen off about 433 male miscreants and 17 women.
He was closely followed by Thomas Pierrepoint, 1870-1954 with a few less, between 300 and 400. The numbers are not exact as Thomas was Hangman for Eire and also the US Army in the UK during WW2, as well as England.
As your name spelling is most probably the English simplification of the original French name you are probably of the same ancestry . I believe the Pierrepoints were settled mainly in the Yorkshire area.
Good Luck Rog.
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Hi Tofgem
I was at the archives with Ruskie on Tuesday - I ran out of time but she checked the immigration for your Pierpoints & this is what she found - sounds like a not too easy trip
It was a very strange film - looked like a list by the agent rather than immigrants on an individual ship. This is what it said:
The following are Navvies [I was unable to read the first letter of this word so made an educated guess] sent out on the Light of the Age selected by the agency of Mr Percival of Liverpool for the Railway Works.
1866
Pierpoint G and fam
Ship: Light of the Age
1865 Dec
agent: Percival
place: Liverpool
Free passengers: VERY difficult to read but looks like 3 ½ [wondering if this means three adults and one child – remembering that what what considered an adult then is considered a child today]
There was some additional information at the beginning of the film:
A letter dated 4 Apr ’66 by the inspector of immigrants on the ship “light of the Age”.
Ship left Glasgow 9th December 1865
arrived Brisbane 26th [sorry unable to read the month] at 5pm
206 souls, including five cabin passengers
There was little sickness on the voyage except 4 cases of scarletina and 1 of measles, 3 births, 10 deaths all under 2 years of age.
Poop cabin – married couples, light and airy, clean and well arranged.
In between decks, one side for the remaining married couples, one side for young men, This part of the ship was ill arranged, dark and ill ventilated.
Some bunks were wet for most of the voyage from leakage from the galley and single female’s water closet. The surgeon Supt complained to the captain but no attention was paid. The main deck was extremely dirty.
Water closets for men – 4 on each side – no doors and ‘disgusting looking. Surgeon Supt complained to captain but nothing was done.
2 water closets for single females were decent.
2 galleys – one for cabin crew, one for passengers (too small) – cooking apparatus was heated by the steam of the condenser boiler.
Complaints:
Wet bunks during the greater part of the voyage
Lack of seats
3 people were put aboard without proper clothing or bedding which had been promised them. This agent behaved in a most unbecoming manner.
The captain was enebriated and frequently used improper language
Numerous robberies and petty thefts
The immigrants were unruly in their conduct and dirty in their habits
Credit to the Surgeon Supt for the few deaths and immunity to disease – most remarkable considering that measles and scarlet fever existed.
Trish & Ruskie
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Hi everyone,
Just putting my name down to receive notification of replies ...
Tofgem, I wasn't sure if the above immigrants were your family, but it is such a rare name and the dates match well, that it surely must be them.
Disappointingly, there were no other details or names of family members. If my interpretation of 3 1/2 (three and a half) passengers is correct, I wonder who they were?
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Hi Trish and Ruskie
Many thanks. This is definitely the family. It makes interesting reading and tells me why the family emigrated to Australia. They left Greenoch on the ship Light of the Age on 9-12-1865 and arrived Queensland 16-3-1866. I have not been able to confirm how many children they had when they left. There were definately three; Samuel, John and Mary. I have found references to at least six others (four of which were definately born in Queensland), but my research is ongoing. Unfortunately I live too far away from the Cheshire Record Office to check the births of children in the UK, but perhaps I will manage to do this at some time.
Again, many thanks. I am amazed how much information you have all managed to find for me.
Tofgem
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Tofgem,
Do you know what kind of life they made for themselves in Queensland? I hope they were happy after that awful trip. But perhaps they may have been on the poop deck ....
I believe Stanthorpe is a lovely place (tho I've never been) and somewhat milder in climate than the more humid coastal and arid inland areas. They grow apples there which gives an indication of the climate.
Have you tried any other methods to find out if the couple had any more children? You could post a query on the Cheshire board - I believe there are some rootschatters who visit the Cheshire RO occassionally.
PS. I am not confident in my interpretation of passengers 3 1/2 - I originally thought it was 5 1/2 but checked the number against others on the film decided on three .... but unsure ...
Tofgem, I just googled Pierpoint and Stanthorpe and got loads of hits - there is a Pierpoint Street there, many hits of Pierpoint motors etc .... Worth a look if you haven't already done so.
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Ruskie
I have also googled Stanthorpe and have contacted the local Family History Society (I emailed Pierpoint Motors, but received no response). There are 300 photos of Stanthorpe on the Queensland photo archive, some of which are of the family. They appear to have been quite successful. There is a book entitled 'They came to a Plateau' which is a history of the settlement of Stanthorpe which apparently has references to the Pierpoint family. Although out of print I have ordered a secondhand copy of the book which I await with interest.
I am beginning to build up a picture of the family and am fascinated by my results.
Again thanks for your help.
Tofgem
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Thanks Tofgem,
It's great to hear the success stories - and the book sounds fascinating. You've done well to find a copy. Hope you enjoy it!
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It occurs to me - the 3 1/2 passengers may have been 2 adults and 3 children - which would fit with the 3 arriving with the family as known by Tofgem
I forgot to mention - there was also a will at the archives for Samuel Pierpont died 1912 - would you be interested in the details of this? Sorry I didn't have time to check it
Trish
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Now that's a thought Trish .... makes sense too.
As I said, I did look at other passengers to try to decipher the numbers and it was the passengers with "+fam" which had these numbers that looked like fractions. I should ask next time I go to the Archives.
If Tofgem is interested in the will I'm happy to check it (unless you're heading back that way Trish?)
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Trish and Ruskie
Thanks for your thoughts.
Samuel Pierpoint was one of the sons of George Pierpoint who emigrated from England. He died in 1912 so the will must be for the same person. Yes, I would be interested in it if you have the time and opportunity to have a look.
Again, thanks for your interest and help.
Tofgem
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Tofgem,
I will check that will on my next visit to the Archives in a week or two.
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Thanks
Tofgem
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Hi tofgem,
Sorry for keeping you waiting.
Samuel Pierpoint
S 286/1912
film Z1759
The will of Samuel Pierpoint late of Stanthorpe, storekeeper:
-died at Quarry Range Toowoomba on 22 April 1912
-he made his will on 15 July 1911
-Emma Pierpoint - petitioner /sole executrix
-left to son Stanley William Pierpoint 1,000 shares in Pierpoint & Sons Ltd
-left all real and personal estate to wife
-daur Maud Adeline Patrick (this must be her married name)
Death Certificate:
Deaths in the district of Toowoomba
-Samuel Pierpoint, "merchant"
-died 22 April 1912 at The Quarry Range Toowoomba
-age 54 years
-died from fracture of skull (?pressed) [couldn't read word] left side extending to base haemorrage and shock - accidental fall over a bank at quarry
-medical attendant Reginald Freskney (?) - 23 April (post mortem)
-Ma...?terial Inquiry held at Toowoomba on the 17th day of May 1813 before W H...ist PM
- father of Samuel = George Pierpoint
-mother = Harriet Lewis
-certified in writing by SJ Pierpoint, son, Maryland St Stanthorpe and by W Harris, magistrate holding inquiry (Toowoomba).
- buried 25 April 1912, Stanthorpe Ceme, C of E
- married Stanthorpe Qld at age 30 years to Emma Horton
-issue: Samuel James age 27, Maud Adeline age 25, Stanley William age 19, Ethel May age 11, deceased 2 males.
Will inventory:
livestock 1 horse, 3 steer 26 - 10 - 0
farming implements 32 - 18 - 0
furniture 81 - 18 - 6
watch and chain 5 - 0 - 0
rents 28 - 1 - 0
money in hand 2 - 4 - 6
money in account 60 - 17 - 1
mortgage 50 - 0 - 0
interest therein 1 - 3 - 2
shares in companies 5090 - 0 - 0
stores 2 - 0 - 0
total £5380 - 12 - 3
Hope that lot helps!
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Hi Ruskie
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
The information is both enthralling and useful. I have always been a sucker for detail that perhaps other people would not be interested in.
I have certainly been able to build up a picture of Stanthorpe in the pioneer days and Samuel Pierpoint is actually cited as being a pioneer.
Again thank you for your time and effort. It is very much appreciated.
Tofgem
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You're most welcome Tofgem. Poor Samuel :(
Let me know if you need any more lookups at the Archives. Happy to help.
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Cando
Three months later and after several letters and emails I have managed to trace the lady with the Pierpoint letter and she has emailed it to me. Many thanks for finding the original reference.
Tofgem
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Oh that is good news.
Cando
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Hi everyone
I've been busy researching George and Harriet and I thought you might like to see a photo of them.
To Trish and Ruskie - In addition to George and Harriet there were three children on the ship (each child counted as a half). There was a baby born just before they sailed, but it is not known whether he embarked with them and died on board (10 infants died during the voyage) or whether he died before they sailed (there is no death record in the UK and no record of the child in Australia).
Tofgem
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Hi tofgem. I had to reread this old post to refresh my memory. Oddly enough only a few days ago I was thinking about recount of that dreadful journey (but I couldn't remember who I did the lookup for :-[). It was very enlightening.
It's wonderful to see a photograph of George and Harriet and I'm glad to see that all your research is falling into place.
PS Unfortunately Trish hasn't been a member of rootschat for some time. I have not been in touch with her and I don't know if she ever pops back as a guest. She is missed.
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Hi Ruskie
I found a record of the journey in a contemporary newspaper and although the captain was the subject of an inquiry by the Central Immigration Board he was exonerated. However, he did manage to sink the ship in January 1868 as a result of being drunk and the ship broke up on the rocks. He was held responsible for the loss of the ship.
The report of George and Harriet's voyage certainly provided a stimulus and as a result of the clues held within it I have managed to trace many of George and Harriet's footsteps through to their deaths, together with the lives of their children. George worked on the Queensland railway and the family are recognised as pioneers in Stanthorpe.
Samuel's will which you found also gives many clues. I have so much material that it will take a long time to sort it out, but it certainly makes a good read and I am learning a lot about the settlement of Queensland.
Again, thank you for your help. Without the stimulii provided by you and Trish I would know nothing about the family except that they emigrated to Australia in 1865.
Tofgem
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Thanks tofgem. If you ever need anything else looked up let me know.
One thing you may like to investigate .... I think there are lists of Queensland Rail Employees at the Archives. I have no idea of dates covered or what the records contain.
You may find something about these on the Qld State Archvies website.
Good luck with your research. :)
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Thanks for the offer Ruskie. It is very much appreciated.
I have already checked for employment records for George. However, he worked as a navvy for the English firm of Peto, Brassey and Betts (not directly for Queensland Railways), who were given the initial contract for the railway in Queensland, and unfortunately no records were kept for the navvies. There weren't even departure records kept for those workers who emigrated from the UK.
Tofgem
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You seem to have been very thorough and found just about all that is there to be found. ;)
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George Pierpoint is buried at Stanthorpe, Queensland.
Headstone
PIERPOINT George age 86
Died 26 Nov 1918
Service 27 Nov 1918
Location S/06/c11
Burial Reg No 1122
Remarks S.O. John Pierpoint, brn Sandbatch, Cheshire, England, H.O. Harriet Lewis
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I am interested in the branch Samuel Pierpoint m Emma Hooton.
Sharon Brennan
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Hi Sharon
I've only just found your post. I don't know why I didn't find it earlier. It might have something to do with the fact that I was without a computer from May to August. My apologies for not responding before.
I am now trying to find a link between Emma Hooton, wife of Samuel Pierpoint and Ellen Hooton, wife of John Thomas Hoult. Can you offer any suggestions?
Tofgem
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Hi
Emma and Ellen were sisters, daughters of Joseph Hooton and his wife Rebecca Bettis (Bellis).
Emma was born 19 July 1860 at Timbarra, McLeod's Creek, NSW
Ellen was born 27 December 1866 same place.
I am descended from their elder sister Sarah Jane who was born on the Wilson Kennedy on 26 November 1852.
Feel free to contact me at sharon(dot)brennanatgmail.com if you wish.
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Thanks Sharon.
You have confirmed what I was hoping for.
Tofgem
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Hi Sharon,
I was wondering if you found any further information on George Pierpoint & his family, I'm researching the family, and any information is valuable,
Thanks
Loraine.
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Hi all
I'm doing research on Australia's colonial blacksmiths to include in a book (hopefully) and wonder if tofgem has any information on Samuel Pierpoint's worklife.
Also check out the Trove website - newspapers -
The Hobart Town Courier Fri 5 Apr 1839 - G Pierpoint departed Hobart for Port Phillip on Schooner Adelaide (don't know if this is your George)
The Bacchus Marsh Express Sat 6 Aug 1879 - Ploughing match - George Pierpoint
The Bacchus Marsh Express Sat 25 Jul 1874 - George Pierpoint boundry rider for Mr Inglis, resides Black Station, Near Ingliston, Ballan, shot man found in his hut.
The Bacchus Marsh Express Sat 13 Mar 1869 - George Pierpoint residing East Ballan (Victoria)
The Queenslander Sat 4 Mar 1893 - Stanthorpe show - Mr S Pierpoint of the Globe Forge
Warwick Argus Tue 5 Feb 1895 - Samuel gave evidence at embezzlement case
Warwick Argus Fri 25 Dec 1896 - George Pierpoints parrot in cage devoured by black snake
The Brisbane Courier Tues 27 Mar 1900 - S Pierpoint contributed to Patriotic fund 2s 6d
The Tenterfield Intercolonial Courier & Fairfield & Wallangarra Advocate Tue 23 Occt 1900 - Mr J Ferguson of Central Tin Palace leaving district and Mr Pierpoint of Stanthorpe is taking over business
Warwick Examiner and Times Sat 27 Apr 1912 Personal column, Report on Samuels accident and death
The Brisbane Courier Mon 23 June 1913 - re poperty.
Warwick Examiner & TImes Mon 2 Dec 1918 - Re obit George Pierpoint
Regards
Shirley
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Sadly, interest in this topic seems to have dropped off a little over the years. You have found some very interesting snippets there though Shirley. I'm not sure that Trove was even online back in 2008 when this thread was started. :) My favourite is the Warwick Argus, Christmas day 1886. ;D
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Hi Ruskie
I guess when people find what they are after they rarely think to go back over old posts to see if there is any up to date information.
I wish I could afford to take a subscription to the English newspapers - what stories there would be in them.
Shirley
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Shirley, you can get free access to some newspapers via libraries. I don't know whereabouts in the world you are, but I live in Australia and was able to join Lancashire Libraries and can access their digital library:
http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/web/?siteid=6328&pageid=37311#anchor192551
I did join several years ago so am unsure whether they still accept members from other countries, but it would be worth trying. I joined online and don't recall having any problems doing so - they email you a library number which you enter to get access to the newspapers.
Regarding old posts - people should still get notification that there has been a reply to their post no matter how old or how resolved it is. You often see new members joining to make contact with distant cousins as they have found mentions of their ancestors on a rootschat thread. Happens regularly. :)
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Hi Ruskie
I am aware that I can access papers at libraries - I am in Australia, our local library only allows one hour access per day - doesn't give much time for in depth research - so I would have to travel a couple of hours to the Victorian Library - I suppose I should renew my membership here and see if they have digital access.
I will try some of the overseas libraries to see if I can join.
Thanks
Shirley
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Sorry I didn't get any notification about new posts on this thread. I've only just found this, purely by chance. I have not looked at George and Harriet for a while (a couple of years). I spent a lot of time sorting out George and Harriet's life in the UK and their journey to Australia and through Australia to Stanthorpe. I then found lots of articles on Trove and its predecessor site and filed them ready to sort. However, I have been spending my time since then looking at other branches of my family.
I must check out the Warwick Argus Christmas Day 1886 Ruskie.
Hi Shirley. Unfortunately I know nothing about Samuel Pierpoint's blacksmith's shop, although I do have a picture. There is a copy on the link below:
http://www.pfbaq.org.au/history.html (http://www.pfbaq.org.au/history.html)
You could try Stanthorpe museum. They have been helpful to me.
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Thanks for getting back to me. I've seen the picture and been through trove. I suspect that if you've been in contact with the museum you would have all they have on the blacksmith shop.
Sadly, that's the story for much of the research I've done thus far - a minor mention on blacksmiths in the town but not much else.
Shirley
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I've just been reading this with interest about George Pierpoint.Online Trees have him marrying in England to a Harriet Lewis in 1854.They also have the couple having at least two children born in England.They have Samuel born in Betchton Cheshire in 1859 and James born in 1860 in Betchton Cheshire in 1860.They have George''s wife Harriet Lewis born in Elton Cheshire in 1831 and dying in Queensland in 1907.
Of course the name Pierpoint is of interest to me as from the online Trees it appears that George's brother James born in Sandbach in 1831 is the one who married my relative Ann Cartlidge at Stoke-on-Trent Staffordshire in 1853.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Hi Ruskie
I am aware that I can access papers at libraries - I am in Australia, our local library only allows one hour access per day - doesn't give much time for in depth research - so I would have to travel a couple of hours to the Victorian Library - I suppose I should renew my membership here and see if they have digital access.
I will try some of the overseas libraries to see if I can join.
Thanks
Shirley
Shirley I initially had access to the 19thC British Newspapers via another forum. The current password to access the Gale collection used to spread like a virus ;) I then accessed the papers at home from the NLA but I now access it at home from the State Library of Victoria. Renew your membership :) You can now join online. When my card expired recently I renewed it with a quick phone call so I could access the site immediately....was in the middle of research :).
http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/explore/research-tools/access-eresources-home
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks Cando
I'll check to see if my card is still valid - if not time to renew.
Shirley
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Hi - have just found this thread. It goes away back.
I am interested in the shipping records for the Light of the Age that arrived in 1866.
So it is available at the QSA?? It doesn't appear to have ever been indexed.
My ancestor Charles McKenna I believe was on the boat along with his sister, her husband and son - Ellen and Matthew Carroll (pioneers of the Nambour region).
my ancestor also went to Stanthorpe,
kind regards,
Karen.