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Title: Help with name of Abode, please - COMPLETED with thanks
Post by: blodwen on Monday 21 January 08 15:48 GMT (UK)
Hallo,
could SKS please try to decipher the name of this house/farm.

Thanks

Viv
Title: Re: Help with name of Abode, please
Post by: Gadget on Monday 21 January 08 15:58 GMT (UK)
Hi Viv

It looks like:

Henyaguberdderyn or Henyaguberddey?

Hen is old and aderyn is bird but the bit in the middle seems odd  :-\

Could you give the full census ref so that I could have a look, please?

Gadget  :)
Title: Re: Help with name of Abode, please
Post by: blodwen on Monday 21 January 08 16:02 GMT (UK)
Sure Gadget,

1891 Wales(of course)  Census
RG12,4652,30 11

John Roberts b. 1816 Llanengan
Jane Roberts b. 1827
William Roberts b. 1856

Thanks

Viv
Title: Re: Help with name of Abode, please
Post by: Gadget on Monday 21 January 08 16:16 GMT (UK)
The description puts it in the Cilan area. I'm checking maps now to see if i can see any of the others on the page.

Gadget  :)

Title: Re: Help with name of Abode, please
Post by: Gadget on Monday 21 January 08 16:22 GMT (UK)
There's a farm now called Ysgubor Hen on the current OS map

Grid Centre: SH 304 250

Just north of Mynydd Cilan

Henysgubor - Ysgubor Hen seems plausible  :)

Gadget

Title: Re: Help with name of Abode, please
Post by: blodwen on Monday 21 January 08 16:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Gaget,

you have just solved the problem - the enumerator obviously couldn't understand what they were saying -

Could it be Ysgubor ddegwm  or Henyagu ddegwm?


Viv
Title: Re: Help with name of Abode, please
Post by: Gadget on Monday 21 January 08 16:30 GMT (UK)
Yer welcome, Viv  :)

Last time you had to ask your mother  ;)

Gadget
Title: Re: Help with name of Abode, please
Post by: blodwen on Monday 21 January 08 16:31 GMT (UK)
Your right there, Gadget,

Won't need to bother her this time  ;D

Viv
Title: Re: Help with name of Abode, please
Post by: hanteu on Monday 21 January 08 19:04 GMT (UK)
It's fairly definately Hen ysgubor ddegwm. Degwm is the Welsh word for Tithe - I think this was a payment due to the church, originally paid in grain?
Ysgubor Ddegwm is Tithebarn, Hen ysguborddegwm is Old Tithebarn.

Iwan
Title: Re: Help with name of Abode, please
Post by: blodwen on Tuesday 22 January 08 11:01 GMT (UK)
Iwan,

thanks a bunch for the translation - that has solved that problem. 

Viv