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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: littleclaire on Saturday 19 January 08 18:12 GMT (UK)
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I have just discovered that my gggg Grandfather Alexander Forsyth (1801 Durham- possibly Chester le Street but not entirely sure) probably married Agnus Darling (1803 Lumsdon Berwickshire). They were married some time before 1832 (the first child I know is theirs).
Does anyone have any information on marriages to double check this? Or on Alexander's birth? (his mother is Mary)
Thanks
Claire
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Somewhat confused here since you state Alexander Forsyth in the Subject and then in the text refer to Robert Forsyth.
Found a family in Chester le Street on 1841 Census with Head as Alexander Forsyth so assuming this is them. You state he was born 1801 Durham - possibly Chester le Street - mother Mary (who is with family on the Census) but according to the census both Alexander and his mother Mary were NOT born in Durham and thought I ought to point this out.
Annette
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see this thread also:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,279984.0.html
Gadget
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Sorry Annette - had changed the Title but not the name....
Thanks for pointing that out about the birth place- I have just looked back through my census information and his birth place is not given in 1861, obviously I misread the 1841 census.
I do not have the census for 1851 either I have realised, so will look for it now, but if anyone fancies looking too then that would be great.
Census ref for 1861 is RG9/3763
I also don't have Alexander's death, but it looks like he died between 1861 and 1871 as Agnus lives with daughter Agnus in 1871 and is widowed.
Thanks - sorry for being so confusing! :-[
Claire
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Hi
I am new to this site and I sent a post yesterday with regard to the Darling and Forsyth connection. After I did this I realised that I should have replied to your post instead of doing a new one (at least I hope this is what I should do because it was a long time ago when you made this enquiry). :-[
My ggg grandfather was Henry Forsyth b: 1831/33 Berwick upon Tweed, Northumberland. His parents were Alexander Forsyth b: 1801 Norham, Berwick upon Tweed, Northumberland and he married Agnes.
My family have always said that we were related to Grace Horsley Darling of the Forfarshire Steamer rescue and that Agnes was her sister. Grace Darling doesn't have a sister called Agnes, but I wondered if she was indeed the Darling connection.
Seeing your post has given me new hope. How sure are you that she was Agnes Darling?
Yours hopefully
Moderator Comment: Your other post is now locked to avoid confusion.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=476867.0
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Welcome to Rootschat Mofamily :)
I cant find them in 1851 either.
The easiest way to prove this is to purchase the Birth Cert of Alexander born c 1840.
Alexander FORSYTH, Sept 1839, Chester le Street, 24 25
It will provide his Mothers Maiden Name.
Trish :)
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It is very difficult as Agnes keeps changing her POB;
1871 Census, Alnwick, Northumberland RG10/4994/7/8
Poor Daughter Agnes is listed as an Idiot :(
If this is her in 1881 another place;
1881 Scotland, RG11/4979/126/28
Death Reg;
Agnes FORSYTH, March 1886, Chester le Street, 10a 289, Age 84
Trish :)
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Thanks Trish
I know; I wasn't sure if it was the same Agnes Forsyth, but as they both had a daughter called Agnes born in 1844 I suppose it must be her. Poor Agnes jnr, fancy being called an idiot :( .
Obtaining the birth certificate was my next step, but just wanted to see what littleclaire had to say since she seemed sure Agnes was a Darling as she is related to her too.
Here's hoping I hear from her as well.
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Hi Mofamily
Welcome to roots......
My GGG Grandfather was Robert Forsyth b 1842 Lumley who married Elizabeth Beaney (your Henry's brother). I have his marriage cert which confirms his father as Alexander. The next cert I was going to order as I plough through my tree verifying the info is his birth, which should verify Agnus' surname.
I got the Darling name from a contact on Genes Reunited I think. She was totally convinced this was right but couldn't tell me why, I think it was a family story too, although it was a long time ago when I was in contact.
I have info on Robert's descendants and I have your Henry married to an Eleanor. Is that right?
How did you get Alexander's birthplace as Norham? I haven't been able to find his birth place on any census records. Perhaps we might be able to help each other try and make sense of the info? I seem to remember when I was looking at this info the first time Alexander and Agnus drove me slightly mad. Have you managed to find them on the 1851? I looked everywhere........
thanks
Claire :-)
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I've just found them on the 1851. Tried another website.......... came up straight away. Now I know where you got Norham from!!
Thanks
Claire
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Hi
Where Where! I couldn't find them on the 1851 Census. I came up with Norham as a guess as there was a birth for an Alexander Forsyth, Norham, Durham. I didn't think Norham was Durham so googled it and found it was Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland, but I haven't got any information for 1851 census. Please share.
Fact - My g g grandmother was Agnes Bullen (nee Forsyth) b: 1855 Washington married to George Bullen b: 1853 Stow Bedon, Norfolk (apparently related to Ann Boleyn, but that's another post).
Fiction - the family story was that Agnes Bullen's mother Agnes was Grace Horsley Darling's sister. I don't think Grace Darling had a sister called Agnes and looking on the census discovered her mother was Eleanor (? Hayes) and her father Henry Forsyth. (Grace didn't have a sister called Eleanor anyway).
:-[ Can't fit anything else on this reply will do a second.
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back again,
so I assumed that this Agnes b ? 1803 Lumsden, Berwickshire was possibly a Darling. Not only that but my grandmother's brother was called Alexander Forsyth for his Christian names. It just all made sense.
My mother (the Forsyth's were my father's family but he passed away two years ago) says that in the Grace Darling museum in Bamburgh there is mention of the Forsyths, but I don't see any relation to Grace Darling at all. Can you?
Mofamily
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Hello
I found them in Oxclose, Washington in 1851 on Find my past - had previously looked on ancestry for hours and found nothing.
Has Alexander Forsyth as a Colliery Labourer 49 born Norham, Durham
Agnes is born Merrington?, Northumberland
Henry, William, Alexander, Robert and Agnes are all there. It says Henry and William were born in Merrington aswell........
If you look on Genuki http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Norham/ it says that Norham was at one time a detached portion of the County of Durham. I don't know what that means, but I guess Durham once had bits and pieces everywhere?
I have ordered Robert's birth cert so hopefully will be able to solve the mystery of Agnus' maiden name.
I think we are definitely related though so that's nice :)
Claire
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Hi
Thanks, that's excellent. :)
Please keep in touch with any more news and if I find anything more you will be the first to know.
I do have Robert married to Elizabeth Beaney on my tree, but I also have Alexander married to a Mary Beany is this right and were they related?
I wonder where Merrington is? ???
I also note from your previous posts that you have Williamsons in your family. Me too.
They are the Silksworth/Tunstall/Ryhope Williamsons. Any connection?
My direct line is William Williamson b: 1836, Ralph Williamson b: 1864, Henry Childs Williamson b: 1902
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Hello
I got the birth cert yesterday and it confirms Agnus Forsyth's maiden name as Darling. At the time of Robert's birth the lived in Lumley Park, White House.
Elizabeth and Mary Beaney were sisters.
My Williamson's originate from Low Fell, Gateshead. They ended up in Shiney Row........
So.... the Darling search goes on! I'm off to look for her now.
Claire
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If you look on Genuki http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Norham/ it says that Norham was at one time a detached portion of the County of Durham. I don't know what that means, but I guess Durham once had bits and pieces everywhere?
May I intrude and explain that until the mid-1840's there were three areas of what is now Northumberland which were under the jurisdiction of County Durham?
They were called 'Islandshire' (around Tweedmouth), 'Bedlingtonshire' and 'Norhamshire'. They formed 'islands' of County Durham within Northumberland.
For the purposes of the 1841 census and Civil Registration they were part of County Durham.
Someone born and living in these areas in 1841 would be shown as born 'in county', i.e. in County Durham. Someone living there but born elsewhere would be shown as 'not born in county' i.e. not born in County Durham.
Therefore one needs to be careful in interpreting the 1841 census data for these areas.
They were integrated in Northumberland in 1844.
Hope this helps.
Jennifer
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Thanks Jennifer that's really useful information.
Thank you for your help :)
Claire
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Hello
I got the birth cert yesterday and it confirms Agnus Forsyth's maiden name as Darling. At the time of Robert's birth the lived in Lumley Park, White House.
Elizabeth and Mary Beaney were sisters.
My Williamson's originate from Low Fell, Gateshead. They ended up in Shiney Row........
So.... the Darling search goes on! I'm off to look for her now.
Claire
That's fantastic news. I just knew it.
I thought Mary and Elizabeth Beaney must be sisters.
On one of the census entries I came across it says that Alexander was born Lumley Park, White House. I wonder what that is?
You wouldn't read about it :o - my Williamson family ended up in Shiney Row too. They originally start on my family tree with Ralph and his brothers Thomas and Jacob about 1803 born in Jarrow and Murton Row. Working in West Holywell Colliery and their children in Earsden eventually moving to Ryhope, Tunstall/Silksworth and finally Shiney Row.
How far does your Williamson tree go back and anyone I know.
It would be very odd to have two family connections.
Keep in touch
Mo