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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Peachface on Monday 14 January 08 04:55 GMT (UK)
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I would very much appreciate a look up of the 1841 census at Bethnal Green for the Deaton family. I am interested in a Joseph Deaton, who states in his will that he is Joseph Deaton the younger, and his brother is a James. The name varies in spelling, i.e. Deighton.
Joseph would have been born around 1832.
Thank you for your time.
Peachface
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Hi,
Have spent the last hour going through all the variations of the surname that I could think of (plus a lot I didn't think of ie. doing a soundex).
I can find no one that 'fits the criteria' in the London/Middlesex area - so either they are not there, or more likely mistranscribed.
Do you have any other family member names that we could possibly look for?
Unfortunately there are just too many Joseph / James to go through not using surnames.
Sorry I didn't find them
Cougar
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Hi Cougar,
So sorry that you had to spend an hour looking for Joseph Deaton without success.
The only other brother that I can find was a William, another common name.
I couldn't find Joseph in the 1881 census either, but he does appear in the 1901 census. I've just thought, he married his second wife in 1881, the March quarter so maybe they were holidaying somewhere, he wasn't short of a bob or two. My sister-in-law had no luck when she went to Somerset House many many years ago. We wonder if the records were destroyed in the War, or as you say the name was mistranscribed.
The only other bit of information was that Joseph Deaton born 1832 might have been something to do with the Bryant Box Manufacturers. He certainly wasn't poor like the rest of the relatives.
Thank you so much again for your time.
Peachface
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Hi Peachface
No problems - gives me something to do.
I did a 'google' of Bryant Box Manufacturers but only came up with Bryant & May - the match people.
Is this the same as you are talking about?
If so, the national archives hold info about the company who began production in 1861 and ceased in 1992 under their Hackney archives section.
Cheers, Cougar
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Hi Cougar,
I also did a Google search on the Bryant and May Box Manufacturer, but my husband has just told me that he thinks that Joseph Deaton sold his business of box manufacturing to them, but I don't know where to look for that information.
Terrible terrible conditions in those days!
Peachface
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look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryant_and_May
this may help?
Cougar
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If all else fails write to the archivist and he/she should be able to let you know if there is any connection between your Joseph Deaton & the Bryant & May manufacturers.
Tower Hamlets Council website.
http://www.eastendlife.com/data/discover/index.cfm
Cougar
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Thanks Cougar,
I'll have a closer look tomorrow, it is dinner time over here in Aussie, so better go and prepare it.
Peachface
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Hi Peach
Do you have a father's name and occupation from one of the marriage certs? Presumably Joseph from the will but just making sure...
Also, do you have the ref for them in 1851?
thanks
dilly
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Hi dillybert,
Sorry, no to all three questions. All I can ascertain about Joseph Deaton born in 1832 was he had three wives, Ann Morris, the mother of all his five children, Mary Ann Prince, and lastly Elizabeth Massey.
Looking at the IGI records I'm guessing that his father was born in 1796, but cannot find a wife for him.
Interestingly, I can find his son Joseph in the censuses, and his brothers, James and William, but Joseph refuses to be found.
Thanks.
Peachface
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Hi Cougar,
I've just scored a hit, I've found Joseph Deaton in the 1881 census living with four of his children, all tally up with birthdates. He is to be found under DEACON, so sorry to be such an ongoing pain, but can you please look up Joseph Deacon in the 1841 census.
I've read all the Bryant & May literature with great interest.
In the 1881 census Joseph is a Skillet Cutter and on his daughter's marriage certificate he is a Bin Wicker, anyone know what these were please?
Also Joseph Deacon married a Jane Ann Morriss in 1854 at Bethnal Green, on Elizabeth Deaton's birth certificate she is an Ann Morris, but as one of the daughters is also called Jane Ann, I think it is the correct family.
Peachface
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Hi Peachface
Am I still looking for the one born c1832 - if so, there is only one Joseph DeaCon in Middlesex and not the right father.
Cougar
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Hi Peachface,
Me again.
Sending you pm - just hit paydirt on the 1861.
Cougar
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As for your occupations -
Old Occupations link -
http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/a.html
unfortunately neither of yours are on there.
bin wicker I would guess would be someone working the the wicker/rattan trade.
skillet cutter - now skillets in the 1800's were not only around then, but are still being used today. Reason - they were made from cast iron - so again, would guess that he had something to do with the metal trade - perhaps cutting out the 'original' shape for the skillet?
As for the 1861 find - glad to help.
Cheers, Cougar
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Hi
I dont know if this could help you in any way but I have a Jane Deighton born in Kilburn in 1837
although I have never seen a census for her name was often spelt wrong
Might Help?
Den
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Hi Den,
Thanks for the info on Jane Deighton, although Jane seemed to be a favourite name in my family line of Deaton's, they all seemed to be born around Bethnal Green, London. By now you will have seen that I found my Joseph Deaton under Deacon in the 1881 census and Cougar found him in the 1861 census back under Deaton.
Thanks,
Peachface
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Hi,
I don't know if you have them in 1871, you don't mention it so I thought I'd post this just in case :)
Transcribed as DENTON,
1871 RG10/485 f.80 p.9&10 Bethnal Green
No 6 Knottisford Street
Joseph DENTON Head 36 Box Maker Spitalfields Mid
Jane Ann Wife 34 Bethnal Green Midd
Joseph Son 13 Assistant " " "
Hannah Daur 15 " " " "
James Son 11 Scholar " "
Jane Daur 8 Scholar Bethnal Green Middx
Elizabeth Daur 6 " " " "
Anne Daur 4 " "
What do you think?
Daisy
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Hi Daisy,
Thank you for finding the 1871 census, no I did not have it and is seems to be the correct family as they were still living at No. 6 Knottisford Street, Bethnal Green in the 1881 census. They seemed to have gained a daughter, Hannah, wonder where she was in the 1861 census. I shall have to research her. The name surely changes, Deaton and all the different spellings, Deacon, Denton.
Thanks again for your thoughtfulness in passing on the 1871 census.
Peachface